10/03/2014 Newsnight


With Jeremy Paxman. The postcode lottery of tackling domestic violence, Ukraine, childbirth in Uganda, the Saudi King's ex-wife and how can an aeroplane just disappear?

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With a victim of domestic violence, what are the chances of your


attacker ending up in court. The truth is, it depends where you live.


When I didn't do anything about it, it gave him a green light to come


back the following weekend and the next weekend. The crime prevention


minister faces the shadow Home Secretary? In an age when they say


we are all under surveillance, how can an enormous airliner with 200


people on board simply vanish. The ex-wife of the king of Saudi Arabia,


tells us her daughters are being kept prisoner in the gulf.


To be attacked is one thing, to be attacked within your home is


another. To be attacked, often repeatedly in your own home, by


someone with whom you have been in an intimate relationship is a


special class of crime. The police forces of England and Wales say they


have been making a conscientious effort to improve wait they deal


with these cases, yet some seem to be trying harder than others. It


wasn't home to me. It wasn't a home, to me it was a prison. It was a


place I was being kept, I was being assaulted. Home should be where the


heart is, not the hurt. But for too many women and some men violence


behind closed doors is the norm. Claire Baker was terroristised by


her partner, then she says the police let her down. I locked myself


in the bathroom and called the police and waited for them to turn


up. I was staying in the bathroom and screaming, just come, just


somebody help me. Because he was so bad to me I always had it in my mind


that he was going to go too far and he perhaps was going to kill me. How


did the police help you or not? It was just luck of the draw on the


day. If an officer turned up who knew anything about domestic


violence they were really good to me. Some of the officers were


absolutely brilliant to me. And then other officers they just treated it


really as it was nothing. In Warwickshire, nearby where eventual


conviction rights for domestic violence are high. Only a fraction


of reported incidents get to court in the first place. There are


significant differences, the darker colours where fewer cases are


referred to prosecutors. This is about so much more than


numbers. This is about what happens to women who are brave enough to


come forward when they have been hurt. And what happens next is all


too often dictated by where they live This isn't to do with the


profile of the case but the issue in that local area. Whether the Chief


Constable says it is important, whether all of the Sergeants that


they are responsible for. Whether it is the constables feeling it is


their responsibility to deliver access to justice to women. They


make a difference. How do police forces like Warwickshire, who refer


such a small portion of cases to prosecutors explain themselves. We


have strongly encouraged senior detectives, professional experienced


people, to really look at each individual case, work with the


officer investigating that case. As I said, arrive at the right outcome


for the victim. Doesn't that mean though that crimes are going


unpunished? Not at all. The thing is that a court appearance for a victim


is a painful and traumatic experience. We need to have a


realistic prospect that if we go to court that we are going to have that


criminal justice outcome and the perpetrator does receive justice.


What though can justify you referring 3% of domestic violence


cases and a force like Cheshire referring more than 30%? If a case


is right to take to court, and the CPS support that, we will do that. I


don't want give any impression that we are going soft on people who


commit such horrendous crimes. One insider told me resources at the CPS


are part of the problem. Every agency is suffering, they said, and


cuts mean they have to go after cases where there is a higher chance


of conviction, inevitably that means others get left by the way side. The


Association of Chief Police Officers admits there are variations. They


told us we have substantially improved with investment in


specialist officers... Claire has rebuilt her life now,


with the help of the local Women's Aid. Her ex-partner was eventually


convicted. Me believes she suffered longer than she had to. I felt like


he had come back time after time because when they didn't do anything


about it, it gave him a green light to come back the following weekend,


and the next weekend. With an uneven patchwork of police approaches


around the country, she may not be the only one. We speak to Norman


Baker the Home Office Minister shortly first I'm joined by Yvette


Cooper, the shadow Home Secretary. These figures are based on a lot of


work by the Labour Party. What do you conclude is the reason the


picture is so patchy. I think there is two problems, first is the wide


variation between forces, the second is that the picture has been getting


worse across the country. So you have got a drop in the level of


convictions and the level of referrals, in six out of seven


forces, as well as this wide variation. And I think there is just


not national standards in place for dealing with such a serious crime


and there needs to be. Were there national standards in place when you


were in office? I think we had done a lot of work to make improvements,


for example around introducing specialist domestic violence courts.


I don't think there were national standards in place, that is why this


is the next step we need to have those national standards in place.


We have been calling for them for several years now. As you know it


was almost impossible to get this sort of information when you were in


office, wasn't it? No, that's not true actually. If you look at


particularly the issues around referrals and convictions, those


were increasing as a result of a lot of hard work that was done between


the police, the CPS, and leadership by a Labour Government introducing


specialist prosecutors, introducing specialist teams and stronger


training. The big problem is it has gone backwards. The problems when


you were in office were more difficult? We have done it with


Freedom of Information requests, and identified this information exactly


because we think there is a serious problem. And the Government is not


doing enough. If you had this level of violence at football matches, and


there would be national outcry, there isn't because it takes place


behind the net curtains. This Government brought in publication of


the rape statistics wasn't it? No, in fact they haven't. The Government


hasn't produced a lot of this information. So look it is important


to have it, and we think you ought to provide more of this information


on a consistent basis because that would help improve standards across


the country. There is a real problem here, as your report said, that


people don't feel they are getting the support they need. Victims are


not getting the support they need in such a horrible crime and it is


getting worse. Since the election you have had an 11 pest increase %


increase in domestic violence cases being reported, and an 11% drop in


the number of convictions for domestic violence. You have


perpetrators of abuse getting away with it. Is it better that police


officers exercise their judgment? Of course police officers have to


exercise judgment every day of the week. But at the moment you are


seeing such wide variations, I think we need national standards in place


about support for victims, about the way in which the police need to


respond, and the Government so far refused to do that. We also think we


should have a national commissioner in place to deal with domestic and


sexual violence because there are similar problems around rape cases.


And you can give a guarantee, can you, that under a Labour Government


there would be no more of the pattern of the closure of Rape


Crisis centres that we saw when Labour was last in power? If you


think about all of the work that the Labour Government did. On both rape


and domestic violence, we had for example a 45% increase in rape


convictions, there was a lot of work that was very good, was it enough?


No of course it wasn't. Because you had serious crimes like this. And


Rape Crisis Centres closed on your woke didn't they? There was a lot of


support for victims, the independent advisers on domestic violence and


rape as well. You want to do more, and in fact the clock has been


turning back instead of going further. You can give that


guarantee? You know I'm not going to set out funding for things in the


next parliament at this stage. At this stage. It is a test of your


commitment? We have said our commitment is to have national


standards for domestic violence, sexual violence, dealing with rape


cases and a national commissioner in place who could make sure that those


standards are enforced. Because I do think that you need national


leadership on this. And Teresa May hasn't done anything to spot this


deterioration in action against such serious crimes, particularly against


women. Although domestic violence includes women as well. Thank you


very much. Now Norman Baker who is the crime prevention minister is


with us. What is your explanation for the fact that picture are so


patchy? They are, and that is one of the reasons why the Home Secretary


and I have asked the Inspector of Constabulary to look at all 43


forces in England and Wales to examine why it is patchy and why the


domestic violence rates are different. That work is on going, it


is completely produced soon with a proper comment from HMRC. You were


unaware of it before today? Of course not. That is why the Home


Secretary and I commissioned the work. We recognised there was an


issue of disparity across the country. There are a number of


possible explanations, it is possible different forces are


looking at it in different ways, and crimes are being recorded under a


different heading, violence and not domestic violence. HMRC is looking


into that and referral process. When did you commission the research?


Last year. How many years did it take to realise there was a patchy


picture? That is not fair, there is a huge amount of work going on in


the Home Office since 2010. The Home Secretary has been very good on


these issues, I have to say. We have seen the roll out of Claire's Law,


the disclosure orders to protect women from potentially violent


partners and the protection orders to allow the sort of person in your


film to be able to stay in your house and the perpetrator be removed


from it rather than her leaving it. There is an action plan we published


an updated version on Saturdayed, for International Women's Day. Why


does it take the Labour Party or the House of Commons library to go


through a Freedom of Information exercise to find out much of the


information? It doesn't. It has done? No, it will be published hash


on this -- later on this month with a commentary per force, so people


can look at individual forces and see what they are doing, rather than


taking figures, I'm not blaming Yvette and her team. That is patchy,


we want a full proper analysis, and that will be coming forward. What do


you make then of the argument that police forces and the Crown


Prosecution Service are under pressure that wasn't previously


there before you took office? They are under pressure from ministers to


deal with domestic violence properly, they are under pressure


from us to deal with rape properly. That is a pressure I accept. It has


nothing to do with resources? If you are asking about resources, crime


has gone down 10% under this Government. We have seen violent


crime go down as well. That is measured not simply by police


recorded crime but also the official independent crime survey of England


and Wales. And the police have fewer crimes to deal with. There is the


digitalisation of the police force, so less paperwork to do. I don't


think resources is the issue here. The issue is perhaps a culture thing


in each force, which HMRC will get to the bottom of. You are in favour


of policemen exercising judgment aren't you? Of course. When they


exercise judgment you are going to get discrepancies? You will get


differences. But if the difference is significant it is perfectly


proper and right for the Government to ask the proper body n this case


the Inspector of Constabulary to look at the differences and find out


the reason. And whether or not some women and indeed men for that matter


are not being given the support they have been given by the system. The


rescuers searching for the traces of the malaisian airliner which


disappeared are still criss-crossing the sea south of Vietnam, it is now


three days since the aircraft disappeared. Three days since 239


hum beings vanished. In an age we are all subject to surveillance and


personal phones emit GPS signals, how can such a thing happen. It is


not unprecedented but it is highly unusual.


The hours pass and still no sign of Malaysian Airlines flight. Hours of


anger and uncertainty for families with nowhere to go. Couped up in a


Beijing hotel until they and we know what happened to the 239 passengers


and crew. At the moment there are just questions. In many cases what


sounds like heart-breakingly defiant optimisim. TRANSLATION: Our hearts


are hanging in the air. We hope our Government can put some pressure on


them to increase their efforts to save them. Meanwhile the Chinese


Government is sending out increasingly impatient criticism of


the search effort by both Malaysia and Vietnam. How is it possible that


we don't know what happened to this plane? If it exploded in midair US


spy satellites, that notice the smallest flare of a missile launch,


would have expected to see a flash. Sources have confirmed they have


gone back over the images and found nothing. If the aircraft came down


in one piece it should have been visible to radar, and the crew,


should, in theory would have had time to issue a distress call. To


add to the riddle the plane was fitted with the next generation of


satellite tracking systems. Called ADSB, the plane gets its position


from a GPs a GPS satellite, it broadcasts this speed and altitude


and other data to anyone with the right receiver. In time air traffic


control authorities will move from ground-based radar systems to ADSB.


At the moment it is used by flight tracking websites who admit they


don't have enough ground stations in the area to give a complete picture.


We have one receiver close to Malaysia, and we have one receiver


in hoe cheat Ho Chi Min, and in the best conditions we would like to


have a receiver every 50-100kms to get really good coverage. What of


the flight data recorders? If the plane crashed into the sea the boxes


should be sending out sonar pings to guide recovery. But the right


receiver are needed to hear them. It may take days to get vessels on to


the research grid. In the case of the Air France flight that crashed


in the Atlantic on route from Rio to Paris in 2009, the recorders weren't


found for nearly two years, and then only found using mathematical


modelling. We used something bald basing search theory, it was


developed during World War II to search for German submarines. This


pulls together information, each piece of information has


uncertainties and some conflicts in it. And there is a mathematical


theory for a way to account for the uncertainties properly, combine all


this information to get the best estimate for the location of the


wreck. Meanwhile there are just uncertainties, families with nothing


to do but hope and pray. With us now is Professor Grahamrate Braithwaite


from Cranfield University. It is not normal? It is incredibly unusual,


there have been aircraft that have been difficult to find. It will be


found eventually? That is essential. An aircraft like the 777 is used


across the world, a very popular aircraft type and there is no way we


would accept not finding this aircraft. Even if it takes years it


will be done. Could it take years? It is conceivable it could take that


time to recover wreckage, we saw that in the Air France 447 accident


a few years ago. It is unlikely. If it is sound something will be found


relatively quickly. Have you got a theory about how it could suddenly


disappear? There is a few explanations for it. But in my


discipline of accident investigation you have to be very careful about


coming up with theories so early on, because that easily turns into


speculation. So it is essential to keep an open find about what may


have happened here. Clearly it lost contact and clearly it did so in a


way that didn't give many clues as it lost contact. It tells you


something about there are lots of possibilities at this stage. I was


under the impression that modern planes constantly emitted a signal,


is that correct? There is a lot of data leaving an aircraft. Not all of


it is there leaving it the whole time to tell you where it is.


Particularly if you are flying over an ocean where there are not the


ground stations to receive that data. If you multiply that by how


many aircraft flying at any one time, that is a huge amount of data.


It is not transmitting location all of the time. Can pilots switch it


off? It is possible to disable some of that information on t aircraft.


Whether you would lose everything that might come down to some very


bad luck or a more determined action. So for example one of the


things if the aircraft had crashed that they might look for is a


locator beacon that should be activated by the crash or entry to


water. That beacon can be damaged by an accident. It could be unlucky


there and lose the signal before it can be picked up. People always talk


in these circumstances about the black box flight recorder as being


the thing that would explain to you, although after the event. We saw in


the piece there that it took a couple of years or something before


they found those off, they are not plaque of course, -- black or


anything, off the France flight? I would anticipate they would be


found. They emit a signal that should last for 30 days, maybe as


long as 90 days. You have to get close to it to pick it up, depending


on the depth, defending on the temperature of the ocean, it might


be an area close to five miles. You need to know where to look before


picking the beacon up. What happens then? Depending on the depth of the


water they are likely to send down a remote low-operated vehicle which


can recover the recorder and pull it out of the wreckage of the aircraft


if it is not separated. Assuming the recorders are working and assuming


nobody tried to disable them, that should tell you about what happened


on the flight. It isn't the panaseer, it doesn't all tell you


the answer. Have you come across cases where they weren't working or


had been disabled? There were cases where some of the perameters weren't


working. Modern flight data recorders could record hundreds if


not thousands of perameters, it is possible some perameters aren't


working. Usually there is enough of a picture to tell you the answer.


There was a previous case involving Silk Air a few years ago, where the


circuit breaker was pulled in flight to disable the flight data recorder


before the aircraft crashed. That told us what was going Onyango the


aircraft. This is kind of modern nightmare, isn't it, that you get on


a plane and you may never be seen again and nobody knows what happened


to you, it is extremely rare isn't it? It is, after the Air France


accident there was an analysis of how likely an event, where the


aircraft that was difficult to find would be, and the demand -- estimate


of that was ten years, and we have another one in two or three years.


Perhaps there won't be another for 15 years? Let's hope that is the


case. It is hardly news to say that Saudi Arabia is one of the most


male-dominated societies in the world. Women aren't even supposed to


drive cars there. King Abdullah has promised women will be allowed a


vote of sorts next year. But his former wife has now claimed that her


daughters are being kept under a form of house arrest there. She told


the Sunday Times that her daughters are under constant surveillance and


appeal for their release. She has agreed to speak us to about the


allegations earlier this evening, but she didn't want her identity to


be revealed. What do you know about the conditions your daughters are


kept in? Very bad conditions, two of them I don't know if you read about


that, they are in a terrible state of health. Hala is completely


destroyed, anorexic, she needs help, she lives alone and in that villa.


The last time she called me a few weeks ago she told me, mummy, I


don't have anyone, I'm hungry. No-one is preparing. She said no,


no, I have food but I don't want to eat. It is like ready food, junk


food or whatever it is. I don't know really what it is. But I know the


situation for a woman nobody is helping, if they don't buy you food,


bring you food, you can never eat even that. They are not able to go


out shopping? I know very well about two of them can go shopping. They


can go shopping, but they are not really imprisoned are they? It


depends how you look at it. If you only allowed this and then going out


so that they will make your trip unbearable so that's it. Basically


even a doctor they cannot have the choice to go to. They can't travel,


they can't move, if they decide that they will do a trip, they can't do


it. Those people who follow them they are not for the safety. And


they are just to make the situation terrible for them. Do you know why


they are being treated like this? Yeah, yeah. As I have told you, you


are owned. For me I was divorced and I didn't go back. Plus he didn't


find, I was always obeying his orders. Don't trouble, I was


divorced. But he still insisted that if he doesn't want me to travel, he


says no, and that means no. Basically I... Have they tried to


leave the country? No, how? I suppose they would ask for


passports? They asked many times to come and see me, they were refused.


The King told them either you marry or die? His other daughters are free


to go wherever they want without escorts I know this, I used to come


here, travel, go anywhere without anyone. Is it true they are actually


imprisoned or held in a palace? Yes. I call it this, when you are locked,


your gate is locked from the outside, that means you are


imprisoned. You will understand it doesn't sound very grim this prison?


It doesn't. For a woman to be not allowed to live normally day and


night, watched, I don't know, what do you mean by that, you can't


travel, you can't go to see your mother. You make it sound as if they


are being held hostage They are. If you return they will be freed? If


that is true I will go now. If you can go with me I will go to it and


get them. What is the physical condition of your daughters? You


mean health wise? Very bad, one is anorexic, complaining from many,


many things. I would like not to air what I know of her situation.


Because I don't want to harm my own daughter. But she is in a bad


health. And the other one is in bad health. The third, the second. And


their mental condition? This is what psychologically they are not well.


They are left out any treament He's the king, he has all the money to


get the best doctors for those two girls. I don't know. We contacted


the Saudi embassy about the allegations you just heard and we


are extending an invitation for someone to appear on the programme


or supply a statement. We were told the embassy doesn't comment on


private matters and this is a private matter. There will be yet


another meeting tomorrow as much of the western world bonders what it


can do about the growing tensions between Russia and Ukraine. There is


to be a referendum this weekend to determine whether the crime ma


Crimea should stay in the Ukraine for go back to Russia. And David


Cameron called it farcical. The Polish Foreign Minister was in the


UK to meet William Hague to discuss their response to rising tensions


today. Afterwards I asked him why Europe refuses to recognise the


referendum? It is under gun point with the presence of foreign troops


on Crimea's soil and without the regular electoral rolls, and without


the supervision of international bodies. And in violation of


Ukraine's constitution. But the definition of nationality is surely


the wishes of the people, isn't it? Yes, but we all have constitutions.


You are going to have a referendum in Scotland, but it is done by


consensus, not by breaking existing law. Wouldn't you allow the


possibility that there comes a point when national borders become


incoherent? Well, that is exactly the principle at stake. I think


after World War ll and the Cold War we have agreed in the international


community that when there are ethnic disputes across national boundaries,


we try to overcome the boundaries and fulfil the rights of citizens


without changing boundaries by force. Which is how the Second World


War started. You have done it in Ulster, it has been done all over


Europe, and it can be done, provided you use institutions that we have


created for those purposes. But it is -- but its international position


has changed since the Second World War, but there is no reason it


should change again? Ukraine has voluntarily given up nuclear


weapons, and received guaranteed from the United States, UK and


Russia of her independence. T viability of her borders and


freedoms from pressures, for example trade boycotts. Think of what signal


would be sent to places like North Korea and Iran of the value of our


guarantees in return for dropping nuclear ambitions if we don't


protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. If the majority of people


in Crimea say they wish to be part of Russia, who are we to deny that?


If the majority of Crimea have an issue with the Ukrainian Government


there are ways by the Ukrainian constitutions to do that. If they


wanted more autonomy in Ukraine, I think that is something that the


Ukrainian Government would consider. We are not talking about autonomy


within Ukraine, we are talking about the wish to belong to another


country? Well Britain has had those dilemmas before. And you have to be


very careful how to handle it. If the majority of people in the


Falkland Islands, for example, expressed a wish to become begin


Argentinian, we should respect that? The Argentinians invaded and you


sent a task force to take the islands back. Pause there are ways


-- because there are ways of doing it by law and there are completely


unacceptable ways. Because the majority of the people in the


Falkland Islands resisted the invasion? We have no idea what the


majority of the people of Crimea want, they have not been asked and


it is unlikely they will be democratically asked. There is


clearly a demand among some people in Crimea not to be part of Ukraine?


There may be some, but there are ways that you can express that


constitutionally. What better way of judging that than by holding a


referendum? It can be done provided it is legal. Not at the point of a


foreign gun. Supposing this referendum goes ahead, and it gives,


you say it would be unfairly conducted and it gives a result you


don't like. What then? Well, I think Russia will, the European Council


has decided that there will be consequences, and we are all very


reluctant about it. Because we all have commercial relationships with


Russia, but the principle of not changing borders by force is an


important one. And the European Council has decided that just like


the United States Europe will impose a visa ban and asset freezes. Will


they go any further than that? I think if Russia invaded mainland


Ukraine they would go further. You would accept the invasion of Crimea?


No the whole conversation is you trying to accept the invasion of


Crimea. I don't understand why it is any business of our's in this


country? Because you had leaders who said that these are far way


countries of which we know little and we know how it ended. Thank you


very much. Paul Brinkley served as the United States deputy under


secretary of defence under both the Bush and Obama administrations and


is here now. During the time when you were at the Department of


Defence, did you ever envisage this sort of situation? In a way you know


one of the things we are not talking very much about is what motivates


perhaps people in Crimea to seek an alternative governing structure.


What motivates people in the Ukraine who recently underwent these events


in Kiev to seek an alternati governing structure. What I was


personally involved with during those two administrations had to do


with the economic underpinnings that lead to conditions that because


these rifts to form in the first place. It is interesting if you look


at Ukraine's economy, since the fall of the Iron Curtain, it has lagged


every other post-Soviet era economy. 06% of the G -- 60% of the


neighbouring countries per capita compared to other countries. And if


you look at Crimea in the Ukraine you have the same statistical


phenomenon. The average cry mean has relative income, 60% of the citizens


of the Ukraine. It is interesting to me how the economic disparity in an


age of information, when people see neighbouring countries and


prosperity emerging in neighbouring countries, it creates a level of


frustration that leads n my opinion, to these rifts. The rifts can be


sectarian, as we see in the Middle East and central Asia, they can be


ethnic, as we are seeing emerge in a place like Ukraine. At the root of


them is an absence of economic development, and an access to


opportunity, that a population feel seems fair relative to what its


neighbours, or its international partners are experiencing. When you


look at how the west is struggling to make sense of this and to


determine how to respond and you look at the way in which President


Obama was wrong-footed over Syria, then sites he has had here about


what to d about Ukraine, what do you conclude about American power? I


don't know that you conclude anything about American power, but I


do think we are going through a period that I think will get more


intense in the next few years. We spent a trillion dollars on the


effort in Iraq, and the blood of thousands of our young men and


women, and thousands and hundreds of British young men and women. A $700


billion exercise in Afghanistan, not ending as well as we thought it


would be. For us to be intropective on how we engage in foreign policy


conflicts perhaps is not to be unexpected of our country. I think


it is rational. And I think you also have to look at how we positioned


ourselves as "the west", not just the United States but Europeans. In


terms of strategic levers the Russians have significant strategic


levers that are at play here. Whether they are energy plies


supplies to Europe, and -- energy supplies to Europe and financial


integration that has taken place and risks to both western and Russian


economy that make it much, much more complex to react in the way we might


have in years past. You raise Iraq and Afghanistan, what went wrong


there? I think for us in Afghanistan, and we are seeing this


play out. We have lost sight of something very important in the


west. We believed that if we created democratic institutions that all


good things would follow. I find this a loss of understanding of our


own history in the rest. Democratic institutions were built on economic


foundations, they created middle-class prosperity and gave


citizenry a stake in those institutions. Afghan GDP today is


minimal. The institutions we have worked so hard to establish are


almost completely dependant on foreign aid today. I'm very


concerned that as we draw down our presence in Afghanistan, and the


international community disengaged, we have created a house of cards in


Afghanistan because we have lost sight of the economic foundations


that are so important. If we believe democratic institutions are


desirable, we need to be equally as passionate about creating economic


opportunity and a basis for the institutions to rest upon. I wonder


what conclusion you draw about the par be a spring and American support


for that? I think there is significant American support, but it


is also struggling for all the reasons we have said, if you look at


Egypt today. The number one problem is economic. You hear it across the


piece. It is 80 million people, half very young, frustrated, no


opportunity. What do you have that when you have that mix? You have


unrest, you have civil discord, and democratic institutions are not


sustainable in those circumstances. Those are complicated problems to


solve and we struggle to solve them because they are not easy and they


are country-specific. Every country has a set of human assets and


natural resources that have to be assessed. To approach the problem as


we have from the last deck taped, strictly militarily and in terms of


the US engagments in the region, the jury is in. We can look at the


results and see that adjustment to our foreign policy is overdue.


Litarily and in terms of the US engagments in the region, the jury


is in. We can look at the results and see that adjustment to our


foreign policy is overdue. Do you think the foreign policy you were


involved in was wrong? The roles replayed, businessmen who worked in


Iraq, Pakistan, to begin to create economic opportunity. That was a


very difficult slog, because within my Government institutionally those


economic development activities are viewed as emerging from structural


implementation of rule of law, democratic institutions. I think


that's upside down. And I think we have learned painful lessons from


this. Thank you. It is a serious and embarrassing condition which could


affect any woman who gives birth. You may not have heard of it,


because in a healthy country like our's, it can be avoided or treated


quickly and effectively. Yet in the developing world an estimated two


million people suffer from T it is called obstetric fistula, it leaves


women constantly leaking urine or worse. The BBC's global health


correspondent has been to central Uganda. You won't be surprised to


learn that her report contains graphic images and details.


Crowds are gathering to see local celebrities coming to town. These


radio DJs broadcasting throughout the region are just the warm-up act


though. The headliners are missionaries from the hospital, here


to talk about a condition called obstetric fistula, it is where often


younger, smaller mothers develop a hole in their bladder caused by


their baby getting stuck in the birth canal during delivery. The


woman is left leaking urine constantly. If they gave birth in a


hospital rather than at home these problems could be avoided. Most


women can't afford to. This community is being told there is a


solution for a lucky few who have the condition. For the next two


weeks doctors from the UK are offering free fistula repair


surgery. Selina and her mum heard the radio show and have arrived at


the hospital. She's 17 and in constant discomfort, her underwear


stuffed with rags to avoid urine dripping down her legs. Whenever she


leaves the house she takes plastic sheets with her. Her story is a


particular one. She fell pregnant last year. TRANSLATION: I was at


school when I met my boyfriend. He would come and buy me chicken and


chips, I didn't know he wanted to get me pregnant. I loved him. She


was in labour at home for three days before going to hospital, Sheehy


vently delivered a baby girl, who died soon afterwards. TRANSLATION: I


didn't even get to hold my baby or Herrera before she died. When I see


other women carrying their babies I feel so sad. Her boyfriend left her


after the birth, leaving her facing a bleak futureeir babies I feel so


sad. Her boyfriend left her after the birth, leaving her facing a


bleak future. Before her operation she wanted to show me where she


lives. We made the 60km journey. When she arrived there was an


unwelcome surprise. She thinks she has seen the man who got her


pregnant. She's not sure if she wants to speak to him. I think she's


feeling a bit shy. She's not sure what his reaction to her will be.


Let's follow her and see what happens. Is he there. Are you


feeling shy? Do you want to see him? That's him? Is that him in the white


shirt? OK. Reluctantly her sheepish looking ex-boyfriend is dragged out


of the house by one of the missionaries. She was very young


wasn't she when you got her pregnant? Because you are 23, you


are a lot older than her? TRANSLATION: He wasn't aware she was


so young. You didn't know she was 16? John said he did his duty by


paying for her hospital bills but the relationship is over. He's now


one of the lads again. Selena is offered support by some of her


neighbours, but she tells me later it is all a show for the cameras,


and some of these girls actually usually torment her over her


condition. She says her friends treat her so badly, when they see


her they tell her she stinks, she's like rubbish to them, mostly she


says at home. Back at her home, watching all of this unfold is


Selena's mother and she's livid. TRANSLATION: She was so healthy. She


would dress so smartly and whenever she walked in the village she was


the envy of everyone. Now when I see her in this condition, and the man


who did this to her is stood right there. Not even asking for my


forgiveness, I feel so sad and angry. It is the first day of the


free fistula repair camp at the hospital. An anxious Selena is first


on the list. Here it is important to find creative ways of getting the


job done. Like using a surgical glove as a town the question.


Tourniquet. This is complex surgeries but they have found the


problem here quickly. It is just at the edge, it is about a 4cm hole,


you can actually see right into the bladder there. Can you see that.


Shane Duffy and his team from Chelsea and Westminster hospital in


London are training Ugandan doctors here so they can eventually take


over. It is important to have it tension-free. The surgery has been a


success, her mother hopes she will go back to school and get her life


back. Selena is looking forward to hanging out with her friends again


and one day having another baby. But there are 200,000 other women living


in Uganda with this condition, with only a fraction lucky enough to get


treatment. These women are hoping they will be seen by the UK team


before they have to leave. But there are too many to treat everyone. Many


more will be left waiting, facing a lifetime of rejection, shame and


humiliation. That's all for tonight. The decision of the Globe Theatre to


perform Hamlet in North Korea hasn't been greeted with universal approval


by human rights campaigners today. Not that the vast majority of the


population will be able to see it, let alone understand western actors


performing in English. We have an actor here to show us how Korean


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