10/04/2014 Newsnight


10/04/2014

With Laura Kuenssberg. Nigel Evans is found not guilty, Greece returns to the bond market and Akram Khan talks about choreographing part of the London 2012 opening ceremony.


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As many of you know I have gone through 11 months of hell. Cleared,

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Nigel Evans, the former Deputy Speaker, another very public

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prosecution of sex offences fails, but one of the men who testified in

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the case tells Newsnight he feels humiliated. And parliament has to

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change. Even though we work in one big building together, there was no

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mechanism to deal with this problem. There still isn't. We will be

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talking live to Nigel Evans' lawyer. The drug meant to protect us from a

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flu pandemic might not work. The research on Tamiflu is finally out

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in the open. Remember this? Two years since Greece nearly crashed

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out of the euro, but today the markets actually want to buy up its

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debts, is it time to call off the crisis.

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We will ask a former MP and one of Gordon Brown's key business

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advisers. A... 80,000 people went quiet, the

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silence of 80,000 people is very loud. Dancer Akram Khan tells us how

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terrifying it was to choreograph the Olympics.

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After the journey from the speaker's chair to the dock, Nigel Evans says

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nobodying will the same again. The MP was cleared of charges of sexual

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offences against seven young men, on the steps of the court he said there

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was no young women. A deliberate echo of the Coronation Street car,

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Bill Roache, cleared of similar charges earlier this year. As

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another high-profile case fails to secure conviction as wave of

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Conservative MPs are calling for change at the Crown Prosecution

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Service service, one of the seven men at the centre of the case he

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feels has told Newsnight feels angry.

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In my darkest and loneliest times there were only two or one sets of

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foot prints in the sand. For those of you of fate will know, they

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weren't mine. The fact is I have work to do. It is the work that I

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have done for the last 22 years. Nigel Evans burst into tears as he

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was cleared of all charges at Preston Crown Court, he stood in the

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dock, hands clasped, listening as each of the nine "not guilty"

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verdicts were read out in turn. Mr Nigel Evans was elected Deputy

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Chairman of ways and means. In 2010 he was one of three MPs elected to

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the high-profile role of Deputy Speaker, he stepped down last

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September to fight the charges of sexual assault and rape. The

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56-year-old was alleged to have used his political influence to take

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advantage of young male victims, often while drunk, often in bars and

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clubs near the House of Commons. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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our Prime Minister, David Cameron. Following today's not guilty verdict

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the Prime Minister led a long line of MPs offering their backing. It is

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hard to imagine the relief that Nigel must feel after such a

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traumatic time. I very much welcome what he said on the steps of the

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court and I think everyone should pay heed to that. I'm sure to get on

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with working with his constituents in the Ribble Valleys and for the

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future I'm sure it is something he will be discussing with the Chief

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Whip when he returns to parliament. But on the Internet and across

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Westminster there was also sharp criticism of both the police and the

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CPS, both in private and in public, many Tory MPs were asking how this

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case ever got to court in the first place. In truth it wasn't long after

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this trial started that the prosecution case started to fall

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apart. Witnesses changed their Tories in the dock, victims gave

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contradictory evidence. One accuser, a young university student said he

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had been drinked champagne and gin at the MP's local pub and his home

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last year. He told police he was pushed into the bedroom and forcibly

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undressed by Evans, in court he said there was no pushing, he had taken

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off his own clothes and passed up the chance to sleep in daven room.

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Three of the seven men called to give evidence against Evans didn't

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want the MP arrested or charged in the first place. One said: To be

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honest I didn't think there were any grounds to be charged: I

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Decisions to prosecute are made on paper, somebody has to look at the

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wider picture. If you have an individual that doesn't want to come

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to court for whatever reason, the wider picture may be that the whole

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case depends on lots of individuals. You can't give the decision

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necessarily to an individual witness as a prosecutor you have to look at

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the case as whole. Today the police defended the decision to bring

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charges, saying they have to investigate no matter what role the

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accused hold. We worked with the Crown Prosecution Service at an

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early stage, and all the evidence was subject to careful scrutiny

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before a decision was taken to charge. Particularly where

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complainants didn't see themselves as victims. Only after very careful

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consideration was the decision made to put this before a jury and the

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belief that there was sufficient evidence to justify a realistic

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prospect of conviction. Today's emphatic not guilty verdict may be a

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huge relief to Nigel Evans. But the detail of went on in bars in Soho

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are embarrassing to the MP, during the case he admitted to making

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repeated passes to younger staff. One of the victims said he didn't

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see it was a criminal offence, but there may be something about the

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culture of parliament that made this possible. He said at some point

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there will be a major Skandia that will make -- scandal that will make

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this case look like small fry. There is a new Code of Conduct following

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the Evans case, but it is entirely voluntary, another bullying advice

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line for parliamentary staff is being launched. Those who have

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worked in parliament say the pressures of the job can often leave

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people alone and vulnerable. I think after a while people end up

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in many, many occasions drinking too much, I think that naturally because

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of the late hours they stay away from their family and their staying

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on -- they are staying on their own in Westminster, they get lonely in

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the job. They end up having strong bonds with a researcher because they

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are working crazy hours together, hours which are stressful. You put

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that together and this is a sense in which people form relationships

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which are perhaps inappropriate, they end up having affairs because

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they are way from home and drinking too much and having a lifestyle that

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isn't perhaps a healthy lifestyle. Nigel Evans left court cleared of

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any wrongdoing, he acknowledged from today his life was never going to be

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the same again. Reforming the heavy drinking high-pressure culture of

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Westminster could take a good while longer.

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Earlier tonight I spoke to one of the men who made the allegations

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about Mr Evans. He wanted to remain anonymous. But I asked him first how

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did he feel about today's verdict? I'm really angry, I was a bit upset

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at first but I have just been really angry all afternoon, I have not been

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able to do any work. What are you angry about? I'm angry because I

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felt when I went to give evidence and I was cross-examined it was, I

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knew it was going to be difficult, but I found it very humiliating and

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degrading. How did it make you feel when you were in the witness box,

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being spoken to in that way? I felt like I, I can remember the defence

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barrister smiling when he would trip me up by words saying what did I

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mean by this and that. It was confusing and scary. Why didn't you

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go to the police at the time? The next day I got on the train home and

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I did Google sort of Victim Support. I didn't find much for men and I was

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very conscious of the fact that because he was a public figure what

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this would mean with it being in the press and in the papers. The fact

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that I used to work in parliament so even though I would get anonymity,

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everyone of my old friends would know and I didn't want people to

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know, but eventually I decided that something I had to do something. I

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thought that it might happen again. There was a message that went to

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party whips earlier on about his behaviour and you had been working

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in parliament, do you feel that the parties took it seriously at the

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time. I don't think any of the main parties know what to do. The strange

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thing about parliament is they make the laws but they don't like any,

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they don't like a place of business. They don't have a HR department, our

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bosses are technically as it were self-employed and we are all small

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businesses so we have, even though we work in one big buiing together,

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there was no mechanism to deal with this problem. There still isn't. So

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you were too scared of the potential public ramifications if you told the

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police? And the political parties you didn't feel would take it

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seriously enough. No, I know that the, they were certainly aware that

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MPs and young 20-something researchers who are vulnerable

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because they fear for their careers and all the hard work that they do

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can be just thrown away in an instant, and I think a lot of

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people, senior people count on that, that it can be brushed under the

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carpet. Do you accept though that different people have different

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interpretations of what is acceptable, especially in a

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highly-charged environment, when there is a lot of alcohol around?

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Yeah. There are some young researchers who certainly enjoy the

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contact that they get. And that is entirely up to them. But there are

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plenty, if not most who don't appreciate that at all, and they

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just want to work and they got into politics that they want to change

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the world. But they find that when they get there they have got to put

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up with a lot of stuff. Some of the witnesses in this case

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I know if you are a defence barrister that is your job, I don't

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feel like my evidence changed, think when I properly spoke to the police

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and gave my interview, that was recorded, from then on you know my

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line was very clear. I think. So that's my opinion on that. There

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have been suggestions some of this was some kind of plot? I don't

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understand the logic behind that. I have lost everything in this last

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year and had to slowly rebuild my life, I had ambitions for a

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political career after working in parliament and I don't see that as a

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real possibility any more. It has taken me almost a year to get a new

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job outside of politics. Mr Evans said there was

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If cases are going to be prosecuted by more senior barristers, larger

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police resources, which may well be appropriate, because serious

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complaints such as rape should be properly investigated, of course

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they should. The defence need that equality of arms to combat them.

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Fortunately Mr Evans was able to pay for private legal fees. Many people

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KRNTHS and the attack on Legal Aid will see continued miscarriages of

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justice in the future. What would you like to see change in the

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systems, there is a lot of calls for anonymity of defendants in these

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cases, would you support that? There is a view that a lot of people came

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forward about the Savile case, because they had seen it on

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television. There are many, many protections that are forwarded,

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afforded sorry, to the genuine victims of sexual assaults. They are

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guaranteed anonymity for life. Defendants are not guaranteed any

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anonymity. There is a strong view amongst many defence lawyers that

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anonymity should be guaranteed up to the point that somebody is

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convicted. Just briefly, I'm afraid we are running out of time, briefly

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Mr Evans spoke outside the court, and he did through the course of the

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trial admit to some behaviour that many people would find

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inappropriate. Does he accept that he did anything wrong, do you think?

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Mr Evans is a single man, he had close friendships with people ooh if

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we take anybody's life and lay it out in front of a court of law,

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under the microscope of the media things will come out. He's a decent

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man, he's a decent politician, he cares deeply about his constituents,

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and I wish him a long career in parliament. Thank you very much

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indeed for joining us from Salford tonight. Now, the drugs don't work!

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Or at least that's the claim made today. The Government has already

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paid almost ?5 million for stockpiles of the antiviral Tamiflu,

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bought up when there were fears of a bird flu pandemic that could wipe

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out hundreds of thousands of people. But a group of searchers has today

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said it doesn't actually prevent the spread of flu or reduce dangerous

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complay mytations -- complication and has little more effect than

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taking paracetamol. Are they right? It has taken time to come to this

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conclusion because the drug company refused legally to hand over their

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data. What is going on? How can you spend more than ?400

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million on a drug that just doesn't seem to work terribly well. That, it

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seems, it what the last British Government did. From 2006 it built

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up a stockpile of Tamiflu, a drug for people who have the flu, to help

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the country in the event of a major pandemic. But the Cochrane

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Collaboration, announced today it believes Tamiflu may be of very limb

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-- limited, while they found it would shorten flu symptoms by half

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way. There was no good evidence to support claims it reduced admissions

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to hospital. It announced increased risk of suffering from nausea and

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vomiting after taking the drug. The big question is why we ended up

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buying so much Tamiflu. Governments have always had the responsibility

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to deal with contagious diseases. I'm here at the site of the Soho

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cholera epidemic. That was pretty easy to solve. All the omissions had

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to do was take the handle off water pump. Flu, however, is much harder

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to deal with. Many think of the flu as a few days in bed. It is however

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a fast growing disease, if it morphs into a particular strain it can

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cause devastation. The so called Spanish flu killed 228,000 British

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people. The purchase of Tamiflu was fuelled by fear of a repeat. What if

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a bird flu turned into a lethal human disease? The Government's risk

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register noted that a new flu pandemic might cause 750,000 deaths.

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Would the emergency services cope if, as the worst case scenario

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planning implied, one in five people were too sick to work? Tamiflu was

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insurance against a catastrophe. But why did the British Government not

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look at the evidence that the Cochrane researchers were looking at

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before deciding to buy all the Tamiflu. They couldn't, the company

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that makes Tamiflu only recently released the data. I think the most

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extraordinary thing here is in refusing to hand over this

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information for half a decade, they broke no law. And in fact that's

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really the problem here. Our regulatory framework is broken and

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drug companies and researchers are routinely and legally withholding

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vitally important information about the results on clinical trials in

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treatments we used to. Doctors, researchers and patients can't make

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informed decisions about which treatment is best as long as this is

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permitted. We need clear legislation to ensure all trials on all the

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treatments currently being used are made fully, publicly available. So

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why does that missing trial data matter? So let as imagine I'm trying

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to sell a new fictional drug. I perform lots of tests and I get all

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of these results for it. That vertical line there, that is the

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average result. Now, let's imagine I don't publish all the results. By

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hiding some of the data I can shift the average. Or suppose I publish

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all of the results but I don't publish that generated them. And

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what if my research wasn't totally air tight? The real effects might be

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different from the one that is I'm claiming. And that is what the

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Cochrane research essay they came to when they looked at the data on

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Tamiflu. That conclusion is strongly rejected by Roche who insist it is a

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vital treatment for flu. Senior he officials in the department say it

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was still the right decision to stockpile Tamiflu. They say it might

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not be strong enough but when you are worried about pandemics you get

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all the help you can get. We invited guests into the studio but nobody

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was available. I'm joined by one of the writers report, and the

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Professor of Experimental Medicine at Imperial College. You advised the

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Government on this issue, what is the point of spending hundreds of

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millions on Tamiflu if it doesn't work that well? It is important to

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recognise it does work under some circumstances. It doesn't probably

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work under some of the circumstances when we use it. But if it is used

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early there is no doubt it is an effective antiviral drug. But the

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researchers have gone through every piece of data and every review and

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survey on the drug, and are you sure we shouldn't have any reservations

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at all and say we have to have it and haven't got an option. We spend

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?500 million on it. We have to ask Carl on t the review they have done

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is a very useful thorough piece of work where they have looked at not

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all the data, all the published work, and new evidence that has come

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to light. I'm very pleased that has been done. Which the drug company

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held on to for five years? That im think that the evidence that

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Tamiflu is a good drug to prevent that sort of severe disease is

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rather strong. That wasn't what the new study was about. Are you

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actually saying we should scrap using this drug? Yes, I am saying

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that. What we have a difference of opinion here is I'm talking to you

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about the gold standard evidence, randomised contr trials. What Peter

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is talking about observational data, what he sees on the ground. That is

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a much lower level of evidence. That shouldn't be used to establish

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treatment effectiveness. We have learned that over the last 30 years,

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that is where we have established the Cochrane collaboration. The drug

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isn't as effective as it might be, isn't it better than nothing in a

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serious situation? What was shown in 2005 is in the UN report there would

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be many deaths, only 90 worldwide at that point. Since that time we

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purchased 14 million doses of the drug. We have had continual concerns

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over flu. The unintended consequences is increase in

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emergency admissions out of hours going through the roof. What should

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happen if we use it in an intensive care population, which is an

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interesting trial, we should do the clinical trials for that population.

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It should be a non-manufacturer trial, but a publicly-funded trial,

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that would provide the answer. To use observational data is

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misleading. He says you're misleading? I don't think it is,

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there are different standards of trial, and the standards that Carl

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is asking for are the highest possible standards. The trouble is

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if you restrict your evidence gathering to only those studies that

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pass your very, very narrow, highest, most stringent standards,

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you throw out a lot of useful information that may reflect better

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the way in which he ought to be using these drugs. I agree this is

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the gold standard and what we should be aspiring to, but in reality it is

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so difficult to get public funding for studies of this sort. I would

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love that to be easier. That is not the case, the UK has a budget of ?1.

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4 billion year. What you are vague is not practice evidence-based

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evidence, let's practice what we see, observation, and opinion. It is

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clear can you do clinical trials in high-risk populations, we have done

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it with people on the roadside when they have traffic accidents. We did

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a trial of steroids shown to be harmful. We do need to do the

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clinical trials. However, if we only find it useful in that small

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population, which is important. And the immunosuppressed population, why

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are we stockpiling it for all of us in the community. It doesn't make

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sense. Use the money to do the important clinical trials. I totally

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agree, we have to do evidence-based medicine, we have to do the proper

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studies, lots of things which we thought were really beneficial we

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have thrown out. Do you agree we should stop stockpiling? Absolutely,

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I was on the panel that ultimately agreed we ought to stockpile. I

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think we have to remember we were stockpiling against an eventuality

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that was much more severe than what developed in 2009/10: Should we get

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more Tamiflu just in case? It would be irresponsible for us not to have

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a stockpile. If one of these highly pat though -- pathogenic strains

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arrives, it is not that we will use it but a sensible precaution. After

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five years to get the data from Roche, it is essential all the

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research is given to researchers. What would you feel if we just carry

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on buying Tamiflu? I think what's happening and the problem is, if we

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keep buying Tamiflu we are stopping do the research and it is blocking

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innovation to come to the best strategies. We should use that money

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to come up with alternative strategies. You can't just go let's

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have a fear approach to healthcare. We cannot afford to do that. We must

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leave it there I am afraid. Thank you very much. You might not quite

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be in time to start smashing the plates in celebration, but the put

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upon population of Greece has something to cheer about, their

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economy. The country today reentered the bond market. In other words

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Greece looks a good enough bet for financial types who want to buy up

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their debt. That means they are trusted enough to be able to pay it

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back one day. Can we call off the euro crisis at last. I'm joined from

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Athens by an economist who was a member of the Greek parliament until

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a couple of years ago. And a Government minister and adviser to

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Gordon Brown. Firstly to Athens, does it feel where you are like it

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might be time to call off the crisis? No, I think that would be

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completely irresponsible to say, and no-one, even those extremely happy

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about the news today would even dare to even think something like that.

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We're really far away from saying that the crisis is over. This is

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just a movement that generate, if you wish, a positive signals in the

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market that we are some how on the right track. We could have done

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without it we never the less decided to go ahead with the issue, and that

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is pretty much what it is so far. We should be with our heads between our

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shoulders. Two years ago we were talking still about the potential

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collapse of the eurozone. Greece looked like it was in massive,

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massive problems. Nobody could have dreamt then they would be returning

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to the markets 24-months later. Surely this is a corner being

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turned? Yes, it means that for two years now all the European Union

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organisations got together and tried to guarantee as much as they could

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the coalition of the 17 member states of the eurozone so we would

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not have one of the members fall out, and as a result the breakdown

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of the euro. And today really what it shows, it is not just the

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issuance of the Greek bond to the market, but really an issuance of

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the European Union reforms that have been taking place for the last two

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years that basically guarantee the fact that if ever Greece would have

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a problem the organisations and institutions of the zone, the

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eurozone are strong enough to handle it. With borrowing costs falling for

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Greece and many of the European countries, does this show that

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essentially the central banks have just solved it by issuing blank

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cheques, or has austerity worked? I think it is more a reflection of the

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state of the European, rather than the state of Greece or some other

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countries. Some countries have done fatastically well in their reforms,

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for example Ireland. But really I think what the market is showing its

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confidence in is Mario Dragi saying he would do whatever it takes. The

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head of the European Central Bank? Yes. I don't think it is a vote of

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confidence in the economic measures. The crisis has gone from the acute

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to the chronic. There is extremely long road ahead of reforms. The real

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economy is still suffering. I mean Greece has had 25%, a quarter of its

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GDP wiped out. It has unemployment, one in two young people, more than

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one in two young people are unemployed. It actually has

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deflation, which make its debt burden higher. The debt burden is

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essentially unsolvable. It may have liquidity but it is unsolvable. When

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there was those rumours of Greece crashing out of the currency with

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unknown contagion, it is a better position that people thought we

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would be in now? Of course it is a much better position. Because the

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existential part of the crisis is over. However, the real crisis that

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people feel, you know, the one in four people who are unemployed, the

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fact that there is a debt burden, there is still going to have to be a

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restructured of the debt to make it affordbling. What is the feeling

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amongst people who live there, who are not paying attention to what the

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bond markets are up to. What is the feeling of the population? I took a

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taxi to come to the studio here and I was asking about that myself. I

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also walked around to just let you know that there is not very much of

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a feeling, neither of happiness nor of sadness. It is kind of neutral.

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Very well said, we have about 60% plus youth unemployment, 30% regular

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unemployment, Greeks have lost 30% of their GDP, as long as liquidity

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in the market is not out there, and people don't feel that they have a

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present let alone a future. I don't think it is appropriate to suggest

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that anyone down the road is going to be feeling any happiness about

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the issuance of bonds today. Is there any sense of gratitude to the

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rest of Europe for writing those blank cheques. Angela Merkel the

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German leader in Greece tomorrow, she was massively attacked and

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treated with huge hostility previously, will she be, maybe not

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welcomed, but perhaps at least tolerated when she visits tomorrow

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do you think? I think there is a big misunderstanding here, and several

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degrees of separation between the citizen down the street and Angela

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Merkel and the troika and the west. What I'm trying to say is that

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basically our problem in Greece is a structural problem. We have a broken

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productive system, and we haven't really done very much to reform

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that. This is what you do see daily in the streets, you see still an

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overly bureaucratic market, an overly bureaucratic economy that

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stifle, if you like, innovation, entrepeneurship, and the rather

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unpredictable rules that change every day about three new taxes

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indicators that are changing every single day that stifles people's

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ability to do any type of activity, that is very much the view out

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there. That is the view from Athens, but how will we however know when

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there has been success, if it is not the markets being confident enough

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to think that Greeks will pay their debts back, which is a big step, how

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will we know when everything is fine? First of all I'm not saying,

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and I don't think anybody said that the markets are confident enough to

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think that the Greek also pay their debt back. The they are confident

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enough to believe that the European Union and the ECB will stand behind

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the Greek debt. There is only one test at the end of it which is

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employment, growth, investment. And the lives of real people. That is

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when we will know. By the way that will be years, if not longer,

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decades perhaps. Thank you very much . Juliette Binoche and Kylie Minogue

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aren't too shabby as partners on the potential dance floor, Akram Khan,

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one of the best-loved British choreographers has worked with them

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both, as well as a host of other stars. Khan, who trained as a

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traditional Indian dancer is breaking new ground with a show he

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devised with the English National Ballet. We have been to take a look.

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There are many different layer that is we have to touch upon. And the

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poetic body, the spiritual body. The politic Kalt body, the message --

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political body, the message you are getting through that body, it is not

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just an athletic body, a religious body. Akram Khan, dancing the lead

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in his own piece, Dust, at the Barbican in London. He's joined by

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tap ma a Roho of the English National Ballet. It is an unusual

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collaboration for a man with a background in Indian dance. But then

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it is an unusual work, about the First World War. I was fascinated

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about the idea of women moving from, you know, bei regarded as housewives

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to suddenly being workers in a factory. They had to build

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ammunition, weapons and lots of different things, they had to look

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after wounded soldiers. And so the role of women transformed. In

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society, the way society works and that was a pivitol moment for me.

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The interest in me was to reflect through the idea of trenches in the

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Second World War. I don't know if it was all method and you made them

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live in a trench for a week? I would have loved to do that. What a good

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idea! Now we all lead busy lives and don't get to contemporary dance as

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often as we would like. If you are thinking you haven't seen Akram

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Khan's work before, think again. We eventually got on stage, on that

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day and 80,000 people went quiet. The silence of 80,000 people is very

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loud. It is epic. So it was not silence, it was almost distorting in

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your ears. That freaked me out a little bit! In what way, you thought

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my gosh we are at really something special here? Something special and

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if you mess out you don't have a second show to try to rectify it!

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Kicking off the London Games was something the young Akram Khan could

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hardly have dreamt of, the son of Bengali immigrants growing up over

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their restaurant in south London. I never imagined I would be at the

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Olympic, I remember watching the Olympics opening and being

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completely in awe of the ceremonies that we saw, but I never thought I

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would be part of T As dancer and choreographer, Khan's background is

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in a classical Indian tradition. But not exclusively. I was inspired by

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Michael Jackson, Charley chaplain, Bruce Lee, all my heros. A Newsnight

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mash-up, apologies. But as he performs with the English National

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Ballet by night, by day he's here rehearsing a different piece with

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these students from the national youth dance company. They are

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appearing at Sadler's Wells next week. Slow, slow, don't rush me,

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pull me up, even this. It has to feel heavy. You just come out of

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this move. It is amazing to push yourself to your limit and do things

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to more extreme, it is more challenging, it is different to any

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choreography I have done before. There is a lot more to it, something

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deeper. A lot of his work is spiritual. He will come in and say

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something, like a sentence and all of a sudden you have a whole newer P

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pective on what -- new perspective on what the movement is and how it

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should feel. He sheds different light on everything. This group

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disproves the theory that watching YouTube videos makes teenagers idle.

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It is an inspiration. We didn't have that in our time, this group are far

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more advanced than I was when I was 16 for sure. Because they have the

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access through the computer to so many different art forms. But for me

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it is not the final outcome, you know. Y can't learn everything on

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YouTube. From here, again, hold it, more, more, give more to your body.

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You can't get it from a computer, or even from a class. Akram Khan's

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story is that you have to dance to the beat of a different drum. The

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choreography is just the structure for you to get through to the end.

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Between A and B, the beginning and the end. The structure is only there

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for it to be a guide, a Road Map. Almost as amazing as the Olympics

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ceremony, the front pages just in. The Guardian:

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Perish the thought that you have been checking your work e-mails

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while watching us at the same time. But if you have been in France you

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wouldn't have even had the chance. They have just introduced rules to

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protect about a million workers from work e-mail outside office hours

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between 9.00am and 6.00pm. Employees will have to switch off their work

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phones and e-mails. We tried to talk to a French guest about this but

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they weren't answering their devices. What could they have been

:46:24.:46:26.

doing instead? Bon N uit! Temperatures falling sharply

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outside, a chilly start to Friday morning. Cloudy across parts of the

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Midlands and East Anglia, early showers, mist

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Laura Kuenssberg.

Nigel Evans is found not guilty, Greece returns to the bond market and Akram Khan talks about choreographing part of the London 2012 opening ceremony.


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