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As many of you know I have gone through 11 months of hell. Cleared,

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Nigel Evans, the former Deputy Speaker, another very public

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prosecution of sex offences fails, but one of the men who testified in

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the case tells Newsnight he feels humiliated. And parliament has to

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change. Even though we work in one big building together, there was no

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mechanism to deal with this problem. There still isn't. We will be

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talking live to Nigel Evans' lawyer. The drug meant to protect us from a

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flu pandemic might not work. The research on Tamiflu is finally out

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in the open. Remember this? Two years since Greece nearly crashed

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out of the euro, but today the markets actually want to buy up its

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debts, is it time to call off the crisis.

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We will ask a former MP and one of Gordon Brown's key business

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advisers. A... 80,000 people went quiet, the

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silence of 80,000 people is very loud. Dancer Akram Khan tells us how

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terrifying it was to choreograph the Olympics.

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After the journey from the speaker's chair to the dock, Nigel Evans says

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nobodying will the same again. The MP was cleared of charges of sexual

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offences against seven young men, on the steps of the court he said there

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was no young women. A deliberate echo of the Coronation Street car,

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Bill Roache, cleared of similar charges earlier this year. As

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another high-profile case fails to secure conviction as wave of

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Conservative MPs are calling for change at the Crown Prosecution

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Service service, one of the seven men at the centre of the case he

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feels has told Newsnight feels angry.

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In my darkest and loneliest times there were only two or one sets of

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foot prints in the sand. For those of you of fate will know, they

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weren't mine. The fact is I have work to do. It is the work that I

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have done for the last 22 years. Nigel Evans burst into tears as he

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was cleared of all charges at Preston Crown Court, he stood in the

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dock, hands clasped, listening as each of the nine "not guilty"

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verdicts were read out in turn. Mr Nigel Evans was elected Deputy

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Chairman of ways and means. In 2010 he was one of three MPs elected to

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the high-profile role of Deputy Speaker, he stepped down last

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September to fight the charges of sexual assault and rape. The

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56-year-old was alleged to have used his political influence to take

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advantage of young male victims, often while drunk, often in bars and

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clubs near the House of Commons. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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our Prime Minister, David Cameron. Following today's not guilty verdict

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the Prime Minister led a long line of MPs offering their backing. It is

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hard to imagine the relief that Nigel must feel after such a

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traumatic time. I very much welcome what he said on the steps of the

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court and I think everyone should pay heed to that. I'm sure to get on

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with working with his constituents in the Ribble Valleys and for the

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future I'm sure it is something he will be discussing with the Chief

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Whip when he returns to parliament. But on the Internet and across

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Westminster there was also sharp criticism of both the police and the

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CPS, both in private and in public, many Tory MPs were asking how this

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case ever got to court in the first place. In truth it wasn't long after

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this trial started that the prosecution case started to fall

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apart. Witnesses changed their Tories in the dock, victims gave

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contradictory evidence. One accuser, a young university student said he

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had been drinked champagne and gin at the MP's local pub and his home

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last year. He told police he was pushed into the bedroom and forcibly

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undressed by Evans, in court he said there was no pushing, he had taken

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off his own clothes and passed up the chance to sleep in daven room.

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Three of the seven men called to give evidence against Evans didn't

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want the MP arrested or charged in the first place. One said: To be

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honest I didn't think there were any grounds to be charged: I

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Decisions to prosecute are made on paper, somebody has to look at the

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wider picture. If you have an individual that doesn't want to come

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to court for whatever reason, the wider picture may be that the whole

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case depends on lots of individuals. You can't give the decision

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necessarily to an individual witness as a prosecutor you have to look at

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the case as whole. Today the police defended the decision to bring

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charges, saying they have to investigate no matter what role the

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accused hold. We worked with the Crown Prosecution Service at an

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early stage, and all the evidence was subject to careful scrutiny

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before a decision was taken to charge. Particularly where

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complainants didn't see themselves as victims. Only after very careful

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consideration was the decision made to put this before a jury and the

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belief that there was sufficient evidence to justify a realistic

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prospect of conviction. Today's emphatic not guilty verdict may be a

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huge relief to Nigel Evans. But the detail of went on in bars in Soho

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are embarrassing to the MP, during the case he admitted to making

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repeated passes to younger staff. One of the victims said he didn't

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see it was a criminal offence, but there may be something about the

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culture of parliament that made this possible. He said at some point

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there will be a major Skandia that will make -- scandal that will make

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this case look like small fry. There is a new Code of Conduct following

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the Evans case, but it is entirely voluntary, another bullying advice

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line for parliamentary staff is being launched. Those who have

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worked in parliament say the pressures of the job can often leave

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people alone and vulnerable. I think after a while people end up

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in many, many occasions drinking too much, I think that naturally because

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of the late hours they stay away from their family and their staying

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on -- they are staying on their own in Westminster, they get lonely in

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the job. They end up having strong bonds with a researcher because they

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are working crazy hours together, hours which are stressful. You put

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that together and this is a sense in which people form relationships

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which are perhaps inappropriate, they end up having affairs because

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they are way from home and drinking too much and having a lifestyle that

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isn't perhaps a healthy lifestyle. Nigel Evans left court cleared of

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any wrongdoing, he acknowledged from today his life was never going to be

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the same again. Reforming the heavy drinking high-pressure culture of

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Westminster could take a good while longer.

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Earlier tonight I spoke to one of the men who made the allegations

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about Mr Evans. He wanted to remain anonymous. But I asked him first how

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did he feel about today's verdict? I'm really angry, I was a bit upset

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at first but I have just been really angry all afternoon, I have not been

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able to do any work. What are you angry about? I'm angry because I

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felt when I went to give evidence and I was cross-examined it was, I

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knew it was going to be difficult, but I found it very humiliating and

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degrading. How did it make you feel when you were in the witness box,

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being spoken to in that way? I felt like I, I can remember the defence

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barrister smiling when he would trip me up by words saying what did I

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mean by this and that. It was confusing and scary. Why didn't you

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go to the police at the time? The next day I got on the train home and

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I did Google sort of Victim Support. I didn't find much for men and I was

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very conscious of the fact that because he was a public figure what

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this would mean with it being in the press and in the papers. The fact

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that I used to work in parliament so even though I would get anonymity,

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everyone of my old friends would know and I didn't want people to

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know, but eventually I decided that something I had to do something. I

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thought that it might happen again. There was a message that went to

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party whips earlier on about his behaviour and you had been working

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in parliament, do you feel that the parties took it seriously at the

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time. I don't think any of the main parties know what to do. The strange

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thing about parliament is they make the laws but they don't like any,

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they don't like a place of business. They don't have a HR department, our

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bosses are technically as it were self-employed and we are all small

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businesses so we have, even though we work in one big buiing together,

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there was no mechanism to deal with this problem. There still isn't. So

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you were too scared of the potential public ramifications if you told the

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police? And the political parties you didn't feel would take it

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seriously enough. No, I know that the, they were certainly aware that

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MPs and young 20-something researchers who are vulnerable

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because they fear for their careers and all the hard work that they do

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can be just thrown away in an instant, and I think a lot of

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people, senior people count on that, that it can be brushed under the

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carpet. Do you accept though that different people have different

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interpretations of what is acceptable, especially in a

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highly-charged environment, when there is a lot of alcohol around?

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Yeah. There are some young researchers who certainly enjoy the

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contact that they get. And that is entirely up to them. But there are

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plenty, if not most who don't appreciate that at all, and they

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just want to work and they got into politics that they want to change

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the world. But they find that when they get there they have got to put

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up with a lot of stuff. Some of the witnesses in this case

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I know if you are a defence barrister that is your job, I don't

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feel like my evidence changed, think when I properly spoke to the police

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and gave my interview, that was recorded, from then on you know my

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line was very clear. I think. So that's my opinion on that. There

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have been suggestions some of this was some kind of plot? I don't

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understand the logic behind that. I have lost everything in this last

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year and had to slowly rebuild my life, I had ambitions for a

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political career after working in parliament and I don't see that as a

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real possibility any more. It has taken me almost a year to get a new

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job outside of politics. Mr Evans said there was

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If cases are going to be prosecuted by more senior barristers, larger

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police resources, which may well be appropriate, because serious

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complaints such as rape should be properly investigated, of course

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they should. The defence need that equality of arms to combat them.

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Fortunately Mr Evans was able to pay for private legal fees. Many people

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KRNTHS and the attack on Legal Aid will see continued miscarriages of

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justice in the future. What would you like to see change in the

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systems, there is a lot of calls for anonymity of defendants in these

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cases, would you support that? There is a view that a lot of people came

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forward about the Savile case, because they had seen it on

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television. There are many, many protections that are forwarded,

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afforded sorry, to the genuine victims of sexual assaults. They are

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guaranteed anonymity for life. Defendants are not guaranteed any

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anonymity. There is a strong view amongst many defence lawyers that

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anonymity should be guaranteed up to the point that somebody is

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convicted. Just briefly, I'm afraid we are running out of time, briefly

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Mr Evans spoke outside the court, and he did through the course of the

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trial admit to some behaviour that many people would find

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inappropriate. Does he accept that he did anything wrong, do you think?

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Mr Evans is a single man, he had close friendships with people ooh if

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we take anybody's life and lay it out in front of a court of law,

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under the microscope of the media things will come out. He's a decent

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man, he's a decent politician, he cares deeply about his constituents,

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and I wish him a long career in parliament. Thank you very much

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indeed for joining us from Salford tonight. Now, the drugs don't work!

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Or at least that's the claim made today. The Government has already

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paid almost ?5 million for stockpiles of the antiviral Tamiflu,

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bought up when there were fears of a bird flu pandemic that could wipe

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out hundreds of thousands of people. But a group of searchers has today

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said it doesn't actually prevent the spread of flu or reduce dangerous

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complay mytations -- complication and has little more effect than

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taking paracetamol. Are they right? It has taken time to come to this

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conclusion because the drug company refused legally to hand over their

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data. What is going on? How can you spend more than ?400

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million on a drug that just doesn't seem to work terribly well. That, it

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seems, it what the last British Government did. From 2006 it built

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up a stockpile of Tamiflu, a drug for people who have the flu, to help

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the country in the event of a major pandemic. But the Cochrane

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Collaboration, announced today it believes Tamiflu may be of very limb

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-- limited, while they found it would shorten flu symptoms by half

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way. There was no good evidence to support claims it reduced admissions

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to hospital. It announced increased risk of suffering from nausea and

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vomiting after taking the drug. The big question is why we ended up

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buying so much Tamiflu. Governments have always had the responsibility

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to deal with contagious diseases. I'm here at the site of the Soho

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cholera epidemic. That was pretty easy to solve. All the omissions had

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to do was take the handle off water pump. Flu, however, is much harder

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to deal with. Many think of the flu as a few days in bed. It is however

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a fast growing disease, if it morphs into a particular strain it can

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cause devastation. The so called Spanish flu killed 228,000 British

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people. The purchase of Tamiflu was fuelled by fear of a repeat. What if

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a bird flu turned into a lethal human disease? The Government's risk

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register noted that a new flu pandemic might cause 750,000 deaths.

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Would the emergency services cope if, as the worst case scenario

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planning implied, one in five people were too sick to work? Tamiflu was

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insurance against a catastrophe. But why did the British Government not

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look at the evidence that the Cochrane researchers were looking at

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before deciding to buy all the Tamiflu. They couldn't, the company

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that makes Tamiflu only recently released the data. I think the most

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extraordinary thing here is in refusing to hand over this

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information for half a decade, they broke no law. And in fact that's

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really the problem here. Our regulatory framework is broken and

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drug companies and researchers are routinely and legally withholding

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vitally important information about the results on clinical trials in

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treatments we used to. Doctors, researchers and patients can't make

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informed decisions about which treatment is best as long as this is

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permitted. We need clear legislation to ensure all trials on all the

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treatments currently being used are made fully, publicly available. So

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why does that missing trial data matter? So let as imagine I'm trying

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to sell a new fictional drug. I perform lots of tests and I get all

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of these results for it. That vertical line there, that is the

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average result. Now, let's imagine I don't publish all the results. By

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hiding some of the data I can shift the average. Or suppose I publish

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all of the results but I don't publish that generated them. And

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what if my research wasn't totally air tight? The real effects might be

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different from the one that is I'm claiming. And that is what the

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Cochrane research essay they came to when they looked at the data on

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Tamiflu. That conclusion is strongly rejected by Roche who insist it is a

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vital treatment for flu. Senior he officials in the department say it

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was still the right decision to stockpile Tamiflu. They say it might

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not be strong enough but when you are worried about pandemics you get

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all the help you can get. We invited guests into the studio but nobody

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was available. I'm joined by one of the writers report, and the

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Professor of Experimental Medicine at Imperial College. You advised the

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Government on this issue, what is the point of spending hundreds of

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millions on Tamiflu if it doesn't work that well? It is important to

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recognise it does work under some circumstances. It doesn't probably

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work under some of the circumstances when we use it. But if it is used

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early there is no doubt it is an effective antiviral drug. But the

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researchers have gone through every piece of data and every review and

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survey on the drug, and are you sure we shouldn't have any reservations

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at all and say we have to have it and haven't got an option. We spend

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?500 million on it. We have to ask Carl on t the review they have done

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is a very useful thorough piece of work where they have looked at not

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all the data, all the published work, and new evidence that has come

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to light. I'm very pleased that has been done. Which the drug company

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held on to for five years? That im think that the evidence that

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Tamiflu is a good drug to prevent that sort of severe disease is

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rather strong. That wasn't what the new study was about. Are you

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actually saying we should scrap using this drug? Yes, I am saying

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that. What we have a difference of opinion here is I'm talking to you

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about the gold standard evidence, randomised contr trials. What Peter

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is talking about observational data, what he sees on the ground. That is

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a much lower level of evidence. That shouldn't be used to establish

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treatment effectiveness. We have learned that over the last 30 years,

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that is where we have established the Cochrane collaboration. The drug

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isn't as effective as it might be, isn't it better than nothing in a

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serious situation? What was shown in 2005 is in the UN report there would

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be many deaths, only 90 worldwide at that point. Since that time we

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purchased 14 million doses of the drug. We have had continual concerns

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over flu. The unintended consequences is increase in

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emergency admissions out of hours going through the roof. What should

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happen if we use it in an intensive care population, which is an

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interesting trial, we should do the clinical trials for that population.

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It should be a non-manufacturer trial, but a publicly-funded trial,

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that would provide the answer. To use observational data is

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misleading. He says you're misleading? I don't think it is,

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there are different standards of trial, and the standards that Carl

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is asking for are the highest possible standards. The trouble is

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if you restrict your evidence gathering to only those studies that

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pass your very, very narrow, highest, most stringent standards,

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you throw out a lot of useful information that may reflect better

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the way in which he ought to be using these drugs. I agree this is

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the gold standard and what we should be aspiring to, but in reality it is

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so difficult to get public funding for studies of this sort. I would

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love that to be easier. That is not the case, the UK has a budget of ?1.

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4 billion year. What you are vague is not practice evidence-based

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evidence, let's practice what we see, observation, and opinion. It is

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clear can you do clinical trials in high-risk populations, we have done

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it with people on the roadside when they have traffic accidents. We did

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a trial of steroids shown to be harmful. We do need to do the

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clinical trials. However, if we only find it useful in that small

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population, which is important. And the immunosuppressed population, why

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are we stockpiling it for all of us in the community. It doesn't make

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sense. Use the money to do the important clinical trials. I totally

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agree, we have to do evidence-based medicine, we have to do the proper

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studies, lots of things which we thought were really beneficial we

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have thrown out. Do you agree we should stop stockpiling? Absolutely,

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I was on the panel that ultimately agreed we ought to stockpile. I

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think we have to remember we were stockpiling against an eventuality

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that was much more severe than what developed in 2009/10: Should we get

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more Tamiflu just in case? It would be irresponsible for us not to have

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a stockpile. If one of these highly pat though -- pathogenic strains

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arrives, it is not that we will use it but a sensible precaution. After

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five years to get the data from Roche, it is essential all the

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research is given to researchers. What would you feel if we just carry

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on buying Tamiflu? I think what's happening and the problem is, if we

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keep buying Tamiflu we are stopping do the research and it is blocking

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innovation to come to the best strategies. We should use that money

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to come up with alternative strategies. You can't just go let's

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have a fear approach to healthcare. We cannot afford to do that. We must

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leave it there I am afraid. Thank you very much. You might not quite

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be in time to start smashing the plates in celebration, but the put

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upon population of Greece has something to cheer about, their

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economy. The country today reentered the bond market. In other words

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Greece looks a good enough bet for financial types who want to buy up

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their debt. That means they are trusted enough to be able to pay it

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back one day. Can we call off the euro crisis at last. I'm joined from

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Athens by an economist who was a member of the Greek parliament until

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a couple of years ago. And a Government minister and adviser to

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Gordon Brown. Firstly to Athens, does it feel where you are like it

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might be time to call off the crisis? No, I think that would be

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completely irresponsible to say, and no-one, even those extremely happy

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about the news today would even dare to even think something like that.

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We're really far away from saying that the crisis is over. This is

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just a movement that generate, if you wish, a positive signals in the

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market that we are some how on the right track. We could have done

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without it we never the less decided to go ahead with the issue, and that

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is pretty much what it is so far. We should be with our heads between our

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shoulders. Two years ago we were talking still about the potential

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collapse of the eurozone. Greece looked like it was in massive,

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massive problems. Nobody could have dreamt then they would be returning

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to the markets 24-months later. Surely this is a corner being

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turned? Yes, it means that for two years now all the European Union

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organisations got together and tried to guarantee as much as they could

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the coalition of the 17 member states of the eurozone so we would

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not have one of the members fall out, and as a result the breakdown

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of the euro. And today really what it shows, it is not just the

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issuance of the Greek bond to the market, but really an issuance of

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the European Union reforms that have been taking place for the last two

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years that basically guarantee the fact that if ever Greece would have

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a problem the organisations and institutions of the zone, the

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eurozone are strong enough to handle it. With borrowing costs falling for

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Greece and many of the European countries, does this show that

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essentially the central banks have just solved it by issuing blank

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cheques, or has austerity worked? I think it is more a reflection of the

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state of the European, rather than the state of Greece or some other

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countries. Some countries have done fatastically well in their reforms,

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for example Ireland. But really I think what the market is showing its

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confidence in is Mario Dragi saying he would do whatever it takes. The

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head of the European Central Bank? Yes. I don't think it is a vote of

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confidence in the economic measures. The crisis has gone from the acute

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to the chronic. There is extremely long road ahead of reforms. The real

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economy is still suffering. I mean Greece has had 25%, a quarter of its

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GDP wiped out. It has unemployment, one in two young people, more than

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one in two young people are unemployed. It actually has

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deflation, which make its debt burden higher. The debt burden is

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essentially unsolvable. It may have liquidity but it is unsolvable. When

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there was those rumours of Greece crashing out of the currency with

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unknown contagion, it is a better position that people thought we

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would be in now? Of course it is a much better position. Because the

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existential part of the crisis is over. However, the real crisis that

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people feel, you know, the one in four people who are unemployed, the

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fact that there is a debt burden, there is still going to have to be a

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restructured of the debt to make it affordbling. What is the feeling

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amongst people who live there, who are not paying attention to what the

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bond markets are up to. What is the feeling of the population? I took a

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taxi to come to the studio here and I was asking about that myself. I

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also walked around to just let you know that there is not very much of

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a feeling, neither of happiness nor of sadness. It is kind of neutral.

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Very well said, we have about 60% plus youth unemployment, 30% regular

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unemployment, Greeks have lost 30% of their GDP, as long as liquidity

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in the market is not out there, and people don't feel that they have a

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present let alone a future. I don't think it is appropriate to suggest

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that anyone down the road is going to be feeling any happiness about

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the issuance of bonds today. Is there any sense of gratitude to the

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rest of Europe for writing those blank cheques. Angela Merkel the

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German leader in Greece tomorrow, she was massively attacked and

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treated with huge hostility previously, will she be, maybe not

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welcomed, but perhaps at least tolerated when she visits tomorrow

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do you think? I think there is a big misunderstanding here, and several

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degrees of separation between the citizen down the street and Angela

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Merkel and the troika and the west. What I'm trying to say is that

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basically our problem in Greece is a structural problem. We have a broken

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productive system, and we haven't really done very much to reform

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that. This is what you do see daily in the streets, you see still an

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overly bureaucratic market, an overly bureaucratic economy that

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stifle, if you like, innovation, entrepeneurship, and the rather

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unpredictable rules that change every day about three new taxes

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indicators that are changing every single day that stifles people's

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ability to do any type of activity, that is very much the view out

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there. That is the view from Athens, but how will we however know when

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there has been success, if it is not the markets being confident enough

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to think that Greeks will pay their debts back, which is a big step, how

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will we know when everything is fine? First of all I'm not saying,

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and I don't think anybody said that the markets are confident enough to

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think that the Greek also pay their debt back. The they are confident

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enough to believe that the European Union and the ECB will stand behind

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the Greek debt. There is only one test at the end of it which is

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employment, growth, investment. And the lives of real people. That is

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when we will know. By the way that will be years, if not longer,

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decades perhaps. Thank you very much . Juliette Binoche and Kylie Minogue

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aren't too shabby as partners on the potential dance floor, Akram Khan,

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one of the best-loved British choreographers has worked with them

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both, as well as a host of other stars. Khan, who trained as a

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traditional Indian dancer is breaking new ground with a show he

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devised with the English National Ballet. We have been to take a look.

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There are many different layer that is we have to touch upon. And the

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poetic body, the spiritual body. The politic Kalt body, the message --

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political body, the message you are getting through that body, it is not

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just an athletic body, a religious body. Akram Khan, dancing the lead

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in his own piece, Dust, at the Barbican in London. He's joined by

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tap ma a Roho of the English National Ballet. It is an unusual

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collaboration for a man with a background in Indian dance. But then

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it is an unusual work, about the First World War. I was fascinated

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about the idea of women moving from, you know, bei regarded as housewives

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to suddenly being workers in a factory. They had to build

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ammunition, weapons and lots of different things, they had to look

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after wounded soldiers. And so the role of women transformed. In

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society, the way society works and that was a pivitol moment for me.

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The interest in me was to reflect through the idea of trenches in the

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Second World War. I don't know if it was all method and you made them

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live in a trench for a week? I would have loved to do that. What a good

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idea! Now we all lead busy lives and don't get to contemporary dance as

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often as we would like. If you are thinking you haven't seen Akram

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Khan's work before, think again. We eventually got on stage, on that

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day and 80,000 people went quiet. The silence of 80,000 people is very

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loud. It is epic. So it was not silence, it was almost distorting in

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your ears. That freaked me out a little bit! In what way, you thought

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my gosh we are at really something special here? Something special and

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if you mess out you don't have a second show to try to rectify it!

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Kicking off the London Games was something the young Akram Khan could

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hardly have dreamt of, the son of Bengali immigrants growing up over

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their restaurant in south London. I never imagined I would be at the

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Olympic, I remember watching the Olympics opening and being

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completely in awe of the ceremonies that we saw, but I never thought I

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would be part of T As dancer and choreographer, Khan's background is

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in a classical Indian tradition. But not exclusively. I was inspired by

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Michael Jackson, Charley chaplain, Bruce Lee, all my heros. A Newsnight

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mash-up, apologies. But as he performs with the English National

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Ballet by night, by day he's here rehearsing a different piece with

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these students from the national youth dance company. They are

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appearing at Sadler's Wells next week. Slow, slow, don't rush me,

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pull me up, even this. It has to feel heavy. You just come out of

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this move. It is amazing to push yourself to your limit and do things

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to more extreme, it is more challenging, it is different to any

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choreography I have done before. There is a lot more to it, something

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deeper. A lot of his work is spiritual. He will come in and say

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something, like a sentence and all of a sudden you have a whole newer P

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pective on what -- new perspective on what the movement is and how it

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should feel. He sheds different light on everything. This group

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disproves the theory that watching YouTube videos makes teenagers idle.

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It is an inspiration. We didn't have that in our time, this group are far

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more advanced than I was when I was 16 for sure. Because they have the

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access through the computer to so many different art forms. But for me

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it is not the final outcome, you know. Y can't learn everything on

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YouTube. From here, again, hold it, more, more, give more to your body.

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You can't get it from a computer, or even from a class. Akram Khan's

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story is that you have to dance to the beat of a different drum. The

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choreography is just the structure for you to get through to the end.

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Between A and B, the beginning and the end. The structure is only there

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for it to be a guide, a Road Map. Almost as amazing as the Olympics

:45:29.:45:35.

ceremony, the front pages just in. The Guardian:

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Perish the thought that you have been checking your work e-mails

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while watching us at the same time. But if you have been in France you

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wouldn't have even had the chance. They have just introduced rules to

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protect about a million workers from work e-mail outside office hours

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between 9.00am and 6.00pm. Employees will have to switch off their work

:46:16.:46:19.

phones and e-mails. We tried to talk to a French guest about this but

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they weren't answering their devices. What could they have been

:46:24.:46:26.

doing instead? Bon N uit! Temperatures falling sharply

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outside, a chilly start to Friday morning. Cloudy across parts of the

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Midlands and East Anglia, early showers, mist

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