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From tea boy to Prime Minister, Mhodi wins a landslide in the | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
world's biggest democracy, what can India and the world expect from such | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
a controversial figure. We ask an Indian historian where he comes | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
from. He may have been hated by the liberals but he soon became the | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
darling of the urban middle-classes of Gujarat. He concentrated on | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
simple things like bringing transparent good governance, rooting | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
out unnecessary bureaucracy, investment and decent he can | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
treesity supply. We will ask what's wrong with him? Where to start, | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
India has dreamed itself a dream, with a mass murderer as its main | :00:46. | :00:55. | |
character. And... I had a girlfriend once called Double Decker, happy for | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
you to play upstairs. The Premier League's premier sexist, this | :01:02. | :01:17. | |
England striker isn't impressed. As a boy he told tea at a railway | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
station. Those close to him say he's so obsessed with personal hygiene he | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
changes clothes four times a day. To others he has blood on his hand. | :01:29. | :01:37. | |
He's Mr Modi. He's India's most devisive politician, he was an | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
international pariah after being implicated in a massacre in Gujarat | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
state in 2002, it left more than 2,000 Muslims dead. Tonight he | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
stands on the vernal of leading the world's largest democracy. In part | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
of the programme we recorded earlier we will hear from a Modi supporter, | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
and one of the observers of Indian life and history, but here is this | :02:02. | :02:11. | |
take on Modi's extraordinary story. India is great country, bursting | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
with youth, beauty and talent. The world's largest democracy, home to | :02:17. | :02:24. | |
850 million voters. So why is it just electing this man, | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
Narendra Modi, an aesthetic and authoritarian Hindu nationalist, | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
with a decidedly murky record with minorities. Man who some say bears | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
the responsibility for the massacre of hundreds of Indian Muslims in | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
2002. The man you see is what you get. A strong man, populist leader | :02:47. | :02:54. | |
of the masses. He's always work on what is beneficial to him. Narendra | :02:55. | :03:03. | |
Modi's early life was associated with a tea stall like this one. His | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
father from the low caste oil cast and didn't have much cash to feed | :03:09. | :03:17. | |
hungry mouths started a chai stall, and in the early mornings Modi used | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
to help his dad before crossing the tracks to go to school. According to | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
the traditions tracks to go to school. According to | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
pushed as a teenager into an arranged marriage. After a month he | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
whacked out, to go on a -- he walked out to go on a pilgrimage to the | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
Himalayas and never came back. When he did he set up a tea stall in a | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
different town, and here he did he set up a tea stall in a | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
under the influence of the far right. He | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
under the influence of the far modelled on the Hitler | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
under the influence of the far moved over to the BJP and moved to | :03:57. | :03:57. | |
New Deli to the headquarters moved over to the BJP and moved to | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
he lived a very austere life in the party headquarters, | :04:02. | :04:02. | |
he lived a very austere life in the from a regional politician into a | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
national figure. The BJP swept to power in India in the 1990s, in the | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
wake of growing religious tension and mass bloodshed between Hindus | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
and Muslim, as the Hindu nationalism movement began to flex its muscles. | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
The destruction of the B temple by Hindu nationalists, whipped into the | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
frenzy by the BJP leaders shocked the world. Ten years later Modi had | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
risen through the ranks to become chief minister of Gujarat. It was on | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
his watch that religious violence erupted again. Over three days of | :04:40. | :04:49. | |
riots hundreds erupted again. Over three days of | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
murdered and thousands erupted again. Over three days of | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
the initial massacre until five hours after it had finished, but | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
the initial massacre until five on camera claiming | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
the initial massacre until five bloodshed had Modi's blessing and | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
the police had been ordered not to intervene. Modi became a pariah. And | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
was banned from entering Britain and America. Indian liberals are | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
frightened of Mr Modi's history of riots in Gujarat. They are | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
frightened of anybody on the right any way, and Mr Modi's much more | :05:22. | :05:29. | |
unabashedly on the right of society, and the economy. That any leader in | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
the BJP has ever been. Modi may have been hated by the liberals but he | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
soon became the darling of the urban middle-classes of Gujarat. He | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
concentrated on simple things like bringing transparent good | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
governance, rooting out unnecessary bureaucracy, bringing investment and | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
a decent supply of electricity. For ten years Gujarat has enjoyed double | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
digit economic growth. And while economists point out that the | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
Gujarat model has done little to alleviate poverty, or improve | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
education, nutrition or health care for the poor, the burgeoning | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
middle-class have given him credit for their rising living standards. | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
It is this rapid growth of other Indians now looking to Modi to | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
unleash across the rest of India. So how will he govern? Will we see Modi | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
unleash across the rest of India. So the technocrat, who only wants to | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
revive India's smutering economy? Or will it be Modi the Hindu | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
nationalist, should Indian liberals and especially India's religious | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
minorities be worried? I think he wants to come back as Prime Minister | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
five years from now. So he will do everything that he possibly can to | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
remain popular five years from now, rather than to polarise the country | :06:43. | :06:51. | |
and allow communal tension to grow or scare away investors. India has | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
today taken a terrific gamble on its future. It has voted into power an | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
Indian equivalent of Pete President Putin, effectively choosing to | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
ignore Modi's record on human rights in return for putting in place a | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
decisive and hugely charismatic leader who millions hope will | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
provide the strong Government and economic management this country is | :07:18. | :07:28. | |
craving. We have our guest with us now and. These are dramatic results, | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
what is the overwhelming reaction across the country? Well, I think | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
one of both exhileration and relief. He can sell racial because I think | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
those who were committed -- exhileration, because those who were | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
committed to the Modi project are absolutely delighted that their | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
efforts have come to such a wonderful fruition, and it is the | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
BJP who have a simple majority on its on and they have 300 seats, much | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
more than any coalition or a single party has ever got since 1984. So it | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
is a great thing. That sense of stability that you actually elected | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
a Government for five years and rather than have to negotiate with | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
fragile coalitions. That sense of relief is also very evident. I think | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
it is a mixture of two moods which are there in Delhi at present. How | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
significant is this in Indian politics in life? Some people are | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
even talking about it being like a second Republic, he is within 30 | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
votes of being able to change the entire Indian constitution. In many | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
ways you could say this is the most significant day in Indian politics | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
almost since partition, or certainly since the emergency. And this is a | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
man who rose from nothing, he was from a low caste, a tea boy at a | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
railway station, what does this say about the mood in India right now? | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Well I think it constituency a very decisive rejection of the politics | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
of entitlement, which marked the Gandhi family's direct or indirect | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
rule for a very long time. I think Congress willy nilly had got to be | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
identified with privilege, with a sense of being born in the right | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
place and Mr Modi, who was incidentally taunted by various | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
Congress supporters as a mere tea boy who could set up a tea shot in | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
the Congress office, used it very adratly droitly to his advantage and | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
managed to convoy the sense that in India there are no glass ceilings | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
and India presents an opportunist society. It is a very good point, in | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
a sense it was as muches the failings of the -- in as much the | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
failings of the Congress that handed this election to Modi. He waged | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
fatastically brilliant campaign, he turned out to be a much better | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
public speaker than anybody thought, and had the ability to whip up large | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
crowds into a frenzy. As we have been hearing, Narendra Modi is one | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
of the India's most devisive politician, his involvement in the | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
2002 Gujarat riots has been especially controversial, one critic | :10:18. | :10:28. | |
is Anish Kapur, I asked him what is wrong with this Indian Prime | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
Minister Narendra Modi? India has dream add dream with a mass murder | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
as its main character, there is something wrong with that. So who am | :10:38. | :10:49. | |
I to say against supposedly democratic politics, but I think we | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
have to watch and see what happens next. The story isn't great. When | :10:54. | :11:02. | |
you say mass murder, what do you mean? I mean a mass murderer, there | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
is an on going trial, Modi claims to have a so called clean chit, he does | :11:08. | :11:18. | |
not. The trial is on going. Huge intimidation of witnesses, etc. | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
That's well documented, I'm not making it up. Modi has a certain | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
authoritarian ability, is that what we need? I grew up in Gandhi's | :11:29. | :11:42. | |
India, Neru's India, Kabir's India Krishna's India. One that spoke of | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
inclusive, gentle, nonviolent approach to all kind of issues. Here | :11:50. | :12:01. | |
we are on the edge of a sectarian, partisan violent approach, which is | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
completely different. But to call him a mass murderer, when he | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
actually hasn't been charged, is far fetched isn't it? I don't think so, | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
I feel this is the way it is. I'm not alone, by the way. There are | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
many, many who have said before me. Let's have a look at his economic | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
policy, because he did run his campaign on business and development | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
and really that shows that's what the Indian people want, the | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
aspiration of jobs, a better economy and stronger economy. His record in | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
Gujarat proves that. It has had a 10% growth, the rest of the country | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
has had a 5% growth? If so called growth is at the cost of Muslims, at | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
the cost of the poor, at the cost of women, at the cost of child | :12:50. | :12:56. | |
undernourishment. 50% of Indian children are undernourished on a | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
daily basis, etc. If that's the cost of 10% growth well then I don't want | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
it. You have just heard what was said there, do you think that | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
India's new Prime Minister has blood on his hands? Well, I'm infuriated | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
by what I heard said, I have a great respect for Mr Kapoor as an artist. | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
But as an artist who tries to dabble in politics I think he gets it all | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
wrong. Firstly, the use of the term "mass murderer", to me appears like | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
an indictment from a kangaroo court. Nobody, there is no on going trial, | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
nobody has accused Mr Modi, there is not even a first information report | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
on it. That is not true, Human Rights Watch released a report | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
saying that Modi's administration was complicit? In India we take our | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
judiciary far more seriously. I think what Anish is referring to the | :13:55. | :14:02. | |
wife of the Congress MP Jafrey, who was killed in the riots, what | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
happened to him lies at the centre of the charges against Modi in 2002. | :14:06. | :14:18. | |
Jafrey was in the colony, he was calling for help, he was calling the | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
police. He was an ex-MP and calling civil servants, police chiefs and | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
no-one was coming to help him. Now the report done by the SIT for the | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
Supreme Court, which cleared Modi of this, which is a controversial | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
report, none the less it is the report submitted to the Supreme | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
Court and commissioned by the Supreme Court. It says the police | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
were in camera the whole day. It is hard to believe he was not told this | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
man was calling. His wife charges that he called Modi and that Modi | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
laughed at him and expressed surprise that he was still alive. | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
How do you respond to that? Well, firstly I respond to it in the way | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
that there has been a full fledged investigation done on it. There is | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
nothing found to incriminate Mr Modi. The attempt was to have Mr | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
Modi charged as a part of a conspiracy to kill him. It did not | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
stand judicial scrutiny. To my mind therefore calling him a mass | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
murderer, on the strength of one allegation is offensive. You reject | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
these comments, but what about Modi's remarks about how he felt | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
about Muslims being killed. He compared it to a puppy being run | :15:36. | :15:43. | |
over? It was a colloquialism. It was a colloquialism to compare Muslims | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
being run over like a puppy? It was a colloquialism that was badly | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
translated and the person who interviewed Mr Modi from Reuters | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
wrote that she found nothing offensive about it and it had been | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
misconstrued. Do you buy that? One could buy it if it was a unique | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
instance of Modi being mistranslated. And you know this to | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
be true, that Mr Modi has not apologised for the riots. He said | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
that he if he apologised when he was guilty of mass murder he should be | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
put on trial and hung. He has made a whole variety of similar statments. | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
He told the New York Times, what does it matter, it is all in the | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
past, it is the future we should look to. Whether we like it or not, | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
it is the future we now have to deal with. He is in power, he has been | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
voted in which a very large number of Indians and I think the hope is | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
that he has left that Hindu nationalism. That is the hope that | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
many people have. Today Mr Modi said he would unite all Indians, given he | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
is so devisive, do you think he can do that? He's not devisive, certain | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
people have painted him to be devisive. He has always maintained | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
the campaign as economic development for all Indians. Just because he | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
does not mention particular sectarian appeals he does not divide | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
Indians into Hindus, Muslims and others. That is why you call him | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
devisive? I would say he's great unifier because he's trying to make | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
a composite citizenship. And development at the end of the day, | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
if you get development, if you get progress, if you get growth, it is | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
not merely for Hindus or a particular community. It is for | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
everybody. It is for all castes and communities. We will have to leave | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
it there, thank you both for joining us on Newsnight. | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
Here there is less than a week to go before local and European elections. | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
One party is dominating the coverage so far, UKIP, but they weren't the | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
only insurgents out there. The Green Party first made waves in European | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
elections 25 years ago, but their progress since has been some what | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
stop-start. After the 2010 general election some believed the party had | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
a golden opportunity, they had secured their first MP, they took | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
control of their first council the following year, and, with a centre | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
left vote fleeing the Liberal Democrats, a space seemed to have | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
opened up for a fourth party of the radical left. Things have turned out | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
rather differently. It is UKIP on the right rather than the Greens on | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
the left who have made their breakthrough. At the last local | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
elections UKIP gained 139 councillors, the Greens a mere five. | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
They are currently polling at around 4% in national opinion polls, | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
although the picture for the European elections looks a little | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
rowsier. -- rosier. With one poll putting the Greens ahead of the Lib | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
Dems. They are not afraid of making bold promises, a living wage, the | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
abolition of tuition fees and an end to fracking is part of the Green | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
message. The question is under their newish leader Natalie Benefit and | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
the centre vote uniting around the Labour Party, whether the Greens can | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
break out of the polling. I'm joined by Natalie Bennett, the leader of | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
the Green Party. When it comes to Europe are you closer to th European | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
mind set or UKIP? We very much want to remain in Europe, we also say yes | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
to a referendum, because we trust in democracy. That was not the | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
question, are you closer to the mind set or UKIP? I'm not sure about the | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
mind set, we are wanting to remain in the European Union, it provides a | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
foundation of standards, standards of rights, standards of consumer | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
rights, human rights and environmental standards. You only | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
have to look at the polls to see who is closer to the European mind set, | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
what people are thinking, what they are more connected with? If you look | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
at the last poll on whether or not people would vote to remain in | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
Europe in-out referendum it was a clear majority, 54%. These polls | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
speak for themselves, 26% for UKIP, Greens 10%? We have seen a lot of | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
dissatisfied voters on the right, understandably, people are fed up | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
with the three largest parties. And dissatisfied voters on the left as | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
well. Let's lock at Europe as a whole. Is it true though that if you | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
vote Greens you are voting for more regulation from Brussels? Very much | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
not. We very much support the principle of subsidiarity, written | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
into the Lisbon Treaty, local decisions should be made locally, we | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
want a reformed Europe, but we need 180 degrees different from David | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
Cameron, we want a Europe working for people not multinational | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
companies. We can't look at everything, but looking at your | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
policies, this call for a directive on minimum income, What what does | :20:44. | :20:54. | |
this mean? You should earn enough money to live on. How much are you | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
looking from? We are talking in terms of Britain, in London ?8. 80 | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
an hour. Is this wage or guaranteed income? This is a wage we are | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
talking about. Is it conditional? We need to separate two things which I | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
think perhaps have got confused. Conditional or unconditional? He | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
want to make the minimum wage a living wage for people working. In | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
the long-term we are looking at a basic income which would be the idea | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
that everyone had sufficient money to live on. So the tax-payers will | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
have to fork out. Where is the incentive to work here? It is | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
interesting in Switzerland they will have a referendum on this, it is the | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
principle if you are a member of society you should have access to | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
resources to feed yourself, put a roof over your head. The fact that | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
Britain, the world's sixth richest country, last year one million | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
people depended on charity from food banks. If you vote for greens, you | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
have said pay for taxes? We are looking at your record in Brighton | :21:55. | :22:02. | |
where you wanted to impose an almost 5% tax, when you couldn't through | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
the referendum you pushed as much as you could which was 2%? I pick up | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
the word "impose", we wanted to pick up with the people of Brighton that | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
austerity had gone too far, and paying for the fraud of the bankers | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
was being laid far too much on the poor and disadvantaged, we wanted | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
that 5% council tax rise to pay for social care. What does success look | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
for yo We only need a swing of 1. 6% in the proportional representation | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
in the elections on Europe to treble our MEPs. Ahead of the Lib Dems? I'm | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
confident we will see the Lib Dem is tanking their vote. I'm up | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
confident we will see the Lib Dem is re-election in September it will be | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
up for the Green Party members to decide where | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
up for the Green Party members to They were meant to | :22:51. | :22:52. | |
up for the Green Party members to between friends, but do chief | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
executive of the Premier between friends, but do chief | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
Richard Scudamore's e-mails reveal how deeply entrenched sexism is in | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
football. He has apologised but is under pressure to resign. Should | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
private e-mails end a public career. After a season in which ten Premier | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
League managers have parted company with their clubs over on-the-field | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
matters, there are growing calls for the league's chief executive to | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
leave his post too. Richard Scudamore, dishing out medals to | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
champions Manchester City last weekend is in trouble over private | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
e-mails he sent on his work account. In the e-mails, which were leaked to | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
a newspaper by his former PA, he wrote: | :23:43. | :24:03. | |
team condemned Mr Scudamore's remarks. It is not just | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
made. And however jokey he was trying to be with that, it | :24:11. | :24:21. | |
made. And however jokey he was totally unacceptable in this day and | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
age. Mr Scudamore has apologised, but it is emerging he wrote to the | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
chairman of the Premier League clubs asking them if they found his | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
comments sexist. Until yesterday I thought he might be able to ride | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
comments sexist. Until yesterday I if he apologised properly. But now, | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
especially given the revelation about his e-mail to the chairman | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
especially given the revelation think his position is untenable. A | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
Premier League panel will decide next week whether to take action | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
against Mr Scudamore. If the final whistle has not already blown on his | :24:52. | :24:52. | |
career by then. I'm whistle has not already blown on his | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
the women's whistle has not already blown on his | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
footballer, and a member of Campaign Group Women in Football, and Claire | :25:06. | :25:07. | |
Fox from the Institute of Group Women in Football, and Claire | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
Shouldn't man who says these sorts of things and has the kind of | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
responsibility he has take responsibility for his words Claire? | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
He can take responsibility for his words but I think an important | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
principle is at stake here, which is I do think we should be able to | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
distinguish between what is said privately and | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
distinguish between what is said I think that even despite his gross, | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
distinguish between what is said crude, sexism, not the kind of guy I | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
will invite round to dinner some time soon, but nonetheless he said | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
these privately. If all of the things we all said privately in | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
e-mails or confidences we shared were made public, probably | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
us couldn't face the day. Not because we say things like that, but | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
because there has to be a place where you can speak off the record. | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
So that's what I want to defend, it is a very important point, I'm not | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
prepared to let this idiot's ill-spoken e-mails mean that we | :26:03. | :26:04. | |
sacrifice something which is going to affect all of us very seriously, | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
dangerously. Do you agree with Claire, these were just jokes | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
between friends, and they weren't for the public arena? I agree | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
partially in the idea that there should be a private sphere for | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
people to say what they feel like saying, however I think there needs | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
to be you know a differenciation between what is said privately and | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
publicly, this was a work e-mail that was exchanged and seen by a PA | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
working in her working capacity. So I think that's the case here. This | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
is something that Mr Scudamore said in his capacity as chief executive | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
of the Premier League and it was on a work e-mail. That is a technical | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
point, he wasn't intending it to be a public e-mail. It is not a | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
technical point, the e-mails are the property of the Premier League, they | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
were circulated between colleagues at the Premier League, they were | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
about, in particular, one female colleague at the Premier League, and | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
the person who viewed those e-mail, rather than being seen as the | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
perpetrator who should be punished for leaking those e-mails she was a | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
victim, she was instructed to access those e-mails as part of her daily | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
job, instead she was confronted with all this sexism and she was really | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
upset. If it came from a private e-mail should it get this attention? | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
It didn't come from a private e-mail. The point is this is a | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
person who in his professional capacity has publicly pledged, if it | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
had come from a private e-mail and -- If it had come from a private | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
e-mail would you have felt the same way? You can't argue about those | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
sorts of things. It was on a work e-mail and he has made extremely big | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
gestures about discrimination and equality, and that is the basis. | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
Isn't that fascinating, one of the things I have no interest in this | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
particular individual, one of the things is in the public sphere he | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
seems to have done huge amounts for women's football, which is the | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
professional basis on which I would want to hold him to account and for | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
the Premier League. That is the point, that publicly there is a | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
disparity. But there is a disparity between a lot of the way that I am | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
publicly and the way I am privately, as with us all. Now that it is out | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
and people are aware of his views. It is out because it has become de | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
rigueur that we take things to newspapers, we take private | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
information put into the public domain. I'm saying can we just stop | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
a moment and think of the consequences that every time we | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
write an e-mail that we consider to be going to mates, or off the | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
record, that it is going to be on the front page of the newspaper. We | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
will behave, it will be a tyranny, we would never, ever be frank. Do | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
you think we are taking political correctness too far? That is one of | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
those cliches I'm nervous of. What I do think is we have a situation | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
whereby we are frightened, we are talking on egg shell, even when we | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
are talking off the report, I don't think we are able to cultivate | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
ourselves as individuals or be honest, ever. If this was a race | :29:09. | :29:15. | |
e-mail would it be different? I don't think it would be, | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
discrimination is discrimination. Would he have been forced to, would | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
they have taken swift action against him? That is a speculative question, | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
but I think it is a concern for me that there is not different ranks of | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
discrimination, discrimination is discrimination, the argument whether | :29:32. | :29:38. | |
if it was a racist e-mail or anti-semetic, would it have been | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
dealt with more strongly, possibly yes. Any e-mail that comes out, | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
people should lose their jobs? You have to put everything into context, | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
I'm making a point about the private sphere and the distinction between | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
the public, I'm not here to say if it was about women it is not as | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
serious as race issue, that would be ludicrous. I think it portrays | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
attitudes I don't like, there is lots of people who have attitudes I | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
don't like that express them privately. That is the point I'm | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
making, if he stood up making a speech arguing this, fine, I do not | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
think at the moment we should drive him out of his job. That is not for | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
me to say. I think you know there are policies in place, the Premier | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
League are signed up. What do you think will happen to him? I think | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
there is policies in place that will lead to protocols and a decision | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
will be made. Again it is not for me to say. But I think obviously we are | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
disappointed in somebody in that capacity saying such sexist things. | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
Thank you very much all for joining us. That's all for this week. As | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
Downing Street ponders the best format for the election TV debates, | :30:48. | :30:54. | |
we leave you with the republican primaries in Idaho, where they are | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
less fussy about who takes part. David and Ed take note. Thank you so | :31:01. | :31:06. | |
much your closing remarks. I was living in Fat Jack's Cellar because | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
my wife had restraining orders out. I have 77 defendants. Fat Jack's | :31:14. | :31:21. | |
wife said get this lunatic out of my cellar. I think half of the | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
democrats are lunatics. My Bible says it will get worse and worse and | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
worse, I said do you mind putting that in writing, he said sure and he | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
put it in writing and I have the original at home. It is time to get | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
out, thank you for the time tonight, and thank you | :31:41. | :31:51. | |
for watching and we will see at the poll. | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
Good evening to you, in the last few days we have been advertising some | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
very warm weather heading for the weekend and the | :32:02. | :32:02. |