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The Government runs out of patience with the Police Federation. Evening | :00:00. | :00:17. | |
all, I'm the mug tonight. It tells it to pull itself together or be | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
pulled together. The Home Secretary cuts some of the public money it | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
receives, but why should it get any at all. We tour the high and low of | :00:27. | :00:39. | |
Europe who meet the bunch of people you have never heard of to meet | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
those who want to be the President of the EU. Do many people know your | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
policies? That is not the problem, they have to taken a interest in | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
what we are proposing, I'm not running after the electorate. Can an | :00:54. | :01:01. | |
inadequate cake be the reason for a footballer to quit his club. There | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
is nothing wrong with the report, it is my rider, if you look there it | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
explicitly says no brown ones! Two years ago when the Home Secretary | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
went to the Police Federation annual conference in Bournemouth she was | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
met with jeeres and boos. Today when she went to the same event she stuck | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
it to them. The standing of the Police Federation could hardly be | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
lower and today she told them if they didn't improve there would be | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
laws to make them improve. For good measure, not that they will notice | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
very much given the tens of millions they are sitting on, she will cut | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
the grant they get from the taxpayer. | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
It was a speech watched in near silence by the 2,000 officers in the | :01:50. | :01:59. | |
room. This is my fifth... Theresa May has never enjoyed a warm | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
relationship with the Police, this was not the day to build bridges. We | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
have seen accusations of bullying a lack of transparency in the | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
accounts, tactical campaign, huge reserve funds worth millions of | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
pounds and a resounding call for change from your members. It would | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
be the easiest thing in the world for me to turn a blind eye to these | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
matters. To let things go on as they are, to deny the need for change. It | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
would be the easy thing to do, but it would also be the wrong thing to | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
do. The Home Secretary reeled off a list of police scandals, from | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
Hillsborough to Stephen Lawrence, to plebgate, it was a forceful speech | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
and the tone left some in the audience angry. Lots of public | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
sector bodies under various Governments have gone through | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
significant changes very quickly and it goes very wrong. You can't hand | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
brake turn an aircraft carrier. I sat there and listened and didn't | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
have a prepared question, I listened to everything you say, I would like | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
to thank you, I know it doesn't correct but through 21 years of | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
front line service I faced everything, including being | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
attacked, hospitalised, saving lives, and for six years of | :03:22. | :03:29. | |
full-time Fed Rep I represent every officer who suffers in the way I | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
have. I have never had such an attack and personal kicking as every | :03:34. | :03:43. | |
comment from what you said then. (Applause) It is almost two years | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
since then Chief Whip, Andrew Mitchell, was stopped outside the | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
gates of Downing Street, when it emerged that PC Keith Wallis lied | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
about his part in the row, it set off a whole chain of events that | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
left the federation damaged. A review called bad behaviour, poor | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
treatment of staff and hoarding of financial information. MPs also | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
criticised the federation's ?26 million headquarters in Kent, with | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
its own swimming pool and hotel. Last month the chairman and General | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
Secretary said they would step down after what was described as a | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
worrying loss of confidence in the organisation. As a result the Home | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
Secretary said today that ?190,000 of public funding, to pay the | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
salaries of the federation's top officials will be stopped. Police | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
officers will have to opt in to federation membership rather than | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
being automatically enrolled, and the organisation will have to open | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
up all its bank its and respond to Freedom of Information requests for | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
the first time. The federation was created by an act of parliament. And | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
it can be reformed by an act of parliament. If you do not change of | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
your own accord, we will impose change on you. Newsnight understands | :05:04. | :05:13. | |
that some of the measures now being imposed is -- imposed had already | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
been suggested, but were either dismissed or implemented. Officers | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
say there is a clear danger for the Home Secretary if she forces this | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
through without consultation. If you are the Home Secretary you do not | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
need to make an enemy of the Police Federation. The Government seems at | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
loggerheads with the Police Federation and seems determined in | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
some way to punish it. If it punishes the federation it might end | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
up punishing the whole of the Police Service, the knock I don't know | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
effect of that is the -- the knock-on effect of that is the | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
public get punished, the don't get the service they are paying for and | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
deserve. It is a brutal few years for the Police Federation, the Home | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
Secretary says it is time for change, and that change may not come | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
without a fight. We talk about this with Mark Reckless, a Tory MP who | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
sits on the Home Affairs Select Committee, and Tony McNulty, a | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
former of the committee. You were there? People were stunned, I | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
thought she was magnificent, for a lot of people it was a stunned | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
silence. It would have been so easy for her to paper over the cracks, to | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
massage people's ego, to tell them it was the for the federation to | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
choose whether to reform. Instead she gave an incredibly powerful and | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
passionate performance, she just stuck to what she believed in and | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
did everything possible to drive that through. And earlier on in the | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
day I spoke to one of the key reformers who was really worried | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
that actually the motion was going to be watered down, they would vote | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
down some of the things and they wouldn't get the reform they wanted. | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
For her to give such a powerful speech making the case for | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
For her to give such a powerful was impressive. Did you ever try to | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
reform the Police Federation when you were there? We worked alongside | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
them, you will remember 26,000 of them marched outside the new Home | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
Office because we to beinged some of their pay in a round of pay | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
settlements. I would disagree with the analysis. I think she was unduly | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
gratuitous, going for the person rather than the ball. She could have | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
done, I agree in substance with most of the things she said, God they | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
need to reform, I told the constables' committee when I met | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
them recently. They get that. You thought she was playing politics? I | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
thought it was to do with tomorrow and post-2015 Mr Cameron on his bike | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
environment, which is unnecessarily given the seriousness with which | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
they need to reform. Somebody said to me today she almost pulled the | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
feet from the jaws of victory and someone who was there, senior fed | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
person said to me they thought it was as much about revenge as reform. | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
They get the notion of reform, even the most recalcitrant, I have been | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
to some of their conferences in the past where it really felt like you | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
got the claim and the next stop was the 1970s. I did a blog post with | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
the constables and said you can't be as sluggish as in the past and | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
expect any sort of respect from people. But she went overboard, | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
there was too much politics there. There was a lot of politics there, | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
wasn't there? I think there were politics there, but they weren't | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
perhaps the politics people expected. When you heard her as a | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
Conservative Home Secretary list this litany of things that had gone | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
wrong with the police and say rather than a few bad apples this is more | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
serious. When she said only 42% of black Caribbean people trust the | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
police, that is unacceptable, that is why we had to change. What she's | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
doing with stop and search many people would have thought why | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
bother, Labour didn't for 13 years, yet she has taken hold of it and | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
taken a lot of political risks, because she believes it is the right | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
thing to do. Within you look at that conference, very few young officers, | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
very few women, hardly any ethnic minorities and any graduates, she | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
says we need a police force that serve the people they represent. I | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
have criticised her on some issues in the past, but I was proud so her | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
as our Home Secretary sitting there today. I think that is part serious | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
and part pantomime. I'm in this perplexed because much of what she | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
said I agreed with, but the pantomime was unnecessary. She had | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
to threaten them, look at the organisation, look at the state it | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
has got to? I spoke to key figures in the constables, they get the full | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
36 elements of the report into how they should be changed. The Fed | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
instigated it, you would think that she did. They had to, look at the | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
state they were in? They know it is way past the last chance saloon. The | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
bit of what is her vision for policing, a little bit not the bad | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
caple routine but something that said to the people in the room, many | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
of the catalogue of things I have gone through how appalling things | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
have been through policing are historic and many weren't born in | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
the room. Within you had a defending of police and crime commissioners | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
and the passion she put into that, if the police for the first time | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
don't like what is happening they can elect someone who can change the | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
budget, the Chief Constable. They can but they don't. She said that is | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
how we get change in policing. 15% turnout for PCCs. The Government | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
cuts crime. There was a ballot box in one place where nobody voted. | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
What about the public money, she mentions the ?190,000, it is a token | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
figure. There are millions of tax-payers' money going to pay | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
salaries of people doing nothing but looking after the interests of the | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
Police Federation, which to all intents and purposes is a type of | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
trade union? A lot of their members don't feel looked after. Do you | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
think any public money should go for it? They have all the committees for | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
different ranks, they didn't strike. They need to make savings so it | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
costs less for officers and the public money doesn't need to go in. | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
We don't need to have so much time of police officers spent with the | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
fed rather than out on the streets. Overall I do think they need a | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
federation, they are not allowed to strike. The most important element | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
of this is getting a federation that represents its members as well as | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
the public interest. I think now the Police Federation will take hold of | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
this, run and deliver these reforms and we are seeing the changes we | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
need in policing, crime is coming down. My experience is fed members | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
and reps up and down the country doing a fantastic job, representing | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
members through the most mundane of processes, that must continue but | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
the reforms must happen. Crime is come down and there is the form we | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
need. The number teenagers self-harming, cutting or poisoning | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
themselves is increasing at a startling rate according to new | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
figures prepared for the World Health Organisation. We will discuss | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
in a moment, first, just how bad is the situation for young people in | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
England? A decade ago a major study showed | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
just under 7% of 15-16-year-olds in England self-armed, today that | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
figure has almost trebled. A new study suggests it is now 20%, one in | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
five of all 15-year-olds in England. The lead researcher thinks that | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
level of self-harm indicates a much bigger problem. It is a real tip of | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
the iceberg phenomena, I think, in terms of our other data also shows | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
that for example 45% of girls feel low weekly. At age 11 that is | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
significantly lower. As they progressed through adolescence, a | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
whole series of markers of poor emotional well being seem to rise. | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
What makes teenagers self-harm? Another large survey of young people | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
earlier this year showed a water of those who self-harmed did so because | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
they were bullied. But some of it was down to the every day trials of | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
teenagehood. Difficult family relationships, and pressure to do | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
well at school were also likely triggers. Now we have a clinical | :13:24. | :13:33. | |
psychologist and author of the Skeleton Cupboard, Kat worked with a | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
charity that intervenes to improve the mental health of young people. | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
She herself self-harmed during the ages of 14-21. During that time you | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
were self-harmling, what were you doing? Mostly cutting but also | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
scratching, overdoses, anything I could do really. Why were you doing | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
it? I mean I started when I was 14 and it kind of started by accident | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
and what I found was the first time I did it I got a release from it. | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
Ith very quickly came a very negative coping mechanism for me. | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
You felt better afterwards that is what you mean? It is very | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
counterintuitive. I imagine it is painful? Yeah. But afterwards you | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
feel better? And also you get a certain adrenaline release when you | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
self-harm, a lot of people get addicted to that sensation as well. | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
Did you want people to know you were self-harming? No. I hid it for the | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
first five years, which is no mean feat, and you know it took me five | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
years to kind of come out of the closet about mental health problems | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
so it was a really big deal to tell people for the first time. You were | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
cutting on your arm were you? Yeah. So you wore long sleeves? For about | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
six or seven years. What do you think you were doing? The first time | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
I had never, ever heard of anyone self-harming, it wasn't one of those | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
things where I had been on the Internet or seen someone else doing | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
it, it was an accident and then I found out actually by going on-line | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
that other people were doing it as well and actually I wasn't alone. | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
Were you doing it because of a particular trigger, you were unhappy | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
at a particular moment or a generalised thing? I started getting | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
depressed when I was about 13. I have always been very anxious and | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
had obsessive compulsive disorder, I was in a really low place and it | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
just seemed to click and help for some reason. How did it help? It was | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
just a kind of relief, I think a lot of people think self-harm is similar | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
to suicide, but for a lot of young people they | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
to suicide, but for a lot of young they stop them doi anything worse. | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
It is a way of leasing emotions slowly. Tania Byron you see a lot of | :15:47. | :15:54. | |
cases and deal with the families of people who self-harm, can you | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
generalise about which social class it is most common in or which | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
gender, it is most common among girls? It is but we are seeing more | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
and more boys self-harming. You know the report today has really | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
confirmed what mental health practicers who work with children | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
and young people have known for years, there has been an increase in | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
68% for admissions to hospital for young people self-harming, it | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
crosses classes. We are seeing a lot of kids from back groupeds you | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
wouldn't presume would have difficulties. Kids from nice homes | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
and aspirational families, particularly those around exam time, | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
they are under so much pressure that self-harming becomes a trigger. The | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
intriguing question is why it is growing so much, it is not just | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
exams is it? It is not, and chirp and young people do it for different | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
reasons. A lot of people say it is attention seeking and a fad. And | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
there are some young people who flirt with these behaviours and will | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
stop. But there are young people like Kat who have significant | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
issues, that self-harm is a coping mechanism. You see the self-harm but | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
you need to understand what is triggering it, what is that young | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
person anxious about, the depression, what else is going on in | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
their life. In a sense it is more of a manifestation of other problems. | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
Are there more sources of anxiety and depression now than then? We are | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
seeing increasing numbers of children being diagnosed with | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
anxiety and depression, and certainly in clinical services we | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
are overwhelmed by young people who are presenting with these issues. We | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
are also diagnosing more, that is not necessarily a God thing. | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
Different the fact that 6% of the mental health budget is spent on | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
children and young people's services, we are seeing services cut | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
across the country. Waiting lists are so long that kids are chronic by | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
the time they can be seen. We have a real crisis on our hands. We don't | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
have the provision for these young people. They either end up in A or | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
we don't know they are doing it, because they do it secretly until it | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
becomes a chronic problem. I don't want to sound cynical, they grow out | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
of it doesn't they? Some do, like they grow out of other adolescent | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
behaviours which they transition through it. 50% of all mental health | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
problems will show by the age of 14, 75% of all mental health problems | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
excluding dementia will show by 24. Here we have a time in life that we | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
know, neurobiologically we will see mental health problems, we are not | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
invest anything that and spending the money we need to provide the | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
services to people like Kat who need the support. When you go into | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
schools to talk about this, what sort of response do you get, what | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
are you saying to them apart from anything else? A lot of the team I | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
will go on when there has already been an incident, a suicide attempt | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
or there is knowledge that self-harm is going on. A lot of the time the | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
kids, they are quite shocked that someone is coming in and talking to | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
them so openly about their own experience, but they are relieved | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
and you get a lot of young people come up to you after the class and | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
confide in you and some of them are telling me things that they have | :19:16. | :19:23. | |
never, ever told anyone Do they feel they are getting the support they | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
need at school? No. We have been campaigning to get mental health on | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
the curriculum. I have certainly been campaigning on that for about | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
five years and we have seen no change at all. It seems like we are | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
missing a real trick with PSHE lessons. If we could do mental | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
health lessons in the way we do sex and relationship education we would | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
target a huge amount of young people. You would support that view? | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
Completely support that view. Absolutely, we are not helping | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
children learn to grow in their emotional resilience, and children | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
really do struggle with anxiety, there is a lot of pressure on kids, | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
a lot of targets, a lot of testing, a risk avest society, kids raised in | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
captivity, I could go on and on. This has to be a wake-up call, we | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
have an election next year, where is is the investment in child and young | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
adult mental health services and the most vulnerable of our generation. | :20:19. | :20:25. | |
The Russian President Vladimir Putin was doubtless a bit busy signing a | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
$400 billion deal to supply China with energy to pay much attention to | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
wh Prince Charles has said about him. He is said to have compared him | :20:38. | :20:45. | |
to Hitler in German. Germany, it is not too controversial, more about | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
the law on internet discussions, more or less sooner or later some | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
fool will liken someone to the Nazis. Is he right, we have been | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
getting the reaction from the streets of action. He has no right | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
to speak anything in England. There is freedom of -- he has a right to | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
speak anything in England, there is a freedom of speech in England and | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
Russia. Prince Charles is crazy, Putin is a good man. He has a right | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
to have this opinion Putin is a good man. He has a right | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
think Putin is like Hitler. I think Prince Charles is a little bit | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
afraid of Putin. He doesn't kill people, Hitler killed people and he | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
had a philosophy that was based on putting people into prison camps and | :21:35. | :21:42. | |
killing them. It is not correct, our President is good. With us now is | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
historian and author of Berlin, and Stalin grabbed, two a-- Stalingrad, | :21:49. | :21:56. | |
two accounts of the Second World War. Does this account hold water? | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
There is always a great danger in making any historical parallels, I | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
am afraid the Second World War has become the dominant reference point | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
for every crisis and conflict. It is dang us from that point. Having said | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
that there is no doubt that there are certain disturbing echos, 1938 | :22:13. | :22:22. | |
and 1939, for example the whole question of Odessa, claims on a | :22:23. | :22:35. | |
corridor to. Also discussion and mum merits that Ukraine should be | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
partitions with Poland. The Poles wanted nothing to do with it. It is | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
interesting to see the particular echos. Much more than the historical | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
parallels is a question of mentality. German, of course, had | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
this burning resentment, which Putin echoed with his fear that the | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopoliticle... You are | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
comparing Hitler's and Germany's anxiety and anger about the treaty | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
of Versailles with the way that Putin and much of modern Russia | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
feels about the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
Union? Indeed. But also there is a similar national self-centeredness. | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
A feeling that they are hemmed in and the rest of the world doesn't | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
stand them. Thank God, on the other side, I don't think that Putin will | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
be like Hitler who was furious he didn't have a war in 1938, in | :23:34. | :23:35. | |
September. I don't think didn't have a war in 1938, in | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
is crazy enough to want to actually have a war. If you were a real | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
pessimist, you could see if this comparison would lead naturally to a | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
comparison we are going to have some sort of confrontation? History is | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
never predictive and it doesn't necessarily mean that anything is | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
going to follow in the same pattern but you can see certain echos which | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
is enough to make one fairly nervous. I think a lot of people | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
have mentioned that and seen T As far as tactics go there are some | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
similarities, if you look at German behaviour? The same game of playing | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
four national self-determination amongst minorities and so forth. Do | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
you think that we in the west, you have alluded to this already, that | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
we in the west really understand how the world works to people | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
we in the west really understand how themselves on the other side of the | :24:37. | :24:38. | |
fence? I don't think we do. This is one of the problems, we have failed | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
to understand why Russia feels the way it does. It doesn't recognise | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
Ukraine as a separate one, they believe it is little Russia and an | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
integral part of what they see as greater Russia. You could say that | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
Hitler had a notion of huge Deutschland and the other parts that | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
should belong. What is your prescription for that? I wouldn't | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
dare make one, but I do think there are, thank God, differences, there | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
is no way that Putin would dare to go to war in this particular way. | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
But he is certainly going to extract everything he can without of the | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
stablisation of Ukraine. We could think more broadly about the way the | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
world is and how people in the different parts of the world might | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
see it differently from us? Absolutely, the Chinese see it | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
differently. They are very easy at the way Putin is playing the | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
self-determination card. They are worried about Tibet and the extreme | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
North West of China. They don't like any notions of playing very | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
dangerous games. Thank you very much. Thank you. Dove droned on much | :25:48. | :25:55. | |
of this week about the elections to the European Parliament. This is of | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
course charity work, because the overwhelming likelihood is that most | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
voters simply won't turn out tomorrow. This is not unconnected | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
with the fact that so many consider the European Parliament a gross | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
irrelevance. But there is another European election campaign being | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
waged from which voters are even more estranged. It is the | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
competition to become President of the European Commission, a position | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
as subject to popular democracy as being head of the Chinese politic | :26:23. | :26:33. | |
bureau. They are the candidates you have | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
never heard of and you may know nothing about in the elections, we | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
bring you the campaign for the top job in Europe, President of the | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
Commission. Apparently this time it is different, you get to decide. | :26:46. | :26:58. | |
Sort of. We try out the names on the unsuspecting electorate. What do you | :26:59. | :27:09. | |
feel about Gida Hofstad. What about Martin Shults? No idea. I used to be | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
ballad. By choice. It is a great hairstyle, easy to take care of. One | :27:17. | :27:28. | |
joke curtesy of winninger of -- winner of Eurovision is this man, | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
this centre right politician wants to be the next President of the | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
European Commission, the law makers of Europe. We joined his battle bus | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
in Athens with an ever-present police escort. It is the 35th | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
European city he has visited since his campaign began. Do you think | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
many people know your policies? I don't know, but that is not really | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
my problem, of course it is my problem, but they have to take | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
interest in what we are proposing. I'm not running after the | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
electorate, they have to inform themselves. The President right now | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
is Jose Manuel Barroso. He was chosen, like all his predesows -- | :28:12. | :28:20. | |
predecessors in a back room deal. The EU leaders must now pick a | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
President taking into account the results of the elections of the | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
European Parliament. What does that mean, stick with me here, it depends | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
on interpretation, but some MEPs say Europe's 400 million voters will | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
influence who gets the top job. That is why he's touring Europe. A hard | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
hat essential these days for politicians interacting with the | :28:45. | :28:52. | |
electorate. Here he is checking out the extension to the Athens Metro. | :28:53. | :29:01. | |
The Greek Prime Minister also made him welcome. Mr Samaras is on the | :29:02. | :29:08. | |
European Council, it doesn't look like he's waiting until the election | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
results to let us know who he wants to be President. They understand | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
about democracy in Athens, they invented the concept, literally | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
"power to the people", that is what the European Parliament claims is | :29:24. | :29:25. | |
happening in the up coming elections, that voters are being | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
given power in a way they have never had it before. But things aren't | :29:29. | :29:38. | |
always as they seem. Perspective often shapes our view. That's clear | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
in mini-Europe, Brussels tribute to the EU, here appearances can be | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
deceptive, and critics say the same of the new European-style democracy. | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
It is a very imperfect procedure, because in Britain you cannot vote | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
for Mr Juncker, there is no party supporting him. Mr Shulz is the | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
party of the socialist family, people can only vote for him in | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
Germany. In Britain you didn't vote for him and Labour does not support | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
him, what is the legitimacy of his nomination, I don't see that. To | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
counter criticism the presidential candidates have held a series of | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
live TV debates to an audience of... . Best skip over that. But Newsnight | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
won't accept the long-held view that European politicians are frankly | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
boring. We have scoured the biographies so you don't have to. | :30:35. | :30:41. | |
Juncker is favourite, chosen by the centre right EPP. Martin Shulz was | :30:42. | :30:52. | |
picked by socialist. Mr Hofstad is the choice of liberals and | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
democrats. The far left have Greece's opposition leader. Mr | :31:00. | :31:09. | |
Keller is one of two grown candidates. Take note though, this | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
race is a Conservative and euro-sceptic free zone. Because none | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
of those parties buy into it. Everybody nowadays is complaining | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
about the low voters turnout, and for once we are doing a big leap | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
forward for democracy, and giving people real choice, also putting | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
faces on party programmes. Do you really believe TWHAUN of you will be | :31:33. | :31:34. | |
the President of the Commission? Yes, absolutely, I strongly believe | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
that one of us five will be commissioned President, because that | :31:40. | :31:42. | |
would be following the treaties. I think the member states would deal a | :31:43. | :31:49. | |
great blow to democracy if they were to disregard the vote of European | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
citizens. But disregard it they may, despite | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
all the trips around Europe, primarily on public fund, the treaty | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
says the EU leaders still nominate the President. MEPs will vote or | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
veto that choice. It is thought many, including David Cameron have | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
no plans for any of the candidates on public view. Outside the pulse | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
parliament amongst clued up Europeans I road tested the concept. | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
As I understand it the MEPs say you vote, your vote counts towards | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
choosing which party is the largest party in the parliament, the Lisbon | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
commission nominates somebody and the MEPs vote on it? The general | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
public get a superficial say in it, we don't get a vote, we just kind | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
of, it is kind of pretending. Lots of people say this is the big new | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
democracy in Europe, the big change? It don't like or sound like that to | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
me. What it is, is an attempt to link | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
the voters of Europe with the institutions that affect their | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
lives. If they are paying attention the EU citizens will find out how it | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
plays all out. Back now to the election, we do have | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
a vote in, and it was the last day of campaigning for them today, din | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
at the end by the enthusiasm for UKIP, Nick Clegg was still out there | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
selling the healthy delights of the European all you can eat buffet. | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
These elections present his party with something novel the their | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
opponents used to be able to say what is the point of voting Lib Dem, | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
they will never form a Government. But now they are the Government, or | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
a bit of it at least, problem, we report now from Kingston where they | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
have been a big force for years, but are now looking at quite another | :33:46. | :33:52. | |
prospect. Doesn't look like a hot bed of | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
activism. But when it came to turfing people out of their homes, | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
house boats, Kingston river so Ied was the scene of high political | :34:04. | :34:09. | |
drama and the local liberals' big chance. The pride in the Riverside | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
heritage has come in for harsh criticism recent low. Last night 40 | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
families who lived right on the river, descended on the build hall | :34:20. | :34:26. | |
in furious of the council's destruction of a long standing river | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
tradition. Protesting with the safely middle-class boat people | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
helped them bed into the council where they eventually took control | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
from the Tories. Now the Liberal Democrats have won this town for 12 | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
years, this time tomorrow it could be all over. Roger rose to be leader | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
of the only, having fought for the rights of those who prefer life on | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
the Thames gentle way. Tories hate it, they can't understand why anyone | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
would want to lead such an alternative life, they prefer to | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
them as river gypsies and they were people like you and I? Now you are | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
in Government you can't be the house boat campaigners, but y can't be the | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
recipients of the protest vote? It has made it harder, there is no | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
denying that, some people feel let down, I suppose, by some of the | :35:20. | :35:26. | |
things which our parliamentary colleagues have had to do. In a | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
sense that is coalition politics. There is no coalition in Kingston. | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
You wait so long to be in power, and when we are it doesn't go the way we | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
would hope. A polite understatement. Escaping third party obscurity has | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
meant major unpopularity. In tomorrow's vote the Lib Dems might | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
lose half their councillor, officials are briefing they could | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
say goodbye to all of their MEPs. Lovely as it is to mess around on | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
the river, campaigning in the local and European elections is more than | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
just a past time, more than their rivals, the Lib Dem base is built on | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
councillors, envelope stuffers and door knockers, they are all vital to | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
the pet. Members of the European Parliament are a crucial part offier | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
infrastructure, even if a training ground for future leaders. After six | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
months of the worst-ever polls since they joined the coalition, can the | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
Lib Dems face challenge from either two. It took years of local graft to | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
build their place. So the Lib Dem's best chance at a | :36:38. | :37:10. | |
decent scorecard is holding places where they are already dug in. | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
Broadly keeping Tories out in southern spots like Kingston and | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
Labour at bay elsewhere. Do these Thames side voters want more of the | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
same? There are sometimes when you think oh my God what are they doing, | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
on the whole they are not do too bad. We haven't got a post box on | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
the estate, the bus doesn't run on Sunday, anyone with their 80s has to | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
walk to the main road to get a bus. I'm lucky I live there. We have | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
bikes riding on the pavement all the time. I don't think they have done | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
wadly but Mr Cameron early in charge. I'm not so sure about that. | :37:52. | :37:59. | |
A dreadful set of results won't be a surprise to any Lib Dem. Says this | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
former adviser to Nick Clegg. But might bring forward the moment when | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
bigger realities have to be face. Local Lib Dems have been in power | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
locally over the years. They are paying the penalty for party at | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
national level finally getting into power for the first time. The party | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
is kinding it difficult to deal with understandably, but it is a | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
challenge they have to face. If in the long-term the next five or | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
sentence years that will clearly have an impact on the ability to | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
calm pan. Whether fending off the Conservatives here or fighting | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
Labour in the northern towns, or the SNP, UKIP or greens in other parts | :38:38. | :38:44. | |
of the country. Being a national Government has Scotched the question | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
Lib Dems used to get on the doorstep. What is the point of | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
voting for you, you will never be in charge. But if decisions taken in | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
coalition erode local support dramatically, in the long-term how | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
will the party really sustain. The next few days will be painful, | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
although they don't directly dictate next May. But the demand they will | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
urge is what happens if the Lib Dems keep on losing, how does the party | :39:14. | :39:25. | |
now in power stop its relevance floating away. The deputy leader of | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
the Liberal Democrats is in Aberdeen. What's your explanation | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
for why you are doing so badly? I'm not prepared to say that until the | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
polls are closed and votes counted. That may be your line, but Nick | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
Clegg's word published in the Guardian tomorrow, in the event of | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
you getting no seats or up to two seats you should say you are | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
disappointed but the party remains resolute this was expected at this | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
point in electoral cycles? To be clear what we are saying is some of | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
the polls if they were right would lead to a setback. I don't think we | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
should judge them before they are closed, that is the point. As far as | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
the overall position is concerned. We have fought the European | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
elections on a straight and honest and pro-European ticket. We have to | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
be it clearly a taken on UKIP, and we are in favour of European reform | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
or to contemplate Britain leaving. We have nothing to be ashamed of and | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
people do not say they don't know what the Liberal Democrats stand | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
for. Perhaps they know too much and that is why you are predicting you | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
will get a hammering? I'm not prepared to accept that. Your party | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
is? Why is it issuing guidance to people as to bah they should say | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
when -- to what they should say when confronted with terrible guidance? I | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
will make a judgment of the results when I see them. If we have setbacks | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
we have to evaluate how we mean and take it back. We have gone into | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
coalition something that is a political party. I have been a | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
member of this party for half a century. I didn't join it as a quick | :41:14. | :41:20. | |
fix in Government. I believe we have accepted our responsibility and | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
delivered radical changes on the tax cuts. Something that David Cameron | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
said couldn't be done. We have probably delivered the most radical | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
reform of pensions since Lloyd job. We have delivered apresent at | :41:34. | :41:35. | |
thisesships for young people that wouldn't have happened without the | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
Liberal Democrats. We have waived the way of coalition. Even at the | :41:41. | :41:53. | |
price of the -- emplosion of the party? We are in Government and | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
shouldn't walk away, but neither apologise for the things we have | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
achieved. We have a situation, not from your point of view I understand | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
it, but I find it extraordinary that a party that has helped bring down | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
the deficit, interest rates low, seeing sustainable growth across all | :42:10. | :42:17. | |
sectors, that has contributed t tax threshold to ?10. , 500. It is | :42:18. | :42:25. | |
reasonable to say to people this is what we have done and more like | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
that, but we didn't do it unless you vote for us. We have to fight for | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
those votes. Thank you very much. The world of sport has spent the day | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
trying to recover from the news that Tour de Romandie maying Yaya Toure | :42:42. | :42:49. | |
might be considering leaving his club. He doesn't feel loved. There | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
was confusion about whether the club it given him a birthday cake with | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
enough icing on it. When you are screwing them for a rumoured | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
?200,000 a week these things matter. We gave Stephen Smith a packet of | :43:04. | :43:13. | |
Hob-Nobes for his birthday, which helped him consider shows of | :43:14. | :43:26. | |
affection in the media. Not since Mary Antoinette decided to eat only | :43:27. | :43:34. | |
cake has a scandal caused such a furore. | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
# Happy birthday to you. Is he trying to have his cake and you | :43:39. | :43:47. | |
know... . Cakegate is the truth. Have we seen the cake? Has the | :43:48. | :43:55. | |
footage been doctored. Are you City engaging in a British Bake Off | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
subterfuge. I won't believe a cake was involved until they send me a | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
piece. It is an extraordinary saga. A grown man, he's 31, he should have | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
reached the able where he doesn't want to be reminded of his birthday. | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
There is a suggestion linked to Yaya Toure's agent where he felt that | :44:18. | :44:28. | |
cake wasn't close to the one the middle eastern owners had. It is | :44:29. | :44:37. | |
very childish f it was his mum and dad that forgot it that would be | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
something. He has made this perhaps to get the recognition he wants and | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
deserves really. He has been a fantastic and crucial player for us | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
this year. Of course it is difficult for hard-working people like you and | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
me to understand how highly strung they can attach such importance for | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
a few FRIP rows. -- friperies. When it comes to perks and sweet meat, | :45:06. | :45:16. | |
football is the new rock 'n' roll. Classic right to demand, Van Halen | :45:17. | :45:24. | |
wanted the promoter to provide bowls of M with the brown ones taken | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
out. There is method behind that apparent madness, if a promoter is | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
bothered enough to extract the brown M, he will be bothered to supply | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
the power supply and the clean towns that you have asked for and the | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
aspect that you asked for and the security. As long as there are | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
winners like Yaya Toure, clubs will indulge their players and agents, | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
particularly as the summer transfer window opens. The Premier League is | :45:55. | :46:01. | |
England as Hollywood, the power structures within it are very | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
similar to Hollywood. The whole pressure comes from the talent. So | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
the money comes into the game in huge amounts and is required to draw | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
talent. Talent recognises that and therefore plays all sorts of games | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
to ensure it gets more of that. Fans might wonder at the hissy fits, | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
but if Yaya Toure stays with the champions this summer, what are the | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
odds that season tickets will sell like... . Very popular things. | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
That is the end of the round up about worries and dysfunction, we | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
should maybe count our blessings, we don't live in Iran where it has | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
apparently become a crime to be happy or dance to Farrell Williams' | :46:48. | :46:56. | |
cheerful song of that name. Young people dancing on a video from were | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
arrested and paraded on state TV before eventually being released. It | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
just looks like they are having fun to most of us. | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
# Because I'm happy # Clap along if you feel like | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
happiness is a truth # Because I'm happy | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
# Clap along if you know what happiness is for you. | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
# Lap along if you feel that's what you want to do | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
# Clap along if you know # What happiness is to you | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
# Clap along if you feel like that's what you want to do. | :47:42. | :47:57. | |
# Clap along if you feel like that's what you want to do. Good evening, | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
could be a bit noisy tonight across England and Wales, heavy thundery | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
rain working northwards. Heavy rain still there across northern England | :48:09. | :48:10. | |
to | :48:11. | :48:11. |