21/05/2014 Newsnight


21/05/2014

With Jeremy Paxman. Police Federation reform urged, self-harming teenagers, Prince Charles and Putin, the local and European elections and footballing fuss over Yaya Toure.


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The Government runs out of patience with the Police Federation. Evening

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all, I'm the mug tonight. It tells it to pull itself together or be

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pulled together. The Home Secretary cuts some of the public money it

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receives, but why should it get any at all. We tour the high and low of

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Europe who meet the bunch of people you have never heard of to meet

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those who want to be the President of the EU. Do many people know your

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policies? That is not the problem, they have to taken a interest in

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what we are proposing, I'm not running after the electorate. Can an

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inadequate cake be the reason for a footballer to quit his club. There

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is nothing wrong with the report, it is my rider, if you look there it

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explicitly says no brown ones! Two years ago when the Home Secretary

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went to the Police Federation annual conference in Bournemouth she was

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met with jeeres and boos. Today when she went to the same event she stuck

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it to them. The standing of the Police Federation could hardly be

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lower and today she told them if they didn't improve there would be

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laws to make them improve. For good measure, not that they will notice

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very much given the tens of millions they are sitting on, she will cut

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the grant they get from the taxpayer.

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It was a speech watched in near silence by the 2,000 officers in the

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room. This is my fifth... Theresa May has never enjoyed a warm

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relationship with the Police, this was not the day to build bridges. We

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have seen accusations of bullying a lack of transparency in the

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accounts, tactical campaign, huge reserve funds worth millions of

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pounds and a resounding call for change from your members. It would

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be the easiest thing in the world for me to turn a blind eye to these

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matters. To let things go on as they are, to deny the need for change. It

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would be the easy thing to do, but it would also be the wrong thing to

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do. The Home Secretary reeled off a list of police scandals, from

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Hillsborough to Stephen Lawrence, to plebgate, it was a forceful speech

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and the tone left some in the audience angry. Lots of public

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sector bodies under various Governments have gone through

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significant changes very quickly and it goes very wrong. You can't hand

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brake turn an aircraft carrier. I sat there and listened and didn't

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have a prepared question, I listened to everything you say, I would like

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to thank you, I know it doesn't correct but through 21 years of

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front line service I faced everything, including being

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attacked, hospitalised, saving lives, and for six years of

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full-time Fed Rep I represent every officer who suffers in the way I

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have. I have never had such an attack and personal kicking as every

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comment from what you said then. (Applause) It is almost two years

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since then Chief Whip, Andrew Mitchell, was stopped outside the

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gates of Downing Street, when it emerged that PC Keith Wallis lied

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about his part in the row, it set off a whole chain of events that

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left the federation damaged. A review called bad behaviour, poor

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treatment of staff and hoarding of financial information. MPs also

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criticised the federation's ?26 million headquarters in Kent, with

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its own swimming pool and hotel. Last month the chairman and General

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Secretary said they would step down after what was described as a

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worrying loss of confidence in the organisation. As a result the Home

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Secretary said today that ?190,000 of public funding, to pay the

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salaries of the federation's top officials will be stopped. Police

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officers will have to opt in to federation membership rather than

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being automatically enrolled, and the organisation will have to open

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up all its bank its and respond to Freedom of Information requests for

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the first time. The federation was created by an act of parliament. And

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it can be reformed by an act of parliament. If you do not change of

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your own accord, we will impose change on you. Newsnight understands

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that some of the measures now being imposed is -- imposed had already

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been suggested, but were either dismissed or implemented. Officers

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say there is a clear danger for the Home Secretary if she forces this

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through without consultation. If you are the Home Secretary you do not

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need to make an enemy of the Police Federation. The Government seems at

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loggerheads with the Police Federation and seems determined in

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some way to punish it. If it punishes the federation it might end

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up punishing the whole of the Police Service, the knock I don't know

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effect of that is the -- the knock-on effect of that is the

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public get punished, the don't get the service they are paying for and

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deserve. It is a brutal few years for the Police Federation, the Home

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Secretary says it is time for change, and that change may not come

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without a fight. We talk about this with Mark Reckless, a Tory MP who

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sits on the Home Affairs Select Committee, and Tony McNulty, a

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former of the committee. You were there? People were stunned, I

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thought she was magnificent, for a lot of people it was a stunned

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silence. It would have been so easy for her to paper over the cracks, to

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massage people's ego, to tell them it was the for the federation to

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choose whether to reform. Instead she gave an incredibly powerful and

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passionate performance, she just stuck to what she believed in and

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did everything possible to drive that through. And earlier on in the

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day I spoke to one of the key reformers who was really worried

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that actually the motion was going to be watered down, they would vote

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down some of the things and they wouldn't get the reform they wanted.

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For her to give such a powerful speech making the case for

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For her to give such a powerful was impressive. Did you ever try to

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reform the Police Federation when you were there? We worked alongside

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them, you will remember 26,000 of them marched outside the new Home

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Office because we to beinged some of their pay in a round of pay

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settlements. I would disagree with the analysis. I think she was unduly

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gratuitous, going for the person rather than the ball. She could have

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done, I agree in substance with most of the things she said, God they

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need to reform, I told the constables' committee when I met

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them recently. They get that. You thought she was playing politics? I

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thought it was to do with tomorrow and post-2015 Mr Cameron on his bike

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environment, which is unnecessarily given the seriousness with which

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they need to reform. Somebody said to me today she almost pulled the

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feet from the jaws of victory and someone who was there, senior fed

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person said to me they thought it was as much about revenge as reform.

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They get the notion of reform, even the most recalcitrant, I have been

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to some of their conferences in the past where it really felt like you

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got the claim and the next stop was the 1970s. I did a blog post with

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the constables and said you can't be as sluggish as in the past and

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expect any sort of respect from people. But she went overboard,

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there was too much politics there. There was a lot of politics there,

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wasn't there? I think there were politics there, but they weren't

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perhaps the politics people expected. When you heard her as a

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Conservative Home Secretary list this litany of things that had gone

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wrong with the police and say rather than a few bad apples this is more

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serious. When she said only 42% of black Caribbean people trust the

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police, that is unacceptable, that is why we had to change. What she's

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doing with stop and search many people would have thought why

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bother, Labour didn't for 13 years, yet she has taken hold of it and

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taken a lot of political risks, because she believes it is the right

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thing to do. Within you look at that conference, very few young officers,

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very few women, hardly any ethnic minorities and any graduates, she

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says we need a police force that serve the people they represent. I

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have criticised her on some issues in the past, but I was proud so her

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as our Home Secretary sitting there today. I think that is part serious

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and part pantomime. I'm in this perplexed because much of what she

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said I agreed with, but the pantomime was unnecessary. She had

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to threaten them, look at the organisation, look at the state it

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has got to? I spoke to key figures in the constables, they get the full

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36 elements of the report into how they should be changed. The Fed

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instigated it, you would think that she did. They had to, look at the

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state they were in? They know it is way past the last chance saloon. The

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bit of what is her vision for policing, a little bit not the bad

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caple routine but something that said to the people in the room, many

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of the catalogue of things I have gone through how appalling things

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have been through policing are historic and many weren't born in

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the room. Within you had a defending of police and crime commissioners

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and the passion she put into that, if the police for the first time

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don't like what is happening they can elect someone who can change the

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budget, the Chief Constable. They can but they don't. She said that is

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how we get change in policing. 15% turnout for PCCs. The Government

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cuts crime. There was a ballot box in one place where nobody voted.

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What about the public money, she mentions the ?190,000, it is a token

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figure. There are millions of tax-payers' money going to pay

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salaries of people doing nothing but looking after the interests of the

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Police Federation, which to all intents and purposes is a type of

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trade union? A lot of their members don't feel looked after. Do you

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think any public money should go for it? They have all the committees for

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different ranks, they didn't strike. They need to make savings so it

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costs less for officers and the public money doesn't need to go in.

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We don't need to have so much time of police officers spent with the

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fed rather than out on the streets. Overall I do think they need a

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federation, they are not allowed to strike. The most important element

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of this is getting a federation that represents its members as well as

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the public interest. I think now the Police Federation will take hold of

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this, run and deliver these reforms and we are seeing the changes we

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need in policing, crime is coming down. My experience is fed members

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and reps up and down the country doing a fantastic job, representing

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members through the most mundane of processes, that must continue but

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the reforms must happen. Crime is come down and there is the form we

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need. The number teenagers self-harming, cutting or poisoning

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themselves is increasing at a startling rate according to new

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figures prepared for the World Health Organisation. We will discuss

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in a moment, first, just how bad is the situation for young people in

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England? A decade ago a major study showed

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just under 7% of 15-16-year-olds in England self-armed, today that

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figure has almost trebled. A new study suggests it is now 20%, one in

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five of all 15-year-olds in England. The lead researcher thinks that

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level of self-harm indicates a much bigger problem. It is a real tip of

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the iceberg phenomena, I think, in terms of our other data also shows

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that for example 45% of girls feel low weekly. At age 11 that is

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significantly lower. As they progressed through adolescence, a

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whole series of markers of poor emotional well being seem to rise.

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What makes teenagers self-harm? Another large survey of young people

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earlier this year showed a water of those who self-harmed did so because

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they were bullied. But some of it was down to the every day trials of

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teenagehood. Difficult family relationships, and pressure to do

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well at school were also likely triggers. Now we have a clinical

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psychologist and author of the Skeleton Cupboard, Kat worked with a

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charity that intervenes to improve the mental health of young people.

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She herself self-harmed during the ages of 14-21. During that time you

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were self-harmling, what were you doing? Mostly cutting but also

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scratching, overdoses, anything I could do really. Why were you doing

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it? I mean I started when I was 14 and it kind of started by accident

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and what I found was the first time I did it I got a release from it.

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Ith very quickly came a very negative coping mechanism for me.

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You felt better afterwards that is what you mean? It is very

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counterintuitive. I imagine it is painful? Yeah. But afterwards you

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feel better? And also you get a certain adrenaline release when you

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self-harm, a lot of people get addicted to that sensation as well.

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Did you want people to know you were self-harming? No. I hid it for the

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first five years, which is no mean feat, and you know it took me five

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years to kind of come out of the closet about mental health problems

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so it was a really big deal to tell people for the first time. You were

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cutting on your arm were you? Yeah. So you wore long sleeves? For about

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six or seven years. What do you think you were doing? The first time

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I had never, ever heard of anyone self-harming, it wasn't one of those

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things where I had been on the Internet or seen someone else doing

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it, it was an accident and then I found out actually by going on-line

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that other people were doing it as well and actually I wasn't alone.

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Were you doing it because of a particular trigger, you were unhappy

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at a particular moment or a generalised thing? I started getting

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depressed when I was about 13. I have always been very anxious and

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had obsessive compulsive disorder, I was in a really low place and it

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just seemed to click and help for some reason. How did it help? It was

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just a kind of relief, I think a lot of people think self-harm is similar

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to suicide, but for a lot of young people they

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to suicide, but for a lot of young they stop them doi anything worse.

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It is a way of leasing emotions slowly. Tania Byron you see a lot of

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cases and deal with the families of people who self-harm, can you

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generalise about which social class it is most common in or which

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gender, it is most common among girls? It is but we are seeing more

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and more boys self-harming. You know the report today has really

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confirmed what mental health practicers who work with children

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and young people have known for years, there has been an increase in

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68% for admissions to hospital for young people self-harming, it

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crosses classes. We are seeing a lot of kids from back groupeds you

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wouldn't presume would have difficulties. Kids from nice homes

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and aspirational families, particularly those around exam time,

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they are under so much pressure that self-harming becomes a trigger. The

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intriguing question is why it is growing so much, it is not just

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exams is it? It is not, and chirp and young people do it for different

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reasons. A lot of people say it is attention seeking and a fad. And

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there are some young people who flirt with these behaviours and will

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stop. But there are young people like Kat who have significant

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issues, that self-harm is a coping mechanism. You see the self-harm but

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you need to understand what is triggering it, what is that young

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person anxious about, the depression, what else is going on in

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their life. In a sense it is more of a manifestation of other problems.

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Are there more sources of anxiety and depression now than then? We are

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seeing increasing numbers of children being diagnosed with

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anxiety and depression, and certainly in clinical services we

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are overwhelmed by young people who are presenting with these issues. We

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are also diagnosing more, that is not necessarily a God thing.

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Different the fact that 6% of the mental health budget is spent on

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children and young people's services, we are seeing services cut

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across the country. Waiting lists are so long that kids are chronic by

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the time they can be seen. We have a real crisis on our hands. We don't

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have the provision for these young people. They either end up in A or

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we don't know they are doing it, because they do it secretly until it

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becomes a chronic problem. I don't want to sound cynical, they grow out

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of it doesn't they? Some do, like they grow out of other adolescent

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behaviours which they transition through it. 50% of all mental health

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problems will show by the age of 14, 75% of all mental health problems

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excluding dementia will show by 24. Here we have a time in life that we

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know, neurobiologically we will see mental health problems, we are not

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invest anything that and spending the money we need to provide the

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services to people like Kat who need the support. When you go into

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schools to talk about this, what sort of response do you get, what

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are you saying to them apart from anything else? A lot of the team I

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will go on when there has already been an incident, a suicide attempt

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or there is knowledge that self-harm is going on. A lot of the time the

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kids, they are quite shocked that someone is coming in and talking to

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them so openly about their own experience, but they are relieved

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and you get a lot of young people come up to you after the class and

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confide in you and some of them are telling me things that they have

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never, ever told anyone Do they feel they are getting the support they

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need at school? No. We have been campaigning to get mental health on

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the curriculum. I have certainly been campaigning on that for about

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five years and we have seen no change at all. It seems like we are

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missing a real trick with PSHE lessons. If we could do mental

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health lessons in the way we do sex and relationship education we would

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target a huge amount of young people. You would support that view?

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Completely support that view. Absolutely, we are not helping

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children learn to grow in their emotional resilience, and children

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really do struggle with anxiety, there is a lot of pressure on kids,

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a lot of targets, a lot of testing, a risk avest society, kids raised in

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captivity, I could go on and on. This has to be a wake-up call, we

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have an election next year, where is is the investment in child and young

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adult mental health services and the most vulnerable of our generation.

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The Russian President Vladimir Putin was doubtless a bit busy signing a

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$400 billion deal to supply China with energy to pay much attention to

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wh Prince Charles has said about him. He is said to have compared him

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to Hitler in German. Germany, it is not too controversial, more about

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the law on internet discussions, more or less sooner or later some

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fool will liken someone to the Nazis. Is he right, we have been

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getting the reaction from the streets of action. He has no right

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to speak anything in England. There is freedom of -- he has a right to

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speak anything in England, there is a freedom of speech in England and

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Russia. Prince Charles is crazy, Putin is a good man. He has a right

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to have this opinion Putin is a good man. He has a right

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think Putin is like Hitler. I think Prince Charles is a little bit

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afraid of Putin. He doesn't kill people, Hitler killed people and he

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had a philosophy that was based on putting people into prison camps and

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killing them. It is not correct, our President is good. With us now is

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historian and author of Berlin, and Stalin grabbed, two a-- Stalingrad,

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two accounts of the Second World War. Does this account hold water?

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There is always a great danger in making any historical parallels, I

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am afraid the Second World War has become the dominant reference point

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for every crisis and conflict. It is dang us from that point. Having said

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that there is no doubt that there are certain disturbing echos, 1938

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and 1939, for example the whole question of Odessa, claims on a

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corridor to. Also discussion and mum merits that Ukraine should be

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partitions with Poland. The Poles wanted nothing to do with it. It is

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interesting to see the particular echos. Much more than the historical

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parallels is a question of mentality. German, of course, had

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this burning resentment, which Putin echoed with his fear that the

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collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopoliticle... You are

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comparing Hitler's and Germany's anxiety and anger about the treaty

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of Versailles with the way that Putin and much of modern Russia

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feels about the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet

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Union? Indeed. But also there is a similar national self-centeredness.

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A feeling that they are hemmed in and the rest of the world doesn't

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stand them. Thank God, on the other side, I don't think that Putin will

:23:30.:23:33.

be like Hitler who was furious he didn't have a war in 1938, in

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September. I don't think didn't have a war in 1938, in

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is crazy enough to want to actually have a war. If you were a real

:23:42.:23:47.

pessimist, you could see if this comparison would lead naturally to a

:23:48.:23:52.

comparison we are going to have some sort of confrontation? History is

:23:53.:23:56.

never predictive and it doesn't necessarily mean that anything is

:23:57.:24:00.

going to follow in the same pattern but you can see certain echos which

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is enough to make one fairly nervous. I think a lot of people

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have mentioned that and seen T As far as tactics go there are some

:24:12.:24:17.

similarities, if you look at German behaviour? The same game of playing

:24:18.:24:22.

four national self-determination amongst minorities and so forth. Do

:24:23.:24:27.

you think that we in the west, you have alluded to this already, that

:24:28.:24:32.

we in the west really understand how the world works to people

:24:33.:24:36.

we in the west really understand how themselves on the other side of the

:24:37.:24:38.

fence? I don't think we do. This is one of the problems, we have failed

:24:39.:24:42.

to understand why Russia feels the way it does. It doesn't recognise

:24:43.:24:47.

Ukraine as a separate one, they believe it is little Russia and an

:24:48.:24:53.

integral part of what they see as greater Russia. You could say that

:24:54.:24:59.

Hitler had a notion of huge Deutschland and the other parts that

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should belong. What is your prescription for that? I wouldn't

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dare make one, but I do think there are, thank God, differences, there

:25:07.:25:12.

is no way that Putin would dare to go to war in this particular way.

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But he is certainly going to extract everything he can without of the

:25:17.:25:21.

stablisation of Ukraine. We could think more broadly about the way the

:25:22.:25:26.

world is and how people in the different parts of the world might

:25:27.:25:30.

see it differently from us? Absolutely, the Chinese see it

:25:31.:25:35.

differently. They are very easy at the way Putin is playing the

:25:36.:25:39.

self-determination card. They are worried about Tibet and the extreme

:25:40.:25:43.

North West of China. They don't like any notions of playing very

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dangerous games. Thank you very much. Thank you. Dove droned on much

:25:48.:25:55.

of this week about the elections to the European Parliament. This is of

:25:56.:25:58.

course charity work, because the overwhelming likelihood is that most

:25:59.:26:03.

voters simply won't turn out tomorrow. This is not unconnected

:26:04.:26:07.

with the fact that so many consider the European Parliament a gross

:26:08.:26:11.

irrelevance. But there is another European election campaign being

:26:12.:26:14.

waged from which voters are even more estranged. It is the

:26:15.:26:18.

competition to become President of the European Commission, a position

:26:19.:26:22.

as subject to popular democracy as being head of the Chinese politic

:26:23.:26:33.

bureau. They are the candidates you have

:26:34.:26:37.

never heard of and you may know nothing about in the elections, we

:26:38.:26:42.

bring you the campaign for the top job in Europe, President of the

:26:43.:26:45.

Commission. Apparently this time it is different, you get to decide.

:26:46.:26:58.

Sort of. We try out the names on the unsuspecting electorate. What do you

:26:59.:27:09.

feel about Gida Hofstad. What about Martin Shults? No idea. I used to be

:27:10.:27:16.

ballad. By choice. It is a great hairstyle, easy to take care of. One

:27:17.:27:28.

joke curtesy of winninger of -- winner of Eurovision is this man,

:27:29.:27:31.

this centre right politician wants to be the next President of the

:27:32.:27:38.

European Commission, the law makers of Europe. We joined his battle bus

:27:39.:27:43.

in Athens with an ever-present police escort. It is the 35th

:27:44.:27:49.

European city he has visited since his campaign began. Do you think

:27:50.:27:54.

many people know your policies? I don't know, but that is not really

:27:55.:27:58.

my problem, of course it is my problem, but they have to take

:27:59.:28:02.

interest in what we are proposing. I'm not running after the

:28:03.:28:05.

electorate, they have to inform themselves. The President right now

:28:06.:28:11.

is Jose Manuel Barroso. He was chosen, like all his predesows --

:28:12.:28:20.

predecessors in a back room deal. The EU leaders must now pick a

:28:21.:28:23.

President taking into account the results of the elections of the

:28:24.:28:26.

European Parliament. What does that mean, stick with me here, it depends

:28:27.:28:33.

on interpretation, but some MEPs say Europe's 400 million voters will

:28:34.:28:40.

influence who gets the top job. That is why he's touring Europe. A hard

:28:41.:28:44.

hat essential these days for politicians interacting with the

:28:45.:28:52.

electorate. Here he is checking out the extension to the Athens Metro.

:28:53.:29:01.

The Greek Prime Minister also made him welcome. Mr Samaras is on the

:29:02.:29:08.

European Council, it doesn't look like he's waiting until the election

:29:09.:29:12.

results to let us know who he wants to be President. They understand

:29:13.:29:19.

about democracy in Athens, they invented the concept, literally

:29:20.:29:23.

"power to the people", that is what the European Parliament claims is

:29:24.:29:25.

happening in the up coming elections, that voters are being

:29:26.:29:28.

given power in a way they have never had it before. But things aren't

:29:29.:29:38.

always as they seem. Perspective often shapes our view. That's clear

:29:39.:29:44.

in mini-Europe, Brussels tribute to the EU, here appearances can be

:29:45.:29:50.

deceptive, and critics say the same of the new European-style democracy.

:29:51.:29:56.

It is a very imperfect procedure, because in Britain you cannot vote

:29:57.:30:00.

for Mr Juncker, there is no party supporting him. Mr Shulz is the

:30:01.:30:05.

party of the socialist family, people can only vote for him in

:30:06.:30:09.

Germany. In Britain you didn't vote for him and Labour does not support

:30:10.:30:14.

him, what is the legitimacy of his nomination, I don't see that. To

:30:15.:30:20.

counter criticism the presidential candidates have held a series of

:30:21.:30:24.

live TV debates to an audience of... . Best skip over that. But Newsnight

:30:25.:30:30.

won't accept the long-held view that European politicians are frankly

:30:31.:30:34.

boring. We have scoured the biographies so you don't have to.

:30:35.:30:41.

Juncker is favourite, chosen by the centre right EPP. Martin Shulz was

:30:42.:30:52.

picked by socialist. Mr Hofstad is the choice of liberals and

:30:53.:30:59.

democrats. The far left have Greece's opposition leader. Mr

:31:00.:31:09.

Keller is one of two grown candidates. Take note though, this

:31:10.:31:15.

race is a Conservative and euro-sceptic free zone. Because none

:31:16.:31:19.

of those parties buy into it. Everybody nowadays is complaining

:31:20.:31:23.

about the low voters turnout, and for once we are doing a big leap

:31:24.:31:27.

forward for democracy, and giving people real choice, also putting

:31:28.:31:32.

faces on party programmes. Do you really believe TWHAUN of you will be

:31:33.:31:34.

the President of the Commission? Yes, absolutely, I strongly believe

:31:35.:31:39.

that one of us five will be commissioned President, because that

:31:40.:31:42.

would be following the treaties. I think the member states would deal a

:31:43.:31:49.

great blow to democracy if they were to disregard the vote of European

:31:50.:31:53.

citizens. But disregard it they may, despite

:31:54.:31:58.

all the trips around Europe, primarily on public fund, the treaty

:31:59.:32:04.

says the EU leaders still nominate the President. MEPs will vote or

:32:05.:32:09.

veto that choice. It is thought many, including David Cameron have

:32:10.:32:14.

no plans for any of the candidates on public view. Outside the pulse

:32:15.:32:19.

parliament amongst clued up Europeans I road tested the concept.

:32:20.:32:25.

As I understand it the MEPs say you vote, your vote counts towards

:32:26.:32:29.

choosing which party is the largest party in the parliament, the Lisbon

:32:30.:32:35.

commission nominates somebody and the MEPs vote on it? The general

:32:36.:32:41.

public get a superficial say in it, we don't get a vote, we just kind

:32:42.:32:47.

of, it is kind of pretending. Lots of people say this is the big new

:32:48.:32:52.

democracy in Europe, the big change? It don't like or sound like that to

:32:53.:32:56.

me. What it is, is an attempt to link

:32:57.:33:00.

the voters of Europe with the institutions that affect their

:33:01.:33:04.

lives. If they are paying attention the EU citizens will find out how it

:33:05.:33:08.

plays all out. Back now to the election, we do have

:33:09.:33:12.

a vote in, and it was the last day of campaigning for them today, din

:33:13.:33:20.

at the end by the enthusiasm for UKIP, Nick Clegg was still out there

:33:21.:33:24.

selling the healthy delights of the European all you can eat buffet.

:33:25.:33:28.

These elections present his party with something novel the their

:33:29.:33:31.

opponents used to be able to say what is the point of voting Lib Dem,

:33:32.:33:35.

they will never form a Government. But now they are the Government, or

:33:36.:33:41.

a bit of it at least, problem, we report now from Kingston where they

:33:42.:33:45.

have been a big force for years, but are now looking at quite another

:33:46.:33:52.

prospect. Doesn't look like a hot bed of

:33:53.:33:58.

activism. But when it came to turfing people out of their homes,

:33:59.:34:03.

house boats, Kingston river so Ied was the scene of high political

:34:04.:34:09.

drama and the local liberals' big chance. The pride in the Riverside

:34:10.:34:14.

heritage has come in for harsh criticism recent low. Last night 40

:34:15.:34:19.

families who lived right on the river, descended on the build hall

:34:20.:34:26.

in furious of the council's destruction of a long standing river

:34:27.:34:30.

tradition. Protesting with the safely middle-class boat people

:34:31.:34:33.

helped them bed into the council where they eventually took control

:34:34.:34:37.

from the Tories. Now the Liberal Democrats have won this town for 12

:34:38.:34:41.

years, this time tomorrow it could be all over. Roger rose to be leader

:34:42.:34:47.

of the only, having fought for the rights of those who prefer life on

:34:48.:34:53.

the Thames gentle way. Tories hate it, they can't understand why anyone

:34:54.:34:58.

would want to lead such an alternative life, they prefer to

:34:59.:35:03.

them as river gypsies and they were people like you and I? Now you are

:35:04.:35:08.

in Government you can't be the house boat campaigners, but y can't be the

:35:09.:35:14.

recipients of the protest vote? It has made it harder, there is no

:35:15.:35:19.

denying that, some people feel let down, I suppose, by some of the

:35:20.:35:26.

things which our parliamentary colleagues have had to do. In a

:35:27.:35:31.

sense that is coalition politics. There is no coalition in Kingston.

:35:32.:35:34.

You wait so long to be in power, and when we are it doesn't go the way we

:35:35.:35:41.

would hope. A polite understatement. Escaping third party obscurity has

:35:42.:35:46.

meant major unpopularity. In tomorrow's vote the Lib Dems might

:35:47.:35:50.

lose half their councillor, officials are briefing they could

:35:51.:35:54.

say goodbye to all of their MEPs. Lovely as it is to mess around on

:35:55.:35:59.

the river, campaigning in the local and European elections is more than

:36:00.:36:04.

just a past time, more than their rivals, the Lib Dem base is built on

:36:05.:36:11.

councillors, envelope stuffers and door knockers, they are all vital to

:36:12.:36:15.

the pet. Members of the European Parliament are a crucial part offier

:36:16.:36:20.

infrastructure, even if a training ground for future leaders. After six

:36:21.:36:26.

months of the worst-ever polls since they joined the coalition, can the

:36:27.:36:33.

Lib Dems face challenge from either two. It took years of local graft to

:36:34.:36:37.

build their place. So the Lib Dem's best chance at a

:36:38.:37:10.

decent scorecard is holding places where they are already dug in.

:37:11.:37:15.

Broadly keeping Tories out in southern spots like Kingston and

:37:16.:37:20.

Labour at bay elsewhere. Do these Thames side voters want more of the

:37:21.:37:26.

same? There are sometimes when you think oh my God what are they doing,

:37:27.:37:29.

on the whole they are not do too bad. We haven't got a post box on

:37:30.:37:34.

the estate, the bus doesn't run on Sunday, anyone with their 80s has to

:37:35.:37:40.

walk to the main road to get a bus. I'm lucky I live there. We have

:37:41.:37:44.

bikes riding on the pavement all the time. I don't think they have done

:37:45.:37:51.

wadly but Mr Cameron early in charge. I'm not so sure about that.

:37:52.:37:59.

A dreadful set of results won't be a surprise to any Lib Dem. Says this

:38:00.:38:03.

former adviser to Nick Clegg. But might bring forward the moment when

:38:04.:38:09.

bigger realities have to be face. Local Lib Dems have been in power

:38:10.:38:13.

locally over the years. They are paying the penalty for party at

:38:14.:38:17.

national level finally getting into power for the first time. The party

:38:18.:38:20.

is kinding it difficult to deal with understandably, but it is a

:38:21.:38:25.

challenge they have to face. If in the long-term the next five or

:38:26.:38:29.

sentence years that will clearly have an impact on the ability to

:38:30.:38:33.

calm pan. Whether fending off the Conservatives here or fighting

:38:34.:38:37.

Labour in the northern towns, or the SNP, UKIP or greens in other parts

:38:38.:38:44.

of the country. Being a national Government has Scotched the question

:38:45.:38:47.

Lib Dems used to get on the doorstep. What is the point of

:38:48.:38:51.

voting for you, you will never be in charge. But if decisions taken in

:38:52.:38:57.

coalition erode local support dramatically, in the long-term how

:38:58.:39:04.

will the party really sustain. The next few days will be painful,

:39:05.:39:08.

although they don't directly dictate next May. But the demand they will

:39:09.:39:13.

urge is what happens if the Lib Dems keep on losing, how does the party

:39:14.:39:25.

now in power stop its relevance floating away. The deputy leader of

:39:26.:39:30.

the Liberal Democrats is in Aberdeen. What's your explanation

:39:31.:39:38.

for why you are doing so badly? I'm not prepared to say that until the

:39:39.:39:42.

polls are closed and votes counted. That may be your line, but Nick

:39:43.:39:49.

Clegg's word published in the Guardian tomorrow, in the event of

:39:50.:39:54.

you getting no seats or up to two seats you should say you are

:39:55.:39:58.

disappointed but the party remains resolute this was expected at this

:39:59.:40:03.

point in electoral cycles? To be clear what we are saying is some of

:40:04.:40:08.

the polls if they were right would lead to a setback. I don't think we

:40:09.:40:12.

should judge them before they are closed, that is the point. As far as

:40:13.:40:17.

the overall position is concerned. We have fought the European

:40:18.:40:21.

elections on a straight and honest and pro-European ticket. We have to

:40:22.:40:26.

be it clearly a taken on UKIP, and we are in favour of European reform

:40:27.:40:32.

or to contemplate Britain leaving. We have nothing to be ashamed of and

:40:33.:40:37.

people do not say they don't know what the Liberal Democrats stand

:40:38.:40:40.

for. Perhaps they know too much and that is why you are predicting you

:40:41.:40:46.

will get a hammering? I'm not prepared to accept that. Your party

:40:47.:40:51.

is? Why is it issuing guidance to people as to bah they should say

:40:52.:40:57.

when -- to what they should say when confronted with terrible guidance? I

:40:58.:41:00.

will make a judgment of the results when I see them. If we have setbacks

:41:01.:41:06.

we have to evaluate how we mean and take it back. We have gone into

:41:07.:41:09.

coalition something that is a political party. I have been a

:41:10.:41:13.

member of this party for half a century. I didn't join it as a quick

:41:14.:41:20.

fix in Government. I believe we have accepted our responsibility and

:41:21.:41:23.

delivered radical changes on the tax cuts. Something that David Cameron

:41:24.:41:27.

said couldn't be done. We have probably delivered the most radical

:41:28.:41:33.

reform of pensions since Lloyd job. We have delivered apresent at

:41:34.:41:35.

thisesships for young people that wouldn't have happened without the

:41:36.:41:40.

Liberal Democrats. We have waived the way of coalition. Even at the

:41:41.:41:53.

price of the -- emplosion of the party? We are in Government and

:41:54.:41:57.

shouldn't walk away, but neither apologise for the things we have

:41:58.:42:00.

achieved. We have a situation, not from your point of view I understand

:42:01.:42:03.

it, but I find it extraordinary that a party that has helped bring down

:42:04.:42:09.

the deficit, interest rates low, seeing sustainable growth across all

:42:10.:42:17.

sectors, that has contributed t tax threshold to ?10. , 500. It is

:42:18.:42:25.

reasonable to say to people this is what we have done and more like

:42:26.:42:28.

that, but we didn't do it unless you vote for us. We have to fight for

:42:29.:42:35.

those votes. Thank you very much. The world of sport has spent the day

:42:36.:42:41.

trying to recover from the news that Tour de Romandie maying Yaya Toure

:42:42.:42:49.

might be considering leaving his club. He doesn't feel loved. There

:42:50.:42:53.

was confusion about whether the club it given him a birthday cake with

:42:54.:42:57.

enough icing on it. When you are screwing them for a rumoured

:42:58.:43:03.

?200,000 a week these things matter. We gave Stephen Smith a packet of

:43:04.:43:13.

Hob-Nobes for his birthday, which helped him consider shows of

:43:14.:43:26.

affection in the media. Not since Mary Antoinette decided to eat only

:43:27.:43:34.

cake has a scandal caused such a furore.

:43:35.:43:38.

# Happy birthday to you. Is he trying to have his cake and you

:43:39.:43:47.

know... . Cakegate is the truth. Have we seen the cake? Has the

:43:48.:43:55.

footage been doctored. Are you City engaging in a British Bake Off

:43:56.:44:00.

subterfuge. I won't believe a cake was involved until they send me a

:44:01.:44:05.

piece. It is an extraordinary saga. A grown man, he's 31, he should have

:44:06.:44:11.

reached the able where he doesn't want to be reminded of his birthday.

:44:12.:44:17.

There is a suggestion linked to Yaya Toure's agent where he felt that

:44:18.:44:28.

cake wasn't close to the one the middle eastern owners had. It is

:44:29.:44:37.

very childish f it was his mum and dad that forgot it that would be

:44:38.:44:41.

something. He has made this perhaps to get the recognition he wants and

:44:42.:44:45.

deserves really. He has been a fantastic and crucial player for us

:44:46.:44:52.

this year. Of course it is difficult for hard-working people like you and

:44:53.:44:58.

me to understand how highly strung they can attach such importance for

:44:59.:45:05.

a few FRIP rows. -- friperies. When it comes to perks and sweet meat,

:45:06.:45:16.

football is the new rock 'n' roll. Classic right to demand, Van Halen

:45:17.:45:24.

wanted the promoter to provide bowls of M with the brown ones taken

:45:25.:45:29.

out. There is method behind that apparent madness, if a promoter is

:45:30.:45:35.

bothered enough to extract the brown M, he will be bothered to supply

:45:36.:45:41.

the power supply and the clean towns that you have asked for and the

:45:42.:45:44.

aspect that you asked for and the security. As long as there are

:45:45.:45:50.

winners like Yaya Toure, clubs will indulge their players and agents,

:45:51.:45:54.

particularly as the summer transfer window opens. The Premier League is

:45:55.:46:01.

England as Hollywood, the power structures within it are very

:46:02.:46:07.

similar to Hollywood. The whole pressure comes from the talent. So

:46:08.:46:12.

the money comes into the game in huge amounts and is required to draw

:46:13.:46:16.

talent. Talent recognises that and therefore plays all sorts of games

:46:17.:46:23.

to ensure it gets more of that. Fans might wonder at the hissy fits,

:46:24.:46:28.

but if Yaya Toure stays with the champions this summer, what are the

:46:29.:46:34.

odds that season tickets will sell like... . Very popular things.

:46:35.:46:38.

That is the end of the round up about worries and dysfunction, we

:46:39.:46:43.

should maybe count our blessings, we don't live in Iran where it has

:46:44.:46:47.

apparently become a crime to be happy or dance to Farrell Williams'

:46:48.:46:56.

cheerful song of that name. Young people dancing on a video from were

:46:57.:47:01.

arrested and paraded on state TV before eventually being released. It

:47:02.:47:06.

just looks like they are having fun to most of us.

:47:07.:47:13.

# Because I'm happy # Clap along if you feel like

:47:14.:47:17.

happiness is a truth # Because I'm happy

:47:18.:47:24.

# Clap along if you know what happiness is for you.

:47:25.:47:30.

# Lap along if you feel that's what you want to do

:47:31.:47:34.

# Clap along if you know # What happiness is to you

:47:35.:47:41.

# Clap along if you feel like that's what you want to do.

:47:42.:47:57.

# Clap along if you feel like that's what you want to do. Good evening,

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could be a bit noisy tonight across England and Wales, heavy thundery

:48:05.:48:08.

rain working northwards. Heavy rain still there across northern England

:48:09.:48:10.

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