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The rape and murder of two teenage cousins in India


highlights once again the entrenched problem of sexual violence towards


TRANSLATION: When I went to the police they asked me what car system


I belong to and then I asked -- then they asked why I had come to them. I


begged and pleaded for help. I'll be asking the campaigner


Gita Sahgal why politicians and the police seem incapable


of treating women as equals. In next week's Newark by-election,


the Conservatives will be trying to At least one illustrious toff has


had his nose bloodied here in the past. Charles I surrendered the town


to a people's army back in the Civil War, and it was never the same


again. Could a similar fate be about to befall David Cameron?


Ed Miliband says he no longer reads British newspapers.


Is he out of touch or ahead of the curve?


I'll be asking some of Fleet Street's finest and the bureau chief


The terrible images of two teenage Indian girls hanging from a tree,


apparently killed after a gang rape in Uttar Pradesh, have been beamed


around the world, drawing attention again to India's dismal record on


preventing sexual violence, despite tougher laws enacted after


the fatal gang rape of a student on a bus in New Delhi in 2012.


Two alleged perpetrators have been arrested and the search is on


A word of warning, Jim Reed's report contains very disturbing images


Put them in jail, we will just not accept this. So when the childs in


Delhi today. Students protested outside government offices.


Politicians inside grappled with another shocking case of sexual


violence. 150 miles away, the village of Katra Shahadatganj, a


very disturbing scene. Two girls murdered. Aged just 14 and 16, they


were found only in the morning. Both were raped before they were killed.


The girls disappeared crossing and Orchard Field to find a toilet.


Villagers angry at the police response refused to cut the bodies


down. One of the go's fathers said he went to the police but they would


not help because he was from a lower caste.


TRANSLATION: When I first went to the police, they asked me what cost


belong to and then asked why I had come to them. They said, you people


create trouble for yourselves. Two police officers have now been sacked


and a third has been accused of conspiring with the killers. A


spokesman told Newsnight the whole judicial system needs to change.


Discrimination based on caste is technically illegal in India but


human rights groups say it is commonplace. Young women from a


lower cost group are often the most vulnerable to sexual abuse. -- lower


caste. The case has been leading news bulletins or week in India. A


country which has been trying to deal with a string of high-profile


sexual assault cases. There is utter outrage... In 2012, a student in


Delhi was raped and murdered on a bus. That triggered nationwide


protests and a change in the law, making gang rape punishable by


death, even in cases where the victim survives. In India, rape as a


crime is still rarely reported. According to official figures, there


are just six cases for every 100,000 citizens, a fraction of the rate in


the UK. Just 9% of those make it a trial and just 2% ending conviction.


Both girls were cremated earlier this week in the village of Katra


Shahadatganj. Two suspects in their murder, both brothers, are in


custody. Police are searching for a third man.


Well, a short while ago, I spoke to Gita Sahgal, the former


head of Amnesty International's gender unit, and the great niece of


There was an attitude that in the wake of the horrific bus killings in


2012 that there would be a change in sexual attitudes towards women, but


in fact have things got any better for the vast majority of women in


India? I don't think things have got better for the vast majority of


women India but what has happened is there has been a big debate and


young people in particular are really not willing to tolerate what


they might once have tolerated, so women are coming out and saying they


will go out, they will be out in public, they will travel on public


transport, and they want to be able to do these things safely, and they


feel profoundly unsafe. And indeed I wonder if they feel that fear is


reinforced, in a way, by the recent elections? For example, we have the


former chief minister of Uttar Pradesh saying, boys will be boys,


and his son now is chief minister. Of those attitudes are entrenched in


politics, why should things change? I think the elections showed some


pretty awful trends. He and various other politicians made remarks which


showed they thought there was some electoral mileage in supporting


people who raped. And that really is astonishing. They were reacting


against the movements of women coming out, of trying to speak to a


constituency that they felt would appreciate their remarks and say it


was open season on women and rape. And misogyny can be worn as a badge


of honour by many different politicians. A number of other


politicians have said, if you wear the wrong sort of clothes, you are


at risk. This isn't, of course, you need to India. People have said this


in Great Britain, they have said it in America, in many other places. I


think what is particularly appalling in India, though, is that we have a


country where rape has been quite consciously used as a weapon of


division and a weapon of war. In religious conflict, in caste


conflict. And where you have the state itself implicated in many


cases. Police, of course, have been criticised over this horrific latest


rape and hanging, and that if anything is to be done by virtue of


what we saw in 2012 and this, it is a kind of re-education of the


police, and that clearly hasn't happened. There are people trying to


conduct change in rounds of various police forces but, no, it is


endemic, and the problem is, it comes from the top. I don't think


one can blame simply the individual policemen. You have been campaigning


against sex or violence and rape for many, many years, not just in


India, but also in Britain. And I wonder if you are despondent or if


you can see something which might lead to change? I think I can't


afford to be despondent. I think things are very bad and I don't


actually think they are going to get worse because rape is simply a sign,


one sign, of a society that is increasingly being brutalised, and


if society in general is being brutalised them rape will go on


happening and we have a very long history of it. Rape happens across


different religious communities and then it has happened repeatedly in


massacre after massacre in India. In every single year since


independence. So we have a brutal history. And a very brutal present.


Gita Sahgal, thank you very much for joining us.


If the Conservatives could have planned the electoral calendar,


the last thing they would have wanted after UKIP's performance


in the European elections would have been a by-election caused


by the disgrace and resignation of the incumbent Tory MP.


But next Thursday, in the East Midlands seat of Newark,


where Patrick Mercer had a 16,000 majority,


We sent Stephen Smith to this historic Civil War site to see how


the parties are lining up for battle. Four centuries ago,


the parties are lining up old stones of Newark Castle ran to


the sounds of musket and Pike, as the old order wobbled on its axis.


At least one illustrious toff had the old order wobbled on its axis.


has his -- had had his nose bloodied here in the past. Charles


has his -- had had his nose bloodied surrendered the tower to a people's


army during the Civil War and it was never the same again. Could the same


fate be about to befall David Cameron? Now UKIP is mustering its


still keep -- it's Roman in a bid to take Newark from the Tories.


still keep -- it's Roman in a bid to say the party harks back to some


mythical England that never really was. I wonder when UKIP feels


Britain was last at its best? How far would you to turn the clock


back? What an question! Nobody is turning the clock back. We're


looking at the future of Great Britain as a nation connected with


the world, not an offshore province in a nation called Europe. You seem


to have a down on gay marriage, immigration, of course. If you look


at the MEPs elected last week, they include more than a quarter as


women, and Asian-Muslim and also an openly gay UKIP MEP from Scotland.


These are Conservative Party balloons. Bright, pretty baubles are


a speciality of the Tory balloons. Bright, pretty baubles are


who is a director of a well-known London auction house. You don't feel


you are a slightly rarefied object, with all due respect to being here?


As a career politician? I think most people here respond to having


someone who is a bit younger, has some energy, wants to get things


done but has some experience before going into politics. What I hope I


have proved in the last six months is genuine care for the area. I've


moved here with my family and spent a lot of time... But the UKIP Khai


has been here all his life, hasn't the? -- UKIP guy? Well, I can't


think of anything he has achieved in the last four years. Once again, the


big guns have been wheeled out in Newark. The grandees of the major


parties have been here in recent days, reeling from the explosion of


UKIP showing at the European elections. So are the locals


suitably impressed by all this action? These are the dungeons at


Newark Castle. He would go so far as to say they would like to see


politicians incarcerated here. -- few would go. It is difficult to


find much love for them. How do you feel about voting in general? Do you


want the truth? I don't know. I think it's a waste of time. I'd end


really bother with it. I never ready have done. Do you ever vote here?


I'm not voting. Why not? I don't want to. Do you generally? No. I do


get it, I don't vote. They kick and scream if we don't get our word


across. If not, how can we moan? scream if we don't get our word


won't find scream if we don't get our word


turn in Newark market. But if the bloom is well and truly off party


politics, as some believe, how are the candidates responding? Labour


won the seat as recently as 97. But all the attraction seems to be with


UKIP. Look, this is normally a safe seat for David Cameron so I am sure


this is giving him a huge headache. But people feel let down that their


energy bills are up and some people voted Lib Dem in 2010 and now let


down because they support a tax cut for millionaires and tuition fees.


And people are saying, I'm the only truly local candidate in this race.


I couldn't see your leader's face on the leaflet there. Is he a liability


view? No. This is all about local issues and campaigns and talking


about what we have done across the constituency. Nick Clegg has been a


brilliant leader for us and we have achieved an awful lot with him


leading the party in government and I hope he will stay as our leader


for years to come. Some here are striving to get to Westminster.


Others streamed their George Osborne's runaway cat, happy to have


as little as possible to do with the place.


And this is the full list of candidates that are contesting


any in other parts of the United Kingdom but there is now evidence of


a disturbing further dimension. Stormont politician Anna Lo is the


UK's only parliamentarian of Chinese origin and was the first vice-chair


of the Northern Ireland Council for Ethnic Minorities. But now she says


she's had enough of racist abuse by loyalists and sectarianism and is


getting out of Northern Irish politics and perhaps Northern


Ireland itself, her home for more than 30 years. She joins us now.


Somebody who went to Northern Ireland at the height of The


Troubles, and lived there through all The Troubles, you say you feel


vulnerable and even scared. So why? Well, we certainly have seen an


increase of racist attacks on ethnic minorities in recent months. I was


on a - I was very, very angry when the First Minister of Northern


Ireland, head of our Government, coming out to support a Past wor who


had made very -- Pastor who had made very racist, sweeping negative


comments on a Muslim community and so I was very angry and I was very


concerned for people in ethnic minority communities and there may


be further increase in racism in Northern Ireland. But what's


happened to you personally, have you felt abuse? Yes, I certainly have


experienced threats. I have experienced abuse, online abuse and


also a recent incident in a shopping centre. You were chased? Yes. And


are you sure it is only coming from loyalists, I gather that's what you


are saying? Well, it's difficult to know, but the majority of the online


abuse would appear to be from loyalists in reaction to our party


stance on the flags issue and my comments calling for the union flags


to be taken down from lamp-posts and to have paramilitary murals painted


before the start of the Giro d'Italia which took place in


Northern Ireland and I got a backlash from loyalist communities.


Do you feel that Northern Ireland is your home? Northern Ireland is very


much my home. As you said, I came there in 1974, at the height of The


Troubles. I loved the place, I love the people and I worked in the


voluntary sector, in social services and in politics now for seven years.


I gather you spoke to Martin McGuinness on the phone,


I gather you spoke to Martin you talk about? He was sympathetic


and wanted to come and see me after the executive committee meeting,


afternoon but unfortunately I had to afternoon but unfortunately I had to


be back to my constituency office but we had a good chat on the phone.


He but we had a good chat on the phone.


anything that would perintad you but we had a good chat on the phone.


overwhelming show of for for you, particularly what you


overwhelming show of for for you, week, would you reconsider leaving


Northern Ireland? I am absolutely heartened and really grateful and


appreciate the thousands of messages from people of Northern Ireland. And


the two rallies organised by people from the public and also NGOs


the two rallies organised by people really has restored my faith in the


good people of Northern Ireland. I really has restored my faith in the


know we have a very small minority of people


know we have a very small minority you stay in Northern Ireland, do


know we have a very small minority think? Yes, I will. Well, thank you


very much. think? Yes, I will. Well, thank you


It might be the depressing nature think? Yes, I will. Well, thank you


adverse commentary think? Yes, I will. Well, thank you


just the grubby newsprint but whatever it is,


in British newspapers. If this was said about you, would


you even If this was said about you, would


an interview with a website Ed Miliband


an interview with a website Ed much British news. You get a lot of


advice in the newspapers of what much British news. You get a lot of


should do. It's much more important to follow your own path. Instead,


should do. It's much more important his favourite reading material is


the American online news compendum Real Clear Politics. Is that a good


idea for a man who wants to be British Prime Minister? MrsThatcher


couldn't find much time for the papers. Newsnight asked the


Government's two leaders what they read and we can exclusively reveal:


Nick Clegg reads a range of newspapers and frequently watches


news output across a range of platforms. He reads a novel at the


end of the day before going to bed. Sir Harold Evans has edited the


Sunday Times and The Times. Elinor Good sman a freelance journalist and


former political editor of Channel 4 and Karl Cannon is the Washington


Bureau Chief of Real Clear Politics. Is Ed Miliband right to ignore


British newspapers? Well, I understand why he has revolted by


some of the attacks on him which - but I am surprised for a Labour man


wishing to take the bread out of the mouths of starving hacks. I mean, is


there no sympathy left for the working classes who carry a pen? On


a more serious point... Seriously. It's a grave deficiency, the curious


thing is I am an admirer of the web, my wife started The Daily Beast, you


have to know that some websites are not reliable. They may flatter


MrMiliband you with don't flatter the concept of integrity. The actual


buzzfeed website that got this interview, it's hard to tell on that


site what's news and what is advertising. You have to be careful


in dismissing newspapers. I have to say not always are newspapers


accurate. But it's understandable that Ed Miliband may not want to be


drawn in to, for example, adverse comment, even from perhaps


commentators that he admires. I can quite understand why he doesn't want


to read the papers every day and perhaps why aides don't want them to


see them in - he would be so depressed, look at Nick Clegg, I


mean, he says he does read the papers, God knows how he can manage


it. He would choke over his breakfast. We have recent surveys


which show that 73% of adults still read a daily newspaper each day,


isn't there a danger that Ed Miliband is out of touch with the


majority of the voters, voters he badly needs? An awful lot of


floating voters don't read the papers which is one of the problems


politicians have in communicating with them. Obviously this is a


danger that he may be bounced in some way out of a TV studio, what's


your about what One Direction were up to a cab or whatever. The serious


danger is that politicians do need the minuteae of the coverage every


day, as Tony Blair admit, become obsessed with tomorrow's headlines


and micoro-manage. The serious danger is at the moment for Clegg is


just being demoralised and for Miliband too. Imagine seeing


yourself eating a bacon buttie like that. You must be flattered that Ed


Miliband says you are the go-to website at Real Clear Politics but


it's extraordinary, I look at your website and there is a tiny amount


of British political news. It's all American news. Well, he spent a


couple of years in Boston as a kid and we - there is real clear sports


and energy, I wonder if he is going to the site to find out how the


Boston Red Sox did. In seriousness, if you want a good report op


American politics, we have our own coverage. It's a good place to get a


report. As a British politician, it's probably not enough for you.


Especially a man who is only a year to the next election. Do you think


that there is a change in the way - are newspapers more brutal, less


considered, is there more to concern politicians, is the debate more


base? I think New York's got a problem. We may have lost New York.


We are taking it as read as if Miliband doesn't really read the


papers. He himself admits that he is given a digest. After all, he was


speaking on this news station, I think politicians always want to


give the impression they don't read the newspapers. John Major did the


same. To suggest that you read the papers every day, every headline, it


implies a certain weakness, that you are about to be bossed around by


them. Seriously I don't think he completely ignores what's going On


Our Way On Our Way -- on, on the British agenda. What do you think Ed


Miliband is missing in terms of his political direction and development


by not reading the newspapers? Well, I think you never know, who know


what is a newspaper's going to turn up. I was thinking as you were


talking of various fantastic stories that emerged in the newspaper with


the depth to do them properly and photographs, etc. At the same time,


there is no doubt about it, newspapers in print are in serious


decline. But you have to never underrate what a newspaper may turn


up when you have really good reporters on the job and what


surprises me somewhat about Ed Miliband, although I totally


symphathise with his revulsion f you want to know what people are


thinking, even with about ten million newspaper readers, you need


to Joe what undercurrents are emerging through the newspapers --


you need to know. It would be inconceivable for earn American


President to say they didn't look at the Chicago Times or the was wassen


to -- Boston Globe, it would be inconceivable for them to admit


that? No, actually George W Bush gave an interview to a respected


journalist at ABC and then went to Fox news and said he didn't read


newspapers, I was kind of astonishing, liberal critics said


see, he is dumb and admits it. I had dinner with President Bush at the


White House, I was President of an association and I asked him, I said


what is this, you don't read newspapers? He said, well, I kind of


read newspapers but I don't read the columnists, the opinion columnists.


Then Laura Bush overheard us and piped up and she said, he does too


read the newspapers. I wish he would quit saying that. I said - I said,


MrsBush, the President does read newspapers? She said, he brings them


into bed every morning. I would take a grain of salt with it that Ed


Miliband never really reads newspapers. It would be


inconceivable an American President would cite a British website as his


main go-to for political information? It's a very good


website. An unusual for an American President to cite, or American


candidate for presidency to cite a British political website as his


go-to for information. The problem about saying that's your go-to


website t may seem cool in sort of northern intellectual circles around


Hampstead or wherever as such still exists but it's not exactly making


him one of the people. You can just look at Twitter and things today and


you can see and the aggrieved tone of some of the British newspapers


suggesting this reinforces the idea that Miliband is out of touch. Thank


you very much. We try not to pander to politicians on Newsnight but


tonight for Ed Miliband's delectation we have decided to


include the online digital content of the papers, The Huffington Post,


UK first. The Culture Secretary to review all aspects of the BBC,


including the licence fee. Buzzfeed, problems everyone in northern call


-- in Cornwall can understand. And Real Clear Politics.


Well, time was when spelling bees were all the rage, in America they


still are. Fr the first time since 1962 the final of the annual Scripps


National Spelling Behas been tied between two contestants. We thought


you might like an opportunity to play along at at home. Here is the


word that gave Ansun Sujoe his joint victory: Feuilleton. Good night and


good luck. Any pronounceations? Feuilleton.


Can you please repeat the word? Sure. Feuilleton. No more questions.


Get the letters out there. OK. Whatever.


LAUGHTER However you say it, just spell it.




Co-champions for weekend looks mostly fine across the


vast majority of the UK, avoiding the rain. This is how Saturday


looks. Some cloud around and the odd shower down the spine of England and


Wales but most places are avoiding these. Northern Ireland looking OK.


Scotland having spells of sunshine. Any showers will be very isolated


indeed with temperatures inland responding to the sunshine nicely.


Some cooling sea breezes on the coast. The odd shower popping up


over the Pennines and the Midlands, but these will be fairly isolated.


Reasonable spells of sunshine across the south-east with temperatures a


degree or two higher than they have been. Over the western coast


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