26/08/2014 Newsnight


Lasting truce in Gaza? The Rotherham abuse inquiry, Nigel Farage interviewed, an ex-Nato general calls for rearmament, and Kate Bush reviewed. With Laura Kuenssberg.

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Not willing to listen, not willing to act.


How the authorities let down more than a 1,000 children,


No matter what is done now, if it is investigated now it won't change


that, it was too late, it should have been


Is Europe still capable of fighting this off?


One of NATO's former top brass thinks not.


. It is going, European nations will have to put their money in their


pocket and put their hands in their pockets to spend more money on


defence. And the good people of Thanet south


in Kent will have the chance to choose him as an MP, why is Nigel


Farage so sure he will get elected? # If I only could


# Make a deal with God # And get him to swap our places


We couldn't all squeeze in at the back but we will hear what Kate Bush


was like on stage more than 30 years on.


For years children in the Yorkshire down of Rotterham were being raped


and warned off if they threatened to tell. An independent inquiry shows


they were victims not once but twice over, because the authorities whose


job it was to protect them knew and didn't act to end it, the report's


author tells us tonight we need a national system to track this kind


of systematic, often violent abuse, grooming seems far too polite a


word. We will hear from her in a moment. First here is Chris Cook.


Today new light has been shed on one of the darkest of stories. Alexis


Jay, a social work expert, has conducted a review into Rotherham's


child protection. Triggered by a series of reports about sexual


exploitation. In 2010 five local men were prosecuted for abuse, in a case


that propelled the town's problems on to the front pages. But the


results of the review, which look back as far as the late 1990s


suggest that was just one link in a chilling pattern.


It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse the child


victims suffered. They were raped by multiple perpetrator, they were


traffiked to other towns and cities in the north of England. We were


abducted, beaten and intimidated. There were examples of children


being dowsed with petrol and threatened with being set alight.


They were threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes


and threatened they would be the next if they told anyone


The review looked at 66 case files from vulnerable local children,


finding sexual exploitation in 64 cases. The true scale of the problem


is hard to gauge. But the report estimated that 1,400 children may


have been exploited over 16 years from 1997 to 2013.


Whatever the extent of the abuse the incidents rede tailed by the report


are harrowing. This local woman spoke to BBC Panorama, on the


condition of anonymity. I think because the police were aware social


services were aware and you knew that and they still didn't stop him,


I think it encouraged him and it almost became a game to him, he was


untouchable. Or take child A, a case from the report who was identified


by the authorities of being at risk when she was 12 years old, she was


possibly taking drugs, and revealed that she had intercourse with five


adults. Two adults received police cautions after admitting as much to


them. When her case was discussed by local officials a local police


officer argued that she shouldn't be considered a victim of sexual abuse


because he thought that child A had been 100% consensual in every


incident. This was overruled by other local official who is had a


clear understanding that what had happened was a crime. As that case


highlights there were institutional failures that enabled this tragedy.


South Yorkshire Police, the report said, regarded many child victims


with contempt. The council ignored warnings and did not take child


protection seriously, and there was a particular issue around race. The


report notes that by far the majority of the perpetrators were


described as Asian by their victim, but several local staff described


their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators


for fear of being thought racist. Others remembered clear direction


from their managers not to do so. As the report notes, these predatory


men preyed on Asian and white girls alike. The council leader has


resigned, and the police have apologised. I think it is important


we recognise we failed, we let our young people down and from the start


I want to offer a sincere and unreserved apology for victims and


families that we should have done more with. We have commissioned a


number of investigations with the hor at thises calm complaints and we


will continue to work to identify those responsible and bring them to


justice. The extent of the problems in Rotherham are not common, but


some of the local institutional problems revealed by the report are.


Rotherham ought to be a wake-up call to officials everywhere. Professor


Jay who wrote the report said the authorities involved have great deal


to answer for, despite that both Rotherham Council and South


Yorkshire Police declined our invitation for interview. Both


failed to act on repeated warnings in 2002, 2003, and 2006. When I


spoke to Professor Jay earlier I asked her how that could have


happened? It is difficult to understand exactly how it could have


happened because the three reports to which you refer are so clear in


what they are saying about the problem in Rotherham. They couldn't


be less ambiguous. Was there a cover-up then? What was going on in


your view, having studied it so carefully? There were a succession


of senior managers and others in the council and in the police who seem


to hold a very similar view and there seemed to be no form of


challenge to that view. But they even accused some of the younger


workers of exaggerating what they had been finding? That word was used


so frequently by some of the staff who were involved at the time, the


frontline staff, but actually also by others in different positions in


relation to child sexual exploitation, where it was firmly


the belief that there was exaggeration going on about the


scale of the problem. Surely it should be the case that


those people who did not take those concerns seriously, as you have


described, surely they should not be working in this sector today? Well I


can only quote the chief executive who has apparently contacted current


employers of people who were previously employed by the council


to draw their attention to the report and for any action which they


think needs to be taken. Now you did not find evidence in your report


that sensitivities over the thisties had affected decision making. But it


is woven through the words and the concerns in your report, almost on


every page, you report some workers were told by managers not to reveal


the ethnicity of the they were -- perpetrators. Do you think it was


political correctness hiding what was going on? That is a possibility,


it is certainly the case, and I was glad to see it did not affect how


professional social workers approached the work they carried out


with individual children. However, there was a very strong response and


perception, as you say, that ethnic issues played some part in this. And


the number of people I asked why do you think this happened, the same


question as you are asking me, why do you think this happened, many


have come up with that as a possible reason. When it comes, however, to


the sexual exploitation of children, do you think it is the case that any


sensitivity towards diversity, any ethnicity, any gender issues, surely


that should just go out the window, shouldn't the priority be taking


children seriously? Absolutely, and you will see that I make that in one


my recommendations, where any ethnic dimension with any group is a


critical factor then it must be pursued and understood in order to


bring perpetrators to justice. Professor Jay, you have looked in


detail at what was going on in this one town, we know already that it


was happening in several others, but do you think we're anywhere near


really getting a grip of the scale of this problem as a country


overall. I think the fact that we have no national system of reporting


information and gathering data about the problem means that we can't


compare one area with another. I certainly have no evidence to


suggest that Rotherham is very much worse than other places. So it is


impossible to tell and nobody could tell you what the true scale of


child sexual exploitation in Britain is, but it is almost certainly


underestimated significantly. Ought we to have such a national system?


It would certainly help to understand the true scale of the


problem if there was some kind of system for gathering information at


a national level. Thank you very much indeed.


We have the Children's Minister from 2010-2012 in Brighton, and Sarah


Champion is the Rotherham MP and the author of a recent parliamentary


report on child sexual exploitation in Sheffield and also with us


tonight. Sarah Champion you worked in Rotherham for many years before


becoming an MP, did you have any understanding of the scale of what


was revealed today? No, and to be quite honest until I saw the report


I knew there had been incidences of it before, but 1400 children and


young people being abused in that way, and that is 1400 that have had


the courage to come forward, not acknowledged or supported and they


came forward. What terrifies me is the number of children who have been


through the experience and haven't had the courage to come forward. We


have to do something dramatic to make those children know that now we


will listen to them. What is very clear is in the past they weren't


listened to, respected ore taken seriously. When you were Children's


Minister you work veried closely on this issue, were you aware that


police and council members and managers were ignoring warnings of


this kind of problem? Yes, and that was part of the problem, back in


2011 I launched the child sexual exploitation action plan, it was a


major piece of work. It brought together police, Children's


Services, academics, children's charities and lots of experts to say


we have to get a grip on this. That happened because of the Operation


Retriever and the Derby case, and the appalling cases of the children


abused again by Pakistani gangs, it brought it all out into the


daylight. Because those people were pursued and prosecuted more people


then came forward and people started to take this seriously, starting


with the police and with Children's Services. I think that has changed


everything. It is still going on and it is still a major problem, but we


have realised it is a problem and much more is being done about it, in


Rotherham it is a very serious problem. Given that framework that


you put in place though, you must be alarmed to hear from Professor Jay


that in her view this kind of thing is not just still going on, but


troubled children are still being sometimes turned away, even the very


victims identified in this report aren't getting the help they need.


Has the Government lost sight of the problem since you departed? No, I


hope the Government hasn't lost sight of the problem and lots of


good, practical things are happening, but it required a change


in mind set. Clearly what has come out in the Rotherham case and it is


not unique to Rotherham is that the police in the interests it seems of


political correctness were turning a blind eye, shuffling under the


carpet the activities of serious abuser, rapist criminals and


torturers, that is a disgrace and can't be allowed to happen any more.


The police have been trained and brought around the table to work


with other agencies to make sure they are clamping down on this sort


of thing. There isn't any excuse for this, whatever the ethnic background


of the people perpetrating this, they are criminals and it must be


stopped. They must be brought to justice. And a lot of them are now


being brought to justice and a lot of them are now in jail. Not enough,


more has to be done to bring more of them to justice. There is though the


role here of the authorities looking the other way. Now your constituents


know tonight that nobody working in your town, who is implicated in this


report is still in child protection services in your town, but they may


well be Lord working elsewhere, and indeed we know from Professor Jay


that the chief executive of the council has written to their current


employers, essentially to warn them, should people implicated here still


be working in child protection? I have very grave concerns about that.


I mean clearly what has happened is whilst the frontline staff were very


aware of the problems and really trying to make the voices of those


young people heard, the more senior managers were, I don't know if they


were turning a blind eye to it, I don't know what their justification


could possibly be for this because I don't think there is any, but the


fact that they could be still working in child protection of


course that is something that, well, I think all of us are very concerned


about that and it is something we need to investigate really fast. I


know that the chief executive has written to all of their employers,


but it is the fact that sort of benign neglect of the children that


they are meant to be taking care of could still be going on will concern


everyone. Indeed not a single person has been sacked or disciplined, if


you were still Children's Minister tonight, would you be content with


that? Would you be content with people still working elsewhere in


child protection? I certainly wouldn't, and I'm afraid it is too


common a theme that when these scandals take place, be in Haringey


and Rochdale or whatever, that actually nobody or very few people


actually pay the consequences and are sacked. Frankly in the case of


Rotherham a social worker responsible for protecting


vulnerable children, to turn a blind eye to a 12-year-old having sexual


relationships with a stranger twice, three times at her age and to say


well that was consensual sex and to do nothing about it, that person has


absolutely no place in anything to do with vulnerable children. If they


are still practising anywhere they shouldn't be. Frankly, we do need to


look at the records of some of the people who were in positions of


responsibility when this sort of abuse was going on in Rotherham and


other places. It is not good enough just to say well I wasn't there when


all this was happening. At least the leader of the council, not saying


he's directly responsible, but this stuff was happening when he was at


the helm has done the decent thing and stood down. There are


practitioners whose day-to-day jobs are to look after vulnerable


children and have clearly failed and failed vulnerable children. Thank


you very much for being with us tonight.


Now, explosions on the streets in Gaza tonight marked not more


violence, but a ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians after


weeks of fighting and 2,000 deaths. The deal brokered by Egypt brings an


easing of border restrictions on Gaza, but previous ceasefires have


not lasted. Will this one be any different. We're there tonight.


Certainly on the streets of Gaza tonight people seem to think it will


be, because they came out in their many thousand, they were celebrating


and not just the ceasefire but what they were calling victory over


Israel, and in the previous deals we haven't seen that. Some of those


ceasefires lasted a couple of hours, some of them lasted as long as five


days. Certainly the feeling here seems to be this one may well be


different. Perhaps one of the reasons they feel it is different is


because the blockade is being lifted or at least partially lifted, the


blockade that Egypt and Israel enforce around here in Gaza. But


when you look at the details of this deal, it doesn't look very


dissimilar from the ceasefire agreement that was agreed after the


2012 war with Gaza. It is difficult to see really what has been


achieved. When you ask Israelis what has been achieved they will say that


they have removed a number of key Hamas leaders, that they have put


pressure on Hamas, that they have destroyed a network of Hamas tunnel


that is were making their way into Israel in a way that Israel never


really realised before. Some would blame a failure of intelligence for


that. What have Hamas achieved? 2,000 people plus have died here,


most of them civilians, many women and children. But Hamas has gained a


relevance again, people are suddenly talking about Gaza and their cause


in way that they weren't, certainly internationally they are. And among


Palestinians a group that was perhaps by some seen as being


increase league irrelevant after moving into a dial with the


Palestinian Authority for a unity Government, Hamas which is a body by


supports an armed struggle has shown it can still take the fight to


Israel and it can still be left standing at the end of that fight.


The handshakes could hardly have been more awkward when Vladimir


Putin and Petro. Poroshenko met to try to sort things out today. Russia


flexing its muscles more than local difficulty, if the rest of the world


want to intervene if Russia stretches further would we be strong


enough to do so. One of the most senior men on the continent, Richard


Sheriff former deputy supreme commander at NATO thinks not. We


have been talking to him. Ukraine has put on show detainees who are


members of a Russia paratroop regiment. Moscow admits they crossed


the border but says it was an accident. It is one more sign of a


desire to intimidate Ukraine, says the general who until recently was


NATO's number two and who, as the crisis in eastern European unfolded,


saw gaps between receipt and taking concrete steps. P the issue is how


do they have the forces required. There is a mismatch between the


rhetoric around the North Atlantic Council table about commitment to


operations and what nations are prepared to put on the table. As far


as the potential crisis or the crisis in Eastern Europe and eastern


Ukraine, I think the reality is that NATO would be very hard pressed and


they would find it very difficult to put into the field at sea or into


the air the means required to, particularly on land I would assess,


to counter any form of Russian adventurism. Does that mean that


western Europe is essentially defenceless against Russia? It means


that well now you are getting into the whole question about Europe and


America. Certainly Europe, western Europe would not be able to defend


against, in my view, against Russia without significant support from the


Americans. I think NATO would find it really difficult to get a


division out of the door in quick time. That is 20,000? 20,000 people


out of the door in quick time. Because effectively and certainly in


western Europe what we have seen progressively is a dismantling of


military capability. Do you appreciate that effectively saying


NATO needs to rearm, which is what I think you are saying, is a very


unpopular message in this time of economic stringency? I have no doubt


it is an unpopular message, but it is a message that our political


leadership need to take home and listen to and act on. If they are


serious about ensuring that NATO has the means to defend itself in


future. If you look across the NATO alliance, only four nations out of


28 spend more than the minimum of 2% on GDP that all 28 nations have


signed up to around the North Atlantic Council table. So you have


got significant economic powerhouses within the alliance who spend well


below the 2% of GDP on defence. If NATO is serious about this, it is


going to have to rearm, it is going to have to rebuild capability.


European nations are going to have to put their money in their pocket,


put their hands in their pockets to spend more money on defence.


But Libya where NATO helped topple Colonel Gadaffi shows the risk of


taking action. In recent days Tripoli Airport has been largely


destroyed by rival militias has there is warring in the country.


What responsibility does it bear for the subsequent mess? NATO was asked


to protect and it did the job effectively. When that campaign came


to an end, the air campaign came to the end with the murder of Gadaffi


and the collapse of the regime, NATO stood by, had done the contingency


planning necessary to go in and support the Libyan, whatever Libyan


Government emerged from that aI don'ts, if -- chaos, if it was he


required, the message was no he requirement, no desire for any form


of foreign intervention, so NATO stands back. The resulting chaos is


plain and evident for all to see. This is one of the realities of the


strategic context we see at the moment.


The desire to protect vulnerable minorities in northern Iraq now


plays its part in a new intervention. The Jihadists of ISIS,


now calling themselves the Islamic State, have beheaded and massacred


Iraqis and Syrians alike. How far should the UK follow America's lead


and what should the objective be? I think the first priority is to


protect, but ultimately the priority must be to eradicate Islamic State,


as an external threat, because of the potential impact on the Middle


East, on our friends in the Middle East, but also its potential impact


if this incubus is allowed to survive, the potential impact on our


security on our external security, whether it is through the import of


terrorism whatever, but also there is a very clear issue as far as the


internal security is concerned, given the number of British and


other western borders. UK? It is not just a British problem but one that


applies right across western Europe. Does that mean that US, UK end up


fighting Islamic State in Syria? Being effectively on the same side


Ascarate sad? -- as Assad? There can be no eradication of Islamic State


without a regional approach. They are operating and have spread into


Syria and therefore there is likely to be or inevitably going to be a


need to sit down and talk to difficult bed fellow, bad people.


The Prime Minister has been very direct in saying that the Islamic


State has to be counted, has to be -- countered and has to be reversed


and ultimately defeated. How achievable is that? It is one thing


to say that we are going to deal with t but you have to back up your


words with actions. And in my view we should therefore rule out nothing


and going back to what the Prime Minister has said, ruling out combat


boots, or boots on the ground and saying as he did in the paper the


other day we don't want to fight, is immediately giving your opposition


15 or 30 points up at the beginning of the match. I think we must apply


all the levers of power, political, diplomatic, economic and military.


But above all we need to establish the international political will to


deal with this, and of course in the NATO summit coming up there is a


real opportunity. Just in case you were thinking or


hoping you had a few more days peace and quiet from MPs before the poor


dears have to come back from holidays, today was a big day for


two wannabes you have heard of. Boris Johnson gave away the worst


kept secret in politics, he wants to stand as an MP in the west London


constituency of Uxbridge and West Ruislip, and the other UK politician


recoginsable by only his first name went a step further. Nigel Farage,


the UKIP leader was chosen as his party's candidate for Thanet south


in Kent. We went along to witness the celebrations.


Mr Nigel Farage. This was always going to be more of an inauguration


than a selection process. The press were invited to film the Hustings in


South Thanet, a good sign the result was never in doubt. The race here is


now shaping up to be the most interesting battle of the next


general election. South Thanet is prime UKIP territory. I was a four


handicap golfer and there were lots of golf courses here, and another


one of my hobbies, there is quite a lot of pubs I notice. When it is


clear you can see France from the beach here in Ramsgate, not today in


this weather. It might just be 30 miles away, but Europe and


immigration are worries here, as a wider concerns about jobs and the


economy. At the cafe works Miriam, a UKIP voter in the past and the kind


of supporter Nigel Farage will be banking on come May. Looking at the


party's policies what attracts you to the policies? Sorting out


immigration because it is way out of hand. I think somebody needs to rein


it in and do something about it. I like Nigel Farage. I think he's an


OK bloke. He doesn't deserve to have eggs thrown at him! Over the last 30


years South Thanet has blown with the political wind, Labour in 1997


backed a Conservative in 2010. But reporters at the local paper say the


shift to UKIP feels more than a protest vote, a poll last month put


the party ahead in this seat for the first time, after big gains in local


elections last year. The County Council, where they just swept in


and took seven out of the eight seats was a bit of a shock,


especially for the Conservatives who lost their seats. But since then


they have just seemed to be going from strength-to-strength. The


orthodox view is UKIP will take votes from the Tories, both in this


seat and nationally as the local elections showed, Nigel Farage is


more than capable of winning in Labour strongholds. Europe is an


issue and people are worried about the amount of money that seems to go


to Europe, but I know locally we have benefitted fatastically through


European funding, particularly objective 2 ERDF and other monies.


That is a hard argument to make at the moment? It is difficult to


remind people of how we benefit from connections with Europe. This is not


good news for you, Mr Farrage standing, this will make your job


more difficult you would have thought? We will do the exact same


thing we have been doing for the last a 13 months, knock on the doors


and speak to people about the issues, that is what I have done all


the time I have been involved in politics. You will not get down the


pub with your pint straight way? No! As for the Conservatives they won't


were keen to talk to us today, saying all this is a distraction


from the work they are doing. The new Tory candidate, Craig McKinly is


a former leader of UKIP and a man who has made no secret of his own


euro-sceptic views. How are you doing, nice to meet you. You could


have picked a better day than this. Mr Farrage took to the high street


this afternoon, ahead of his official selection, UKIP has done


well in past elections and to see that support melt away in the


general election that followed. Voter concern with immigration in


particular may break that pattern. A survey today puts the party's


national support at more than 16%. The message he's sending out to the


other parties is that they are not representing the normal people on


the street, especially locally round here, I couldn't tell you what he


thinks about with the hospitals and policing or anything else other than


the immigration, but it has got him to where he is. He's all about the


white British rather than Britain as a whole. I do agree with the fact


that we need to limit how many people are coming into the country,


we are a small island nation and we are getting overcrowded. Somebody


once said I'm David Cameron's worst nightmare. After the European


elections Nigel Farage spoke of a political earthquake, he will be


hoping a result in South Thanet and other target seats will put UKIP in


the heart of Westminster, changing the political landscape for good.


Keen constituency watchers may have noticed that Boris Johnson will be


standing in Uxbridge and south Ruislip, not West Ruislip, earlier I


spoke to the new UKIP candidate for his seat in Kent just after his


selection was announced. Nigel Farage, congratulations on your


selection, you said you want to run in South Thanet because of the


appeal of sea, angling, golf courses and the pub. What is the appeal of


you to Thanet? You know I made a couple of off the cuff remarks about


why I like the place, the UKIP appeal to South Thanet is it is a


well organised local party. A lot of politics is on a voluntary level and


we have a great voluntary group here. That room was packed with all


people of all ages and enthusiasm, the key to this and the key to my


candidacy is the fact that we have managed to establish here a base and


foothold in local Government. Of the eight Kent County Council seats that


cover the island of Thanet we won seven of them, we have won a


district by-election, the whole council is up on the same day of the


general election, and we will fight 56 seats. It won't just be me, it


will be the local candidates, councillors and enthusiasts. That


cocktail is something the Liberal Democrats proved in the 1990s that


with enthusiasm and optimisim it is surprising what you can achieve. If


that base is successful in achieving to attract many votes in that area,


isn't it the case that what you will do is hurt the Conservative vote and


they are the party promising a referendum, just as you do. You are


actually going to make that referendum less likely if you


succeed, aren't you? Well I think in Thanet if you are euro-sceptic and


you vote Conservative, the risk is you might let Labour in. So I don't


think that people will want to vote for an imitation. I think people


want to vote for the real thing. We will be the challengers to the


Labour Party. That's how I see this seat. I see it as a contest between


Aust the Labour Party primarily, and this old fashioned outdated idea


that UKIP voters are all ex-stories is baloney, we are picking up a


large chunk of old Labour votes. You know very well that most of the


voters who choose UKIP from time to time are ex-Conservative voters,


even in that seat there the Conservative member is one of the


founding members of the UKIP, you are not really going to suggest that


you standing might not split the euro-sceptic vote? Let's try this


again, I think that view is total and utter rubbish. We pick up a


majority of votes in Thanet from people who are not Conservative


voters. We pick up not just a big chunk of the old Labour vote, we


also pick up a lot of people who haven't engaged in the political


process for many years or in some cases never at all in their lives.


We saw it in Eastly, if we hadn't taken it the Tories would have


beaten the Liberal Democrats. There are seats like this where UKIP is


the key challenger. If we can get the euro-sceptics to muster around


UKIP, otherwise there is more of a risk that Labour will win. What


happens if you don't win, and if UKIP doesn't send any MPs to


Westminster at the election what will you do? I have absolutely no


idea. That is eight months away. It is funny, all through my career


people have said what will you do if you fail and if you don't succeed.


The answer in life is to fight and stand up for what you believe in. We


have really had an extraordinary year. We have won a national


election in the European elections, our opinion poll ratings are holding


very steady, specialist polling data from people like Lord Ashcroft now


puts us ahead in some parliamentary constituencies, and I think we will


succeed. I think we are going to get MPs elected to


succeed. I think we are going to get year, I don't at at this stage know


how many. If things go the right way for us who knows, we could hold the


balance of power. Nigel Farage, thank you very much


indeed. It has been a long time, a very long


time, a very, very long time since she appeared on the stage.


It is true, not all of you might think that is a shame. But for an


ardent, passionate and considerable group the relative exile of Kate


Bush, 35 years long, has been tragic. Here is a reminder of what


we have been missing from Steven Smith.


# I hear him # Before I go to sleep


# And focus on the day that's been These days pop acts have comebacks


before you notice they have gone. But Kate Bush has been missed for


every one of the 35 years since her last run of concerts. What took her


so long? I'm waiting to meet the man who helped to dream up her last


tour, way back in 1979. I think this is him now!


Thanks for dropping in. Now trading as Simon Drake's House of Magic, he


remembers life on the road with Kate Bush, including the time he was


knocked out cold on stage. I woke up feeling pretty strange lying on the


floor in Kate's arms. She was saying please don't die. Men would pay


money for that? I could have died happily then to be honest, it was


such a big thing that tour at the time, it was like Beatlemania. And


there were 30 people on stage and God knows how many others travelling


around England and Europe. I remember sitting in a kitchen over


ten years ago now and I said it would be great if you just did six


nights at the festival hall, she actually said to me Simon I don't


think anyone really cares any more, they don't know who I am now. I went


for God's sake. She's genuinely modest. This isn't somebody faking


it, she genuinely is a humble person.


# If I only could # I'd make a deal with God


# I'd get him to swap our places Even at the height of her success


there were signs that Kate Bush could be happy with a more domestic


life, where she could work on her recipes. It is what I would cook.


Let's have a look at this one, this is vegtables, what sorts of


vegtables are here? Carrots, mushroom, tomatoes, we did them


naturally, you can even cook them in matter might, that is a good gravy


substitute, and soy sauce is very good, all sorts of things.


# Out on the windy moors # We roll and fall and breathe


Why has her publicly waited so patiently for her? We asked the man


who made her debut video, so memorable, her mime coach. Yes, for


the first time on British TV it is mime on Skype! It was 1976 and it


was at the dance centre in London's Covent Garden, I was teaching


classes there. She came to one of the classes totally unknown, without


real training, in my definition. But there was something about Kate even


then as unformed as she was so many decades ago, there was a spark


within her one could say that she was filled with some kind of


internal light. # Oh he's here again


# The man with the child in his eyes She will be here for another 21


nights, only. We have whisked two very special


reviewers out of the gig early and into the studio to give us a flavour


of what it was like, Gemma Arterton is here as well as the musician Anna


Calvi. Gemma firstly to you, what was it like what it what you


expected? No. I think everybody was so excited just to see her, and when


we arrived the expectation from the audience was immense. There was just


so much love coming from them and so much excitement, and then she kind


of launched into a typical rock sort of gig. Which wasn't what we


expected? It was kind of like, OK, this is cool, but you know you


expected something more and then suddenly the show went into the most


crazy kind of imaginative, creative world which is what is so amazing


about Kate Bush. It felt like her brain that you were inside her mind.


Yeah. We have got some stills, some images of what it was like tonight


that we can bring up now you say a crazy imaginative creative world,


like her brain. What was that, what are we looking at on stage? So she


did, in the first half she did sort of like a performance theatre, it


felt like musical theatre or opera based to her ninth wave, second half


of her Hounds of Love album, a ship wreck and being stranded at sea.


What year was that album out? I don't know, I feel like it is the


year I was born, or even maybe before I was born. But some time a


long time ago. So she didn't commit that sin that musicians sometimes do


of coming on, playing all the new tunes to the fans and not giving


them any old hits? No, I mean there was a combination. She did Hounds of


Love, she did Running up the Hill, that was a high lie. The audience


stood up and there was such an energy. She did stuff from Aerial,


which was released in 2005. She did a whole section on Aerial, it was


stunning. One of the interesting things about this though, both of


you, if I'm correct and correct me if I'm wrong weren't born the last


time she performed on stage. She was an exceptional artist at the time,


why do you think it is she's translated to a whole new


generation, how did you become a fan in the first place? I think a friend


introduced me to her music, as a single currencying I was struck at


how she can really channel so many different characters. But they all


feel very uniquely her, she used these characters as tools to create


something incredibly personal and I think that's a very rare thing for


someone to be able to do that. Gemma, what about for you? I think


it was my mum and my sister, it was my mum that got me on to her. And


again it was her story telling and also her inate absolute expression


of feminity that was so at the time, and it wasn't a sexualised thing.


She felt like your big sister or something? Yeah, and just really


loving and a lot of her music, some of it is quite scary and I remember


as a kid I was always scared by her stuff,


as a kid I was always scared by her feminine. It is really the most


original female singer I feminine. It is really the most


brilliant musicians but feminine. It is really the most


first one. Some people would look at that and say what you describe as


being original as, in the nicest possible way, a bit bonkers? Yeah.


But it is. I think she is celebrating absurdity, the absurdity


of life, and she's showing the beauty in it. The things that she


talk about are incredibly simple about watching the sunrise, about


taking out the washing and she shows you how beautiful they are, and this


is the kind of best thing about art, when it does this, when it


transforms you and makes you see the simple things in a profound way. A


very simple simple things in a profound way. A


years on, if you think back to the extraordinary vocal performances


years on, if you think back to the suppose, something like Wuthering


Heighfs. Tonight how was her suppose, something like Wuthering


can she still deliver the performances in the way she did?


Absolutely. As the show went on it got better and better, you could


feel at the beginning she was a bit nervous and everyone was rooting for


her. And then as the gig nervous and everyone was rooting for


like some kind of ultimate, magical family reunion? It was


like some kind of ultimate, magical best shows I have ever been to.


Everything about it was just, best shows I have ever been to.


energy. Even if I wasn't a big Kate Bush


energy. Even if I wasn't a big Kate everything about it was so high, the


quality of everything was so high everything about it was so high, the


that with musical, everything about it was so high, the


stuff. It was like a whole everything about it was so high, the


and... The detail was very unique. And her son, her son. It was family


affair, what happened with her son? Her son was in the whole thing, he


was there as a backing dancer and then as part of the the show. He was


like an MC, he guided it, especially the Aerial


like an MC, he guided it, especially in the section and he does a whole


musical number. She was keeping it in the family and it was touching.


She pushes the world in the family and it was touching.


her to open her life to an audience. Very briefly, one of the things she


did try to push away was people using their phone, whatever they


had, their gadgets in their pockets and whatever they had in their


pockets, did people stick to the rule? Yeah, everyone there was so


appreciative of how special the night was, especially the opening


night. It felt like everybody just wanted to be present. It was amazing


yeah. Thank you both so much. I feel I ought to apologise for dragging


you away early, we are glad you Z a quick look at the papers and there


she is in front of all of them. Bush been on the front of the Guardian.


That's all we have time for tonight, good night.


Wednesday, places dry with sunny spells, but some outbreaks of rain


heading to south-west England and South Wales. Cloud increasing with


Northern Ireland, another lovely day in Scotland. Where you have the


sunshine it will feel pleasantly warm. Chilly start and one or two


fog patches clearing, another lovely day. A fine day in northern England,


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