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Not willing to listen, not willing to act. | :00:07. | :00:08. | |
How the authorities let down more than a 1,000 children, | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
No matter what is done now, if it is investigated now it won't change | :00:12. | :00:24. | |
that, it was too late, it should have been | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
Is Europe still capable of fighting this off? | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
One of NATO's former top brass thinks not. | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
. It is going, European nations will have to put their money in their | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
pocket and put their hands in their pockets to spend more money on | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
defence. And the good people of Thanet south | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
in Kent will have the chance to choose him as an MP, why is Nigel | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
Farage so sure he will get elected? # If I only could | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
# Make a deal with God # And get him to swap our places | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
We couldn't all squeeze in at the back but we will hear what Kate Bush | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
was like on stage more than 30 years on. | :01:15. | :01:25. | |
For years children in the Yorkshire down of Rotterham were being raped | :01:26. | :01:33. | |
and warned off if they threatened to tell. An independent inquiry shows | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
they were victims not once but twice over, because the authorities whose | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
job it was to protect them knew and didn't act to end it, the report's | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
author tells us tonight we need a national system to track this kind | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
of systematic, often violent abuse, grooming seems far too polite a | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
word. We will hear from her in a moment. First here is Chris Cook. | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
Today new light has been shed on one of the darkest of stories. Alexis | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
Jay, a social work expert, has conducted a review into Rotherham's | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
child protection. Triggered by a series of reports about sexual | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
exploitation. In 2010 five local men were prosecuted for abuse, in a case | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
that propelled the town's problems on to the front pages. But the | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
results of the review, which look back as far as the late 1990s | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
suggest that was just one link in a chilling pattern. | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse the child | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
victims suffered. They were raped by multiple perpetrator, they were | :02:40. | :02:41. | |
traffiked to other towns and cities in the north of England. We were | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
abducted, beaten and intimidated. There were examples of children | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
being dowsed with petrol and threatened with being set alight. | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
They were threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
and threatened they would be the next if they told anyone | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
The review looked at 66 case files from vulnerable local children, | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
finding sexual exploitation in 64 cases. The true scale of the problem | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
is hard to gauge. But the report estimated that 1,400 children may | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
have been exploited over 16 years from 1997 to 2013. | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
Whatever the extent of the abuse the incidents rede tailed by the report | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
are harrowing. This local woman spoke to BBC Panorama, on the | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
condition of anonymity. I think because the police were aware social | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
services were aware and you knew that and they still didn't stop him, | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
I think it encouraged him and it almost became a game to him, he was | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
untouchable. Or take child A, a case from the report who was identified | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
by the authorities of being at risk when she was 12 years old, she was | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
possibly taking drugs, and revealed that she had intercourse with five | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
adults. Two adults received police cautions after admitting as much to | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
them. When her case was discussed by local officials a local police | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
officer argued that she shouldn't be considered a victim of sexual abuse | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
because he thought that child A had been 100% consensual in every | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
incident. This was overruled by other local official who is had a | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
clear understanding that what had happened was a crime. As that case | :04:20. | :04:27. | |
highlights there were institutional failures that enabled this tragedy. | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
South Yorkshire Police, the report said, regarded many child victims | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
with contempt. The council ignored warnings and did not take child | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
protection seriously, and there was a particular issue around race. The | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
report notes that by far the majority of the perpetrators were | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
described as Asian by their victim, but several local staff described | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
for fear of being thought racist. Others remembered clear direction | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
from their managers not to do so. As the report notes, these predatory | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
men preyed on Asian and white girls alike. The council leader has | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
resigned, and the police have apologised. I think it is important | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
we recognise we failed, we let our young people down and from the start | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
I want to offer a sincere and unreserved apology for victims and | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
families that we should have done more with. We have commissioned a | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
number of investigations with the hor at thises calm complaints and we | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
will continue to work to identify those responsible and bring them to | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
justice. The extent of the problems in Rotherham are not common, but | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
some of the local institutional problems revealed by the report are. | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
Rotherham ought to be a wake-up call to officials everywhere. Professor | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
Jay who wrote the report said the authorities involved have great deal | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
to answer for, despite that both Rotherham Council and South | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
Yorkshire Police declined our invitation for interview. Both | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
failed to act on repeated warnings in 2002, 2003, and 2006. When I | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
spoke to Professor Jay earlier I asked her how that could have | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
happened? It is difficult to understand exactly how it could have | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
happened because the three reports to which you refer are so clear in | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
what they are saying about the problem in Rotherham. They couldn't | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
be less ambiguous. Was there a cover-up then? What was going on in | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
your view, having studied it so carefully? There were a succession | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
of senior managers and others in the council and in the police who seem | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
to hold a very similar view and there seemed to be no form of | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
challenge to that view. But they even accused some of the younger | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
workers of exaggerating what they had been finding? That word was used | :06:50. | :06:57. | |
so frequently by some of the staff who were involved at the time, the | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
frontline staff, but actually also by others in different positions in | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
relation to child sexual exploitation, where it was firmly | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
the belief that there was exaggeration going on about the | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
scale of the problem. Surely it should be the case that | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
those people who did not take those concerns seriously, as you have | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
described, surely they should not be working in this sector today? Well I | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
can only quote the chief executive who has apparently contacted current | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
employers of people who were previously employed by the council | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
to draw their attention to the report and for any action which they | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
think needs to be taken. Now you did not find evidence in your report | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
that sensitivities over the thisties had affected decision making. But it | :07:48. | :07:54. | |
is woven through the words and the concerns in your report, almost on | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
every page, you report some workers were told by managers not to reveal | :08:00. | :08:07. | |
the ethnicity of the they were -- perpetrators. Do you think it was | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
political correctness hiding what was going on? That is a possibility, | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
it is certainly the case, and I was glad to see it did not affect how | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
professional social workers approached the work they carried out | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
with individual children. However, there was a very strong response and | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
perception, as you say, that ethnic issues played some part in this. And | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
the number of people I asked why do you think this happened, the same | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
question as you are asking me, why do you think this happened, many | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
have come up with that as a possible reason. When it comes, however, to | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
the sexual exploitation of children, do you think it is the case that any | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
sensitivity towards diversity, any ethnicity, any gender issues, surely | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
that should just go out the window, shouldn't the priority be taking | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
children seriously? Absolutely, and you will see that I make that in one | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
my recommendations, where any ethnic dimension with any group is a | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
critical factor then it must be pursued and understood in order to | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
bring perpetrators to justice. Professor Jay, you have looked in | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
detail at what was going on in this one town, we know already that it | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
was happening in several others, but do you think we're anywhere near | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
really getting a grip of the scale of this problem as a country | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
overall. I think the fact that we have no national system of reporting | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
information and gathering data about the problem means that we can't | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
compare one area with another. I certainly have no evidence to | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
suggest that Rotherham is very much worse than other places. So it is | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
impossible to tell and nobody could tell you what the true scale of | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
child sexual exploitation in Britain is, but it is almost certainly | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
underestimated significantly. Ought we to have such a national system? | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
It would certainly help to understand the true scale of the | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
problem if there was some kind of system for gathering information at | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
a national level. Thank you very much indeed. | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
We have the Children's Minister from 2010-2012 in Brighton, and Sarah | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
Champion is the Rotherham MP and the author of a recent parliamentary | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
report on child sexual exploitation in Sheffield and also with us | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
tonight. Sarah Champion you worked in Rotherham for many years before | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
becoming an MP, did you have any understanding of the scale of what | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
was revealed today? No, and to be quite honest until I saw the report | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
I knew there had been incidences of it before, but 1400 children and | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
young people being abused in that way, and that is 1400 that have had | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
the courage to come forward, not acknowledged or supported and they | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
came forward. What terrifies me is the number of children who have been | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
through the experience and haven't had the courage to come forward. We | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
have to do something dramatic to make those children know that now we | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
will listen to them. What is very clear is in the past they weren't | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
listened to, respected ore taken seriously. When you were Children's | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
Minister you work veried closely on this issue, were you aware that | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
police and council members and managers were ignoring warnings of | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
this kind of problem? Yes, and that was part of the problem, back in | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
2011 I launched the child sexual exploitation action plan, it was a | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
major piece of work. It brought together police, Children's | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
Services, academics, children's charities and lots of experts to say | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
we have to get a grip on this. That happened because of the Operation | :12:06. | :12:13. | |
Retriever and the Derby case, and the appalling cases of the children | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
abused again by Pakistani gangs, it brought it all out into the | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
daylight. Because those people were pursued and prosecuted more people | :12:22. | :12:23. | |
then came forward and people started to take this seriously, starting | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
with the police and with Children's Services. I think that has changed | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
everything. It is still going on and it is still a major problem, but we | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
have realised it is a problem and much more is being done about it, in | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
Rotherham it is a very serious problem. Given that framework that | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
you put in place though, you must be alarmed to hear from Professor Jay | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
that in her view this kind of thing is not just still going on, but | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
troubled children are still being sometimes turned away, even the very | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
victims identified in this report aren't getting the help they need. | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
Has the Government lost sight of the problem since you departed? No, I | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
hope the Government hasn't lost sight of the problem and lots of | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
good, practical things are happening, but it required a change | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
in mind set. Clearly what has come out in the Rotherham case and it is | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
not unique to Rotherham is that the police in the interests it seems of | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
political correctness were turning a blind eye, shuffling under the | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
carpet the activities of serious abuser, rapist criminals and | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
torturers, that is a disgrace and can't be allowed to happen any more. | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
The police have been trained and brought around the table to work | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
with other agencies to make sure they are clamping down on this sort | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
of thing. There isn't any excuse for this, whatever the ethnic background | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
of the people perpetrating this, they are criminals and it must be | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
stopped. They must be brought to justice. And a lot of them are now | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
being brought to justice and a lot of them are now in jail. Not enough, | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
more has to be done to bring more of them to justice. There is though the | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
role here of the authorities looking the other way. Now your constituents | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
know tonight that nobody working in your town, who is implicated in this | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
report is still in child protection services in your town, but they may | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
well be Lord working elsewhere, and indeed we know from Professor Jay | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
that the chief executive of the council has written to their current | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
employers, essentially to warn them, should people implicated here still | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
be working in child protection? I have very grave concerns about that. | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
I mean clearly what has happened is whilst the frontline staff were very | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
aware of the problems and really trying to make the voices of those | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
young people heard, the more senior managers were, I don't know if they | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
were turning a blind eye to it, I don't know what their justification | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
could possibly be for this because I don't think there is any, but the | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
fact that they could be still working in child protection of | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
course that is something that, well, I think all of us are very concerned | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
about that and it is something we need to investigate really fast. I | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
know that the chief executive has written to all of their employers, | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
but it is the fact that sort of benign neglect of the children that | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
they are meant to be taking care of could still be going on will concern | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
everyone. Indeed not a single person has been sacked or disciplined, if | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
you were still Children's Minister tonight, would you be content with | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
that? Would you be content with people still working elsewhere in | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
child protection? I certainly wouldn't, and I'm afraid it is too | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
common a theme that when these scandals take place, be in Haringey | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
and Rochdale or whatever, that actually nobody or very few people | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
actually pay the consequences and are sacked. Frankly in the case of | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
Rotherham a social worker responsible for protecting | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
vulnerable children, to turn a blind eye to a 12-year-old having sexual | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
relationships with a stranger twice, three times at her age and to say | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
well that was consensual sex and to do nothing about it, that person has | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
absolutely no place in anything to do with vulnerable children. If they | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
are still practising anywhere they shouldn't be. Frankly, we do need to | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
look at the records of some of the people who were in positions of | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
responsibility when this sort of abuse was going on in Rotherham and | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
other places. It is not good enough just to say well I wasn't there when | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
all this was happening. At least the leader of the council, not saying | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
he's directly responsible, but this stuff was happening when he was at | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
the helm has done the decent thing and stood down. There are | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
practitioners whose day-to-day jobs are to look after vulnerable | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
children and have clearly failed and failed vulnerable children. Thank | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
you very much for being with us tonight. | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
Now, explosions on the streets in Gaza tonight marked not more | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
violence, but a ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians after | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
weeks of fighting and 2,000 deaths. The deal brokered by Egypt brings an | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
easing of border restrictions on Gaza, but previous ceasefires have | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
not lasted. Will this one be any different. We're there tonight. | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
Certainly on the streets of Gaza tonight people seem to think it will | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
be, because they came out in their many thousand, they were celebrating | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
and not just the ceasefire but what they were calling victory over | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
Israel, and in the previous deals we haven't seen that. Some of those | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
ceasefires lasted a couple of hours, some of them lasted as long as five | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
days. Certainly the feeling here seems to be this one may well be | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
different. Perhaps one of the reasons they feel it is different is | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
because the blockade is being lifted or at least partially lifted, the | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
blockade that Egypt and Israel enforce around here in Gaza. But | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
when you look at the details of this deal, it doesn't look very | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
dissimilar from the ceasefire agreement that was agreed after the | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
2012 war with Gaza. It is difficult to see really what has been | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
achieved. When you ask Israelis what has been achieved they will say that | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
they have removed a number of key Hamas leaders, that they have put | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
pressure on Hamas, that they have destroyed a network of Hamas tunnel | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
that is were making their way into Israel in a way that Israel never | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
really realised before. Some would blame a failure of intelligence for | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
that. What have Hamas achieved? 2,000 people plus have died here, | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
most of them civilians, many women and children. But Hamas has gained a | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
relevance again, people are suddenly talking about Gaza and their cause | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
in way that they weren't, certainly internationally they are. And among | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
Palestinians a group that was perhaps by some seen as being | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
increase league irrelevant after moving into a dial with the | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
Palestinian Authority for a unity Government, Hamas which is a body by | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
supports an armed struggle has shown it can still take the fight to | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
Israel and it can still be left standing at the end of that fight. | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
The handshakes could hardly have been more awkward when Vladimir | :18:54. | :19:05. | |
Putin and Petro. Poroshenko met to try to sort things out today. Russia | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
flexing its muscles more than local difficulty, if the rest of the world | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
want to intervene if Russia stretches further would we be strong | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
enough to do so. One of the most senior men on the continent, Richard | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
Sheriff former deputy supreme commander at NATO thinks not. We | :19:24. | :19:32. | |
have been talking to him. Ukraine has put on show detainees who are | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
members of a Russia paratroop regiment. Moscow admits they crossed | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
the border but says it was an accident. It is one more sign of a | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
desire to intimidate Ukraine, says the general who until recently was | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
NATO's number two and who, as the crisis in eastern European unfolded, | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
saw gaps between receipt and taking concrete steps. P the issue is how | :19:58. | :20:07. | |
do they have the forces required. There is a mismatch between the | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
rhetoric around the North Atlantic Council table about commitment to | :20:13. | :20:14. | |
operations and what nations are prepared to put on the table. As far | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
as the potential crisis or the crisis in Eastern Europe and eastern | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
Ukraine, I think the reality is that NATO would be very hard pressed and | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
they would find it very difficult to put into the field at sea or into | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
the air the means required to, particularly on land I would assess, | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
to counter any form of Russian adventurism. Does that mean that | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
western Europe is essentially defenceless against Russia? It means | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
that well now you are getting into the whole question about Europe and | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
America. Certainly Europe, western Europe would not be able to defend | :20:54. | :21:01. | |
against, in my view, against Russia without significant support from the | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
Americans. I think NATO would find it really difficult to get a | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
division out of the door in quick time. That is 20,000? 20,000 people | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
out of the door in quick time. Because effectively and certainly in | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
western Europe what we have seen progressively is a dismantling of | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
military capability. Do you appreciate that effectively saying | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
NATO needs to rearm, which is what I think you are saying, is a very | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
unpopular message in this time of economic stringency? I have no doubt | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
it is an unpopular message, but it is a message that our political | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
leadership need to take home and listen to and act on. If they are | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
serious about ensuring that NATO has the means to defend itself in | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
future. If you look across the NATO alliance, only four nations out of | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
28 spend more than the minimum of 2% on GDP that all 28 nations have | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
signed up to around the North Atlantic Council table. So you have | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
got significant economic powerhouses within the alliance who spend well | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
below the 2% of GDP on defence. If NATO is serious about this, it is | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
going to have to rearm, it is going to have to rebuild capability. | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
European nations are going to have to put their money in their pocket, | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
put their hands in their pockets to spend more money on defence. | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
But Libya where NATO helped topple Colonel Gadaffi shows the risk of | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
taking action. In recent days Tripoli Airport has been largely | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
destroyed by rival militias has there is warring in the country. | :22:45. | :22:53. | |
What responsibility does it bear for the subsequent mess? NATO was asked | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
to protect and it did the job effectively. When that campaign came | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
to an end, the air campaign came to the end with the murder of Gadaffi | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
and the collapse of the regime, NATO stood by, had done the contingency | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
planning necessary to go in and support the Libyan, whatever Libyan | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
Government emerged from that aI don'ts, if -- chaos, if it was he | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
required, the message was no he requirement, no desire for any form | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
of foreign intervention, so NATO stands back. The resulting chaos is | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
plain and evident for all to see. This is one of the realities of the | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
strategic context we see at the moment. | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
The desire to protect vulnerable minorities in northern Iraq now | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
plays its part in a new intervention. The Jihadists of ISIS, | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
now calling themselves the Islamic State, have beheaded and massacred | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
Iraqis and Syrians alike. How far should the UK follow America's lead | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
and what should the objective be? I think the first priority is to | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
protect, but ultimately the priority must be to eradicate Islamic State, | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
as an external threat, because of the potential impact on the Middle | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
East, on our friends in the Middle East, but also its potential impact | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
if this incubus is allowed to survive, the potential impact on our | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
security on our external security, whether it is through the import of | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
terrorism whatever, but also there is a very clear issue as far as the | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
internal security is concerned, given the number of British and | :24:32. | :24:39. | |
other western borders. UK? It is not just a British problem but one that | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
applies right across western Europe. Does that mean that US, UK end up | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
fighting Islamic State in Syria? Being effectively on the same side | :24:51. | :25:00. | |
Ascarate sad? -- as Assad? There can be no eradication of Islamic State | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
without a regional approach. They are operating and have spread into | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
Syria and therefore there is likely to be or inevitably going to be a | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
need to sit down and talk to difficult bed fellow, bad people. | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
The Prime Minister has been very direct in saying that the Islamic | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
State has to be counted, has to be -- countered and has to be reversed | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
and ultimately defeated. How achievable is that? It is one thing | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
to say that we are going to deal with t but you have to back up your | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
words with actions. And in my view we should therefore rule out nothing | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
and going back to what the Prime Minister has said, ruling out combat | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
boots, or boots on the ground and saying as he did in the paper the | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
other day we don't want to fight, is immediately giving your opposition | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
15 or 30 points up at the beginning of the match. I think we must apply | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
all the levers of power, political, diplomatic, economic and military. | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
But above all we need to establish the international political will to | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
deal with this, and of course in the NATO summit coming up there is a | :26:11. | :26:17. | |
real opportunity. Just in case you were thinking or | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
hoping you had a few more days peace and quiet from MPs before the poor | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
dears have to come back from holidays, today was a big day for | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
two wannabes you have heard of. Boris Johnson gave away the worst | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
kept secret in politics, he wants to stand as an MP in the west London | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
constituency of Uxbridge and West Ruislip, and the other UK politician | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
recoginsable by only his first name went a step further. Nigel Farage, | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
the UKIP leader was chosen as his party's candidate for Thanet south | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
in Kent. We went along to witness the celebrations. | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
Mr Nigel Farage. This was always going to be more of an inauguration | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
than a selection process. The press were invited to film the Hustings in | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
South Thanet, a good sign the result was never in doubt. The race here is | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
now shaping up to be the most interesting battle of the next | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
general election. South Thanet is prime UKIP territory. I was a four | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
handicap golfer and there were lots of golf courses here, and another | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
one of my hobbies, there is quite a lot of pubs I notice. When it is | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
clear you can see France from the beach here in Ramsgate, not today in | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
this weather. It might just be 30 miles away, but Europe and | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
immigration are worries here, as a wider concerns about jobs and the | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
economy. At the cafe works Miriam, a UKIP voter in the past and the kind | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
of supporter Nigel Farage will be banking on come May. Looking at the | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
party's policies what attracts you to the policies? Sorting out | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
immigration because it is way out of hand. I think somebody needs to rein | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
it in and do something about it. I like Nigel Farage. I think he's an | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
OK bloke. He doesn't deserve to have eggs thrown at him! Over the last 30 | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
years South Thanet has blown with the political wind, Labour in 1997 | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
backed a Conservative in 2010. But reporters at the local paper say the | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
shift to UKIP feels more than a protest vote, a poll last month put | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
the party ahead in this seat for the first time, after big gains in local | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
elections last year. The County Council, where they just swept in | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
and took seven out of the eight seats was a bit of a shock, | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
especially for the Conservatives who lost their seats. But since then | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
they have just seemed to be going from strength-to-strength. The | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
orthodox view is UKIP will take votes from the Tories, both in this | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
seat and nationally as the local elections showed, Nigel Farage is | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
more than capable of winning in Labour strongholds. Europe is an | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
issue and people are worried about the amount of money that seems to go | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
to Europe, but I know locally we have benefitted fatastically through | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
European funding, particularly objective 2 ERDF and other monies. | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
That is a hard argument to make at the moment? It is difficult to | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
remind people of how we benefit from connections with Europe. This is not | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
good news for you, Mr Farrage standing, this will make your job | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
more difficult you would have thought? We will do the exact same | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
thing we have been doing for the last a 13 months, knock on the doors | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
and speak to people about the issues, that is what I have done all | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
the time I have been involved in politics. You will not get down the | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
pub with your pint straight way? No! As for the Conservatives they won't | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
were keen to talk to us today, saying all this is a distraction | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
from the work they are doing. The new Tory candidate, Craig McKinly is | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
a former leader of UKIP and a man who has made no secret of his own | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
euro-sceptic views. How are you doing, nice to meet you. You could | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
have picked a better day than this. Mr Farrage took to the high street | :30:11. | :30:13. | |
this afternoon, ahead of his official selection, UKIP has done | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
well in past elections and to see that support melt away in the | :30:21. | :30:22. | |
general election that followed. Voter concern with immigration in | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
particular may break that pattern. A survey today puts the party's | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
national support at more than 16%. The message he's sending out to the | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
other parties is that they are not representing the normal people on | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
the street, especially locally round here, I couldn't tell you what he | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
thinks about with the hospitals and policing or anything else other than | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
the immigration, but it has got him to where he is. He's all about the | :30:46. | :30:53. | |
white British rather than Britain as a whole. I do agree with the fact | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
that we need to limit how many people are coming into the country, | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
we are a small island nation and we are getting overcrowded. Somebody | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
once said I'm David Cameron's worst nightmare. After the European | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
elections Nigel Farage spoke of a political earthquake, he will be | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
hoping a result in South Thanet and other target seats will put UKIP in | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
the heart of Westminster, changing the political landscape for good. | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
Keen constituency watchers may have noticed that Boris Johnson will be | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
standing in Uxbridge and south Ruislip, not West Ruislip, earlier I | :31:28. | :31:36. | |
spoke to the new UKIP candidate for his seat in Kent just after his | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
selection was announced. Nigel Farage, congratulations on your | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
selection, you said you want to run in South Thanet because of the | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
appeal of sea, angling, golf courses and the pub. What is the appeal of | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
you to Thanet? You know I made a couple of off the cuff remarks about | :31:56. | :32:01. | |
why I like the place, the UKIP appeal to South Thanet is it is a | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
well organised local party. A lot of politics is on a voluntary level and | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
we have a great voluntary group here. That room was packed with all | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
people of all ages and enthusiasm, the key to this and the key to my | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
candidacy is the fact that we have managed to establish here a base and | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
foothold in local Government. Of the eight Kent County Council seats that | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
cover the island of Thanet we won seven of them, we have won a | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
district by-election, the whole council is up on the same day of the | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
general election, and we will fight 56 seats. It won't just be me, it | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
will be the local candidates, councillors and enthusiasts. That | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
cocktail is something the Liberal Democrats proved in the 1990s that | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
with enthusiasm and optimisim it is surprising what you can achieve. If | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
that base is successful in achieving to attract many votes in that area, | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
isn't it the case that what you will do is hurt the Conservative vote and | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
they are the party promising a referendum, just as you do. You are | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
actually going to make that referendum less likely if you | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
succeed, aren't you? Well I think in Thanet if you are euro-sceptic and | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
you vote Conservative, the risk is you might let Labour in. So I don't | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
think that people will want to vote for an imitation. I think people | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
want to vote for the real thing. We will be the challengers to the | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
Labour Party. That's how I see this seat. I see it as a contest between | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
Aust the Labour Party primarily, and this old fashioned outdated idea | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
that UKIP voters are all ex-stories is baloney, we are picking up a | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
large chunk of old Labour votes. You know very well that most of the | :33:46. | :33:52. | |
voters who choose UKIP from time to time are ex-Conservative voters, | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
even in that seat there the Conservative member is one of the | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
founding members of the UKIP, you are not really going to suggest that | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
you standing might not split the euro-sceptic vote? Let's try this | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
again, I think that view is total and utter rubbish. We pick up a | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
majority of votes in Thanet from people who are not Conservative | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
voters. We pick up not just a big chunk of the old Labour vote, we | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
also pick up a lot of people who haven't engaged in the political | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
process for many years or in some cases never at all in their lives. | :34:28. | :34:42. | |
We saw it in Eastly, if we hadn't taken it the Tories would have | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
beaten the Liberal Democrats. There are seats like this where UKIP is | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
the key challenger. If we can get the euro-sceptics to muster around | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
UKIP, otherwise there is more of a risk that Labour will win. What | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
happens if you don't win, and if UKIP doesn't send any MPs to | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
Westminster at the election what will you do? I have absolutely no | :35:01. | :35:07. | |
idea. That is eight months away. It is funny, all through my career | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
people have said what will you do if you fail and if you don't succeed. | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
The answer in life is to fight and stand up for what you believe in. We | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
have really had an extraordinary year. We have won a national | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
election in the European elections, our opinion poll ratings are holding | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
very steady, specialist polling data from people like Lord Ashcroft now | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
puts us ahead in some parliamentary constituencies, and I think we will | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
succeed. I think we are going to get MPs elected to | :35:37. | :35:38. | |
succeed. I think we are going to get year, I don't at at this stage know | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
how many. If things go the right way for us who knows, we could hold the | :35:43. | :35:44. | |
balance of power. Nigel Farage, thank you very much | :35:45. | :35:47. | |
indeed. It has been a long time, a very long | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
time, a very, very long time since she appeared on the stage. | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
It is true, not all of you might think that is a shame. But for an | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
ardent, passionate and considerable group the relative exile of Kate | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
Bush, 35 years long, has been tragic. Here is a reminder of what | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
we have been missing from Steven Smith. | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
# I hear him # Before I go to sleep | :36:16. | :36:25. | |
# And focus on the day that's been These days pop acts have comebacks | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
before you notice they have gone. But Kate Bush has been missed for | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
every one of the 35 years since her last run of concerts. What took her | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
so long? I'm waiting to meet the man who helped to dream up her last | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
tour, way back in 1979. I think this is him now! | :36:48. | :36:59. | |
Thanks for dropping in. Now trading as Simon Drake's House of Magic, he | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
remembers life on the road with Kate Bush, including the time he was | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
knocked out cold on stage. I woke up feeling pretty strange lying on the | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
floor in Kate's arms. She was saying please don't die. Men would pay | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
money for that? I could have died happily then to be honest, it was | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
such a big thing that tour at the time, it was like Beatlemania. And | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
there were 30 people on stage and God knows how many others travelling | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
around England and Europe. I remember sitting in a kitchen over | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
ten years ago now and I said it would be great if you just did six | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
nights at the festival hall, she actually said to me Simon I don't | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
think anyone really cares any more, they don't know who I am now. I went | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
for God's sake. She's genuinely modest. This isn't somebody faking | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
it, she genuinely is a humble person. | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
# If I only could # I'd make a deal with God | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
# I'd get him to swap our places Even at the height of her success | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
there were signs that Kate Bush could be happy with a more domestic | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
life, where she could work on her recipes. It is what I would cook. | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
Let's have a look at this one, this is vegtables, what sorts of | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
vegtables are here? Carrots, mushroom, tomatoes, we did them | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
naturally, you can even cook them in matter might, that is a good gravy | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
substitute, and soy sauce is very good, all sorts of things. | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
# Out on the windy moors # We roll and fall and breathe | :38:33. | :38:41. | |
Why has her publicly waited so patiently for her? We asked the man | :38:42. | :38:48. | |
who made her debut video, so memorable, her mime coach. Yes, for | :38:49. | :38:58. | |
the first time on British TV it is mime on Skype! It was 1976 and it | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
was at the dance centre in London's Covent Garden, I was teaching | :39:07. | :39:13. | |
classes there. She came to one of the classes totally unknown, without | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
real training, in my definition. But there was something about Kate even | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
then as unformed as she was so many decades ago, there was a spark | :39:26. | :39:34. | |
within her one could say that she was filled with some kind of | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
internal light. # Oh he's here again | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
# The man with the child in his eyes She will be here for another 21 | :39:48. | :39:58. | |
nights, only. We have whisked two very special | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
reviewers out of the gig early and into the studio to give us a flavour | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
of what it was like, Gemma Arterton is here as well as the musician Anna | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
Calvi. Gemma firstly to you, what was it like what it what you | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
expected? No. I think everybody was so excited just to see her, and when | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
we arrived the expectation from the audience was immense. There was just | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
so much love coming from them and so much excitement, and then she kind | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
of launched into a typical rock sort of gig. Which wasn't what we | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
expected? It was kind of like, OK, this is cool, but you know you | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
expected something more and then suddenly the show went into the most | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
crazy kind of imaginative, creative world which is what is so amazing | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
about Kate Bush. It felt like her brain that you were inside her mind. | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
Yeah. We have got some stills, some images of what it was like tonight | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
that we can bring up now you say a crazy imaginative creative world, | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
like her brain. What was that, what are we looking at on stage? So she | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
did, in the first half she did sort of like a performance theatre, it | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
felt like musical theatre or opera based to her ninth wave, second half | :41:22. | :41:30. | |
of her Hounds of Love album, a ship wreck and being stranded at sea. | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
What year was that album out? I don't know, I feel like it is the | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
year I was born, or even maybe before I was born. But some time a | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
long time ago. So she didn't commit that sin that musicians sometimes do | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
of coming on, playing all the new tunes to the fans and not giving | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
them any old hits? No, I mean there was a combination. She did Hounds of | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
Love, she did Running up the Hill, that was a high lie. The audience | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
stood up and there was such an energy. She did stuff from Aerial, | :42:02. | :42:09. | |
which was released in 2005. She did a whole section on Aerial, it was | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
stunning. One of the interesting things about this though, both of | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
you, if I'm correct and correct me if I'm wrong weren't born the last | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
time she performed on stage. She was an exceptional artist at the time, | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
why do you think it is she's translated to a whole new | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
generation, how did you become a fan in the first place? I think a friend | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
introduced me to her music, as a single currencying I was struck at | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
how she can really channel so many different characters. But they all | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
feel very uniquely her, she used these characters as tools to create | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
something incredibly personal and I think that's a very rare thing for | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
someone to be able to do that. Gemma, what about for you? I think | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
it was my mum and my sister, it was my mum that got me on to her. And | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
again it was her story telling and also her inate absolute expression | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
of feminity that was so at the time, and it wasn't a sexualised thing. | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
She felt like your big sister or something? Yeah, and just really | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
loving and a lot of her music, some of it is quite scary and I remember | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
as a kid I was always scared by her stuff, | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
as a kid I was always scared by her feminine. It is really the most | :43:30. | :43:31. | |
original female singer I feminine. It is really the most | :43:32. | :43:38. | |
brilliant musicians but feminine. It is really the most | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
first one. Some people would look at that and say what you describe as | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
being original as, in the nicest possible way, a bit bonkers? Yeah. | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
But it is. I think she is celebrating absurdity, the absurdity | :43:53. | :43:54. | |
of life, and she's showing the beauty in it. The things that she | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
talk about are incredibly simple about watching the sunrise, about | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
taking out the washing and she shows you how beautiful they are, and this | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
is the kind of best thing about art, when it does this, when it | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
transforms you and makes you see the simple things in a profound way. A | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
very simple simple things in a profound way. A | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
years on, if you think back to the extraordinary vocal performances | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
years on, if you think back to the suppose, something like Wuthering | :44:24. | :44:23. | |
Heighfs. Tonight how was her suppose, something like Wuthering | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
can she still deliver the performances in the way she did? | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
Absolutely. As the show went on it got better and better, you could | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
feel at the beginning she was a bit nervous and everyone was rooting for | :44:35. | :44:35. | |
her. And then as the gig nervous and everyone was rooting for | :44:36. | :44:46. | |
like some kind of ultimate, magical family reunion? It was | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
like some kind of ultimate, magical best shows I have ever been to. | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
Everything about it was just, best shows I have ever been to. | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
energy. Even if I wasn't a big Kate Bush | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
energy. Even if I wasn't a big Kate everything about it was so high, the | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
quality of everything was so high everything about it was so high, the | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
that with musical, everything about it was so high, the | :45:08. | :45:09. | |
stuff. It was like a whole everything about it was so high, the | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
and... The detail was very unique. And her son, her son. It was family | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
affair, what happened with her son? Her son was in the whole thing, he | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
was there as a backing dancer and then as part of the the show. He was | :45:24. | :45:32. | |
like an MC, he guided it, especially the Aerial | :45:33. | :45:33. | |
like an MC, he guided it, especially in the section and he does a whole | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
musical number. She was keeping it in the family and it was touching. | :45:40. | :45:41. | |
She pushes the world in the family and it was touching. | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
her to open her life to an audience. Very briefly, one of the things she | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
did try to push away was people using their phone, whatever they | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
had, their gadgets in their pockets and whatever they had in their | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
pockets, did people stick to the rule? Yeah, everyone there was so | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
appreciative of how special the night was, especially the opening | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
night. It felt like everybody just wanted to be present. It was amazing | :46:10. | :46:16. | |
yeah. Thank you both so much. I feel I ought to apologise for dragging | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
you away early, we are glad you Z a quick look at the papers and there | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
she is in front of all of them. Bush been on the front of the Guardian. | :46:25. | :46:41. | |
That's all we have time for tonight, good night. | :46:42. | :47:06. | |
Wednesday, places dry with sunny spells, but some outbreaks of rain | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
heading to south-west England and South Wales. Cloud increasing with | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
Northern Ireland, another lovely day in Scotland. Where you have the | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
sunshine it will feel pleasantly warm. Chilly start and one or two | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
fog patches clearing, another lovely day. A fine day in northern England, | :47:25. | :47:26. |