14/11/2015 Newsnight


14/11/2015

Emily Maitlis presents a special programme from Paris with analysis of the terrorist attacks.


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Tonight, Newsnight is live in Paris, as we piece together what happened

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in the worst terror attrocity in France's modern history.

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We hear from survivors and the injured of the Bataclan

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And this evening, the first details are emerging of the attackers -

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As global leaders meet to discuss their strategy,

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A city reeling from the events of just 24 hours ago.

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The curfew has now been lifted, but it doesn't feel as if it has.

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and there's a sense even from the authorities of unfinished business -

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It was a night of unfolding horror here. Simultaneous shootings and

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explosions rang out across Paris. Three blasts took place near the

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Stade de France during a France-Germany football match,

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attended by 80,000, including the French President Hollande. One

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person was killed and three suicide bombers. Five minutes later 12 are

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killed on the terrace of the restaurant Le Petit Cambodge.

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Another five minutes another shooting. This time La Casa Nostra.

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In the 11th district, 19 people killed in gunfire, which witnesses

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say lasted two to three minutes. An explosion and then at the Bataclan

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Concert Hall, where a heavy metal band were performing, several armed

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men fired on the audience and took hostages.

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In all, these attacks have left at least 129

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dead and the confirmation that at least one Briton was amongst them.

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Our first report tonight comes from Gabriel Gatehouse,

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who's been speaking to survivors of this unimaginable attack.

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They came in silence this evening. Less than 24 hours ago, outside this

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cafe, five people lost their lives, gunned down as they enjoyed a Friday

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night out. It was the start of what would become the deadliest attack in

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peacetime France. The sound of an explosion, as

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peacetime France. The sound of an their country play Germany. It was

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the first of several blasts, the work of suicide bombers outside the

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stadium. A man filmed as he runs from the

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scene. President Francois Hollande amongst the spectators was whisked

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to safety. Then the crowd streamed onto the pitch in panic and

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confusion. At around the same time, in central Paris, gunmen began

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opening fire on diners in cafes and restaurants clustered around a busy

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night spot. The deadliest attack of the night happened soon after, at

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the nearby Bataclan theatre. This disturbing footage shows concert

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goers fleeing out of a back exit, while four gunmen are shooting

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people inside. In their terror, some climbs out of windows, clinging

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desperately to the side of the building. Bodies lie in the street

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below. "What's going on? The man with the camera shouts? No-one

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answers, too busy dragging away the wounded. Outside, heavily armed

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police now had a hostage situation on their hands. Within the hour

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security forces stormed the theatre, three of the attackers detonated

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suicide vests, a fourth was shot dead by police. Some of the hostages

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were led out to safety, but for more than 80, the rescue effort had come

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too late. President Hollande called the attacks an act of war.

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TRANSLATION: We are going to fight. Our fight will be merciless. These

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terrorists that are capable of such atrocities, they need to know they

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will be confronted by a France that is determined, united and acting as

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one. Outside the Bataclan theatre today, they continue to bring out

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the bodies well into the afternoon. Next to the police cordon, there was

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evidence of the desperate effort of medics to save lives. People are

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coming, individuals here to lay flowers outside the street

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coming, individuals here to lay leads to the theatre. On the

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pavement, you can still see fresh blood. The police are telling me

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that there are still bodies inside there. They're still bringing them

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out. The emotions here are still incred play raw. -- incredibly raw.

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Police are trying to establish the identities of yesterday's attackers.

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There have been arrests in Belgium. British official sources have told

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the BBC they believe a Syrian cell was behind the attack. People here

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are stilling reeling from the Charlie Hebdo shootings which

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happened just around the corner in January.

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Meanwhile, Parisians are going from hospital to hospital, looking for

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missing relatives. Nicolau and his girlfriend went to the concert

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together. She was shot in the abdomen. She's safe and recovering.

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He's haunted by what he saw. The word Bataclan theatre will be

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written into one of the darkest chatters of modern French history.

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The building stands on the boulevard Voltaire, fitting after the writing

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whose work enshrines the French ideals. It was those values which

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came under attack last night. That set out a bit of what we have been

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seeing here today. Pierre Haski is founder

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of the website Rue 89 and former deputy editor of Liberation,

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and Igor Mlad-Enovitch was caught up If I can come to you, you basically

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found yourself between two of the shootings, just tell us what

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happened. I was having dinner nearby in a restaurant. As I came out, I

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saw people fleeing. It soon appeared that there had been a mass shooting

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in the Bataclan. I tried to go one way. A man told me that two people

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were lying on the ground at the end of the street. I went the other

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direction and police had blocked the street. So I was basically trapped

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for a moment, before breaking away. What was your first impression? A

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lot of people have described hearing shots they thought were fireworks.

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You don't expect something on a Friday night in Paris in a

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restraunt, right? No, that was very unexpected and scary. This is a very

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lively neighbourhood, plenty of youths. We never expected something

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like this to happen like this. There was initially panic. When we learned

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what happened, we couldn't believe it. We were caught in the middle of

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it. Initially there was a moment of panic. Then we just tried to reason

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our way through. What was your inclination? Did you try and stay

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and help? Or did you want to get as far away as you could? There's no

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right answer here, I'm just interested to hear your thoughts?

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Ideally I would have stayed and helped, but when you're out on a

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Friday night and four different locations where people are shooting,

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you can't do much, which is very frustrating. It frustrates me right

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now. I just obviously thought of myself at first. I didn't know where

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to go. There were shootings everywhere. Now I'm feeling

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frustrated for the innocent people who lost their lives. Thanks for

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your thoughts. I describe this as a city still reeling. There is a

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your thoughts. I describe this as a of shock and also, I don't know if

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you feel this, one person described to me as almost a sense of

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unfinished business. First of all we still don't know whether there are

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any guys around who have escaped. We don't know yet who the attackers

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were. We have the beginning of information from the authorities on

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who they are. We still don't have the full list of victims. So people

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are still coming to reckon with the events themselves. I think it's too

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early. There's emotion. There's grief. There's lack of information

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because things are coming. We just learned this evening, for example,

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that one of our colleagues, works for a culture magazine, died. He was

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covering the concert. He died during the concert. We only heard about it

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in the evening. People are still getting those bits of information.

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What is getting those bits of information.

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having on this city? I think getting those bits of information.

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are, for the moment, in the time of emotion. Then will come the

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questions - what happened? Could it have been avoided? Are there any

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political responsibility, obviously this will be asked? And what is

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going to change in our lives? Because if you go out and have

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dinner, as you were describing, or go to a concert and you end up dead,

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what does that go to a concert and you end up dead,

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a city like Paris? I think people still have to reckon with the

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consequences of what happened. Do you feel that Parisians tonight are

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asking why us, why me, why here? Certainly so, yeah. Because France

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has never really been at the forefront of foreign policy efforts

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in the Middle East. There's never really been particularly insistent

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against the Islamic State. So really been particularly insistent

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think it was just an easy target. It was a coward act targeting easy,

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innocent people in public places. Of course they're wondering why them.

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The second time in one year. After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, we saw

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many demonstrations, vigils, groups gathering. It's been noticeable that

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people feel less able, less inclined to gather in a big crowd tonight.

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people feel less able, less inclined And the state of emergency makes it

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impossible. No-one can go to the Place de La Republique. That is

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where everything happened after Charlie Hebdo. It's small because

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the police are calling on people not to gather or have groups.

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the police are calling on people not don't know if it's still dangerous

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and the second thing is that I think people are wondering

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and the second thing is that I think national unity will be surviving

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these repeated attacks on our soil. Very interesting to speak to you

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both. Thank you for joining us tonight.

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As you heard, as well as those killed and injured,

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and friends, as they desperately search for clues and contact.

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It's emerging tonight that one of the perpetrators was a 29-year-old

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French national - arrested eight times but never imprisoned.

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Paris prosecutors say three separate terrorist teams were involved.

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A Syrian and an Egyptian passport, belonging to suicide bombers,

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were found, and one in the group is believed to be a woman.

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Armed police patrol the quiet centre of Paris. The attacks in which 129

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people lost their lives have been claimed by the so-called Islamic

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State. It appears there were just seven terrorists, but what do we

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know about them? One man, aged 29, was born in Paris and has previously

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been involved in petty criminality. Intelligence services reported he

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was radicalised. He wasn't known to be part of a terrorist network.

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Another was born in 1990. He wasn't known previously to police and had a

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Syrian passport. A greeck minister said the holder of this passport

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entered the EU through Greece in October. Belgian media report that

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three of the terrorists are from Brussels. Prosecutors in France

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didn't confirm this, but a black car used in the attack was rented in

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Belgium. Premises are being searched there tonight and three men have

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been arrested. Around is 1,500 French citizens are fighting in

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Syria, more than any other Western country. A similar number are being

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monitored in France by the Security Services for alleged extremist

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links. France has one of Europe's largest Muslim populations. Despite

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previous tensions over issues like the banning of the veil, today

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Muslims reacted with horror to the attacks.

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TRANSLATION: Don't speak about Islam. It's got nothing to do with

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this. We are against what happened. This is not Islam. I think we can do

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the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist.

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TRANSLATION: This has been claimed by ISIS. We need to wait for the

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results of the investigation to find out what is really the root of this.

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Paris is in mourning. Its citizens, Muslim and non-Muslim, are waiting

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to find out - did the attackers form their plans here in France? Or was

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it conceived abroad in ISIS strong holds? People have been coming here

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to lay flowers all day, the scene of one of the first shootings. Gunmen

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attacked this bar before crossing the road and opening fire on this

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Cambodian restaurant, killing at least 12 people. This terrorist

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tactics of moo raweding gunmen moving through a city has been a

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fear of European cities since Mumbai attacks. As with previous attacks,

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it appears the killers were on the radar of security agencies. They

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know they are dangerous. The problem is the degree of danger. In

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democracies we cannot put people in jail just because you suspect them

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of being dangerous. So the laws will be more repressive in the future,

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not only in France, but all over Europe. One possible opportunity to

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stop the attackers could have come last week, when a man en route to

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Paris was arrested in possession of weapons and explosives in Bavaria.

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It's not clear he was linked to thees attackers. Police tonight are

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racing to find any more accomplices. What you heard there raises many

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questions. To discuss the security implications

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of this is the counter-terrorism Thank you for joining us. Talk to us

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first about this idea of the one French national. A young man, 29

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years old, who is clearly part of a homegrown terror trat strategy, if

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we can call that? We know there is homegrown terrorism in France. We

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know there is homegrown terrorism in England am homegrown terrorism in

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Germany. The big question is - why can't we reach these people any

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more? Why don't they feel they can benefit from these countries and

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achieve another meaning in life than blowing themself up with the hidden

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message of paradise. We should take the global connotations of this

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ideology in account. We don't have a global strategy. We don't even have

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a European strategy. Each country does things slightly differently. Do

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you think it's worth France asking herself about certain policies or

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certain implications, for example, the importance of the Republic, not

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having the sort of religion as your first port of call? Or is it crazy

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to assume these things make any difference? There are local factors

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which play into radicalisation processes. Obviously, the idea to

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say France is a secular Republic is a good idea. It means Islam won't be

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excluded. If we come back to something, each attack, attacks 20

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years ago, 9/11 September, 15 years ago, we focus on a similar attack,

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attack jihadism as a problem which might go away. The ideology is there

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for at least 30 years. It was created partly with our help, in the

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war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. We don't deal with the

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ideology in a co-ordinated manner. What about this idea - The roots of

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radicalisation. France or Paris tonight is missing a sense at the

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moment of national unity that our guest said he worried that would be

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eroded by attack after attack. Do you agree with that? Yeah. I'm

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afraid that with is one of my biggest fears. National unity which

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was displayed after the attacks in January against Charlie Hebdo summed

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up by the slogan, "we are all Charlie" it's going away. Some

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people felt they were not Charlie. Not interested in terrorism. Would

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not support terrorism felt left out they didn't feel a part of France

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which is Charlie which would say, fine to do drawings of the Prophet

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Muhammad. The huge risk at this stage is national unity will be

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eroded. That is what the so-called Islamic State knows well. One of the

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major purposes of this attack was using a faultline, a division in

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French society to aggravate polarisation. That's the best friend

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of radicalisation. The big task will be to avoid polarisation of French

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society by aggressive security measures. Thank you very much

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indeed. Richard Watson has been gathering

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intelligence on the scale You heard what our guest about

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saying not overreacting. What are the implications now for the UK? I

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think the implications are quite profound actually. It's a very stark

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reminder of the threat we face in the UK. The terror threat level

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remains the same. The police and MI5 will be on high alert in any case.

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The French situation, my sources are telling me that ten people per week,

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for the last five months, have travelled out to Syria and many will

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have come back. If we look at the numbers here in the UK, it's quite

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instructive. These numbers are right up-to-date. They are from

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counter-terrorism sources today. 60 people are assessed to have

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travelled out to Syria. Some 60 people are assessed to have died

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fighting in Syria. 350 people are back in the UK already. We already

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have a derallying radicalisation in this programme called Channel. I

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think it's almost impossible for Khan tow cope with that level of -

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that number of people. I think that the real question here is - how do

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you prioritise your targets? There are some... There are 2,000 people,

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persons of interest, in the UK to MI5, the security service. The

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question is - how... The question really is how do you keep tabs on

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2,000 people? Priority, prioritisation is absolutely

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essential. I talked to someone today about communications technology.

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That is also very interesting. If you - I've spoken to someone who has

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infiltrated the cyber caliphate. They have been communicating with

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secure apps. I have some of these here. He said - one of the Isis

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supporters, alleged Isis supporters - "don't act until you are ready.

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Wait for the word and you'll go. " He also told me that in the UK right

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now there is police action. It's very hot. Bide your time. Wait until

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it's safe. This question is very, very serious. If terrorists are

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going to use secure communications there is a real threat to the UK.

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Mark Urban, thanks. The organized scale

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of this horror has left leaders across the world wondering what

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comes next and trying to work out What happened here last night will

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clearly re-energise debate about our The first blow was a bomb detonating

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outside the Stade de France as President Hollande watched the

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France Germany international. It was fold by two more blasts. Even if

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nothing else had happened, an attack by suicide bombers so close to the

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French President would have signalled a major event. It couldn't

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have underlined much more clearly Islamic State's intention to shift

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its violence towards the far enany, so-called, and in particular leading

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countries in the coalition against it. Two bodies were discovered. One

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of them appearing to be that of a suicide bomber with an explosive

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belt, batteries, detonator and a number of metal objects to make the

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explosion more dangerous. The attackers wore suicide vests. The

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Charlie Hebdo people didn't. It's similar to the attack in Beirut on

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Thursday evening that killed similar to the attack in Beirut on

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than 40 people and has also been associated with Islamic State. The

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use of suicide vests on western streets suggests a major new

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challenge for security agencies and it also suggests a bomb maker was an

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essential part of this operation. This isn't the first time assault

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weapons have been used on French streets. Several were seized after

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the Charlie Hebdo attacks. No-one nine days ago a Balkan man, bound

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for Paris, was arrested in Bavaria. His car boot was full of automatic

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weapons and explosives, underlining how relatively easy it is to bring

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such hardware through Europe. These weapons, especially the weapons like

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cla in as can could haves are circumstance lating, the central

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origin being the Balkans. We face this problem, not only terrorist

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situationings, but also very much in classic conflicts. It's a big

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challenge for us and I think France has been more accessible that other

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European countries. GUN SHOTS. People ask - could it happen here?

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If not in London, maybe Rome or Berlin. In the UK, there have been

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several major antiterrorist drills, practicing for the so-called Mumbai

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scenario. Those involved acknowledge a grim truth though, no preparations

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are perfect and that many can die in the minutes before an armed response

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arrives. Mark Urban with that report. Mark, you raised that

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question yourself really - do the events here make the authorities

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think it's more likely to happen at home? Well, the threat level is

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high, of course. There is a battery of things they can do to mitigate

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that. Let's not forget, some of those standard types of practice

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worked last night. The suicide bomber at the Stade de France was

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discovered trying to enter and blew himself before he got in. The border

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controls netted suspects. Intelligence is critical.

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Intelligence failed on the weapons issue in France. In the UK, counter

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terrorist people say they are confident they have a handle of this

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question of illegal weapons entering this country. They only have to have

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one significant slipup on that and the same pre-conditions for that

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type of attack could be created in the UK. Mark, thank you very much,

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indeed. Richard Barratt is the former

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director of global We have him on the line now from New

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York. Richard, thank you for joining us, if you can hear us? Yes, I can.

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What do you think this changes in terms of our strategy or Government

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strategy now towards Isis or towards terrorism? Yes. Well, I think the

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security services will carry on doing tomorrow and todayle of course

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what they've been doing for many months and many years up until now.

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That is, having a look at all those 2,000 people that were mentioned

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Earl earlier as being people of concern. To see which ones should be

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of most concern. Clearly, you can't deal with those fantastic numbers. I

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think the attacks in Paris also perhaps provide some useful

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analysis, looking at those individuals, what their conjectory

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was to arrive on the streets of Paris with delivering such murder

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and mayhem. Who they met, how they met them and how that network formed

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and so on. . They are associated with the Islamic State has been said

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by President Hollande or whether there are more self-immobilising

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cell. Whether they are return es and so on. All these things will help

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the security services to decide - we should devote more resources to this

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person and less to that. It's a difficult judgment to make, of

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course. When you hear, for example, that unwith of these men was known

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to police. He was known as a radical arrested eight times, never

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imprisoned. Does that sound like the system has gone wrong? I don't think

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so. An awful lot of people are known to the police for petty crime. A lot

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of those people are fairly radicalised. You can think back to

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the Lee Rigby murder, for example, both those people were known to the

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police for petty crime and rallying radicalisation. They are not unique

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by any means. It's really difficult to say - OK, in this case we will

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really focus on these people. Though of course it could be an indicator

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that something may be going on. I think there are two issues here.

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First... Carry on. I was going to say. People will be looking for

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reassurance at home saying - oh, we do things slightly differently in

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London. It's a different approach. A difficult strategy. Presumably you

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can't give anyone that reassurance can you? No. I don't think anyone

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pretends that reassurance is real. I think the level in threat in London

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is probably at "severe" just below the top level. That speaks for

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itself. In Paris of course there have been more threats. There are

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more threats to France than to the United Kingdom. That by no means

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there are no threats to the United Kingdom. We have about 1,500 - Thank

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you very much indeed. Thank you. No one expected to see attacks

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on the same city twice in one year. We were here in January

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after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. What's striking is how we

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tried to make sense of them. Was it about press freedom,

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was it about satire, The answer, in the light of what's

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happened here now, is clearly, no. This is a war on all our culture

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and our countries. And, it almost certainly,

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won't end here in France. He's in an exotic land. In the far

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reaches of northern Europe.

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