08/12/2015 Newsnight


08/12/2015

Evan Davis presents in-depth investigation and analysis of the day's headlines, including the Tory bullying scandal and floods. And has Donald Trump gone too far?


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Bullying among young Conservative campaigners. Another day, another

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damning dossier - with questions for the party chairman Lord Feldman.

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So complaints ant mark Clarke would be something that Conservative

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Central Office have known about for a very long time.

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Also tonight. Donald Trump is calling for a total and complete

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shut down of Muslims entering the United States.

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We'll examine what it is that people like about him, and what those that

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And this. You can watch my full interview with this man, with this

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amazing suit, really fancy, tonight on... BBC Newsnight. I think it is

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the moment of fashion. Lord Feldman - Andrew Feldman -

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is chairman of the Conservative Party. He's a close

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confidante of the Prime Minister, and a man substantially responsible

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for upholding decent standards And he finds himself now

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in the midst of a crisis over the behaviour of

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one senior campaigner, Mark Clarke. The crisis arose,

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when a young activist killed himself earlier this year, citing

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as a cause bullying by Mr Clarke. Questions were raised,

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not least by this programme. Had Former party chairman Grant Shapps

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accepted blame, But Lord Feldman has defended

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his own role, by saying he knew nothing of

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the problem until summer this year. The Prime Minister's inner circle

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has been described as a shamocracy - David Cameron's propensity to

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surround himself with But of all his relationships,

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it is his friendship with this man Lord Feldman is not only

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the Conservative Party chairman, but he is also David Cameron's

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former university tennis partner. It perhaps explains why the party

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was comfortable to see Grant Shapps resign over the affair, but

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determined to protect Lord Feldman. We will dive into the market and

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meet some market traders. But Feldman's career hangs

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on how much he knew about disgraced activist Mark Clarke's alleged

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bullying, and whether he acted with enough alacrity

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when complaints were first made. Mark Clarke denies the allegation.

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The student vote is really important. We

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Since the death of the young activist Elliott

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Johnson in September, there has been a stream of revelations about

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Last week, the party effectively acknowledged

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its internal investigation had been inadequate when it handed its

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But the biggest threat to Lord Feldman's career may come

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from a statement his own party made three weeks' ago.

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Tonight, a former Conservative activist tells

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Newsnight Lord Feldman was made aware of bullying long before 2015.

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Patrick Sullivan has known Clark since 2006.

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He says he has attempted to stop bullying in the youth wing

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of the Conservative Party called Conservative Future.

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He claims that he, along with Conservative MP Ben

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Howlett, compiled a dossier of complaints about bullying,

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which was handed into Feldman five years ago, in 2010.

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I have known Ben how let for annum of years he won an election for

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Conservative Future chairman, he was subject to bullying during that

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campaign and during hiss chair map ship. He has a strong anti-bullying

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stance in his campaign, because there had been a culture of bully,

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as soon as he is elected, myself, Ben, helped to compile a dossier,

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that dossier was given by Ben to Lord Feldman, and another. There

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were complaints about Mark Clarke given to Roger Pratt in 2008. So

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complaints about Mark Clarke have been something that Conservative

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Central Office have known about for a very long time.

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It is believed the dossier contained the complaints of a number of young

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activists and would have ended up in the building behind me. We have

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spoken to a couple of peek who have helped compile the dossier, and they

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say that Mark Clarke's name was in it. Patrick Sullivan says that the

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response to the dossier was initially very positive. Said Warsi

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was very vigilant in regards to bullying and ensured that anybody

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with a reputation of bullying was not involved in Conservative future

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or given access to young people. That somehow changed later on? That

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somehow changed later on, after she left. Sullivan's testimony appears

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to support what Ben Howlett told Newsnight three weeks' ago. Lord

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Feldman has been well aware of all of this, for a very long period of

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time. Howlett has refused to discuss the contents of the dossier with

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Newsnight. He says he will pass his information to the inquiry. This is

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the latest in a series of revelations that raises questions

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about whether the party dealt appropriately, with warnings of

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bullying, and Clark. Last week Newsnight reported that a memo had

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been handed into CC HQ by a party worker in August. The memo said

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Clark wases so thick and dangerous. And warned that if he was not kept

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grey the party's youth wing the result could be devastating.

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Lord Feldman orders an internal investigation after seeing that

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memo, however, Clark wasn't suspended by the party, until after

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Elliott Johnson's death a month later. I think it was quite shocking

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that Mark Clarke was able to continue with his road trip 2020

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while this investigation was in process.

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Elliott Johnson's father Ray believes there need to be more

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accountability at the top of the Conservative Party. I have no

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personal answer against Lord Feldman but I believe any head of an

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organisation should take responsibility for what happens in

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an organisation, if he has been made wear some years ago he should take

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responsibility and go. Lord Feldman continues to stress

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that he simply did not know about bullying, or about Mark Clarke.

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Tonight we have a statement from Lord Feldman himself saying:

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Such behaviour is abhorrent to me, had this been brought to my

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attention I would have taken immediate action to investigate as I

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have done since I received the complaint in August 2015.

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Donald Trump has made a habit of lighting the blue touch paper

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He did it again yesterday, and the fireworks duly ignited.

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Everybody in the Republican and Democrat political establishment

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in America has condemned his newly proclaimed policy of barring

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Actually, politicians here too condemned it,

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from David Cameron, to Nigel Farage, who called it a step too far.

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But if Mr Trump's appeal is based on anti-establishment credentials, it's

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not clear whether his supporters will care about the criticism.

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But there's no doubt, Trump has been the talk of America today.

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The White House has denounced the Trump plan.

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It shows the new furore over Donald Trump, showing you raising your hand

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We have from Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on

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American Islamic Relations saying, "Are we talking internment camps,

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are we talking the final solution to the Muslim question?

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You're increasingly being compared to Hitler, does that

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No, because what I'm doing is no different to what FDR -

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FDR's solution for Germans, Italians, Japanese, you know,

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We have places in London that are so radicalised, that the police are

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Rather than debate the specific merits of the policies

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he's proposing, we thought we might look at what people like about him.

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I'm joined by the Iraq war veteran Joel Arends from South Dakota,

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chairman of Veterans for a Stronger America, which endorsed

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And from Washington we're joined by the journalist

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Good evening, after noon to your both. Joel, let me start with you,

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there has been lots of criticism about what Donald Trump said. Now

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has that made any difference to you in your view of what he announced

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his policy was on foreign Muslims entering the US? Well, there is

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always going to be strong criticism of the kind of policy he has

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suggested. Look, it is a workable policy if we are able to restrict

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immigration from certain countries of origin. What you are seeing in

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America right now is there is an intense determination among many in

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the electorate to want to stop radical Islamic terrorism, and in

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order to stop that, we are looking at new ideas and so I think what

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Donald Trump is doing is voicing a lot of the frustration, but also a

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lot of the resolve and determination that Americans have, to want to stop

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the terrorism from coming to our shore, we saw it in San Bernadino,

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Americans are on edge, Donald Trump is giving voice to those people and

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their concern, so when he announces a major policy shift like that, you

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will see the kind of criticism, he is not one to shy away from

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criticism. That is certainly another... Dick Cheney, he is hardly

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Mr Liberal, and everybody in the establishment has criticised him.

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Does that in way strengthen your support for Trump or make you

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question? Well, I don't think it makes his question his suppose as to

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what it says to us as have the current and existing policies been

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work something no, they haven't. They haven't stopped terrorism

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coming to our shore, what do we do next? We need to look at restricting

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or putting a temporary pause on immigration, Rupert Murdoch came out

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today and said a temporary pause is a great idea as well. Until question

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get a handle on how to best defend the home land, maybe we should make

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a temporary pause a part of the dialogue, Donald Trump has certainly

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done that, I think there is constitutional issue there's that

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will have to be worked through. It is constitution Ali permissible in

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America, to stop immigrants from coming from certain countries of

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origin, whether or not the religious test would survive a constitutional

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challenge is a little uncertain but that is part of his Donald Trump

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appeal, he is plain spoken and he is talking to people's concerns. Plain

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spoken and constitutional issues deal with them later. Before I move

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on, let us talk about this, today Donald Trump said parts of London

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are so radicalised the police are afraid for their own lives. I live

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in London, for a few year, I can tell you I think that is not true.

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Now, does that matter to you, that I, who live in London tell you that

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Donald Trump has just made up something, that is, you know,

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basically balderdash, nonsense and spouted it as a fact. Does it matter

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to you that he does that or not? I think what he is giving rise to, he

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is certainly giving a reference to some of the no-go zones that, that

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appear throughout Europe. I think, you know, we have seen that in

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France, there are certain places, we even see it in America today, where

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there are certain towns in America where you have seen... I don't want

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to argue about it with you, because we don't have it in London. He said

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we have it in London. What I want to know whether it matters to you

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whether the truth value of what he says is a of any significance or

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whether he is giving voice to the concerns that is the appeal? He is a

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bombastic figures she going to say exaggerated things from time to

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time, in order to make his point. It is how he is cutting through like a

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knife to the rest of the American public, because they understand what

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he is say, they understand what he is trying to get through with these

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30 second sound bites that most of America can't get past. He is

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getting through, he is getting past, they understand it, they understand

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that there is no-go zones round Europe, whether or not they are in

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London or not is irrelevant to the major policy issue of is it happen

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something Thank you. Stay there. I am going to put some of that to my

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other guest. What is your theory as to why Donald Trump has been so

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unbeatable in this Republican contest this year? I think we are

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witnessing the death rattle of white supremacy in America. It is an

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ideology of exclusion, there are people who want to conTrickett

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America and others who want to stretch America to accommodate

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minorities and freedoms. All the studies show that Trump is appealing

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to the disaffected white voter. So the surveys show the white voter is

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saying this America no longer belongs to me, I can no longer

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become a protagonist. America has become a minority country. He has

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support. It is not negligible support. This

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race plays interfere. What Donald Trump does cynically, he marries

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anger with hate, with ignorance and creates a lot of cocktail and

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projects strength by lobbying it against a perceived enemy, the

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other. In this case banalities, Muslims, women, black men, Mexican

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immigrants. He says I will protect you against them. Disagree, this is

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the irony, he has given Islamic State a premature early Christmas

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gift. Basically they're number recruitment tool is the West is at

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war with Islam. President Obama said to not divide along religious or

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ethnic lines, because that helps Islamic State. And Dawn Trump says

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I'm going to ban Muslims. He gave a nice gift to Isis and I'm sure they

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e-mailed him and said thank you for doing our job. There is plain

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speaking, this was a phrase used and you have to admit that it is more

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interesting to listen to the guy speak than a lot of other guys

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speaking. That is part of his appeal. He positioned himself as

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saying I'm not these old-timers, not part of the establishment, I am

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self-made, I have my own money, I will tell it like it is. I do not

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bow down to political correctness and I will rationalise your hate, be

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a spokesman for your frustration and say what I have got to say. I do not

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care about moderation. Of course that is attractive to a base

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according to all the studies that those fields disaffected and sees

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the country slipping away. There is anger and frustration but it is

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channelled in the most poisonous way which divides Americans along

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religious and ethnic lines. That helps our enemies. Joel, that film.

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Network, the catchphrase is I am mad as hell and I will not take this any

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more. That is what Donald Trump is appealing to. Do you recognise that

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in yourself for example, angry white man? Absolutely not, I reject any

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such notion. What Donald Trump is speaking to is the hopes and dreams

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of Americans in general. Looking at is minority support, he has

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phenomenal support with the African American community and Hispanic

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community relatively speaking. In the African-American community in

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fact he has increased levels of support because they understand that

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cheap labour flowing across the borders in the form of illegal

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immigration is running African-American communities. We are

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going to lose the line. Let me go back to Wajahat Ali. What is

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interesting is how hard it has been for opponents to lay a glove on

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Donald Trump. What would be your advice because if you argue with

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him, if you taken seriously and argue with him you give him

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credibility. If you ignore him you're just undignified and the guy

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is the centre of the show. When Dick Cheney, the most Muslims consider

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the manifestation of the Sith Lord himself, basically says Trump is too

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extreme, that is telling. What a lot of the Republicans and many

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Americans have to say is OK, this guy is a bustling, a character, then

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spoken and fun to watch but he is dividing us and making us less safe.

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That is what you say because his rhetoric is poisonous and assist our

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enemies both abroad and at home. What type of future do we have for

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the rest of America, all Americans regardless of religion, ethnicity

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and gender, if I might Donald becomes president and enacted

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policies. It would be World War II. Maybe he wants those internment

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centres. Hopefully that will not happen. We are living in an era

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where these events do seem to happen, what would be the chance

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that he gets the Republican nomination and goes on to beat

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Hillary Clinton? It is a scary time because he is double down on his

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anti-Muslim rhetoric, he sees it working with his base and now he's

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the leading candidate for the Republicans. He might be the leading

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candidate and I see this as the death rattle of a certain white

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supremacy in America. I do not think he will win because we have seen

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solidarity even with Republicans and the Conservatives and all along

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religious and ethnic lines saying that this is enough, this is toxic

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and we reject it. So I remain hopeful and please remain hopeful in

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the future of America. When I looked a little earlier this

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evening, the weather forecast was for further rainfall across much of

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Scotland and northern England during John Sweeney is in Kendal today

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in the heart of the Lake District. The town didn't get

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a flood protection scheme that was planned, and now

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much of it has been flooded. John spent the day with families who

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had been washed out of As the floodwaters recede,

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what is striking is the grace and courage of the ordinary people

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of Cumbria whose living rooms Kendal sits in a bowl of hills

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and on Saturday night and Sunday morning it was swamped

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by a month's worth of rain. There is a culvert,

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an underground river beneath us, that overfilled and then a wall of

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water like a mini tsunami battered And the poor people living here had

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no idea what was going to hit them. At finishing time I collected

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my wife from work We struggled to get home in the car

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because they had closed bridges. So we had to go all the way

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round the town to get back here. And in the meanwhile I phoned

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my son who was at home doing some artwork, totally

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oblivious of what was going on. So I rang up and said,

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will we get somewhere A foot and a half

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of water was flowing down the road. Jude Harrison,

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shopkeeper and grandmother. And the thing that upset her

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the most? I had kept the letter that my son

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had written me, for 16 years. And I have just found it,

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it is ruined. Ashley Harrison,

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son and tattoo artist. I think after the water had actually

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come up through there was kind of a And just that moment of well,

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we can't do anything. So we sat down and had a glass

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of wine and just had a bit Wendy and Russell Dawson,

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they live for their dogs. So unfortunately Newsnight

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doesn't have smell-ovision. I cannot tell

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the viewer what it smells like. But you live here,

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this is your home. As the waters rose outside, what

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to do about their trail hounds? All

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of a sudden it came through the back It just rose and it was just grab

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the dogs and straight upstairs. Seven dogs, me and my wife

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and my son in the bedroom. And these are working

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dogs that live outside! Andrew Henshaw

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and Danny Hawes were told by an elderly neighbour when they

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moved in, Sandylands never floods. and I turned round and it was just

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coming through the floor. Within about 30 seconds we were

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in two inches of water. So we turned the power of

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at the fuse box because we don't We went upstairs and we thought,

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we can cope with soggy carpet You came down

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about 20 minutes later and it was up And then at half past eight we knew

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it was too late We just decided to leave because

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we didn't know what else to do. These houses were built in 1923

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and people said they had never People in the town talked about

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global warming, bare hills causing This is where the Lake District

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meets The Italian Job. The mini's owners are

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in sunny Spain. I have been told there is

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a covert which runs across the estate and of course the water could

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not get into the River Kent because It's backed up and all

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of a sudden it would come over I think that is exactly

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what has happened. Cleaning up this stinking mess

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would spoil anyone's Christmas. But there is something about

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the quiet stoicism of the people of We don't meet enough glamorous

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fashionistas on this programme so it's nice to bring you a rising

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star of the scene, with even more glittering friends and social media

:24:52.:24:55.

followers than we have. Frenchman Olivier Rousteing is

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creative director of the house of Balmain, now linking up with

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a name familiar in the UK, H He's adopted, and has scaled the

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commanding heights of French couture despite lacking the traditional

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advantages of being white and old - In an exclusive interview, he's

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been speaking to Stephen Smith. Olivier Rousteing is young enough

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and pretty enough to be a model. In fact, he is creative designer for

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one of fashion's leading brands. Now collaborating with

:25:34.:25:36.

high street chain H It is a big challenge, but it's

:25:37.:25:41.

an amazing challenge for a designer Because usually you speak to

:25:42.:25:44.

a niche, to a really small crowd. Because not everyone can afford

:25:45.:25:50.

the Balmain clothes. So I have to say that it's really

:25:51.:25:53.

exciting for me to work Because you talk to a really big

:25:54.:25:56.

crowd, like more global, and all my fans that maybe love the

:25:57.:26:07.

brand and love the Balmain work but cannot afford the clothes, actually

:26:08.:26:11.

now can afford the clothes. Rousteing has nearly two million

:26:12.:26:14.

followers on social media. He is so well-connected,

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it's thought he may know who all My generation it is Facebook,

:26:20.:26:22.

Twitter, Instagram, it is one click. So I have to say that also my way

:26:23.:26:28.

of working is the same, If you don't like me,

:26:29.:26:31.

you just un-follow me. So there's something really honest

:26:32.:26:37.

that we don't have sometimes in fashion, because when you're part

:26:38.:26:39.

of a magazine, maybe you can be a big advertiser, where on social

:26:40.:26:42.

media I think it is something really How easy or difficult has it been

:26:43.:26:46.

for somebody like you to make it I had been adopted

:26:47.:26:53.

by my white parents. I don't know where I come from,

:26:54.:26:59.

because I was born in the late '80s, when the mum was giving up

:27:00.:27:03.

the baby, she could leave without So I think fashion always helped me

:27:04.:27:06.

to actually define who I am Because not knowing where you come

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from, not knowing your parents, Because I think we can't forget that

:27:19.:27:25.

sometimes fashion is defined So I think I have been lucky, but

:27:26.:27:30.

at the same time I work so hard. And I almost thank my past because I

:27:31.:27:37.

think it is my past that makes me There is great debate

:27:38.:27:41.

about the size, shape, of catwalk models, people say they

:27:42.:27:45.

are too skinny, they're not real. So I think we're going back to real

:27:46.:27:51.

bodies, to embrace real femininity And all my catwalk,

:27:52.:28:00.

all my girls are naturally like They can be mums, they can be young,

:28:01.:28:04.

it is just depending. But I love just showing reality

:28:05.:28:08.

on my catwalk. And I think we are

:28:09.:28:11.

going back to that. You have got

:28:12.:28:13.

into trouble with a belfie or two. It is when you take photos

:28:14.:28:15.

of your backside, your ass. Your bosses weren't too keen,

:28:16.:28:20.

is that right? I think they were not

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like the happiest person But when they see my ass,

:28:27.:28:28.

they were OK! Like, I took a selfie

:28:29.:28:32.

a long time ago of my body, and actually after I had it changed

:28:33.:28:38.

to do a cover naked for a magazine. I just want to show myself,

:28:39.:28:42.

how I am, without a double-breasted jacket and in French we say

:28:43.:28:45.

"mise a nu", literally being naked. The Paris attacks happened in

:28:46.:28:52.

your neighbourhood where you live. I was with my assistant and we were

:28:53.:28:57.

speaking about the next collection. And she asked me,

:28:58.:29:04.

is it going to take long, the So she texted her boyfriend

:29:05.:29:06.

and said we are not going to go to the restaurant,

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because she should have had dinner, and this dinner was exactly

:29:15.:29:16.

at the place where they shot. So she felt really lucky, obviously,

:29:17.:29:20.

because she was with me in the office when we heard

:29:21.:29:23.

the news on our phone. We locked the office

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and we just didn't want to go out. The past few days have seen

:29:26.:29:29.

considerable success for I don't think we need to respond

:29:30.:29:31.

by extremist ideas. I think Front National is

:29:32.:29:50.

like a really bad thing for France. I think people should vote and I

:29:51.:29:53.

think people should actually not go We can't answer an extreme story

:29:54.:29:56.

with extreme political ideas. I'm really wondering

:29:57.:30:01.

about my country because I'm really worried, I think we can't forget

:30:02.:30:05.

that what is amazing about France is I don't think there's any freedom

:30:06.:30:09.

in Front National. With all that's happened with Paris,

:30:10.:30:15.

I want to make sure my next collection is

:30:16.:30:20.

a reflection of the beautiful So it is going to be a lot

:30:21.:30:23.

of diversity, it is going to be a beautiful Paris and it is going

:30:24.:30:32.

to be a homage to my country. And showing that Paris is amazing

:30:33.:30:35.

and we have to keep it strong and not forget that Paris is

:30:36.:30:38.

the city of light. It's been a difficult week

:30:39.:30:50.

for the Stop the War coalition. It failed to Stop the War in that

:30:51.:30:52.

Commons vote last Wednesday. And today,

:30:53.:30:55.

the Green Party MP Caroline Lucas stepped down as a patron, troubled

:30:56.:30:58.

by some statements of the campaign. It's Jeremy Corbyn's connection to

:30:59.:31:01.

Stop the War that is keeping it Lfie. In belfie. What happened

:31:02.:31:14.

today? So, Stop the War organisation that has been round since early

:31:15.:31:18.

2000, to oppose military intervention in places like

:31:19.:31:22.

Afghanistan and irrang, Caroline Lucas and Jeremy Corbyn being

:31:23.:31:26.

lifelong supporters of it. Caroline Lucas pulls out. She says that

:31:27.:31:33.

reports end didn't let Syrians speak at a meeting in November. Stop the

:31:34.:31:37.

War deny that. That is one of the reasons she is citing and the other

:31:38.:31:40.

is she is unhappy about comments they made in the aftermath of par

:31:41.:31:47.

Ritz. One supporter was supposed to have said... She accepts the

:31:48.:31:51.

comments are been taken down but she says it was the Vice-President. She

:31:52.:31:55.

didn't feel she could take, keep an eye on what they were up to so she

:31:56.:31:58.

pulled out. This puts pressure on Jeremy Corbyn, at the weekend on

:31:59.:32:03.

Friday, he is due to be speaking at one of their big dinner, ?50 a head.

:32:04.:32:09.

Three course, Turkish meal? A glass of wine and the night will feature

:32:10.:32:14.

music, comedy and speeches, including one from Jeremy Corbyn. It

:32:15.:32:19.

is his position, they have reiterated it to me, Stop the War is

:32:20.:32:24.

a vital democratic campaign, organised the biggest demonstration

:32:25.:32:28.

in British political history and this quote, called it right, Jeremy

:32:29.:32:33.

Corbyn is not pulling out, but, I think that Caroline Lucas pulling

:32:34.:32:37.

out might change it, because she is a fellow traveller of his. It is not

:32:38.:32:42.

like Tristram Hunt, he is on a different wing of the party, who at

:32:43.:32:47.

the weekend he said Stop the War was deplorable. This is coming from a

:32:48.:32:50.

different quarter. Thank you very much.

:32:51.:32:53.

A lot of race being discussed in the programme today.

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I'd like to say it was thematic planning, but it wasn't.

:32:56.:32:58.

However it was exactly 50 years ago today that the Race Relations Act

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The law prohibited discrimination on "grounds of colour, race,

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or ethnic or national origins " in public places.

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It didn't cover housing, it didn't cover employment.

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But it did mark a pretty big legal change.

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It was back in days when the phrase "colour bar" didn't

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We asked writer Benjamin Zephaniah, who's a little older than the Act,

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to look back, and at how far we've come.

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There is some bad language in his piece.

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And Britain was a very different place.

:33:31.:33:34.

There were colour bars - landlords would refuse to rent to

:33:35.:33:38.

Most people are suspicious when they first meet something different.

:33:39.:33:46.

Immigrants are different. There were pubs with signs,

:33:47.:33:48.

"no blacks, no Irish, no dogs". Want to keep Britain. Keep it white,

:33:49.:33:51.

as it should be. The Race Relations Act

:33:52.:34:04.

of 1965 changed things. It was now illegal to discriminate

:34:05.:34:06.

in public on the grounds of colour, It was a civil and not

:34:07.:34:09.

a criminal offence, and it didn't Three years later,

:34:10.:34:15.

the law was toughened up following Enoch Powell's infamous

:34:16.:34:20.

rivers of blood speech. In this country, in 15 or 20 years'

:34:21.:34:35.

time, the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.

:34:36.:34:40.

Notting Hill is famous for its carnival. Not the notorious race

:34:41.:34:46.

riots of 1958. This used to be the front line. A danger no go area for

:34:47.:34:53.

some. But now, it is one of the trendiest most multicultural parts

:34:54.:34:56.

of London. Time has moved on, and racism has evolved. We don't really

:34:57.:35:01.

see gangs of racist thugs roaming the streets like they did back in

:35:02.:35:06.

the day. They now wear suits and ties. Some form political party,

:35:07.:35:12.

some build websites and some of them are academics. The whites have

:35:13.:35:20.

become black. A particular sort of violent, distrucktive nihilistic

:35:21.:35:22.

gangster culture has become the fashion.

:35:23.:35:27.

Racists have become more sophisticated.

:35:28.:35:27.

He picked on me, sat next to me on packed train on the way to

:35:28.:35:42.

Liverpool. He like, he called me all of the names you can think of and

:35:43.:35:47.

more and started doing monkey sounds and you know, jungle sounds and told

:35:48.:35:53.

me to get out of his country, his grandfather fought in the war so

:35:54.:35:57.

dirty Africans like me could get out. Nobody jumped to my rescue. I

:35:58.:36:03.

said I was on there, on my own for 45 minute, it was only when I I was

:36:04.:36:07.

was physically assaulted one person, one man finally came to my defence.

:36:08.:36:20.

It isn't enough for me to make more or less Indian work or work that

:36:21.:36:26.

refers if you like to my past, what I am interested in, is how it is

:36:27.:36:34.

that one can be you know, one can rid one's self of that colonial

:36:35.:36:39.

yolk. Something to do with this both, the expectations of one's self

:36:40.:36:46.

and the expectation given by a political socio-political context

:36:47.:36:49.

that says in order to be the cutting-edge on the cutting-edge,

:36:50.:36:53.

you have to deal with this question of your blackness. Well, actually do

:36:54.:36:58.

you? In my generation we are using to it. Definitely used to getting

:36:59.:37:04.

not getting a job because your name is a certain name or having people

:37:05.:37:09.

harass you because your hair is difference, that is insidious

:37:10.:37:13.

racism. What happened to me is kind of what we think happens in America,

:37:14.:37:18.

what we think happened to our parents and our grandparents. I no

:37:19.:37:23.

longer have to run away from skin head thugs but I still get stopped

:37:24.:37:28.

by the police. On the whole society is more accepting but we Silva

:37:29.:37:33.

institutional racism. Company boardrooms are very white, and

:37:34.:37:36.

ethnic minority communities are still very suspicious of the police.

:37:37.:37:42.

After the death of Steven Lawrence the report said the Met was

:37:43.:37:46.

institutionally racist, and that hasn't gone away. Black people are

:37:47.:37:50.

still disproportionately stopped and searched, and the amount of black

:37:51.:37:55.

people, like my cousin Mikey Powell that die in custody is very

:37:56.:38:00.

worrying. It seems to me we live in a society

:38:01.:38:06.

where we are always being told to fear someone. The other. Those who

:38:07.:38:12.

are not like us, and the newest targets are migrants, those who

:38:13.:38:17.

David Cameron refers to as the swarm. We also live in a time of a

:38:18.:38:26.

new kind of does one call it racism? One does, Islamophobia, you know, it

:38:27.:38:32.

is as if it has given full measure, you are allowed to you know, look at

:38:33.:38:37.

those people who wear a hijab or whatever else it is, and say are you

:38:38.:38:43.

going to bomb me now? You know, how many incidents have there be

:38:44.:38:46.

recently, and how watchful do we have to be? Very, I say.

:38:47.:38:53.

This is just one of the many racist rants on public transport that have

:38:54.:39:01.

recently gone viral. Bitches -- bitches. Isis bitches.

:39:02.:39:10.

Laws can control people's actions but they can't control people's

:39:11.:39:15.

thoughts. As racism becoming more subtle we need to keep pressuring

:39:16.:39:20.

our institutions to change. So yes, society is a lot more tolerant than

:39:21.:39:25.

it was 50 years ago but there is still work to do.

:39:26.:39:32.

The struggle continues. We need to stop blaming each other.

:39:33.:39:39.

You see, I am not the problem, but I bear the brunt of silly playground

:39:40.:39:43.

taunts an racist stunts. I am not the problem. I am a born academic

:39:44.:39:49.

but they have me on the run. Now I am branded athletic, I am not the

:39:50.:39:53.

problem, if you give me a chance I will teach you of Tim buck too. I

:39:54.:39:57.

can do more than dance, I am not the problem, I greet you with a smile,

:39:58.:40:03.

you put me in a pigeon hole but I am versatile. Well, these conditions

:40:04.:40:07.

may affect me, as I get older, and I am positively sure I have no chips

:40:08.:40:13.

on my shoulders, black is not the problem, mother country, get it

:40:14.:40:18.

right. And just for the record, some of my best friends are white!

:40:19.:40:23.

That is just about it for this evening. Before we go I am not sure

:40:24.:40:31.

whether it is austerity to me the fashion for flamboyant Christmas

:40:32.:40:34.

light displays seem to have passed its peak. At least that is what I

:40:35.:40:42.

thought, then this display in Texas came along courtesy of the Johnson

:40:43.:40:46.

family in San Antonio.

:40:47.:40:54.

Evan Davis looks at the Tory bullying scandal, floods and Olivier Rousteing. Stop the War come under fire, Benjamin Zephaniah speaks about race, and has Donald Trump gone too far?


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