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A new drug to protect against HIV if its taken before sex.

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So is this a public health right - or a party pill?

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I have many great Muslim friends, and some of them, I will say not

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all, have called me and said "Donald, thank you very much.

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You are exposing an unbelievable problem."

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MPS will spend three hours debating whether to ban Donald Trump

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Is it the sign of a healthy democracy?

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Or a narrow minded one? Rose Hamid - the Muslim woman

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who was thrown out of a Donald Trump rally -

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And as extreme adventure movie, The Revenant opens at cinemas

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across the UK, we talk to its director, Alejandro Gonzalez

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I want that the audience in a way, that rarely will ever in life

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Should a pill to prevent HIV be handed out free to gay men before

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This is a question the NHS is actively considering right now.

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The medication Truvada - or Prep - prevents new infections

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by killing the virus before it has a chance to take hold.

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And the Lancet has calculated it could be used to cut new infections

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by more than 40 percent in the UK - preventing seven and a half thousand

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new cases of HIV within the next five years - if it's taken daily

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But some medics fear it will merely be used as a way of getting

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round safe sex - deployed primarily as a party drug.

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And say crucially, it doesn't cut out other sexually transmitted

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disease - the same argument that might once have been used

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about an NHS funded female contraceptive pill.

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Putting someone on a daily dose of Truvada costs around five

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If you must sleep with more than one partner, you must wear a condom,

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because if you do get Aids, what can the doctors do to save you?

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HIV is nothing like the terror it was.

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New research has confirmed another step forwards in the fight

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New analysis by medical researchers, including some at the London School

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of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, has confirmed the effectiveness

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That stands for pre-exposure prophylaxis.

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What they have found is if you give a single

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drug each day to men who have sex with men,

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to use the blunt medical jargon, it reduces their chances

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We found offering Prep alongside regular testing and early

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treatment to just a quarter of men who have sex with men at high risk

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of contracting HIV could prevent around 7500 new HIV infections

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in the UK before 2020 and that is around 40%

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of all new HIV infections of men who have

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Might this drug which is brands as Macis save money by cutting HIV

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infections? At its current prize of ?5,000 a year that a long shot. I

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could cost hundreds of millions for a proper roll out. But it still

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might be cost effective spending and that price will fall as patents

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expire. This topic has been hot for a while, in New York City. The

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debate about initiating Prep in New York is over. There is an increase

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in the number of people who are taking Prep, specifically men who

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have sex with men, and we believe that will decrease new infections in

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the population it is not seen a budge in the numbers for years.

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So should clinics like this one use public money to distribute the drug

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is this NHS England will consult probably in the next month or so.

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But what broader consequences might it have One of our main concerns is

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whether men who know they are protected will compensate for this

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by increasing their sexual risk taking, in this study risk

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compensation analysis says a slight increase is unlikely to completely

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counter act the strong HIV prevention benefit. We did not

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explore the potential impact of riskier behaviour on the spread of

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other sexual transmitted infection. Some other diseases are proving a

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particular problem for gay men, among men treated at clip nicks

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those who had sex with other men accounted for 68% of those with

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syphilis. Prep is not something that should be

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used in isolation to prevent sexually transmid infection. It

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prevents HIV and only HIV. To prevent other sexually transmitted

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infections it needs to be combined with other modalities, so our

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example is, our New York City play sure kit. We show if we combine with

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Prep with condoms we can give people a better strategy to prevent HIV.

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For all the focus on gay men we often forget a community which has

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very high HIV infection rates. Britain's of a black African

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population. That is 40,000 people and a strategy for them will need to

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follow. We have come a long way since the

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1980s. Like to party. I like to be safe. The big questions

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now are, is this the most effective way to spend money, and what

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unintended consequences might Prep have?

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One of Britian's leading LGBT journalists, Patrick Strudwick,

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has been looking into the merits of Truvada and he believes

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the convention of using condoms has failed.

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He gave us his take on it for Newsnight.

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We now have a drug that many regard as a miracle. It can prevent HIV

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infection. It is highly effective, there are very few or even no side

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effects and according to a report in the Lancet this week, if we gave it

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to gay men we could prevent 10,000 new cases of HIV by 2020.

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Because Prep isn't available on the NHS, a growing number of gay men are

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buying it online. Like this, this is the generic version of Truvada. You

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can buy it off the internet. Import it from India and it costs a

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fraction of what you pay on a private prescription.

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Generic Prep is only a Stan gap until the NHS provides it for free

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for those of us who are most at risk of getting HIV. I think it's a

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scandal that we are in 2016, and we have known for four or five years,

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how effective Prep is. Already many gay men are taking Prep

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and saying so on a dating app profiles. Sometimes it is to show

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they won't say no to someone because they are HIV-positive. Sometimes it

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can mean they are interested in having condomless sex. Either way it

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is beginning to break down the barriers between HIV-negative and

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HIV-positive men. Prep has than an amazing effect on my life. The same

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anxiousness round sex, because I know that I am protected, I now do

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not need to have that awkward conversation, asking such a personal

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question to someone, to ask them if they are HIV-positive or not,

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because I know that I am protected against HIV and I am not passing it

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on to other people. For me, the NHS is letting gay men

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down. It could easily make Prep available and it is not doing so.

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This is negligent. We have more than 6,000 new cases of HIV a year. Round

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half are of gay men. The battle for condom use has been lost. It is time

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It is time to look elsewhere, for answers to the HIV epidemic.

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Joining me to discuss this is Dr Michael Brady

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And from Los Angeles, Ged Kenslea, senior director

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Gentlemen, good to have you here. Ged Kenslea, do you believe that the

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battle for use of condoms has been logs, that there are better ways now

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to Superintendent HIV Aids? Well, I hate to rain on Patrick's parade, if

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but if he feels the battle for condoms has been lost, at least

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under US a guidelines we won't want to do Prep because it requires

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condom use as well. It's a four part prevention strategy as a doctor

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mentioned. Kudos to them, because they are very aggressive marketing

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in the city that has Prep plus condoms. Prep technically it is a

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negative HIV test to start. Daily adherence to the pill. Periodic,

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three month follow up negative testing to make sure that the

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individual remains HIV-negative, and continued use of other prevention

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strategy, like condoms. At least under US guideline, Prep includes

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condom use. So Michael Brady, when you see the advert for exam million

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the piece we have watched of the guy going out, he says I like to party

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and that is his answer to it. Do you accept it is sometimes used as a

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party drug, even though it shouldn't be. I think we need to be careful

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about the language round Prep and not forget this is a very well

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researched successful HIV intervention. The research studies

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and the evidence behind it is robust, solid and adds you mentioned

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before, with the Lancet paper has been published in peer journals. The

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context of that advert has to be you know realise, I assume that is

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something that aimed at a community, so of lay enpeople, so the

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language... You can do this if you want. We can choose which word to

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pick up on, we can pick up on I like to play or be safe. That is the

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important thing, what Prep gives up or those men who may be at risk is

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another option to remain safe and to use it in conjunction with condoms.

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There is not an intervention to be used by itself. Would you agree with

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person who says it is a scandal to know how effective this is and not

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have it freely available here on the NHS? Well, we support the NHS on

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that. My understanding is that the medication isn't really approved by

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your Government as yet. But we would a prove that. We, my boss made the

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offhanded comment about a year or so ago, referring to Prep as a party

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drug. That inflamed the internet and so forth, but, you know, our

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physician, prescribe Prep, we have a chain of 37 pharmacies in 14 of the

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US state, they fill prescriptions for Prep. We believe that Prep

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should be a decision made between a provider and his or her patient, not

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a blanket community wide. Would your organisation withdraw that claim, if

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you like, it is a party drug? Do you think that was wrongly worded? No, I

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don't think so, because what has happened since FDA approval in July

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of 2012 is the goalposts have moved. In that Prep used toed daily

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medication, now it is really being promoted for situational use. A mind

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you there are studies going on that are exploring that issue, but under

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current guidelines it should be daily adherence, people are now

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suggesting which we believe that ad says you can do it for three or four

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days. Sorry, when you hear it is being used for situational use

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people will be watching saying there are many diseases that frankly

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aren't preventable, that NHS money could be spent on, you can't stop

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cancer by using a condom, you probably can stop HIV. Let me

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address a number of those thingingser. Going back to the

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initials a tasting about the condoms, the battle of condoms has

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been loss, that is not true. There is lots of evidence that shows

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condom use has been effective in slowing the pace of infection, but

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it hasn't stopped them. In this country, certainly, the the same

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number of gay men are being infected, while condoms have no made

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it worse we need to up step up. That is where Prep comes in. You talk

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about... It is important to make the point about intermittent use, there

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are two published studies that shown the same efficacy, one was the Proud

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study, which is regular Prep use and one in France, which showed that you

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could use it in intermittently, there is good evidence to show that

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situational or on demand use of Prep is just as effective. You are

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talking about the use for gay men on a daily basis. Or intermittent. It

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works a ewell. One third of HIV diagnosis are with British African,

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straight and gay, so the moment you start introducing arbitrary

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prescriptions, you are trying to decide who merits getting it and who

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doesn't. I don't think so. It is not arbitrary. If we talk about the gay

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men group to start with. I will come on to other groups, we already have

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lots of evidence in, which would enable us to identify those gay men

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who are most at risk, based on sexual history, whether on your

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reports of unprotected sex or previously infections. Those men who

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are going to benefit is easy. Those of us involved in the Proud study

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have found that easy in terms of recruiting. It impacts on the other

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important fact round NHS funding of this, I think we must not lose sight

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of ourer, our health care system is funded differently from the States.

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Is important the cost effectiveness is brought in so it is a fair

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comparison with other things we have to spend resources on.

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It is one of the most peculiar recent developments

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of our parliamentary democracy - if a petition to Parliament passes

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a threshold of 100,000 signatures, a debate with MPs can be held.

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And thus it is that on Monday night, our legislators will gather

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for a full three hours to argue whether Donald Trump should

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Nearly 600,000 people signed the petition -

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the largest ever - after the Republican candidate's

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controversial call for Muslims to be barred

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So does this signal a healthy democracy in action,

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or a narrow-minded response that matches the very move

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the petitioners are seeking to vilify?

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It is easy to laugh at the schmaltz of American politics sometimes.

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# Donald Trump knows how to make America great...

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This, believe it or not, was organised by people who support

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Donald Trump, not by his enemies to make him look ridiculous.

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But perhaps the Americans can laugh at the absurdity of our system

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As an example, some might cite the fact that on Monday,

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for three hours in a side room of the Commons,

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There won't be a vote and it's hard to see any of what is said

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there making the blindest bit of difference to anything.

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Parliament has more important things to do.

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We have attacks on the homeland from Isil, attacks in Europe,

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the European Union going on, the stuff

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that fills up Newsnight every night, and we are discussing Donald Trump.

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The debate was triggered by a government e-petition,

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signed by people outraged by comments by a man who calls

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himself the least racist person you have ever met.

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Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete

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shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our

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country's representatives can figure out what

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In the UK, these words were met with outraged

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condemnation by everyone in mainstream politics

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and there was no shortage of advice for the Home

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Are you going to ban Donald Trump from the UK?

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It is an easy matter to ban someone - they are not

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It happens to thousands of people all the time.

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However, when it happens to a celebrity, like it did to Chris

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Brown, or Mike Tyson, or Martha Stewart, we in the media

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But the Home Secretary also has the power to

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personally exclude someone whose presence in the UK she feels is not

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For some MPs, that is the perfect description of Donald Trump.

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He is not conducive to the public good.

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We have rules in our country that state

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if figures are not conducive to the public good, they should not

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We should not make exceptions for billionaire

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Sometimes that's the beauty of freedom of speech.

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When it gets out in the open and is put in such a way people say,

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wait a minute, this is the dumbest thing I've heard, and you don't know

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As someone who has been been a talk-show host, many days

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many days I have had something that is genius

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until I open my mouth, and I am the first to say -

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that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

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The main reason this will come to nothing is the government

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Come November, there is a chance Donald Trump could be elected

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It is not a massive chance, but stranger things

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And the government is not about to risk such an international

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Donald Trump has faced scarier situations than just being talked

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Being banned might even help him win votes, although not necessarily

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Rose Hamid was kicked out of a Donald Trump event in South

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She had stood in silent protest, wearing a hijab and a T-shirt

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Nice of you to join us, why did you attend that event?

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Nice of you to join us, why did you have a history of protesting things

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we stand against and that was have a history of protesting things

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aspect. The other aspect Muslim, I have objection to the way

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he is talking about Muslims, and not just Muslims, but all hate speech in

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general so it was standing up against the concept of hate speech,

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because of the way it could spiral. Did you expect to be thrown out of

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the event? Was it what Did you expect to be thrown out of

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hoping for? I was assuming I would once I stood

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hoping for? I was assuming I would has asked people to leave before.

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What do you think should happen to Donald Trump with the debate in

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Parliament on Monday? At issue is the question of hate speech and what

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it causes. When I was sitting, before I stood up in protest, the

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people around me were nice, cordial, decent human beings, which I believe

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most people are, the problem is when you get into the mob mentality,

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most people are, the problem is when which he whipped people into this

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frenzy, it is almost which he whipped people into this

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different entity, people are not individuals, they behave in a way

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that is dangerous not just individuals, they behave in a way

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Muslims, but for all people individuals, they behave in a way

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up in that. Do you think it is individuals, they behave in a way

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ban him in the UK? I am sorry, I did not

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ban him in the UK? I am sorry, I did he should be banned from the UK? I

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think you should, it would send a message. He has to change his

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rhetoric. message. He has to change his

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speech. Why is that not a message. He has to change his

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a mob mentality, signing a petition calling for a ban, when you do not

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like him calling for a ban? calling for a ban, when you do not

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concept is what the results are, calling for a ban, when you do not

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when someone is standing there, and it was evident in the room I was in.

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The whipping up, calling people, even saying, they hate us, it is

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something, when you say they hate us, it is, they hate me, I am going

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to hate them back. That concept inspires people to do that in a

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group. You think he believes what he is saying? Is he tapping into

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something some Americans already thought? Do you think he is creating

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this feeling now? There is a group, and Islamophobic network in America

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that is active and well funded and is probably providing him with

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inaccurate information and probably feeding into some of the fears of

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folks in America. There is a group, a report called Fear Inc. If he gets

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the nomination for the presidency, what will happen? I don't know. I

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think Canada will have an immigration problem! I don't know. I

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really hope that once this starts to pan out people realise hate speech

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is not the way America wants to be represented to the world. Are you

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scared that will happen? Would it make you reconsider your position in

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the United States? I think if he does win, I think there will be a

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lot of work to do to combat any type of the things he is saying he wants

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to institute. I think there will be a lot of work that needs to be done

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and people need to stand up against him. You would like on Monday to

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hear UK legislators banned Donald Trump from coming here? That would

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be great. There is a resolution in South Carolina, representative wants

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to ban him from South Carolina. Thanks.

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The new film The Revenant - nominated yesterday for 12 Oscars -

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It's long, it's brutal, and, if you're looking for character

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But for those who appreciate extraordinarily skilful tracking

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shots and a vision of the wildnerness

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untouched, raw and majestic, then, yes, it's a piece of art.

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The film was shot with minumum artifice and maximum use of real

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It tells the story of an American fur trapper

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left for dead after an attack by a bear, and it stars

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I sat down with the director, Alejandro G Inarritu.

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To make a film like this requires a lot of work,

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Obviously, to be exposed 14 hours a day in exterior

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locations, in low temperatures, prepare all those landscapes.

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Logistically, it was a very challenging film

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We were shooting a film about these trappers struggling in those

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conditions, and we have to go through the same,

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because those scenarios were needed to express how nature can heal you,

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And those were, I will say the natural states of these men,

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as we are now used to concrete and city lights

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This is the toughest jungle, maybe for these men.

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Maybe if they were born now, "How do they survive here,

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I doubt it was a fair critic, because nobody can say that.

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It was one of those things that happened and I think maybe

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it is a metaphorical way to say that it was brutal.

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When a bear attacks a man, it is brutal.

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I went into every detail of how and why a bear does that,

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I want that the audience, in a way - that rarely ever in life

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For me, the film is a metaphor about how we, in our lives,

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For me, to deal with cancer is a bear attack, or to deal

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with divorce, or when a family member dies.

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You fall from the cliff, you are attacked by a bear.

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People in a way have to heal themselves spiritually,

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I think we die and live and are reborn many

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One thing that struck me very strongly was seeing these frontier

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pioneers of the 1800s, where the right to bear arms

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was literally a matter of life and death.

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I wonder if you approach what is now a very hot gun debate topic

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in the States with a different understanding of what it means

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I think in that time and in those territories, it made absolute sense.

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Those men can't live without a gun in that time.

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When you were going into those places, everything was a threat.

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More widely, how do you see America, the country you have now

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made your home, in an election year - it's going to be a big

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year for America, this - how do you feel as a Mexican,

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how do you feel about this country that you see, to some

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I really have been a privileged guy in the United States.

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I have been supported, and have had the privilege to work,

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and I am absolutely thankful for many things.

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That is not the same luck for many of my Mexican fellows.

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The fact they are invisible, the fact they have not been

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The fact that the ones who have been living here ten,

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15 years - families, that have built everything,

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That have contributed not just working, but culturally,

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with their smiles, their power, with a lot of things

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The fact they are invisible and are not recognised and have not

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been accepted and officially been citizens with the rights of anybody,

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it is something that really fills my heart with a lot of pain.

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Do you think it will get harder for Mexicans in America this year,

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given the comments by Donald Trump, etc?

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I think that, you know, in the story of the world,

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people do not get along easily, even in our families.

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On a 15-day trip you cannot get along with people you love.

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But that does not mean that you deport people,

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We have to get along in a way, especially when it

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I think there is a lack of understanding.

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When those comments are expressed irresponsibly, in such an ignorant

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way, to not understand the integrity and the dimension and the complexity

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of human beings, with the reason that makes them be there...

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Without compassion, without kindness.

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If we don't understand the other, who do you love, if you

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That's it for tonight, but in the week in which Britain

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lost one hero - David Bowie - and gained a new one -

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Tim Peake, the first British astronaut

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it seems fitting to leave you with the pictures that bring

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MISSION CONTROL: Tim, it's really cool seeing that

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It has explored all over the world, now

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# This is Major Tom to ground control.

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# And I'm floating in the most peculiar way.

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# And the stars look very different today.

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# For here am I sitting in a tin can.

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# Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing I can do #.

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