18/01/2016 Newsnight


Featuring a report on a woman who became engaged to a man who was in fact an undercover police officer. Actor Michael Sheen discusses steel plant job losses. With Emily Maitlis.

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Tonight in a Newsnight exclusive, we meet the woman accusing the Met


police of abusive psychological torture.


It was New Year, and we had a party with a few friends, and he asked me


to marry him. I said yes, and we rang my mum and told my mum.


of marriage without realising it was "a state-sponsored lie"


Port Talbot lays off another 750 jobs.


Is it time to admit we just can't compete on steel anymore and let


Local boy Michael Sheen and Business Minister Anna Soubry


And who's actually responsible for our schools?


The chief inspector says the whole system is patchwork,


Tonight we bring you the extraordinary tale of Andrea -


who says she is the victim of a state sponsored crime.


She became engaged to a man who, entirely unknown to her,


was for many years working undercover for the Police.


For more than two years he promised her a new life,


She had no idea what had gone wrong until she started to understand


that their whole relationship had been a sham.


Living a double life, and sent to infiltrate her group


of friends who were being watched, it seems, for their


It is not the first time this has happened within the Metropolitan


Police. At the end of last year Police


chiefs made an unreserved apology to women who were deceived


into similar relationships - and paid out substantial


compensation. They thought they'd drawn


a line under the abuse - but this investigation by Newsnight


and the Guardian shows that the problems for


the Met are far from over. And I felt very safe


with him at that point. He felt like a very


committed person. And he was single, as far


as I knew, at that point. And it seemed like we just kind


of met each other at the right time. The man who shared every aspect


of Andrea's life for two years was in fact an undercover officer


working for a secret unit Their entire relationship


was a state sanctioned lie. That chunk of life, of my life,


was completely fabricated. So I spent quite a large portion


of my time with someone who didn't This is the man who infiltrated


Andrea's life, Carlo Neri. He had a passport and a driver's


license in that name. For several months before


they started seeing each other in late 2002, he was


mixing in her circle We agreed to protect her identity,


such as the sensitivity of her story, but this


is her real voice. He really made himself very


useful within that group. Lots of people in London at that


time of that age, we were all in our 20s, early 30s,


we didn't have cars. But why target Andrea,


not her real name? She wasn't that politically active,


but some of her friends were. I've got no idea why I was chosen


other than to think that I was probably just quite a safe bet


to become respectable in those circles of trade


unionists and socialists. They had quite strong views


politically, and so did he. Andrea's story raises huge


questions about the effects The scale of deception


is shocking, and for what? Andrea has no criminal record,


and she was simply on the margins of a group of left-wing


political activists, mostly linked to


the Socialist Party. Andrea met Carlo Neri in September


2002 on this demonstration in London He was an official steward


responsible for the route, He was with a group of people that


I knew, one of whom was a friend He came across as being very


straightforward, very down to earth, But not the life and


soul of the party. He kind of stepped back


a little bit from the crowd. At the time, Andrea


was living in a rented flat She thought she had


found her life partner. We were pretty much together


from the day we met, and we were pretty much inseparable,


so he moved in with me within a few Yeah, he did frequently,


he was quite expressive. And I think he gave that impression,


people were drawn to him because he was kind


and gentle and caring. Because it was so serious,


Andrea introduced him When she attended her sister's


graduation, he was invited. When she went on a family holiday


to Whitby in Yorkshire, For the family, he was


the devoted future son-in-law. He seemed to gel with


them quite well. And he seemed to become very fond


of them very quickly. He kind of made an effort to be


in contact with them a lot. Back in London, Carlo Neri


was attending activist events with Andrea, including one


above this anarchist book Because Andrea was known to


the group, Carlo Neri was trusted. He became a regular


at this kind of event. And Carlo Neri was at the forefront


of political rallies, working with anti-fascists


and the Socialist Party. Quite often, he would be one


of the people who was stewarding. He'd often have to be there really


early, and be their right to the end, because


when you take that responsibility, you have got


quite a different role, and he was very much involved


in that aspect of it. Carlo was clearly


accepted by the group. His job as a locksmith could have


been extremely useful He quite often said people


could improve the security of where they lived,


and again, that seemed at the time With hindsight, it has a different


perspective, really. Because there's a huge amount


of people's locks that someone So, Carlo Neri had the keys


to activists' flats. We've discovered that he was


living a double life. Not only was he secretly reporting


back to Scotland Yard, what, we don't know,


but he had a wife and a son, Carlo used the actual names


of his real family in his cover story, presumably to


guard against slip-ups, He brought photos of the kind of key


people in his family into our house, and they were in our flat,


so I had pictures of his son, his sister, and they were actually


his real family members Obviously at the time


I didn't know any of this, but now I know they were real


people in his real life. And there were always reasons


why I didn't meet them. We know that his wife knew


he was a police officer. His occupation is written


on the birth certificate of his son. We don't know how much, if anything,


she knew about his undercover Carlo had to invent stories


to maintain both lives. How could he justify time away


from the Maida Vale flat and his live-in relationship


with Andrea to spend time First, he told Andrea that


a new job meant he would have Because of his interest in food,


his interest in Italian food, he then got a job working


for a company which did import and export of fine quality foods


and wines, so he then started to do Very convenient for Carlo,


because his sister did in fact run an Italian deli, so he could bring


home fine foods and wines. He also found an excuse to be away


every other weekend. He was probably away from home


for four or five nights And that would be due to work trips,


and every other weekend he would go Because as far as I was concerned,


I was going to spend my life with this man, and his life


was my life, and having that strong relationship with a child


is a really important thing. There were no access visits


to Cornwall, of course. His son was just down the road


in the family home. In terms of his relationship


with Andrea, it was going Just three months after they met,


he proposed to her, at home in the flat they shared


in Maida Vale. It was New Year, we had


a party with a few friends. It was a really nice gathering,


not a huge party. I said yes, and I rang my mum,


we told my mum. Carlo and Andrea spent the next year


together, but by Christmas 2003, but by Christmas 2003,


the Met and Carlo decided He then began the most


cynical of exit strategies, father was on his deathbed in Italy,


and he had to be there. He said he was really distressed,


and he had been missing for a week. He had been out of contact


for a week at that point. But a dying father was not dramatic


enough, it seems, for his exit strategy, and while in Italy,


Carlo said he had learned something truly terrible


about a female relative. He told me that she had been


sexually abused by their father. The stuff he was disclosing


was horrendous. And I think if you love someone


and you are with someone, you have massive amounts


of compassion for them. You do for anyone who's


experiencing that difficulty, but when you live with them,


and you love them, and you see them being in much pain, or so you think,


you want to support them. Andrea tried to save


the relationship, but Carlo seemed He moved out four months later,


taking everything, down to the last He went to live with other


activists in the group. Their relationship survived


for a while, but in November 2004, two years after they first met,


he sent her an e-mail saying And after that, he simply


disappeared. Newsnight now on BBC


Two with Kirsty Wark. Tonight, the environmental


protesters, the undercover cop That was that until activists


and journalists, Newsnight included, started investigating how the Met


infiltrated protest groups. Campaigners Peter Salmon


and Eveline Lubbers devised a survey list of 15 questions following this


early work to try to identify For example, did they


have cars and vans? Someone must have planned it maybe,


and that is what we want to know. It is also about the individual


and the undercover officers and the damage they did,


but someone thought this all out. The Met police are now under intense


pressure over the deployment In November, eight women


who unwittingly entered into intimate sexual relationships


with undercover police called The worst part of this is to recall


that actually when he was with me, The Met have settled seven


of their legal claims for damages. Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt


issued an abject apology. It has become apparent that some


officers acting undercover whilst seeking to infiltrate protest groups


entered into long-term intimate sexual relationships


with women which were abusive, I acknowledge that these


relationships were a violation of the women's human rights,


and abuse of police power I unreservedly apologise on behalf


of the Metropolitan Police Service. But if the Met thinks they have


drawn a line under this affair, In this new case, Andrea says


it is like being the victim This kind of level of emotional


abuse, I would say, or psychological abuse, was used to keep


the relationship on a trajectory It is psychological torture,


and it's very damaging. Andrea is now working


with the solicitor who has represented all the other eight


women who have taken legal action This is clearly a pattern


that they worked on. The other women who had


relationships all describe similar exit strategies, and in each


of those cases, they were harmful, and this is the one of the worst


I have heard in related the whole story of sexual abuse and domestic


violence that didn't exist, and I think that is


a sick thing to do. The Met refused to confirm


or deny whether Carlo Neri We know his true name,


and quite a few details about his life, including the fact


he infiltrated a number of demonstrations here


in central London. He has a highly distinctive surname,


and we decided not to broadcast this The Metropolitan Police issued


a statement to Newsnight. Assisted Commissioner Martin Hewitt


told us: Andrea has just been given core


participant status in the public enquiry into undercover


policing now under way. She has only just begun to process


the fact that two years of her life were effectively stolen by the state


after our investigation A decade on, and she's


rebuilt her life. Rather like the fiery blast


furness that powers it, the Tata steel plant in Port Talbot


has shown an insatiable appetite It's been losing a million pounds


a day - and has swallowed three hundred million pounds of investment


in the last four years. The latest brutal round of job cuts


there means some 750 will have to go - of more than 1000 jobs in steel


axed today across Britain. And that - for the Indian


company behind it, Tata - The reason for the difficulties


are not particularly new ones - but they're getting


harder to overcome. Slowing demand and a seemingless


endless supply of cheaper Chinese commodities - plus higher


energy costs here - have rendered Britain's


own steel making more costly So is there much that the government


can realistically do? Jobs in steel are vanishing fast.


The clouds of economic uncertainty claimed 750 livelihoods. The steel


plant will also see around 100 jobs go. The measures we take, we are


very confident we can turn this industry around. The job losses in


UK steelworks had their roots in the Chinese construction and


manufacturing boom that followed the economic crisis. Steel manufacturers


invested in expensive new plants in the hope of supplying this seemingly


limitless market but the extra demand never came. If we look at


this graph for how the capacity is being used, in the decade following


the year 2000 it was around 90%. Since 2009 it has been under 80% for


much of the time. For the last year, demand has been contracting. The


price has dropped from around ?600 per tonne to around ?200 per tonne.


Cheap money has meant loss-making steelworks are kept afloat in debt.


The MP whose constituency includes the Port Talbot plant says the UK


Government must take much of the blame. What we are asking for is a


level playing field. 80% of the Chinese steel sector is state-owned.


They are subsidised to the hilt by the Chinese government, in clear


violation of international trading rules. Why isn't the government


doing more to push the European Commission on that? There is


anti-dumping legislation in place. Why don't we use it? We have a


government with a lazy ideology that believes the market is right and


sets the price and the other is that they are cosying up to Beijing. It


is not that long ago since the Chancellor was touring Port Talbot.


He was there to publicise help for energy intensive industries like


steel-making. The government says it's done much more sense by


changing the rules. There is obviously this overproduction of


steel that is affecting countries around the world but the steel


industry have asked us for action on procuring and energy prices, we have


taken action. They want us to take action within the European Union and


we've done that as well but we will continue to work with them. I want


to have a strong British steel industry at the heart of our


manufacturing base. But the steel industry says other European


governments are doing far more. The Germans have spent 6.4 billion euros


to support energy intensive industries in terms of mitigating


the impact of carbon tax. We spent just ?100 million per year. That


will rise but it is just simply not enough. The worldwide steel glut is


now hitting China, where plants are closing and one boss says his


industry is bleeding cash. Some believe we in the UK are better


advised to look for new industries. In the long-term, it is not economic


to compete with places like China, where the Labour costs are lower.


The stability means it is better to invest. It is not a short-term


bridging gap or something that if we do it now we will be able to fix, in


a couple of years. They will never be economic again. Talk of new


industries and economic forces will be of little comfort to the workers


of Port Talbot and others who have lost their jobs. In a moment we will


hear from and a supreme but first we are joined by Michael Sheen, who


grew up in Port Tolbert and has made a film set there. This area is close


to your heart. What impact do you imagine this will have? It is


incredibly frightening in terms of the repercussions. It is not just


the jobs being cut at Tata steel, there is a domino effect for the


whole region. Other jobs that are dependent on what is going on at the


steelworks. Port Talbot is a town with a lot of challenges already. It


is not the most affluent town. The community is facing a lot of


difficulties. There was a report, there is already a lot of poverty


there and half the people experiencing the effects of poverty


are working households. If people in work are experiencing poverty then


who knows what will happen when the job cuts happen? It is a frightening


time for the town. It sounds terrible, but on an economic level,


this is losing ?1 million per day. Should the government continued to


hand out cash? This is part of a much bigger picture. The steel


industry, through the cuts we've seen in Redcar, and in Scotland,


this is not an industry on the up. It is going in one direction. The


government says that it is doing everything to help it but the


actions and the words don't fit together. I'm not an expert, I don't


know what is going on behind the scenes, I know there are a lot of


people who feel the government have a lot of positive words but the


actions are not backing that up or if they are it is happening too


slowly and into small way. Do you know what actions you would like to


see? Without asking the government to waste money on something that is


not working. I would like to see the government be honest, first of all,


about whether they want to support the steel industry or whether they


are letting it died by stealth. If they are allowing that to happen, if


they don't think there is a way to support the steel industry, if they


are dragging their heels over getting involved in the rules that


are there, then they need to put into place very quickly support for


the communities that have been affected in this way. If there is


nothing more for those communities then that is the biggest danger.


Let's put some of those point across. Do you accept that he is


asking for honesty? He has had that. He makes a very valid point that


this is a dreadful day, and so for example when we know, there is no


more steel in Redcar, absolutely, need to support that communities so


those workers can get into new jobs, no doubt the Welsh government will


come up with the same. We are being very honest about it. This has


happened in Redcar, in Port Tolbert. You have had the industries saying


the government was not alert to crisis warnings, they were asleep at


the wheel. We are on top of it. What happened up in Redcar was different.


That was a steelworks that had been losing ?600 million over 2.5, three


years. That was never going to happen again. It was gone. There


were huge problems with the owners. The difference with Tata steel is


quite profound. They have been trying to sell beer division based


in Scunthorpe for two years. We can to make sure we play a full part in


securing that deal. I pack Tata steel want to sell it. Is that


right? It was on the market two years ago in Scunthorpe. Turning to


Port Talbot, that is very different. They have already brought the


consultants in to say, what do we need to do to keep this place and


make sure it is sustainable? They brought the consultants in,


unfortunately 1000 jobs have already gone. What are you going to do, put


more money in? We cannot do that, the state aid rules do not allow it.


But what we can do, we have implemented four of the five


electricity prices, emissions directive, dumplings, I'm quite


happy to discuss what we've done on dumping, and the other thing we've


done, we've looked at the procurement rules. That is hugely


important. No other government in the European Union has changed the


procurement rules. There is a sense among British steel companies that


in many cases they are not even allowed to tender for jobs. At


Hinckley Point C at a nuclear plant. That is completely different. 60%


will be available. Unfortunately... I do not understand that. Some are


out to tender. Can I explain why there is a problem? 60% of the steel


should be available for British Steel however, 40% is no longer made


in this country. But, in terms of the billions of pounds, this is


really important, I want to tell you something that a Labour MP has said,


he talks about there not being opportunity to bid on nuclear


repairs and the justification they were told was EDF was providing for


underutilised French manufacturing. Is he wrong? I don't know. You said


that in October. You said you would look into it. Yellow mac people say


things but when you look at it. EDF acquired electric and he says it is


steel companies have not been able to tender. That's what he said.


They've not had the opportunity to bid. Can we talk about what the


government has been able to do? That is quite important, if the


government is promoting British steel or not. We've changed the


procurement rules, never been done before. There is now no excuse not


to buy British Steel. That's never been done before. We quantified the


amount of steel that we anticipate to be available in the billions of


pounds we are putting into the industry in this. We've quantified


it and shared those figures. You heard the Prime Minister, what he


said, we are absolutely determined that we will keep steel production


at both Scunthorpe and Port Talbot. The steel industry have asked you


not to give China market status. Are you going to? It is the decision of


the European Union. Should they have market economy status? In theory,


yes, but they need to prove that they will play by the rules. It is


really important, in the first time in July, for the first time we have


voted in favour of protectionist measures. That's never happened.


They were so shocked in the European Union... They said you were helping


China by giving it market status. The overall sense is your government


is more preoccupied with keeping China happy than keeping Wales


employed. That the spend. That is how it comes across. That is how it


comes across to you. That was Leanne Wood. I can assure you we have voted


in a way that has never happened before to protect steel. Most


importantly, the political will express by the Prime Minister to


make sure we continue to produce steel at Port Talbot and Scunthorpe.


That is the determination and we've delivered on four.


I am going to go back to Michael Sheen. Does this give you


confidence? There is the political will that they are committed to


steal in this country and import Tolbert specifically. Well, I think


the workforce in the steelworks and the larger community have been kind


of in the dark for a long time. As soon as it started to become clear


there were problems, people started to become desperate to find out what


the plan was and whether the Government had a strategy to sort


this out. I do think anyone in Port Talbot is feeling any clearer now.


And in the country itself, the country has suffered so much in the


Dinda era after the coal-mining, those communities in places like the


Rhondda but I have visited are still feeling decimated by what happened,


and I would hate to see that happen in Port Talbot as well. Is it worth


the Government spending money on a way of life, community? Of course,


that is why we put ?80 million into Teesside. But can I just say to


Michael, I went to Port Talbot for a day, and I know that that is where


you were born and bred, but what really strikes me is not just the


union representatives who are outstanding and genuinely represent


their members, but the level of honesty and realism amongst, mainly


men, amongst them, and I think they do get it. I was struck when I went


to Scunthorpe as well that the men really understood the real crisis


the steel industry was in. Michael Sheen. You might understand that you


are drowning, but that doesn't mean you don't want a helping hand. I


think it was the realism, and even in Redcar, which was a terrible


situation, it was this understanding that you can't argue that the price


of steel has almost halved, and that is the reality of it. And in which


case, I would love to hear what the Prime Minister and the Government


have got in store to help the people of Port Talbot if indeed the steel


industry is on decline. It is a Welsh government decision. The door


is open, we will always help. Thank you both very much indeed.


Who is responsible for the oversight of schools


when some are academies under schools commissioners


and others the responsibility of local authorities?


The question lies at the heart of what Ofsted Chief Michael Wilshaw


said is going wrong in the schools system, which he described


as confusing and ill-defined in a speech today.


He also believes the country cannot continue to "fail half its future"


by refusing to sort out the quality of vocational training that many


young people who chose less academic courses


We will hear from so Michael in a minute.


Sir Michael Wilshaw, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector,


has issued a call to arms to improve English


education, that it may be one the Government doesn't actually


Sir Michael's responding to a new report by CentreForum,


an education thinktank, which explains how the gap


between poorer children and the rest grows whilst they are at school.


As they start school, the gap averages


By the time they're 11, it's nine months.


And at 16, it reaches almost 20 months, more than a year


I think the gap between young people from disadvantaged and advantaged


backgrounds is one of the big scars on the face of English education.


We've made some good progress in primary education in reducing


the gap recently, but it's far too wide


in secondary education, and it goes on widening,


that gap, every year of a youngster's time in education,


and that can't be something that we are


Now, Sir Michael's proposals to address this cut


For example, he says he wants powerful political figures to feel


responsible to local people for the performance


But the Government has a policy of encouraging local authority


schools to become academies, and that in part is intended


to erode the role of local politicians in schooling.


The school system is built on an army of volunteer school


He says they need a better skill set.


In fact, in what would be a potentially expensive


move, he said we should consider paying them


We know that leadership is a crucial ingredient in high-quality


schools, and we have got some fantastic schools here in places


The problem is, how do we get that strong leadership


right throughout the country when we know from Ofsted reports


that it is not there in many parts of the


country outside London and the south-east?


Sir Michael also worries about children drifting into weak


vocational training, so he has called for more university


technical colleges, schools that start at 14


and prepare pupils for a specific trade.


And again, this won't be much loved in Whitehall where these


expensive technical schools have few fans.


So Sir Michael says we need better school leadership,


better options for children who want a vocational path and better school


You certainly can't say that he lacks ambition.


Sir Michael Wilshaw, the Chief Inspector of Schools


You paint a pretty grim picture in your report today -


underperfoming schools, north south divide, school leavers


unprepared for jobs, behaviour problems, this


You're approaching the end of your term.


I am passionate about raising standards in all of our schools. In


our last annual report, we said primary schools across the country


are doing very well indeed, and you just had a piece about the closure


of steelworks in south Wales, in Redcar, where the steelworks closed


recently, an area of deprivation and a high degree of poverty, the


primary schools there are doing phenomenally well, above the


national average, but the secondary schools are failing, and that has


been replicated across the country, particularly in the Midlands and


particularly in the north. London is doing very well, as are secondary


schools in the south-east. And if we are going to improve our secondary


school performance, accountability and leadership are key things that


will do that. Something like the Northern Powerhouse, presumably


Biggins oration by the government to put them north of the heart of what


it is doing industrially, will that happen? Yes, and I support what the


Prime Minister Chancellor want to do, but education has to be at the


heart of that, and if you have too many failing secondary schools in


the North and Midlands, we will not achieve that powerhouse. One in


three secondary schools in the Midlands and North are not achieving


well. In the 16 local authorities, less than 60% of secondary schools


are good or excellent, one third of those in the North. We need good


leadership and clarity of the accountability system. You have a


teacher recruitment crisis. Where has that gone wrong? There has never


been a time when I have been teaching, and I have been a


headteacher long time in London, there has never been a time when it


has been good. It is particularly problematic now because the economy


is improving and graduates have more choice of the sort of jobs that they


can go into. But there is a problem, and what we need to do as a nation


is to sell teaching much more proactively and positively than we


have done up to now. Teaching is a great job. Leading teachers is a


great job. We hear so much negativity about teaching. And I get


really frustrated when I hear that, because ice really enjoyed my life


as a teacher, I thoroughly enjoyed my life is ahead, and you talk to


lots of teachers and head teachers, they enjoy it. We don't sell


teaching as well as we should. I'm thinking of Nicky Morgan calling


Michael Gove the former Education Secretary despised and divisive. Do


you agree with that? I had a lot of time for Michael Gove. He may have


made mistakes here there, but he was passionate about raising standards


and raising standards for poor children, and I think he has been


unfairly treated. The message he sent was if you want standards to


improve, you have got to give power and authority and freedom to the


people who really matter, the people on the front line, the people in the


classrooms. Take the system away from bureaucrats and give it to


people who can really raise standards, people in the classrooms


and corridors and playgrounds. I wanted to ask you about the front


story of the Daily Telegraph, David Cameron will back the Muslim Veil


plan. He says the Prime Minister will give backing to public


authorities in terms of schools, the banning of the veil in schools.


Would you back that? Si yes, I would. The Prime Minister's view


that we have got to make sure that our liberal values, our liberal


Western values are protected, people need to listen to that, and the


Muslim community need to listen to it as well. We have come a long way


in our society to ensure that we have equality for women and that


they are treated fairly. We mustn't go backwards.


So if it is down to individual organisations to choose to stop


Muslim women from wearing the veil, you would recommend it? We would


support that, particularly if it is stopping good communication in the


classroom and lecture hall. And you think it is? Possibly. My inspectors


occasionally see issues with communication. Sir Michael Wilshaw,


thank you for coming in.


Featuring a report on a woman who became engaged to a man who was in fact an undercover police officer. Actor Michael Sheen discusses steel plant job losses. The chief inspector of schools flags up some serious problems. Presented by Emily Maitlis.

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