In-depth investigation and analysis with Kirsty Wark, including an exclusive interview with the mother of one of the Columbine killers and updates on Syria.
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Tonight an exclusive UK TV interview with the mother of the Columbine
killer who breaks her seventeen year silence.
I remember at that point thinking if Dylan is really doing this,
At that moment it was when I really prayed for him to die.
And what would she say to the families of the dead
I have this feeling of wanting to say over and over again,
And I know that such a thing is so completely inadequate.
But I don't know what else to say, except, I'm sorry.
Also tonight we reveal and see evidence that Labour is telling
members not to hold debates about leaving Europe,
I think they shouldn't be nervous of having the debate -
if they have a strong case let's hear it.
We have got our case and we want to put it.
And veteran gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell on why people should
be allowed to say Transwomen aren't real women.
And transactivist Paris Lees on why they shouldn't.
What is it like to know that your own son planned
15 people died and 24 others were wounded
in the Columbine High School tragedy in 1999.
It was the first mass shooting of the 24-hour news era and pictures
were beamed live from helicopters circling the school,
and students trapped inside were interviewed live on air.
The two killers, 17-year-old Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris
who was eighteen, eventually killed themselves in the school library.
In the aftermath the parents of the killers were excoriated.
For seventeen years Dylan Klebold's mother kept her silence trying
to understand what drove her 17-year-old son to kill
Now she has written a book about it, A Mother's Reckoning,
donating her profits to mental health charities, because one
of the many things she didn't know about her son was
This is Sue Klebold's only British television interview.
You may find some of the scenes disturbing.
Columbine High School lies 50 miles south of Denver in the shadow
On the 20th of April 1999 its name became infamous around the world
when two students, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, calmly
drove their cars, packed with explosives, guns,
parking lot and set about destroying the school.
This wasn't a moment of madness, it was a cold-blooded massacre.
The suburban high school turned into a killing field.
I was screaming, and crying, I was telling them not to shoot me.
So he shot the girl, he shot her in the head
One by one they extracted the dead and injured from the school.
This teenager was rescued from an upstairs classroom.
I have been a SWAT officer since 1980 and this was clearly
the most devastating and dramatic scene that I have ever seen.
And began -- tell me how the day began. It was still dark. I heard
Dylan thundering down the stairs in his boots. I was startled because it
was too early for him to be up. I opened my bedroom door and I yelled,
Dylan? He was at the front door already. I couldn't see him but all
I heard him say was goodbye, then he slammed the door and left. I was
very concerned. I woke my husband and said something is bothering him.
Would you talk to him later? My husband said I will be home all day,
I will talk to him when he gets home. And then what happened? About
noon I was getting ready to go to a meeting. I worked for the college
system. I had left my desk and came back and the message light was
flashing on my telephone. I thought I better listen to it. I picked up
the phone and listened and it was my husband, this voice, and he sounded
horribly upset. His voice was cracking. He could hardly breathe.
And he said, listen to the television, something horrible is
happening at school. It was such a day of confusion. Police came to our
home. We were asked to leave our home. We had to sit outside. We sat
on the ground all day. At that stage you must have known that it was more
likely your son was involved in the shooting, rather than someone who
was shot. We heard through the window. The television was on. We
heard that 25 people were dead. At that point I remembered thinking, if
Dylan is really doing this, he must stop. And in that moment I prayed
for him to die. I thought something has got to stop this. Whatever it is
that is going on. It took me a very long time to believe, months, to
believe that my son was actually responsible for killing and hurting
people. Up until that time I believe I was living in an extreme state of
denial. He was there, but he didn't really kill anybody, or, he wasn't
what they were saying. That it was Eric? Yes, that it was Eric. Dylan
Klebold lived in this house for almost a decade. In 1997 Dylan
Klebold and Eric Harris were caught stealing. It hit the family hard.
Dylan Became withdrawn and hostile but still took part of family
events, held down a part-time job, he went to the school prom three
days before the massacre. But what his parents didn't know was that
Dylan Klebold has been suicidal for two years. He poured all of his rage
and upset into diaries and journals that were only handed to the family
by the police almost two years after the killing. What they were also
unaware of was that Dylan had hidden a sawn off shotgun and ammunition in
his bedroom. Police later said the killers had prepared 99 home-made
explosive devices for use in the attack. It must have been a strange
thing to compute, to know that between them Dylan and Eric Harris
were going to blow up the whole school. That was one of the most
difficult moments of this entire process. I had to go through so many
phases of accessing this, and accepting, OK, they were there, OK,
they hurt people, it was purposeful, yes, it was planned, it wasn't
impulsive. Then at the police report to finally learned that their plan
has been to kill everybody in the school but their plan failed. When I
thought of that, and thought of the magnitude, I really did not think I
was going to live through it. You come in the book, sometimes
described him as withdrawn and monosyllabic, and that he took
failure heart. Whether certain signs that you missed? -- failure hard. In
his junior year several things happened. He got arrested, he got in
trouble at school, he has scratched a locker at school... I did not
recognise that those things meant there was a potential life and death
situation. I didn't recognise that these were possible signs of a
mental condition. According to FBI records there have
been 50 mass murders, or attempted mass murders, in schools in America
since Columbine. Sue Klebold made one stipulation before our
interview, that we would not show the CCTV pictures of the boys in the
school during the massacre. For fear of copycat attacks.
You were asked to go to the Sheriff's office six months after
the massacre to be showing videos. Tell me about that. It was a
collection of the two of them talking about what they were going
to do. Horribly violent and hateful... I remember when I saw
that I actually stood up. I thought I was going to be ill. It was such a
shock. The person I was seeing on that film wasn't anybody I could
recognise. It wasn't Dylan. At that point did you have to face up to the
fact that he was equally responsible for Columbine? That's it. That was
the moment. That was the day in which I learnt that he was not an
innocent bystander who happened to get involved. This wasn't an
impulsive act. He prepared for this for a long period of time. And that
he was equally involved in killing people, and saying horrible things
to people before they died. In the aftermath of the massacre you had
support from friends and co-workers, but you also had a substantial
firestorm coming at you. What sort of things happened? I remember being
in a grocery store and paying with a cheque. The checker recognised my
name and asked me if I knew him. I said yes, he was my son, and then
she started saying in a very loud voice, you know, this was the work
of Satan, and just shouting at me. I am trying to bag my groceries and go
out. I would turn on the radio and hear myself being discussed, and
called disgusting. These were just things that happened. It created a
feeling, always, of being watched, being judged. This instant decision
from people who didn't know. People want to believe that it is something
as simple as bad parenting. Because it is a comforting fort. Because
nobody wants to believe that anything like this can happen to us.
-- comforting thought. I think it made people feel safer to believe
that we were all of the things they wished we were, or perceived us to
be, or imprinted on us, because then they could feel, well, this will not
happen to me because I am not like that. You also wrote to the victims'
families. I did, yes. A father wrote back to us about a year later, for
which I was extremely grateful. He wanted to meet with us. It was
profoundly comforting to me. It meant so much to me. I received a
letter from the sister of one of the girls who had been shot. And then
one of the mothers of the girls who had been killed also reached out and
wanted to meet with me. Those things meant so much to me. I couldn't... I
couldn't even begin to explain how it felt so wonderful to have them be
gracious enough, and brave enough to do that.
Sue Klebold now believes her son's suicidal ideas were a significant
factor in the Columbine massacre. Since 1999 she has become
increasingly involved in the issue of the suicide prevention.
You say in the book, I shall listen more and lecture less. In all the
years since I lost Dylan, I wish I had just said, you feel that way,
tell me about it some more, tell me about how you feel. I think I had a
tendency more to lecture, tell him what to do, to do what parents do. I
just wished I had talked much less. I read somewhere that you had worn a
piece of his clothing. You held onto things. I did wear his clothes for a
long time. My husband and I both did. It was just a feeling of
wanting him a little bit close. -- closer.
The tragedy, which was at the time the worst school shooting in
American history, cast a long shadow. Families were shattered.
Sons and daughters dead. One teacher murdered as he tried to protect
students. And those who were shocked that they and survived some of them
living with the most horrific wounds.
Have you been to the memorial? I have. What happened when he went
there? I have been quite a few times. What I do is I sit there and
in my head I talk to the kids, and the teacher who was there, without
the rest of the world, without parents, lawyers, community... I
just want them to know that I am thinking of them. And I will always
think of them. Do you want to take a moment? I am
OK. You talk a lot in the book about faith. Do you still believe in God?
Not in the same way that I did before. But I wonder if you had
religion before in a different way, whether you believe there is a God.
I don't know, I go back and forth. The one thing I have hoped for again
and again is that in some moment in this present life, or in the
position or in the future like I will see him again. I am hoping I
will see him again. The moment you believe in good and evil, you might
be in a different place. I know. A lot of people will read this book in
different ways because it means a lot to different groups, so it will
mean a lot to the victims' families, to the survivors, some of whom are
still in a wheelchair. What would you say to them? What do you say to
them now? I have this feeling of wanting to say over and over again I
am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry. I know that such a thing is so
completely inadequate. But I don't know what else to say besides I am
sorry. I am just so sorry for what Dylan did. Thank you very much.
And you can see the full-length version of that interview
with Susan Klebold on a special edition of Our World on the BBC
News Channel this Saturday and Sunday at 9.30pm.
At the start of the week which may well define Britain's chances
of staying in Europe or leaving it, and as David Cameron
and Francois Hollande have a hastily arranged meeting in Paris tonight
ahead of Thursday's Brussels summit, the European Council President sent
Risk of break up is real as UK in EU negotiations very fragile.
"Fragile" is the word that could be applied to many elements of this
Both the Government and the opposition are divided,
and as our Political Editor David Grossman found out Labour officials
have been attempting to keep a lid on their party's Eurosceptics.
Labour used to be Britain's most Eurosceptic party.
Here is Labour leader Hugh Gaitskell issuing dire warnings about joining
We must be clear about this. It does mean if this is an idea the end of
Britain as an independent nation state. I make no apology about
repeating it, the end of 1000 years of history. You might say, it ends,
but it is a decision that needs care and thought.
I think it is anti-democratic, it is anti-socialist
Its employment rate is high and its growth rate is low
and looking at Southern Europe it has done terrible damage
We have been on a long journey with this.
Of course in 1983 famously we campaigned to pull out
of the European Union and that helped to contribute to our most
disastrous election result for a century.
Our pivotal moment was Jacques Delors's speech to the TUC
Congress in 1988 when he laid out the vision of a social Europe.
Bruised from their third election defeat the labour movement became
enthusiastic pro-Europeans almost overnight as a way of using Brussels
to fight for the rights of working people.
It is no secret that many of us have been sceptical about the benefits
Colleagues, in the short term we have not a cat in hell's chance
The only card game in town at the moment is in a town called
Brussels and it is a game of poker where we have got to learn the rules
By the mid-90s Labour had its most Euro enthusiastic leader ever,
but many particularly on the left were unconvinced.
They saw the EU as profoundly anti-democratic.
We have European bureaucracy totally unaccountable to anybody. The powers
have gone from national parliaments and they have gone to the commission
and the Council of ministers and these are serious matters.
Jeremy Corbyn did come down in favour of Britain's EU membership.
There would have been mass resignations and rebellion
I certainly let him know my view and this was a clear choice
The word "maybe" is not on the ballot paper as I have always
But I would give Jeremy Corbyn credit for being clear,
not just on one occasion, but on many occasions since he took
over the leadership, that he is going to campaign to stay
But is the Labour Party trying to stifle debate on the referendum?
Newsnight has obtained an e-mail from the party's general secretary
Ian McNicol warning constituency parties that they should not
be organising debates on whether to stay in the EU or not,
but instead get fully behind the party's policy of
The e-mail was sent to a local party officer who had enquired
about organising an in-out referendum debate.
The answer they received was a forwarded message
from Ian McNicol, the party's general secretary, which pointed out
that party conference had voted unanimously to support remaining
Rather than having a debate, the e-mail said, on whether to
support Britain's EU membership constituency Labour parties should
be campaigning to keep Britain in the European Union in line
with Labour's values and labour policy.
I think they should not be nervous about having the debate.
If they have got a strong case, let's hear it.
We have got our case and we want to put it.
We asked the Labour Party to comment on the e-mail.
They denied banning Labour leave speakers, but said it was right that
all official Labour events and meetings focused
on their campaign to stake in the EU.
With me now is John Mills, businessman and Labour donor
who will lead the Vote Leave campaign and from Birmingham
the Labour MP Emma Reynolds, who is a member of the cross party
Good evening. What is your reaction to the idea that the general
secretary is saying you should not be having any debates, you should
only be campaigning for a yes vote? That is very unfortunate. There are
a large number of Labour members who used to the Labour who have gone off
to Ukip and the Conservatives and they have a different view from the
Labour Party nationally. They want to hear the arguments on both sides.
That does not stop you voting to stay in it that is the way you think
the argument goes, but it is not right that the arguments for coming
out should not be heard. They should be. Surely you cannot be happy with
a directive that says you should not have a debate? I think the secretary
general was right to say that we have had that debate at our party
conference and we unanimously agreed on a motion put forward by the GMB
trade union that we should campaign as a party to stay in the European
Union. Jeremy Corbyn has been clear about that as well. We have only got
until the 23rd of June to make that case. I think it is right the party
leadership is saying to party members, the vast majority of whom
are pro-European, let's get on with it and get on with the debate. Hang
on. What John Mills was saying just now, electoral damage has been done
to you in 40 for Labour seats with Ukip finishing second. It suggests
there are some Labour voters who are Eurosceptic. Are you saying they are
out in the cold? No, what I am saying... You are. We are taking a
decision that we are pro-European and that has been the case for
decades. We should have a discussion with Labour voters about these
issues, of course we should. Can I be clear? You as an MP in your
constituency could not have a debate that had people who said leave on
the platform with you? That is the directive, you would not have that
debate? I have had lots of debate with people on the other side of the
argument, but the priority for me as a Labour MP is to go and talk to my
constituents about the decision they will have to make possibly as early
as June. That is my priority, but that is not to say I am not
debating. I did a debate last week with a Eurosceptic. Of course those
debates will keep happening, but the focus in the Labour Party is to make
the case to remain in the union, based on our values. This is a
whipped vote. There is nothing freak about this, there is no suspension
of the whip. Do you believe there should be a suspension? The Labour
Party has agreed that Labour Party members can act on either side and
come out if they want to stay in, so the Labour Party is not stopping
people. Let's talk about the Shadow Cabinet, are there people who want
out in the Shadow cabinet? Yes, there are people sympathetic to
coming out. I dead people in there now? Yes, several. Not vast numbers,
but several. They are stopped by Cabinet responsibility from
advocating coming out, and that I understand. But outside the Cabinet,
as in 1975, people should be allowed to canvas and support staying out
and staying in? Time is of the essence and it looks like there will
be a referendum vote in June. Will we see Shadow Cabinet people coming
out and supporting leading? I am not sure what will happen to be honest.
It may well be that Cabinet responsibility will stop that
happening. But that should not stop other people in the Labour Party,
including a substantial minority, from being allowed to express their
views. Why do you think we are not seen so much of Jeremy Corbyn
talking about Europe at all. It has been left at Alan Johnson, yet it is
one of the most important thing we are discussing in decades and Jeremy
Corbyn is not leading from the front. This is important. Jeremy
Corbyn and the entire Shadow Cabinet has signed up to a pro-European
agreement with MPs in Parliament and over 90% of our MPs have signed up
to that group. There are only a small number of MPs who want us to
come out. The vast majority, the consensus, is we should campaign to
stay in the EU. Jeremy Corbyn was very clear from the start of his
leadership that is a party which he is leading we will be campaigning to
stay in the European Union and he has been clear and consistent on
that point. I wonder how many speeches he has made in the last few
weeks about the importance of staying in Europe. He has made a
number of speeches in Parliament because he has had to respond to the
Prime Minister who has come back from a number of summits. But they
are both on the same side. How do you think Jeremy Corbyn is doing in
all this? He is under very substantial constraints because of
Cabinet responsibility. Whether that is where his heart lies is another
matter. Thank you all very much. The United Nations say that almost
50 people have been killed in missile attacks on hospitals
and schools in Syria, which it called a blatant violation
of international law. Two of the hospitals that
were hit were in Idlib, where rebels have taken control
of the province and where Syrian and Russian fighter jets
have been in operation. One target was a field
hospital supported by MSF, and the organisation
says its destruction will deprive At the Munich conferecne
at the weekend, the Russian Prime Minister Dimitri Medvedev denied
Russian planes had killed civilians but activists have blamed Russia
for all three attacks. I'm joined now by Andre Heller
Perache, Head of Programs at Medecins Sans Frontieres UK
who has been monitoring Good evening. What is the latest on
these attacks in Syria? From the information we have got today, there
are rescue operations to find more survivors and it has stopped with
nightfall. Seven people were confirmed dead within the hospital,
including patients and personnel. There are eight still missing
presumed dead that we are aware of and beyond that there are additional
patients who were in the hospital. You are pretty sure you were
targeted rather than it being collateral damage? Effectively it
was direct targeting and by that I mean there were successive air
strikes on the same location, the hospital, totally destroy it in
multiple waves of attacks over the course of 90 minutes. If it was a
bomb hitting that then close by, that discussion can be had, but this
was targeted repeatedly. It is not something one can write off saying
it is an unfortunate event. It is too bad this happened. It is beyond
that. What is the policy now of announcing where you are? It is a
complicated question, particularly in Syria. Over the course of this
conflict there have been multiple instances, it has been a feature of
this conflict, that humanitarian structures as well as protected
human infrastructure has been repeatedly targeted deliberately,
like schools, marketplaces, grain silos, clinics, bakeries. They all
have signage. This structure did not have signage on the outside. What I
am saying is the other ones. Prior to this we have known that they were
hospitals, but in this case we do not openly advertise this is a
hospital? Over 240 hospitals have been
destroyed. One cannot say that this is an identification error of the
structure. This hospital had been relocated from its previous location
where it had been targeted and struck three times. People are
afraid to say they are doing medical work. If you are an aid worker
within Syria right now, and we are talking about Syrians by and large,
they know the risks. They know they can be a target. Aid has been turned
into a target, as well. We talk about the number of hospitals, an
astonishing amount have been targeted and destroyed, what is the
impact on health care more broadly in Syria? I have read some
statistics which says 60% of the general public hospitals within
Syria have been destroyed since the beginning of this conflict. In this
particular instance we are talking about a small hospital with two
operating theatres, an emergency room, and an outpatient department.
They have seen 5500 external cases per month. 1100 emergency cases per
month. You talk about the number of lives being saved. But when you look
at the scale of the conflict, Medecins Sans Frontieres is
supporting a large amount of structures within the country, but
there are millions of people who have been displaced. Millions of
people along the borders trying to escape. The suffering is
unimaginable right now. Aleppo was referred to at the weekend as
Stalingrad. We have been doing everything in our power to support
as many networks as possible. Aid workers, doctors, in the suburbs of
Damascus, this year alone the kinds of risks these people are taking
means 17 separate medical structures have been hit in 2016 and it is only
mid February. This is the fifth structure which has been supported
by some measure by Medecins Sans Frontieres which has been hit alone.
The pressure on people is unbelievable. And that pressure
continues to grow with time. Things are just getting worse. Thank you
very much. A debate on the topic
of "Re-Radicalising Queers" is not taking place at Canterbury Christ
Church University tonight, because one of the participants
didn't want to share a platform So, is Peter Tatchell
guilty by association, or should we applaud student
activitists for doing what they can You do not witness the suffering of
lesbian and gay people. Racist and transphobe are not words that
normally spring to mind when we talk about Peter Tatchell. Your long
history of anti-Semitism, homophobia, and attacks on the
Muslim community... Doctor Greer had offended and insulted some activists
when she expressed her view that transwomen are not women simply by
their desire to be thought of as such.
So, is Peter Tatchell guilty by association,
or should we applaud student activitists for doing what they can
I'm joined by Peter Tatchell and Paris Lees.
Did you get flak at the debate? It was a debate about the future of
LGBT politics. I am sad she did not attend. I would have welcomed an
exchange. She has every right to do this. What I object to is the fact
she labelled me a racist and a transphobe. And when asked to
justify her views she failed to do so. There is the evidence. She
didn't offer evidence even when asked. What has been the impact on
you? We asked the NUS to come on tonight and they wouldn't. It is not
just that you didn't want -- it isn't that she did not want just due
to take part, but she didn't want others to take part, as well. I
respect her. But this is not about me. This is about the rights of
black and ethnic minority background people, and the rights of trans
people. I have constantly criticised those feminist who disrespect
transit people and oppose their human rights. I constantly challenge
those who deny the human rights of black and Asian people and will
continue to do so. Paris Lees, this debate was about gay rights tonight,
it was nothing to do with the rights of trans people. We did defend trans
people. So what is the problem with somebody taking part in a debate
with Peter? I would like to say that Peter Tatchell is not a transphobe
in my opinion. I think it is ludicrous to suggest that. He is a
national treasure as far as I am concerned and one of the few people
who spoke up for transgender rights on a public platform a few years ago
and nobody was talking about this. I'm very grateful to him for that. I
think there is a lot of anger towards Peter because of signing
that letter. Not just signing it, but maybe your reaction afterwards
wasn't that helpful. I think, you know, to call him a transphobe is a
little over the top, but I think it is somebody getting carried away. To
come to the issue of this, I think it is unfortunate Peter has been
involved in this debate. But more broadly, yes I think it is right
that people should not engage with transphobe O'. I don't think Peter
is one of those people, but for some people there is no point speaking to
them. -- transphobes. You take people on in order to have that
debate and you win it when you are fighting for the rights of people.
There is also an argument that marginalised people have had to
explain themselves over and over again. There are certain people who
are just not willing to engage in debate. They have heard the
arguments. That is a different kettle of fish from Peter. This
person has made personal attacks on individual trans people before. They
have argued for conversion therapy, which has proved to be very
dangerous. Those people should not be given platforms to air their
prejudices. I understand the anger. Given the scale of violence towards
trans people, the discrimination, all of the medical issues, the
hurdles they have to go through the transition, and all of those kinds
of issues... We need to be talking about that. But I also think, in my
view, the best way to defeat bigoted prejudiced ideas is to take on a
challenge by taking on people who say it. That is why I have challenge
Germaine Greer and many others. I did a debate last year against
Islamist extremists. I think I demolished them. That was far more
effective than if I had stayed away and they were allowed to say
whatever they wanted. But you can understand why people feel they
don't have a power and they withdraw. Absolutely. I respect
that. And I'm really sorry if trans people felt offended by me taking
that stand and signing that letter. My intention was never to give
endorsement to Germaine Greer or any other feminist who opposes trans
rights. Those people are wrong. They are deniers of human rights. They
are on the wrong side of history. I stand with the trans community for
their writes, acceptance, and dignity. -- rights. The argument is
whether their views should be aired. You believe that these issues should
be taken on and argued down. Exactly. I am lucky because I have a
lot of experience... With a way to get experience is to do it. Others
may not have that experience, and are therefore in a difficult
position. Germaine Greer has been going around saying the most
disgusting, dehumanising things about trans people for decades.
Completely unchallenged. Lauded in the media. You didn't have trans
people on this show 15, 20 years ago, maybe not even five years ago.
You are only aware of us because of social media. We had a number of big
stories, transgender rights, trans people in prisons. We have made
ourselves known, that we are visible, but nobody was challenging
Germaine Greer. When I was in University six years ago I
experienced family rejection, street harassment, I didn't blend in when I
first transition. I was being messed about by the NHS. I faced
discrimination at work. I had mental health issues. Had I known Germaine
Greer was coming to my university, because of all the horrible things
she said about trans people, because, let's face it, if Nick
Griffin goes anywhere he is a known racist and is challenged. But if
Germaine Greer is going somewhere, everybody gets excited about it. I
think that would be enough to tip me over the edge and I'm not a weak
person. It doesn't happen in a vacuum. Do you think there has been
a generational change, and what is acceptable and unacceptable is
different? And maybe the younger activists are even more successful.
Maybe that's true. But I think that is a negative move. I understand why
they say what they say. I have sympathy for those in the NUS when
they wanted to defend the weak and the marginal. That is an honourable
position to take. But I think they are wrong to try and close down
debate, or exclude people, who they disagree with. The best way to
challenge bigot is by taking them on, refuting their arguments,
providing counter evidence, because that, I think, is the way to win
hearts and minds. If we don't convince the bigots, at least we
will convince the wider public. I think free speech has been expanded
for people who never previously had a voice. You are nobody these days
if you haven't been on a platform. Thank you both.
who was at the Welsh open and rolling towards that holy
Then he found out what the prize money was.
He has just had a look at me in the commentary box and I have put
Sometimes he doesn't try if it is not enough.
He didn't look too impressed when you said it was only
See he is not even going for one now.
If they are going to pay you ten grand, it's worth a bit
In-depth investigation and analysis with Kirsty Wark, including an exclusive interview with the mother of one of the Columbine killers and updates on Syria. The team also ask if Labour are scared of Europe debate, and Peter Tatchell discusses free speech.