16/02/2016 Newsnight


16/02/2016

Can the EU Parliament wreck the PM's deal? Evan Davis also takes a look inside Venezuela's collapsing economy and at the upcoming Botticeli exhibition at the Courtauld Gallery.


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Answer: when it's a vital British renegotiation with the rest of

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the EU, and the European Parliament reminds us all late in the day,

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We'll ask whether the renegotiation is for life,

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To be clear, no government can go to the parliament and say this is our

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proposal, can you give us a guarantee about the result. In a

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democracy that isn't possible. We'll ask whether

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the renegotiation is for life, Also tonight, Zac on the attack:

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the Tory candidate for London mayor, Zac Goldsmith on his

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suitability for the job. And John Sweeney on the economic

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crisis in Venezuela. But now he's dead and the poor

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living there in the Barrios, have turned against

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the movement he created. My goodness, we've been talking

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about the EU renegotiation for months now and that particular

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drama grinds slowly But a huge potential problem has

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loomed into It's that frustrating thing about the EU, that

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no-one is quite in charge, so can we know what the rules are,

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even if we agree them? There are two issues:

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the European Court of Justice may say it's incompatible

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with our treaty obligations, and the European Parliament may say

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they don't want to enact the bits Is this an important "oops",

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or a silly distraction? David Cameron has shaken a lot of

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hands and eaten a lot of dinners all in the name of renegotiating

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Britain's relationship with the EU. And in the next few days he will

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hope he can get written's new terms of membership signed off by the

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other member states. -- Coryton's. David Cameron, should all go to

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plan, should end up with a meeting here. This is Downing Street and on

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Friday if he gets a deal he will be holding a cabinet and that will mark

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the official start of the referendum campaign. After that ministers will

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be able to campaign for Brexit if they wish. First, the Prime Minister

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needs to get a deal from Europe. Some are sympathetic to David

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Cameron think he will overcome the hurdles to the deal. It is about

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ensuring that non-Eurozone countries cannot be disseminated against by

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the Eurozone countries. A mechanism for that hasn't yet been decided. I

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think certain Eurozone countries are afraid the UK might be given to Matt

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and have effectively what counts as a veto on Eurozone issues. -- too

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much. Another European meeting will be happening at the same time. A

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pro-exit campaign group, Grassroots Out, will be campaigning. They and

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others will argue that the deal David Cameron will bring back will

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be incomplete because a huge chunk of it will need the approval of the

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European Parliament. Something it will not get until after any

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referendum. Good morning. The president of the European

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Parliament, meeting the Prime Minister here, wasn't very helpful

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today. I encourage British people to vote on the basis of the outcome of

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Thursday to vote yes. Then we start procedure, legislative procedure,

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between clarify and help to solve the problems addressed by the frame

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which will be accepted on Thursday. I hope accepted on Thursday. Certain

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things still need to pass through the European Parliament. Most

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notably is the emergency brake on migrant' accessed in work welfare.

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But certain things are in place immediately. Red cards for national

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parliament to block EU legislation where it is unwanted. And also the

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understanding that the UK is not bound to an ever closer union. It is

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the first time it has an opt out of this. Lots of potential leave voters

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migration is a big issue. They would obviously be unnerved if the

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European Parliament words and pick the migration part of this package.

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Do we think it is likely the MEPs do that? I think the president of the

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European Parliament has said that first of all it will be a speedy

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process. One that will be studied carefully. I think the other

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countries have agreed, through their heads of government, to the package,

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I think it is highly likely the European Parliament will consider

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that as a good signal. -- I think if the other. But the European

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Parliament could fiddle with the deal and water it down. That is what

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is the fear of the Eurosceptics. The Prime Minister could make a deal. A

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tiny one. But after that deal, and say he wins the referendum, the

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European Parliament can scupper the deal. The European Court of Justice

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can rule it out of order. It is rather like selling a motorcar and

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saying isn't it lovely and shiny, and you can buy it, but you cannot

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test the engine first. It simply doesn't work. Could the European

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Court strike down the deal? We have spoken to experts who believe

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legislation could be drafted which would be safe from that. Tensions

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are high, and so are the stakes, and perhaps that is why Prince William

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today intervened in a speech. Or did he? You judge. In an increasingly

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turbulent world our ability to unite in common action with other nations

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is essential. It is the bedrock of our security and prosperity. And is

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central to your work. Right now the big question is will be wrestled --

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questions. As he hence, it may not change many votes. But nor the

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details of what David Cameron has shaken on. We will find out at the

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end of June what he hopes Britain will be.

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The tension is building. I'm joined now from the European

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Parliament by the German MEP Ska Keller and Conservative Dan

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Hannan who led the campaign for the Tory party to leave

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the European People's Party. Good evening to you both. Do you

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have concerns about what you have heard about you know, the deal

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Britain is getting, particularly on migrant benefits? There is a deal

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Cameron has achieved. It is clear the parliament will have to play a

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role in that. That shouldn't come as a surprise. After all it isn't a

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bureaucratic construct where only bureaucrats decide. It is the

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Parliament that does legislation and if Cameron wants to change

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legislation the Parliament will have a look at it. Many details are still

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missing. For us it is important, as the Greens, that we are not applying

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certain rules to some citizens and others not. But we will look at the

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proposal. After all, this referendum is about much more than what Cameron

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has been proposing in his deals with other heads of state and government.

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It is really about the future of the UK. It is about the future of the

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year and whether we face the challenges of today's world together

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or not. Are you really saying that it isn't possible for the government

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of the EU to make a deal? That is effectively what you are saying. You

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are saying they can sign whatever deal they want but it doesn't pass

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through the EU because the MEPs have their say. Let me put the question

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again... Or this one... Go on. The European Union has a Parliament like

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Britain has a Parliament. And Parliament have some rights as they

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should do in any democracy. Part of that is amending legislation. A lot

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of bits Cameron has been negotiating actually go past the European

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Parliament. We don't have a role in that. There are few pieces of that

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that actually have to go through Parliament. But how would you do a

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law if not by Parliament? In Britain laws passed through the Parliament,

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it is the same for the EU. Suppose you have reservations, which I think

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you do about the benefits package, isn't it the case that when you come

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to vote on the British deal that you will vote taking into account the

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political necessity for the EU to stick by its deal with the British,

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or will you just say, I am against changing benefit rules, so I will

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vote against? Will you effectively do the right thing, if you like,

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taking into account the bigger political question than just the

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benefits, or not? As I said, we don't have the proposals. But

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everybody will keep in mind the bigger political effects of that

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very clearly. But it is also very clear that we cannot just do changes

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to laws without asking the Parliament. Everybody is aware of

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what is happening at the council. We think that discrimination shouldn't

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happen to EU citizens. We are in an area of the rule of law which needs

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to apply to all. That is clear. But we are ready to look at proposals

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when they come. We hear this word, something of a formality, in

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English. You have to get your vote, and distrust a formality. Because

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everybody knows how you will vote and it is just noting its three. --

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and it is just a formality, because everybody knows how you will vote

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and it is just about nodding it through. If Parliaments were just

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there like that we would just get rid of them. We don't want to do

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that. We want to strengthen it. There has been a lot of talk about

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the EU not being democratic enough. Those people should not criticise us

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for exercising our democratic power. Citizens of the EE will expect from

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us that we have a close look at this. -- EU. Just as we would have a

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close look at any other kind of legislative document. Thanks very

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much. What probability do you put on the deal actually holding in the

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Parliament and in the European court? First, let's get the deal

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done. Lots of the elements are still being negotiated. We will see what

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happens on Thursday and Friday this week. The principle here is what 28

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EU leaders have agreed to, I would say, and indeed it is a legally

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binding decision, it is an international law decision... But

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the European courts can save your binding position, as you call it,

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conflicts with non-discrimination provisions, free movement

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provisions, that we already have written into a treaty? You cannot

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just signed something like that -- sign something like that. It may not

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be EU treaty but it is a binding document. What happens if it

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conflicts with the EU treaty and the European Court says that conflicts

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with the treaty you have signed? That is what they are negotiating

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about now. The menu of options they have been looking at has been

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looking at how do you do it within EU law. As Nina said earlier, loads

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of these elements will be enforceable straightaway. Making

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sure, for example, that the UK Parliament has more of a save. That

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we are not dragged into an ever closer union. That the euro zone

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countries are not outvoted. Important stuff. What probability do

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you put on the benefit package getting through the European

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Parliament, 90%, 98%? It cannot be 100%. I would not put a figure on it

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because things don't work like that. I think that a really important

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principle is there, can Britain, can any EU member state be part of it

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and make it better... But the EU was unable to give that because they

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cannot, and we have heard the argument, they cannot just put the

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Parliament into a position and just agree something Cameron is

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negotiating. If 28 EU leaders agree to something then it would almost be

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remiss in the Parliament to overturn all of that stuff. By the way, those

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leaders have been democratically elected in each of their countries.

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Angela Merkel has agreed to this deal on the half of the German

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people and actually Martin Schulz early on in that press conference

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today said the European Parliament doesn't have a veto and him himself

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has been clear that it is the European Parliament's duty to pass

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legislation quickly on this. Thank you both.

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On May 5th, London will vote for a new mayor.

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The most powerful elected role in England, outside Parliament.

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It will be important for London of course,

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and more than interesting for the rest of the country.

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The health of the capital is economically significant

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for the country and politically, London is a swing state.

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In a minute, we'll talk to one of the leading candidates,

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No scene better encapsulates the weird blend that makes

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Local people, ordinary homes, and skyscraper services for big

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business, all within earshot of each other.

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It's like two strange neighbours living next door to each other,

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perhaps not knowing each other well, perhaps not even liking

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Without ordinary Londoners, well, London grinds to a halt.

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Without the big business, London runs out of money.

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And the city only really works when both neighbours are happy.

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But when you do the maths, it's not been a great few years

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Family incomes as a whole in London have done reasonably well,

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But once we account for housing costs the picture looks

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Since the start of the crash typical household incomes have fallen

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by almost 4% in London which is worse than any other part

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Yes, housing is the issue that divides young, old,

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In an aspirational city, the aspiration to own a place

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I think there's a real risk that within about ten years no

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households, aged under 35, on low to middle incomes,

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But let's turn to the business side of the equation.

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HSBC, under whose tower we are virtually sitting,

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made this very important decision to keep its base in the UK,

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Does that mean London is sorted for business?

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Is that a sign that business is happy here and has nothing

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There will always be global competition, people trying

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The three things on businesses' mind at the moment in that global

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competitive space are, firstly, immigration,

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Secondly airports, can you get to and from global market places?

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and third, our position in relation to Europe,

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A city that works for work, but also for life generally

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is the promise of all candidates in May's Mayoral election.

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Londoners will argue about specific policies

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But elections are often much more visceral.

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For a Labour candidate, do you get business?

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For a Conservative, do you really understand the ordinary voter?

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With me now is Zac Goldsmith, the Conservative London Mayoral.

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Good evening. We will speak about some London issues in a moment but

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we start with Europe, the story of the week. You said that on the

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current terms, you would prefer to come out than staying in. On

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reformed Europe is to mark I have always been a Eurosceptic, I believe

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the institutions are profoundly undemocratic and in need of reform.

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I dealing I would like to see a more democratic, more accountable, more

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decentralised Europe. The Prime Minister has a tough job, not one

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that anyone would envy. We're not there yet. There is time to go and I

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always said since the process began that I would wait for the Prime

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Minister to make his final offer to the British people and as everyone

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else would take a few on whatever is in the national interest. You are

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basically a Eurosceptic and London is the second most pro-EU country

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next to Scotland. I will take a few months the prime Minster returns

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with a final offer. Give us a clue, we are just two days away. Whatever

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we decide to do must have a democratic mandate. I wish the

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promised well, I've always campaigned for a referendum and I

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will wait to see what he comes back with. Do you think that the benefits

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changes proposed for migrants will be significant in London? Genuinely,

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I am committed to not getting involved in discussions until we

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hear back. I'm very happy to come back and talk about the deal when it

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is there. The job of the Mayor is not to take us out of Europe or keep

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a thin, but to make whatever decision works for London. I'm

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confident that whatever decision, we will have a huge, bright future. We

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are a global city and it will work whatever we decide. To ask the

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broader question on whose side you're on, it is slightly simplistic

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people worried that the balance between corporate London, the

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bankers, and the Bohemians and others, that it is tilted too far

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away. I think this is an issue for London, no one can doubt London has

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boomed over the last eight years under Boris Johnson, rather most

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important the world not just in financial services but across the

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board, culture, media and tech. At the same time there is a real

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concern amongst Londoners that they are priced out of their own city and

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that is a problem. That is why I'm standing for mayor, to protect that

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success that Boris Johnson can take much credit for what make sure it

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works for people across the board. The biggest problem London faces is

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housing. Jo Valentine said in terms of business concerns but every

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single business I spoke to has the housing crisis at the top of the

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list. If people cannot afford to live in London it has ramifications

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for business as well. A lot of people have been critical about

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property developers and their deals with local authorities, sometimes

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they pay local authorities to get out of the obligation to build

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social housing. You clearly think they should all build social housing

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commitments, the target commitments and not be able to bribe their way

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out. Every single application should be interrogated with a robust

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approach to make sure we get the Massingham possible from it. --

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maximum. All new homes built on publicly owned land, which will be

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the bulk of the new homes over the next eight years, should be for

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Londoners first. There's no point building vast numbers of homes if

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they are purchased by overseas investors. Affordable housing on

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private land, where you have planning permission for development

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and there is an obligation to build social housing, will you enforce

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that restaurant absolutely. You will be tougher on developers estimate I

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will interrogate every application. I will drive a hard bargain because

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the housing crisis is the number one issue for the next mayor. Wealth is

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not an issue in London, many wealthy people, many poor people. But

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background, being able to understand the needs of everyday Londoners,

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that is an issue and I wonder what your answer will be to the voters

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about the background of Eden. The same is true about being an MP. I

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was elected five years ago in a comfortable Lib Dem seat and I got

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that seat against the odds and have worked every single minute since

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then on behalf of my constituents, I have delivered a day after day for

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my constituents. At the last election I was rewarded with the

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biggest increased majority of any incumbent MP in the country. So I

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will do my best to speak to every single Londoner, I will not succeed,

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there are 8.5 million, but for those I do meet, the people who know me

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best know I have campaigned relentlessly on their behalf and

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been rewarded with a massive thumbs up from those same people. Let's

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talk about tax. It has been a big issue and it gets the issue, between

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a corporate London and one for ordinary people. What was your

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reaction to the Google tax deal? Much the same as everyone else.

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Everyone was angry. We have a situation in London where the high

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streets, the heart of the communities, are suffering. They

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face high rent, high rates, parking issues in some boroughs, they're up

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against a rapid trend towards online shopping. The last thing we want is

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for high street to go under and yet they are in unfair competition with

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companies who are able to use mechanism not available to the high

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street shops. Of course it causes resentment and I want a fair

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Saintfield. It has to be fair competition. In your own tax

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affairs, to the compromise your ability to speak out on that issue.

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Because you wear a non-dom. I have always lived in the UK. If your

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assets are offshore and your non-dom, you do not pay tax... I

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have always lived in the UK. I have always paid full tax on my income in

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the UK. Since I have been paying tax. I have always lived in the UK.

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The thing about non-dom... You pay tax on your British income. Let me

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explain, my father died 20 years ago, I became non-dom aged 20. Being

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non-dom allows you to change, to make lifestyle choices to avoid

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paying tax but I have always lived in the UK. I have an income which

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comes to the UK on which I always paid full tax. So you explicitly

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deny people who calculate you have saved millions through being a

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non-dom. I have never been accused of not paying tax. No one is

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accusing you of illegality. But being non-dom, why is your family

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office which looks after hundreds of millions of dollars worth, why would

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that be in Geneva when you are standing to run as mayor in the city

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that has the greatest potential services in the world. I have a huge

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family, it covers every continent in the world more or less. I am one of

:25:21.:25:28.

many siblings and members of the family. My father was an

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international businessman and established an overseas trust before

:25:33.:25:35.

he died. I am a beneficiary of that trust, I have no control over it, I

:25:36.:25:41.

do have control over the income I get and that income I get is

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subjected to the full tax regime in the UK and has always been. Your tax

:25:46.:25:50.

return was published, it was published by Boris Johnson at the

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last election. Of course I will and all candidates should in this

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election. If this is something candidates agree to do I will do

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that. Thank you very much. When Hugo Chavez came

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to power in Venezuela, great hopes were vested in him -

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not least by some people There was a democrat,

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proffering an alternative model to neo-liberal economics,

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and one who had oil revenues Well, the Chavez revolution

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is in trouble. Food shortages are hurting

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the poor, inflation at 141%, and an economy in meltdown

:26:28.:26:29.

because of collapsing oil prices. Chavez's successor,

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President Nicolas Maduro, lacks the charisma of El Comandante,

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and in the midst of material shortages, the government is now

:26:34.:26:36.

being accused of drastically under-estimating the scale

:26:37.:26:38.

of the Zika outbreak. But now he's dead and the poor

:26:39.:26:40.

living there in the Barrios, have turned against the movement

:26:41.:27:23.

he created, Chavismo. In the country with the world's

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biggest oil reserves, they're queueing for

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the essentials of everyday life. Filming in Venezuela is tricky,

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and that includes the supermarkets. The government has

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fixed the price of So a way round the fixed pricing

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system is you don't get toilet roll, You can get toilet paper,

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but at a price, on the black market. This is illegal, but no

:28:33.:28:39.

one dares stop it. Without the black market,

:28:40.:28:43.

the country would crunch to a halt. How about this for some

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Venezuelan sorcery? One, two, three, four,

:28:50.:28:54.

five, six, seven, Now if you change the $100

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at the official rate, So, not surprisingly,

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people change at the And that means the government has

:29:32.:29:38.

lost control of the economy. But that is not how

:29:39.:29:55.

the ruling party sees it. Chavismo worked when

:29:56.:30:19.

it had its folksy Under Chavez's successor,

:30:20.:30:22.

Nicolas Maduro, But in the Barrios,

:30:23.:30:27.

the traditionally solid bases And then there's Zika,

:30:28.:30:57.

the mosquito borne virus linked to cases of paralysis

:30:58.:31:07.

and deformed babies. Doctors have complained they lack

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the critical medicines to fight We went to the main hospital

:31:14.:31:15.

in Caracas to investigate These people in the neurology ward

:31:16.:31:19.

have been paralysed. A group of Venezuelan doctors fear

:31:20.:31:24.

that the government is deliberately playing down the number

:31:25.:31:59.

of Zika cases. So the government here says

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there are 4000 cases I think we have 400,000 cases

:32:04.:32:05.

of Zika in Venezuela. We have the register

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of fever cases in Venezuela. And we have a big growth

:32:15.:32:27.

in the number of fever cases, For now, petrol is the

:32:28.:32:31.

cheapest in the world. The government has

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to find $10 billion But seems afraid to

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lift petrol prices. For fear of triggering

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something like this. NEWSREEL: Venezuela's

:32:57.:32:59.

worst riots in 30 years. These riots in 1989

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saw hundreds dead. It might not come to it,

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but some people fear this And, the worst-case

:33:05.:33:12.

scenario, a military coup. Caracas is tense already

:33:13.:33:20.

because of violent By some estimates, there were nearly

:33:21.:33:22.

4000 murders here last year. Making it one of the world's

:33:23.:33:29.

most dangerous cities. Within minutes, we counted

:33:30.:33:37.

two hearses carrying After dark, middle-class

:33:38.:33:42.

neighbourhoods are For now, life goes on and for some,

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it is full of fun. But soon Venezuela's

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revolutionary ride In his masterpiece The Inferno,

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the Italian poet Dante reserved the fifth circle of Hell

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for dodgy politicians - we'll warn them about that,

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in the unlikely event that we get Dante was very fortunate

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in his illustrators - one of the first and the best

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was the Renaissance artist An entire series of his drawings

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for the Inferno was once in British hands - until the feckless Duke

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of Hamilton sold them all to the Germans in 1882 to pay

:34:42.:34:43.

off his gambling debts. But now the Courtauld Gallery

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in London is putting them on show. The set includes false prophets,

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who have their heads on backwards in Hell, so they can see

:34:50.:34:52.

what they used to talk out of. That reminds me,

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here's Stephen Smith. The lowest circle of hell, just

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before the paper 's slot on this show, but never mind, look at these

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thrillingly gruesome drawings by the Renaissance master, Sandro

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Botticelli. It is the great figure of Lucifer embedded at the bottom of

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the pit of hell. He has six wings. That wings. They are flapping

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wildly. They are generating icy drafts. He has three heads. The

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mouse are open and he is chewing on the bodies of the three arch

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traitors. -- mouths. In the middle we see Judas Iscariot who betrayed

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Christ, of course. On the left, the unfortunate Brutus. And on the

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right, Cassius. The two men who betrayed Julius Caesar.

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They are among the most important works of Renaissance that we have,

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because in these works Botticelli, one of the greatest artists of Italy

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and Renaissance, meets Dante, one of the greatest poets of all time.

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500 years after his death, Botticelli is having a bit of a

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moment. Another showed this spring at the Victoria and Albert Museum

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will look at his last impact on art and design. The interesting thing

:36:48.:36:53.

about this exhibition of drawings came to light at a time that

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Botticelli's status was re-emerging, and contributed very substantially

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to defining the artist that we know today, who is clearly not just a

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painter of, you know, beautiful, seductive he needs his -- seductive

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Venuses floating around seductively. But it shows an artist who had

:37:24.:37:30.

ideas. Trying to grasp a powerful poem which he is trying to

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illustrate. The Botticellis once belonged to the 12th Duke of

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Hamilton, who embarked on a journey of his own which was Dante-esque. He

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was involved in yachts, gaming, horse racing, and managed to rack up

:37:48.:37:51.

a debt of some ?1 million. Another contemporary on his death said he

:37:52.:38:00.

was beset by all the deadly sins to a greater degree than any other man

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of his standing, which gives you a little bit of the flavour of how

:38:05.:38:09.

much he enjoyed life, I think. To clear his debts the Duke parted with

:38:10.:38:14.

all of his art treasures over 17 days. The sale of the century it was

:38:15.:38:18.

dubbed. Including wonderful illustrations of Alexander the great

:38:19.:38:25.

in a makeshift escape. It all went to a museum in Berlin, including the

:38:26.:38:29.

so-called Hamilton Bible, which had once been consulted by the Pope

:38:30.:38:36.

according to Rafael's painting. For people like me... The Courtauld

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Gallery is laying on magnifying glasses to help us appreciate

:38:46.:38:50.

drawings like Botticelli's Paradise. They are in a stream of light,

:38:51.:38:58.

flowing towards God. And a stream of light which is surrounded by

:38:59.:39:03.

fantastical flowers. It is a wonderful way of depicting just pure

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joy. That is what is depicted there in paradise. This is the other side

:39:12.:39:16.

of the Elgin marbles, isn't it? These are our treasures which are

:39:17.:39:19.

lost. CHUCKLES

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Is there anything we can do, can we twist Angela Merkel's arm? I fear

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not. I think the opportunity has gone. I think we have to just

:39:29.:39:31.

celebrate the fact that these wonderful drawings are in a

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fantastic public collection in Germany. They are freely available

:39:36.:39:39.

to a very wide public. The fact they are here, back in the UK, is really,

:39:40.:39:47.

I think, testimony to how cultural property is shared internationally

:39:48.:39:48.

these days. Before we go let's remember the

:39:49.:39:53.

Bataclan. On the 13th November gummen stormed

:39:54.:39:59.

into the Bataclan concert hall - less than three hours later,

:40:00.:40:02.

they and 89 fans were dead. The Eagles of Death Metal were

:40:03.:40:10.

playing that evening. Tonight they came back to "Resume their get". Not

:40:11.:40:15.

at the Bataclan, but in Paris. Many of the survivors returned this

:40:16.:40:18.

evening as an act of remembrance Lydia was in the Bataclan and

:40:19.:40:28.

attended the concert this evening. Good evening. How important was it

:40:29.:40:34.

to you to go back to this very poignant gig? I needed it. That was

:40:35.:40:44.

the final chapter. It was more than important. How have you been since

:40:45.:40:51.

the 13th of November? Sad. I was really sad. Have you been able to go

:40:52.:41:00.

to concerts, to go to theatre, or anything... Yeah, I have been to

:41:01.:41:04.

Paris, I have been to Giggs, I have been to the theatres, I have been to

:41:05.:41:09.

the cinema. I have been shopping, taking transport like everyone. --

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gigs. It hasn't been the same since. What happened at the concert

:41:18.:41:20.

tonight? It could not have been ordinary... It was the most

:41:21.:41:30.

extraordinary league of my life. -- gig. It was emotional. Not in the

:41:31.:41:35.

way I thought it would be. But I think everybody needed it. Tonight

:41:36.:41:41.

the show proved it. Did they finish the gig they had started on the 13th

:41:42.:41:47.

of November? It must have been more special than that, a little

:41:48.:41:51.

different somehow. They played longer. They asked us to have a few

:41:52.:41:57.

moments of silence to remember those we lost that night. They told asked

:41:58.:42:06.

that they love it asks. Even more than last time. -- they told us that

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they love us. The lead singer, Jesse Hughes, has talked about guns and

:42:13.:42:21.

the need... He thinks had there been guns and there more people would

:42:22.:42:27.

have survived. It isn't a very European view. I just want it you

:42:28.:42:30.

have reflected on that kind of response to that awful night -- I

:42:31.:42:35.

just want to know how you have reflected. As we have seen in

:42:36.:42:41.

America, there is a lot of accidents, and crazy people use guns

:42:42.:42:48.

to kill people all the time. Had I a gun on that night, I would have

:42:49.:42:52.

killed them, just for protection. You have been to this event. I don't

:42:53.:42:57.

like this word, but the word closure, has it closed the chapter?

:42:58.:43:02.

Is that how it feels to you now, I know you said it is a final chapter.

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Not closure. I managed to finish what I started. That was really

:43:10.:43:20.

necessary. They court us while we were having fun and all of a sudden

:43:21.:43:23.

we had to run for our lives. Tonight was away or us finishing what we

:43:24.:43:32.

started. -- a way of us. Thanks very much.

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A weather front moving south and east bringing rain and mountain snow

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continues across the country. Behind it, cold air and a scattering of

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snow showers even at low levels from Northern Ireland and Scotland first

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Evan Davis. Can the EU Parliament wreck the PM's deal? Evan also takes a look inside Venezuela's collapsing economy and at the upcoming Botticeli exhibition at the Courtauld Gallery, and Eagles of Death Metal play live in Paris three months after the Bataclan shooting.


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