01/03/2016 Newsnight


Evan Davis with a special investigation into what put a stop to a police inquiry into abuse in children's homes, Trump and Super Tuesday, and Greece and the migrant crisis.

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Tonight, was a Scotland Yard detective taken off the case


because he wanted to talk to a government minister?


I have been 34-and-a-half years in the Met police.


I am immensely proud to have been a police officer and to have been


This is the one period in my career which just troubles me greatly.


For 18 months we've been investigating what went wrong


when this policeman was trying to discover the truth


about allegations of widespread abuse in south


Clive had been suspended from the case, the investigation,


he was going to be disciplined, he had been interviewed


and they found he had nothing and to all intents and purposes


the matter should be regarded as completely closed.


What does this case reveal about the sensitivities that arise


Also tonight, the US Presidential Primaries


The Republican Party machine is looking for salvation.


They are currently grappling with what psychologists might call


the five stages of grief, somewhere between denial that Trump


is going to win the nomination, and acceptance that it is all going


to end up like that, comes the fightback.


They want to know if he is stoppable and what the nuclear options


Over the last few years, few subjects have caused as much


controversy as the investigations into historic cases of child abuse.


The issue is a minefield for survivors, for police and,


Over time, rumours become reality and facts are too easily


How do you disentangle all this to find the truth?


That is what Justice Goddard has set herself up to do in a public inquiry


that gets under way this month and will last years.


She has prioritised a handful of cases that need urgent attention


and one of them is the London borough of Lambeth.


Unlike other stories you have heard, there is no doubt the children's


homes here were infiltrated by paedophiles, a number of men have


But there is a lingering feeling the police didn't uncover


Tonight we set out one small part of the Lambeth story,


an important episode that involves the police,


Detectives had been investigating a man for child abuse


and as they looked into his case, they were told the suspect seemed


There was no suggestion the minister had done anything wrong.


But should police talk to him to see if he could help the inquiry?


In fact, Scotland Yard chose not to approach him.


And that baffled some people, including one experienced


So, did detectives make the right call?


There is another important twist, because detectives weren't dealing


To understand the sensitivities here we need to explain


who he was and the job he held. The minister was Paul Boateng,


Home Office minister in charge of the police,


a man who'd made his name as a lawyer criticising the Met.


Over the last 18 months, we've approached all the key people


in this saga, including Lord Boateng himself.


But this film doesn't draw conclusions.


It asks questions, questions that still haven't been answered


The borough of Lambeth in south London, a prime focus for the


independent enquiry into child sex abuse held by justice Goddard. Her


team will look at what went on in children's care homes here more than


30 years ago and review decisions taken by the police that are still


contentious today. Perhaps none more so than what led to the removal of


an officer from a sensitive enquiry and what happened to the information


he had. At the heart of this story is one fundamental issue, the an


easy relationship between the police and those in power. I have been 34


and a half years in the Metropolitan police service and I was immensely


proud to be a police officer, but this is the one period in my career


which troubles me greatly. In 1998, Clive Driscoll was a detective


working on a delicate case. Police in Liverpool had arrested a man


called John Carroll. He was accused of offences in Liverpool and


Lambeth. He had been the manager of children's care home in Lambeth and


Driscoll's job was to pick up the London end of the inquiry. Was there


more to follow up? He thought there was. Among several potential


witnesses he wanted to talk to was this man, Paul Boateng, a rising


star in Tony player's government. Approaching any minister would have


been awkward, but speaking to Boateng would have been particularly


so, he had just been appointed minister in charge of the police.


Newsnight has spent 18 months investigating what happened in this


borough back then and one thing is for sure. It is as controversial now


as it ever was. This story begins with Driscoll's investigation,


Operation Trawler. The prime focus of his enquiries where this man,


John Carroll, who would plead guilty to charges of indecent assault and


burglary of young boys in the 1970s and 80s. He was sentenced to ten


years in jail. Police in London continued to look into his past,


they wanted to be sure the full extent of his abuse in Lambeth care


homes had been uncovered. It was becoming clear there were still


people who might be able to shed light on his activities. Driscoll


investigated through the autumn of 1998. These confidential


papers record the work he was undertaking. Driscoll was told


Carroll like to get among well-known people in the local community,


dignitaries, police officers, councillors. Two witnesses mentioned


the name of one particularly prominent individual he had met in


this way. We have spoken to both of them. One was a former social worker


who had worked under Carroll at the Angel Road care home. Her name was


Teresa Johnson. Her identity has never been revealed before. She told


us she had seen many visitors come and go from the home. One of them


she says was Paul Boateng. She says she saw him on up to six occasions


and once spoke to him in the reception area. By the office there


was a table with visitorsbook and everybody who comes into our home


has to sign the book. I said, excuse me, can you sign the visitors' book?


And he signed it. You saw his name in there? Yes. The second person who


had spoken to Driscoll was a youth worker from a local charity which


ran annual caravan holidays for people in care. He told us John


Carroll attended these camps and he remembered many local dignitaries


visiting or helping out. One of them he says was Paul Boateng. John


Carroll would regularly talk about him being able to open doors for


him. John Carroll believed he should have been someone far more


significant. From your own recollections, you saw John Carroll


with this man? Definitely. On how many occasions? Quite a few. There


was a third piece of information in Driscoll's files. In the mid-19 80s


John Carroll attempted to foster children. Lambeth supported this,


but needed the neighbouring borough, Southwark, two second it. They


refused. They discovered Carroll already had a conviction for child


abuse dating back to the 1960s. Southwark couldn't believe Lambeth


Council did not know about this and had not sacked him. Newsnight has


been told the decision provoked a bitter row between the two Council.


We have been told a few days later the official who took the decision


to block the application received a phone call from a man who identified


himself as Paul Boateng, although the official could not be sure it


was him. The caller had asked him if there was anything he could do to


help resolve the row around Carroll's posturing. The offer was


not taken up. There is no suggestion they were aware of Carroll's


previous conviction. Driscoll told colleagues he needed to talk to Paul


Boateng in case he could shed light on Carol's activities. Then to his


astonishment he was axed. One of those who knew Driscoll was about to


approach Boateng was a senior Lambeth official, Nigel Goldie. But


Goldie thought the detective had told too many people about his


plans. He said he raised his concerns within Lambeth Council.


Within days, Goldie had been spoken to by another police officer called


Richard da Genie. He said he told him to forget about Driscoll and his


Leeds. Clive had been suspended from the investigation and he was going


to be disciplined. He had been interviewed and they found he had


nothing and that to all intents and purposes the matter should be


regarded as completely closed. Nothing more was going to be done


about it. It should be left and I should not speak to anyone about it,


were you surprised he had been removed? I was surprised, I was not


expecting that kind of drastic action. Driscoll is also bemused.


For him any claim that the product of his investigation had come to


nothing did not make sense. He said he had not told anyone who he wanted


to speak to or why. Did Driscoll get what he deserved, or was this a good


excuse to get him out before he stirred up a political Hornets'


nest? A secret internal, Scotland Yard report said Driscoll committed


serious indiscretions, but it also refers to the political


sensitivities that resulted in his removal from Lambeth. Like many


senior officers at Scotland Yard, Driscoll had his critics and he


admits he can be a bit of a bull in a china shot. But the disciplinary


proceedings against him were quickly drop and his career soared.


The Lawrence's family's long wait for justice. Two men are found


guilty. Driscoll was rated as the detective


who finally brought them to justice. Baroness Doreen Lawrence describes


Driscoll as an officer with integrity. Driscoll says he


subsequently handed over his notebooks and documents to Dyer


Genie. He says they detail the progress he was making with people


to contact. It was around the time that Driscoll was removed that car


Genie was asked to run a new inquiry called operation Middleton. It was


on a bigger scale and as well as police now involve a team of


specially trained social workers. They were known as the child abuse


in Lambeth team. But operation Middleton did not pick up where


Driscoll had left off. John Carroll was no longer the sole focus of the


enquiry. Instead detectives were tasked with looking at allegations


of child abuse across all Lambeth's children's homes going back 20


years. So what happened to Driscoll's documents, his Leeds, his


notebooks? That is one of the key unanswered questions. Why? Because


Teresa Johnson told us she did not hear from detectives again. This


left her feeling distrustful of the police. Social workers contacted her


some years later as part of a general sweep of all former staff,


but she told us they never asked her about the information she had given


Driscoll. In our investigation we met with a dozen times. She died in


September last year. The charity worker from the caravan park was not


spoken to either. He too lost faith in the police. The Southwark


official who took the adoption call was never contacted either. Some


officers in operation Middleton had told us they were unaware of the


information Driscoll had compiled, information that had justified his


plan to approach the minister. One confesses that Driscoll even told


him, claimed that emphatically denies.


There was another strand of information presented to police.


Social workers discovered a document suggesting Paul Boateng and his wife


had visited the Angel Road tempo in the mid-19 80s when John Carroll was


in charge. We were told the information was passed to detectives


on operation Muggleton. Social workers recognised the potential


sensitivities and they were told it was discussed at the highest levels


of the police and the Home Office. We put this to this attempt to Eddie


said was unable to clarify the sequence of events because he did


not have access to computer records in relation to operation Muggleton.


He said was an ongoing enquiry and it would be inappropriate to comment


further. None of this suggest that Paul Boateng has done anything


wrong. And the police said they have never received any complaints about


him. But might he have had information that could help the


police investigation? Driscoll thought so. Regardless of the


sensitivities. The new enquiry did not. Met officers we spoke to deny


the bottled it and describe Middleton is a gold standard


enquiry. So why is this important? In operation Muggleton posmack early


days officers let it be known they had 40 offenders in their sights. It


emerged that 60 alleged abusers had died. Another 19 could not be


identified. At the end of the four-year enquiry the police secured


three convictions. Operation Muggleton's final report noted it


would be unreasonable to judge the success of the operation solely on


the basis of the number of successful prosecutions. So where


are we now put up as we make clear, there is no evidence that Lord


Boateng did anything wrong. He has told us he only became aware of


officer Carol Dzagoev Carol when he was arrested. He told us that as a


campaigning lawyer he acted for many young people in care and met many of


the social workers and visited many use facilities in the course of his


work. He did not personally know Mr Carroll and had no recollection of


meeting him professionally or visiting the Angel Road or anywhere


else he was present. He told us he remembered the charity that he has


no recollection of visiting during the caravan holidays. And he said he


did not make the call to a council official. The statement added, I


would be appalled if Mr Carroll was not properly investigated and


children harmed as as a result. I'm unaware how the investigation into


Mr Carroll was conducted and knew nothing about the matter is under


investigation. So I cannot comment on why the police did not seek my


assistance in connection with this matter. I would of course have been


happy to assist. Scotland Yard launched its own internal review


almost three years ago. It is now being overseen by the Independent


Police Complaints Commission. Now just as God has made Lambeth a


priority. The questions they're looking at go to the heart of


policing. Officers take us to act without fear or favour. Did they do


that in this case? -- take an oath. To try to help answer the question,


just as God heard turned to this man. Raymond Stevenson was a boy in


one of the Lambeth care homes. 18 months ago he set up a support group


for survivors. He is now seeing more than 600 members.


A music producer, he directed a video to highlight the issue of


child abuse in Lambeth. He believes police avoided asking awkward


questions. We have four pieces of information that appear to show a


link, alleged link between Paul Boateng and John Carroll. You think


that he should have been spoken to by the police?


I know those links you're talking about and of course he should have


been spoken to. Anyone with those connecting pieces of information


should be spoken to, whoever they are.


John Carroll now lives in the Midlands, he declined to speak to


us. Here he is with children in his care, pictures never seen before. By


Tansey was charming, terrifying, manipulative. -- by Tansey was


charming. Newsnight held many conflict and stories about his world


and to sell it but most can agree on one thing. The story of child abuse


in Lambeth and the story of John Carroll has never been fully told.


Well, Jake Morris carried out that investigation with Nick and I spoke


Jake, we've seen one police investigation accused of being far


too credulous, in this case the suggestion is the investigation


Why do you think the police have such a chequered record in these


Evan, I think manny police officers would say they're dammed if they do,


and dammed if they don't when it comes to these kind of inquiries.


There are lots of campaigners who believe the police repeatedly


failed to do their job in the 1970s and the 1980s when dealing


But there are some critics of the police who feel the pendulum


And officers are now being overzealous in the way


As we said, this is desperately difficult territory for the police.


Because many of these allegations are about events that allegedly


And also because of the incendiary nature of what is being suggested.


Now, given that you and Nick in the report spell out very clearly


that there is no evidence that Paul Boateng, Lord Boateng,


did anything wrong, why did you feel it was important to name him


We thought very long and hard about this and our feeling


was to fully understand this story you needed to tell the particular


sensitivities around this particular minister.


Therefore we needed to say what job he did, and who he was.


Paul Boateng wasn't just any influential figure,


he was the man who was a minister with responsibility for the police.


And he was also someone who had built his reputation and come


to prominence as a lawyer who was often very critical


Well Justice Goddard has said she will start looking at Lambeth


this month and she has outlined what she is going to be looking at.


And I quote - "allegations that there was inappropriate


interference in law enforcement investigations, into the sexual


abuse of children in the care of the council."


As we also said, the police have been looking at this for nearly


But there are witnesses we have spoken to who have told us they have


lost faith in this review, who do not believe it


will get to the bottom of what happened in Lambeth.


So I think it fair to say Justice Goddard will have her work


cut out to reassure them that on this occasion she really will get


That name gives it the buzz of a sporting fixture


or a reality TV event, but it is the biggest day


of the season of US Presidential Primaries.


Emily is there as votes are cast, in Nashville, Tennessee.


Good evening from Nashville, Tennessee. It is the first time the


state gets to vote in Super Tuesday and the day has acquired new


significance because this is the moment we find out if Donald Trump


is electrically unstoppable. For the past six months,


the Republican party machine has careered between denial


and acceptance of Trump The backlash against him is growing,


but have the big guns of the GOP left it too late to endorse


their preferred candidate, I put the question to a former


presidential candidate. First a breakdown of how those


numbers stack up. Held across 11 states


in a territory, Super Tuesday spreads the election


battleground across the country, from the Alaska caucus


to American Samoa in the Pacific. You can see why it is a decisive


day for candidates - nearly half of all Republican


delegates are for grabs today. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton


and Bernie Sanders will compete for 865, almost a third


of their total number. Going into Super Tuesday,


Clinton is ahead with 546. Donald Trump meanwhile


is on 82 delegates. Marco Rubio is one behind him


on just 16. Hillary Clinton is expected to win


everywhere but Vermont - Sanders' home state -


and Oklahoma which is tied. Trump is expected to win in ten out


of the eleven states, the exception being Texas where


Ted Cruz has the home advantage. In the beginning we used to talk


about Trump having the angry voter, but our sense travelling around


is that he has got much more than that, the suburban


Republicans, college graduate Republicans, even perhaps


the evangelicals. We start our piece


in downtown Nashville. Nashville is to music


what the Vatican is to prayer. A holy city of honky-tonk,


country and western, It brings the believers


out in force and even on a Monday night,


Laila's Bluegrass Inn gets them The old hands and yes,


the absolute beginner. Mike's band has been playing


Nashville for decades, part of him mourns the changes


he is seeing here. So when Trump appeared,


or as another Nashville singer might put it, came in like a wrecking


ball, the choice was easy. I had a paint business


for 25 years, it took And when the politicians decided


to let Mexico get up and move to Tennessee and take my business


from me, it felt like my government and reached down and


snatched my paint business away from me and handed it


to a bunch of illegal immigrants. Mike has stressed


to me his Christian What is curious is that even here,


deep in the Bible Belt, that sense of faith no longer


dictates where the vote goes. In this small town of Sparta


in Tennessee, we counted 16 churches just driving around


the neighbourhood. In other words, this is a part


of the world with plenty Yet Donald Trump,


three times married, criticised by the Pope


for his non-Christian beliefs, leads the polls here


by more than 10%. It is that kind of


statistic that makes Over the border in Georgia,


we join evangelicals to try and make It is a diverse congregation,


ethnically and politically, and a preacher focused


on Super Tuesday. And I know that in your minds,


you're thinking, this candidate or this candidate, it is not


easy to find somebody. Pastor Rouse won't name


names, but you can detect I think, you know, we're


going to see this election play out that a possible candidate will be


elected purely because the whole If his message has


urgency, it is because With half the Republican


delegates up for grabs today, this contest can turbo propel


whoever comes out on top Super Tuesday is when the southern


states of America come Places like this, Tennessee,


Alabama, Georgia, with a strong evangelical, blue-collar vote,


might want to have gone for Ted More extraordinary than that,


he is dominating with college graduates, with suburban


Republicans, even with The classifications may be crude,


but the big picture is clear. Of course the polling


figures do not represent America, just a tiny Republican core


who vote in primaries. But when you compare Trump


to his nearest rivals, The Republican Party


machine is looking They're currently grappling


with what psychologists Somewhere between denial that


Trump is going to win the nomination, and acceptance


that it is all going to end up They want to know if he is


stoppable, and what the nuclear Thus a flurry of endorsements


from the GOP's big guns in the last 72 hours for Florida


Senator Marco Rubio. Former presidential candidate


Lamar Alexander and state Governor Bill Haslam have


jetted into his rally I asked them if it


is not all too late. There is a lot of election ahead


of us, OK, and obviously But if you look at all those


numbers, the longer people look at it, the more


they are convinced he And if he doesn't win


any of the states on Obviously the goal is


to stay in the game. And I think you will see


Marco Rubio out there And I honestly think those


delegates will fall in place. You know what is like to run


for president, at this point in the race, does it feel


like there is desperation setting No, if I were Marco Rubio,


I would be encouraged. Because he has got the money


to continue and literally, we are in the second


or third or fourth game The party is in a race


against itself right now. Both Cruz and Rubio poll better


against Hillary Clinton Yet that doesn't seem to be a factor


in where the primary vote is going. Comedian Jon Stewart


is blindingly brilliant You have to remember one


thing about the will It wasn't that long ago


we were all swept away I doubt they recognise


the Macarena here in But whatever step they do make


next, will need some And with me now is Senator


Becky Duncan Massey, Republican member of


the Tennessee Senate and a Rubio supporter, and Mark Winslow


who is a member of the Tennessee GOP executive committee and is running


as a delegate for Donald Trump. I think he has got a very good lead,


but there will be a concerted effort to stop him. What do you make of the


backlash, all the senators coming out for Rubio? We are seeing some


coming out for Donald Trump, but change is difficult and a lot of


people are afraid of the change he might bring. I described the mood in


your party as crisis mode and when we were speaking to Senator


Alexander yesterday, they sound like they are in denial. Polls are


showing that Donald Trump is leading strongly. In any election you have a


difference of opinions. You look at their policies, their experience,


their faith and their character. That is where people make their


decisions. What do you think the mainstream Republican party should


have done differently if they had wanted to stop Donald Trump when


they could? I think having 17 people in the race at the beginning made a


big difference. It was hard for people to coalesce around one


candidate and the race would have been a lot different if they had


basically two front runner is from the beginning. This is democracy in


action, this is how the Republicans are voting in the primaries, but


when you look at the polls which suggest that either Rubio or Ted


Cruz would do better against Hillary Clinton, are you not cutting off


your nose despite your face? It is a long time until November and we will


find out as we approach November whether Republicans begin to


coalesce or not. You say they will coalesce, are you confident of that?


We are hearing Republican voices who are saying if it is Donald Trump I


am staying at home. I am hopeful. You are finding people like Governor


Christie and several members of Congress, yesterday there was a


member from Tennessee who came in supporting Donald Trump in his


campaign. Change is hard and hopefully they will come around and


understand we need to be united for the election in November. If Marco


Rubio and Ted Cruz both do well tonight... Which I hope for. That


will basically secured Donald Trump for longer. Well, it is narrowing


down. There were five people in the last debate and they have to get 20%


of the vote in Tennessee to get the proportional delegates. I believe at


best there will only be three people that will get the delegates in


Tennessee and that will keep the candidacy alive. Give us a sense of


what this means for Tennessee. It is the first time it takes part in


Super Tuesday and we have seen no real attack ads. How does that


change the dynamic? We have not always had the number of adverts as


in Iowa and New Hampshire, they had votes based on publicity. This time


there have been some ads, but not enough resources have been put in at


this stage. Are you expecting Donald Trump to win pretty much everything


but Texas? If so, what is the fancy footwork that the mainstream of the


party want if they are still intent on stopping him? They could accept


the people's well. The good thing is in America you have one person, one


vote. You go out and work each state and each area and there are people


on the ground in every state and I am sure the candidacy will continue.


Obviously I am strongly for Senator Rubio. He is the right candidate, he


unites people, and I think the more he gets out, and we had 2000 people


in Knoxville yesterday and 4000 in Franklin, and the majority of those


votes were young people. It is great to see how many people are taking


part and we will keep on working on it. Yesterday Donald Trump was


blaming his earpiece when he had not been able to explain why it had


taken him so long to distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan. Was


that a moment of embarrassment for you as a supporter? No, when you


have a first-time candidate who does not have all the political polish,


you are going to have things like that now and then. You are joking.


You are saying he is lacking the political polish? He has not been


through the method of polish that the other candidates can and he has


not been giving Senate floor speeches and he has not been in the


arena. You take the sweet bumps with the positives. If he had said, yes I


can accept the Ku Klux Klan endorsement, would that have put


people off or not particularly? I do not know of any civilised person who


believes represent everything. That shows character and if those are his


beliefs, it would bother me significantly. I bet that is the


biggest question, how much Donald Trump means what he says and how far


he would go to implement some of the more extreme policies that he has


discussed. We will know the result from here at about nine o'clock


tonight. The polls show in a couple of hours' time and we will bring you


all the race, including what is happening in the Democratic race


tomorrow. Back in Europe, migrant numbers


are building up in Greece, people unable to move north and west


up through Macedonia. It is beginning to look horrifyingly


like a humanitarian crisis. We have the figures


for February now. People coming off boats from Turkey


to Lesbos as in these pictures From the islands, the new arrivals


get to Athens by ferry. Here are scenes today


at the passenger terminal And that is where the


latest problems start. Because people get to the border


with Macedonia and then 9,000 or so camping


in the fields near that border. The Macedonians now tightening


the border to prevent any more Well, this is causing problems


for Greece as the minister for citizen protection there,


Nikos Toskas, explained I started by asking him


about the situation There is a serious crisis,


as I said, in the area. And this serious crisis is caused


by the different wars in Syria, We did not start the wars,


but we are receiving the results And various people are


coming with nothing. We are providing them


with the basic things, But they don't want to stay


in the different camps, Only a small number


of refugees are passing. Yesterday only 30 people


passed from the borders. So this is a serious


problem but unfortunately, a few European Union countries


and a few Balkan countries are not dealing with the problem in


a collective and comprehensible way. You said some of them are not


behaving in a collective way. Name some names


for me, if you would. The previous days, a decision


was taken in Vienna. And so the decision really


was the borders would be closed We have a different approach,


we want, as I said, We believe European countries have


to share the burden, European countries can receive


a number of refugees. Most of the European countries have


accepted this approach, but unfortunately there are other


countries taking their own path. And they're taking care only


of their national interest and not the collective interest


of the European Union. What can Greece do to put pressure


on its European partners, what can you do to say, guys,


you have to do what you have said you're going to do and you have


got to help us here? Many times we requested


from the European Union to deal One year ago they thought that this


was only a problem which affected only the southern areas


and especially Greece. Later on they realised that these


flows were affecting And so they started dealing more


seriously about the problem. So they started trying to find ways,


to find solutions for the problem. The real solution will be the ending


of the war to the areas which are the sources


of the problem in Syria, One final question


if you would, Minister. What effect do you think this


is having on Greek society? We are receiving everyday 2,500


immigrants and refugees. We are in the middle


of a financial crisis, so we have two real


crises in the country. The financial and


the refugee problem. We cannot be the black


hole of Europe. We need support from the different


countries and we need a real solution for the flows


and the problem. Minister Toskas, thank


you very much indeed. We'll wake up to American


politics I dare say, but before we go to bed,


a bit of South Korea, where the filibuster to end


all filibusters is still under way. Opposition MPs there protesting


at anti-terrorism legislation started their attempt to talk it out


back on February 23rd and they have I can't tell you what they're


saying, but at this point,


In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Evan Davis.

Including a special investigation into what put a stop to a police inquiry into abuse in children's homes, Trump and Super Tuesday, and Greece and the migrant crisis.

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