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A Downing Street crisis meeting, but no plan to keep steel | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
Government will do everything it can, working with the company, | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
to try to secure the future of steel-making in Port Talbot | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
We debate two very different solutions. | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
A Newsnight exclusive, the illegal Jewish schools known | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
to the Department of Education, where children receive little other | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
I'm 25 now and my level of education is just | :00:30. | :00:37. | |
Zaha Hadid, who died today, designed some of the world's most | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
A longtime friend who was also a longtime client is here to look | :00:44. | :00:51. | |
We have inherited quite a budget crunch from President Tramp. | :00:52. | :01:00. | |
Could this be the moment Donald Trump got the idea | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
We speak to The Simpsons writer who penned those prophetic words. | :01:03. | :01:12. | |
Three days after Tata Steel dropped the bombshell that it's preparing | :01:13. | :01:20. | |
to sell all its UK assets, including the country's biggest | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
steel plant in Port Talbot, the government still looks | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
"Asleep at the wheel", was how the local MP | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
It's fair to say there is no plan to save it. | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
Today, after chairing an emergency meeting on the crisis, | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
David Cameron insisted the government wasn't ruling | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
anything out but didn't believe that nationalisation was the answer. | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
But the Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
that the Conservatives supported nationalising the banks, | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
so they should consider the same thing for the steel industry. | :01:49. | :01:57. | |
Clouds of uncertainty hangs over Port Talbot. | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
The plant is still open but it is still losing around | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
?1 million a day with no new buyer in sight. | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
The crisis has not gone well for the government either. | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
Labour has accused them of being missing in action and some | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
The Business Secretary Sajid Javid has been on a ministerial | :02:14. | :02:23. | |
David Cameron came back from holiday in Lanzarote | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
This seems unlikely, particularly from a | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
Despite sounding very much like he is ruling out | :02:32. | :02:43. | |
I don't believe nationalisation is the right answer. | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
What we want to do is secure a long-term future for Port Talbot. | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
EU rules do not explicitly prohibit nationalisation. | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
John McDonnell suggested it could be at least a temporary solution. | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
If there is not a buyer coming forward quickly it will have to be | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
nationalised to stabilise and then we look at the investment strategy | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
In that way, buyers may emerge or we might want | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
to keep a public stake, but we have to secure the industry | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
in the short-term, to give us those options. | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
Supporters of the idea say it is no different to bailing out | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
the banks, but even the local Labour MP says even nationalisation is not | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
I think if we are going to talk about | :03:18. | :03:25. | |
nationalisation, we need to be clear that the devil is in the detail. | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
We have to work out what would it cost, for how long? | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
An open-ended wholesale nationalisation without | :03:33. | :03:33. | |
taking exit strategy, without a clear plan | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
for when you would be putting it back into the private | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
sector would not be the right way to go. | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
The ideal option, and the most unlikely given Tata's | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
Actually Tata had announced recently in another part of their steel | :03:48. | :03:56. | |
business in the UK that they were planning to close down and a buyer | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
There was an announcement for part of their | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
business in Scotland where a buyer has been found. | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
It might require some sort of government support. | :04:06. | :04:14. | |
At present, no realistic candidate has put themselves forward. | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
It is also not clear how much the government can help. | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
The government could structure a series of loans to prop | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
But potentially this could fall foul of | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
Earlier this year, the EU competition commissioner | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
announced an investigation into 2 billion euros worth of state | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
support that the Italian government gave to the struggling | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
And those who argue that leaving the EU would free the government's | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
It is almost unthinkable that Britain would not still be subject | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
to European competition laws as part of a trade deal, | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
The IPPR think tank has estimated that 15,000 | :04:47. | :04:54. | |
jobs at Tata UK would go and even more in the supply chain | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
In the shadow of the steelworks on a sunny afternoon on Aberavon | :04:58. | :05:09. | |
beach, residents are assessing | :05:10. | :05:10. | |
I don't know if the government are going to do anything. | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
If they are going to help even in the short-term, | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
but it is 40,000 jobs just in Port Talbot | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
It is a lot of people to try to find work in a short space of time | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
Mr Cameron does not seem to be interested in saving the steel | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
If they bail out the steelworks, you have other industries saying, | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
You're going to get that question as well. I work for a small contracting | :05:35. | :05:48. | |
company, if we didn't run our business properly, nobody would be | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
thinking of trying to bail us out. Whatever happens next, there's a | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
good chance that this part of Wales will be changing. At the moment, no | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
one is quite sure how. I'm joined by the former Chancellor | :06:00. | :06:08. | |
of the Exchequer Kenneth Clarke and Paul Mason, the economics | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
journalist, formerly of Newsnight and now an author. Kenneth Clarke, | :06:12. | :06:20. | |
you heard the man in Wales saying that the government doesn't seem to | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
be interested in saving the plant. There isn't a plan, and the problem | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
is that it isn't 15,000, not even the supply chain, it is the local | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
communities that will be devastated if there is and a plan. Everyone | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
will do whatever they can for the community. It is devastating and you | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
have to think of what you can do in the interests of the thousands of | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
people who are working there, a lot of people around that area, I know | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
south Wales and I often drive past Port Talbot. Drive past it? It would | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
be eight devastating blow if it goes but you do have two... You have to | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
have a serious plan as to how exactly you are going to save | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
whatever parts of the steel business have a long-term future. You can't | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
just go for a knee jerk reaction of saying we will take it on, whatever | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
it costs, the government losing ?1 million a day, putting billions of | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
pounds in, when a good company like Tata can't see any future in doing | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
that. Kenneth Clarke is right, the government can't just put in ?1 | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
million a day indefinitely. The point about having secretaries of | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
state isn't to put yourself in a position where you need to take a | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
knee jerk reaction. He has been in power for nearly a year. Over the | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
last 48 hours we have seen what one man armed with a crazy private | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
ideology that only he seems to be interested in and what Dot lot of -- | :07:54. | :08:04. | |
and what incompetence can do. Sajid Javid has destroyed it and it is | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
certain to be nationalised. Kenneth you just heard him clutching at | :08:07. | :08:15. | |
straws, maybe they will sell it to someone, tell us, secretary of | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
state. Is it possible to sell it in bits, rather than a buyer, a global | :08:22. | :08:28. | |
company? Possible, nobody wants in their right mind to nationalise | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
something like this because it would take a long-term turnaround plan to | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
get it back into the private sector. The problem is, Tata Steel is a | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
collection of plants that do different things. You could sell | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
them off, hand them to the workforce as mutuals separately, but most | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
steel industries in the world operate at scale because they have | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
to draw capital from other sources and simply taking Scunthorpe, or | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
Port Talbot and turning them into a separate business, doesn't | :09:01. | :09:01. | |
necessarily secure its long-term future. From a strategic point of | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
view, can you imagine a United Kingdom without a steel industry, a | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
major steel industry? I hope we have a United Kingdom which has a good, | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
modern steel industry which is probably very much specialised, and | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
fast products being produced at a rate which is competitive. It makes | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
me nostalgic to hear 1960s leftism back in fashion, I heard this went I | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
was a young man. It was a catastrophe and we were closing | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
steel plants even when we had a nationalised British steel. Some of | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
these plants obviously have a future. We have sold some recently. | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
Why isn't there a buyer for these ones? Because is losing ?1 million a | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
day and there is a worldwide collapse in commodity prices. There | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
is a surplus capacity in the Far East, but all over Europe and what | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
you can't do is to say, we are going to put, however much it takes our | :10:03. | :10:11. | |
steel industry. Let's come back to what Ken Clarke said, we don't know | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
it is losing ?1 million a day, a week, in what sector, we need to | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
know. There is a reporter, McKenzie, Stephen Kinnock, the union community | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
took a long time to draw up and take it to Mumbai and Tata said it isn't | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
good enough. How do you respond to the accusation that it is 60s | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
leftism? It was a disaster before. These industries have gone anyway. | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
It is all very well dissing nationalisation until the banking | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
system collapses, half of the banking system in this country and | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
Europe had to be nationalised. Radical leftism, the kind you heard | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
from John McDonnell isn't obsessed with nationalisation, it's about | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
shaping the market, understanding we are a national market in a global | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
space and what companies want is long-term predictability. Sajid | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
Javid cannot give Tata or anybody else long-term predictability | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
because he doesn't believe in the industry. Tim Farron mentioned this | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
as well, if the Conservatives supported nationalising the banks, | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
which they did, what is different about nationalising steel, even | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
taking it short-term? The banks had to be nationalised because if you | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
don't have a banking system, the rest of the economy collapses. So it | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
is OK for Port Talbot to collapse? We closed things with consequences | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
for the committee but we didn't just read in. If you're looking for a | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
future for that part of British steel which has a future, you need | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
people who know something about the steel industry, who look at the | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
market and decide if it has a future. What about the long game? We | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
know that China is nationalised and that production will go down. Take | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
the long view that maybe we have to bail out for a period of time, and | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
deal with European Union rules, but losing it now would mean losing it | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
for ever? China sets out five-year plans and what they have done is to | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
say that 1.5 million people are going to lose their jobs as they | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
make closures of the plants which they don't have any -- don't think | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
have any future and they are looking for talented, a consumer -based | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
economy to build their future. The real way of looking after | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
communities is to actually support and help those who have a prospect | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
of being able to be a success, provide a good living for a | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
generation to come. If you get a steel company who wants to buy parts | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
of this plant, they will have done a proper study of it, it won't be | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
based on ideology. They will have decided how they can get costs under | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
control, what products have a future and the market. We had Rolls-Royce, | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
money was put in, the government has put money into different things, | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
even at a loss for a while. Do you, even from the mood music from David | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
Cameron, refused to rule out the possibility that he will | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
nationalise? He will have two nationalise some or all of those | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
plants. If there is one party looks after the interests of the Chinese | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
steelworker it is the Conservatives who have wasted nothing in vetoing | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
the tariffs that Europe wanted to put on the Chinese steel that was | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
dumped and we know from Tata's statements to the press was the | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
"Last straw" in convincing them that the British government had no belief | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
in steel. We need a long-term plan, a government that believes in | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
intervening to save strategic industries and Sajid Javid does not | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
believe in the industry. We put tariffs on China where they are | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
dumping, we have agreed European tariffs but we can't go in for a | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
tariff war. There are hundreds of thousands of jobs in this country | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
which may benefit if we build up our own exports to China. And we are | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
building up our exports to China. A great market for the future. To | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
start engaging in a tariff war with China, and excluding products and | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
thinking that they won't retaliate and take anything exclude us from | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
China, is going back to the 1930s, even older and nonsense stuff. None | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
of these proposals being put forward had anything to deal with the real | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
problem, can someone who runs the steel business identified this | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
business, or parts of it and identify an investment plan and put | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
it back on its feet? There is no ideological or political solution. | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
The government has no alternative. The law in England says that schools | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
have to offer a broad education. Most children are taught | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
subjects including English, maths, science, geography | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
and history, but not all children. A small private community of strict | :15:08. | :15:09. | |
orthodox Jews in London known as the Haredi Jews, who have | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
withdrawn from some modern secular culture, | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
are running at least a dozen illegal consists almost entirely | :15:16. | :15:17. | |
of religious studies. Newsnight has discovered that some | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
of these secretive illegal schools are registered with the Charities | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
Commission simply as charities, We spoke to some former pupils | :15:24. | :15:25. | |
of these illegal schools who feel that their lives have been ruined | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
by a lack of proper education. Chris Cook has this exclusive | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
report. I am very unhappy with | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
the education I received. I have a distorted | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
view of the world. I am 25 now and my level | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
of education is just This is one of Britain's quietest | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
and most private communities, yet, despite keeping itself | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
to itself, it is getting unwanted 30,000 Haredi Jews, followers | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
of a variety of strict Orthodox traditions, live around | :16:06. | :16:12. | |
here in Stamford Hill, The authorities are worried | :16:13. | :16:14. | |
about some of their private boys' schools which, contrary to the law, | :16:15. | :16:24. | |
are not registered. Current and former community members | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
estimate there are between a dozen and 20 significantly sized illegal | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
schools that are uninspected, and offer a narrow syllabus, | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
teaching up to 1000 boys. Now one of the oldest | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
principles about how England regulates its schools is that | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
parents should have the right have the right to educate | :16:45. | :16:46. | |
their own children according A second principle is no child | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
should be given an education so narrow they can't do | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
what they would like to do in adulthood, and sometimes | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
in religious communities, whether Muslim, Christian | :16:58. | :16:59. | |
or here in Stamford Hill, We met several former pupils | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
who have left the community and feel their education | :17:03. | :17:12. | |
in the illegal schools was poor. They are anonymous because their | :17:13. | :17:14. | |
families would be upset by their participation | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
in this report. Despite growing up in London, | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
English is a second language Their words are spoken by actors | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
with similar accents. Basically, just imagine a school | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
of 200, 300 years ago. We only used Yiddish | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
at home and school. I feel my whole childhood has | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
been taken away from me. Haredi parents tend to educate | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
their girls in relatively mainstream schools, but lots want a religious | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
education in Yiddish for their boys. They want a primary education before | :17:53. | :18:02. | |
the age of 13 with only an hour We weren't taught any | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
geography because why? If we stay in this enclave | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
all of our lives, why Any other subjects other | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
than English and maths, But even English and maths was only | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
the very minimum for After the age of 13 or so, | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
some parents want an almost exclusively religious education | :18:28. | :18:34. | |
in so-called yeshivas Now some of these schools | :18:35. | :18:35. | |
are registered but community members defend the right of schools | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
to remain unregistered. They fear the authorities will not | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
respect their curriculum choices The authorities are dedicated | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
to closing the illegal schools down but still, | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
we found them pretty easily. It is late morning and we | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
are in Stamford Hill. We have been here since 6am and have | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
been doing roughly what the council does when they hear a report | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
of a suspected illegal school. They turn up and watch to see | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
if young boys are turning up Sure enough, between 6am and 8am, | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
we saw boys turn up for their school day at around four sites | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
around Stamford Hill, none of whom are registered | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
with the Department We have since found that | :19:20. | :19:21. | |
whistle-blowers have notified the DfE about all four | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
of those schools. But we learned when they | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
investigated one of them, they found only adults | :19:34. | :19:35. | |
learning there. So to check on what we saw, | :19:36. | :19:36. | |
we got a Yiddish speaker to ring that unregistered yeshiva, posing | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
as a parent of a 13-year-old boy. Our caller asked when | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
the school day started. We begin | :19:46. | :19:56. | |
the day at morning prayer. However there is probably | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
a dawn framework for those And those who want to come, | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
when did they start? I'm not here in the morning | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
so I don't know. So when is morning | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
prayer, eight, 8:30am? And then in the evening, | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
the students are there until 9pm? How many, the junior yeshiva | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
is reasonably big nowadays, When asked what was on the syllabus | :20:14. | :20:27. | |
the school listed no secular And there is only one | :20:28. | :20:40. | |
place at this school, which is registered | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
with the Charities Commission, so they get tax advantages, | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
something the British Humanist Association found | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
in other cases too. By being allowed to register | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
as charities, these schools are being given access to tax | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
and other financial benefits that supplements the hundreds | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
of thousands of pounds of money That means this is not just a matter | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
for the Department in a regulatory sense to sort out, it also | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
is a serious matter for the Charity We have been asked not to reveal | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
the schools' locations Being unregistered puts these | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
schools outside child protection processes or normal health | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
and safety oversight. The school we rang up is housed | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
in a building that failed a fire brigade fire safety | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
inspection last year. The critical question however | :21:27. | :21:27. | |
is about whether parents should be able to ask for such a narrow | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
education for their own children. I am angry but the thing is I don't | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
know who to address that anger at. Because my parents were | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
brainwashed to live like this. They believe this is the lifestyle | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
they need to live. So they did not do it to harm me | :21:43. | :21:52. | |
so I can't hate them for that. Why do I need at this age to do | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
things I should have done ten, It is stopping me from getting | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
opportunities someone else my age can get just because I have | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
got no qualifications, and that is why I am | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
struggling now with my job. Their parents and teachers gave them | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
a highly intellectual, very sophisticated education | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
for the life they planned They have rejected that and gone off | :22:17. | :22:17. | |
into the world outside. So they have to start again, | :22:18. | :22:26. | |
they have to acquire an education And this headteacher | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
of a registered Haredi school feels his | :22:30. | :22:38. | |
education was excellent. My experience of the yeshiva, | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
which was unregistered, I attended a yeshiva from the age | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
of 14 and I spent the majority Now you should know that these | :22:47. | :22:56. | |
studies are challenging I feel, and I know that when I went, | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
the days I spent in the yeshiva and years I spent, I have gained | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
the vital skills of logical The yeshiva has put great emphasis | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
on building confidence through public speaking | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
or leading prayers. Now defenders of the community | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
insist boys can retrain for life outside Stamford Hill | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
if that is what they want. I spent a lot of time learning | :23:25. | :23:34. | |
equations for physics. Have you ever use that | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
since she left school? And you are a successful journalist | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
and television reporter. If I wanted to study | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
physics at university Yes but you did not know that | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
until you made your decision Yes, but I had the option to study | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
physics at University because I had All Jewish children have the option | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
of studying any subject When you talk about an adult of 17, | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
18, 19, the parents have no control over the child, the child or young | :23:59. | :24:07. | |
adult makes their decision The headteacher thinks | :24:08. | :24:09. | |
that the Haredi primaries have been getting better, | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
which is the key to They were let down in a primary | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
school system up to the age of Year 9 where the provision of secular | :24:17. | :24:29. | |
studies was not good enough. And I said we are currently doing | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
a huge amount to improve the standards of secular education | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
and I am not convinced that a fundamental change | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
to the structure of the education These schools are unlike the many | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
mainstream Jewish faith schools in England that offer a broad | :24:40. | :24:50. | |
curriculum but lots of Haredi parents use illegal schools | :24:51. | :24:52. | |
precisely because they don't want a broad curriculum and they fear | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
that if the illegal schools were registered, they would need | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
to become less specialised, or even forced to close | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
by the Department for Education. We are joined by the President but | :25:01. | :25:13. | |
first Chris Cooke is here and you have statements from various bodies | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
after the film. Starting with the Department for Education, the | :25:20. | :25:28. | |
ultimate regulator. They say unregistered schools are illegal and | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
unsafe and they are taking direct action to protect children and it | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
sounds similar to the Ofsted statement to note that Ofsted | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
established a task force to investigate unregistered schools and | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
since November the Chief inspector has commissioned the inspection of | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
eight schools seven of which they have close. The charities commission | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
make an appearance and they say that charities must comply with the | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
charity rules and any other regulators' rules and will assess | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
information and liaise with the Department for Education if | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
necessary. What do you make of this. It was a fair film and highlighted | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
how some schools operate in an illegal environment where they | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
present a terrible health and safety fears to the children. I do not | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
condone lawbreaking. Why do you think a number, a substantial number | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
of Haredi parents take the step of sending children to unregistered | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
schools? Because they want the children to have what is a | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
curriculum which to the mainstream part of the Jewish community and | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
most people in this country appears restricted and narrow. Because they | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
are taught what the parents believed to be essential Jewish values and | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
give them what they regard as the priorities of an intensive Jewish | :26:56. | :27:03. | |
education in biblical texts. The schools are essentially conservative | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
and they are not extremists. No child from these schools will ever | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
come out and do any violent act, they are respectful and well | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
mannered children. But they are not prepared for the outside world. The | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
young man said he had the education of a ten, 11-year-old. Do you think | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
parents have the right to prevent children from having a rounded | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
education? Parents need to comply with the law, which should be | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
upheld, which is there should be a National Curriculum that prepares | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
children of all faiths for life in the outside world. There are Haredi | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
schools that are registered and comply with the curriculum will stop | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
the majority of Haredi schools are high performing schools. You are | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
talking of a very small, narrow fringe of schools. 1000 children, | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
unfortunately. That is an estimate, there could be hundreds of children | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
at these schools. Why do you think that neither Ofsted and the | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
Department for Education do not go into these buildings that could be | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
condemned, and shut them down? If you shut them now, what happens to | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
the children, where did they go? There are not necessarily places in | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
other schools in Hackney for them to go to. A better policy must be for | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
public bodies to work with communities and schools, as we saw | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
from the report, the head teacher, show the communities there is a | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
better way forward. We have been in too many Haredi schools, to discuss | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
with them difficult subjects they have not yet been prepared to work | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
out how to convey to the children. It has to be a sensitive discussion | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
to bring the schools forward rather than drive them somewhere | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
underground. Do you think the approach of Ofsted towards faith | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
schools is wanting when it comes to Haredi schools? I think it is. I do | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
not think there has been a clear understanding of the community's | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
traditions and they have gone in heavy-handed. Catholic schools, | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
Kristian schools, the Jewish schools, it is not just Haredi | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
schools, we have had inspectors go to primary schools and ask young | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
children if they have a boy or girl friends and the children do not | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
understand the question at that age. All sorts of cultural assumptions by | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
the inspectors without sensitivity to the culture of the communities. | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
I'm interested in the idea that for parents, you heard the professor | :29:41. | :29:49. | |
saying that you can get an education after but in society, the way it is | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
today, with jobs and so forth, it is virtually impossible to go from | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
being an educated nine, ten-year-old, to being 25 and | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
getting a job in the steel industry, physics, and it means a lot of life | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
isn't open to them. You would be surprised how quickly children who | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
may have had a particularly narrow education until the age of 16, after | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
which they can learn whenever they like, can quickly adapt, but I agree | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
with you, it is really important that all of our children can be | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
prepared for the life outside. Thank you for joining us. | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
Dame Zaha Hadid, who died today at the age of 65, | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
created some of the world's greatest and most imaginative architecture, | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
from the Vitra Fire Station in Germany to the London Aquatic | :30:41. | :30:50. | |
Centre, from the Maxxi Museum of 21st Century Arts in Rome | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
to the the intimate Maggie's Cancer Care Centre | :30:53. | :30:54. | |
in Kirkcaldy in Fife, which was her very first building | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
The Iraqi-British architect was famous for creating exaggerated | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
curves and elongated angles, and personally was very | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
She once said that women are always told they won't make it. | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
She won the Pritzker Arhcitecture Prize, the Stirling Prize, twice, | :31:15. | :31:23. | |
and last year was the first woman to win the Riba Gold Award. | :31:24. | :31:38. | |
Julia Peyton-Jones new Zaha Hadid very well because she was a trustee | :31:39. | :31:50. | |
at the Serpentine Gallery. For you, of course, Zaha Hadid was a good | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
friend but how did you first come to work with her when she was a | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
trustee? Our former chairman invited her to join the board and Zaha was | :32:02. | :32:10. | |
famous for not getting up early. She only attended two trustee meetings | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
although she was very active side of them. Peter turned to me in one | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
meeting and asked me whether we should talk about the mention a | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
ball, and then we talked about charges which the board knew that I | :32:25. | :32:33. | |
was against -- unmentionable. She was an amazing visionary and | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
architect and also trustee. I asked her to do the Fed up of a temporary | :32:41. | :32:48. | |
shop while we were renovating the Serpentine Gallery and she arrived | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
with Patrik Schumacher and another member of staff and they took up so | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
much room there was no room for anybody else. She was the first | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
architect to design your annual summer pavilion. I think we can see | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
that now. She was the first architect, that is now an | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
established tradition. What did she bring to the Serpentine with that | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
building? At the time it was an extraordinary commission. It was | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
only going to be up for one night. It was to celebrate our 30th | :33:23. | :33:33. | |
anniversary. We asked her to design a tented structure for the same | :33:34. | :33:41. | |
budget as for another one and she gazed with it in the same | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
enthusiastic way. It was so remarkably successful that Chris | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
Smith, the distinguished Secretary of State for culture, media and | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
sport, kept it up. The last commissioner for you, the building | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
at the Serpentine which is only building in central London. Yes, we | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
decided to take over the former ammunition and thought, 1805, and it | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
was a very complicated process to secure the rights to do this from | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
the Royal Parks. We asked her to design it. She was charming to them, | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
I imagine? She took it on with enormous enthusiasm and she did a | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
visionary design. As an architect, what do you think was what made her | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
so special? I think her fearlessness, the fact that she had | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
extraordinary restless energy, the fact that everything she did was | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
predicated on drawing and painting, that was the heart of her practice. | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
And the fact that she became ever more confident, ambitious, grand and | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
extraordinary in the best possible way. She is built all over the | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
world. But for us, she was never afraid to do projects that were | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
small. Whilst concurrently doing the most ambitious. For you and her, | :34:59. | :35:04. | |
what do you think is her most loved building that she has done, beyond | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
the Serpentine? Two, the first is the Vitra Fire Station and the other | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
is the Maxxi. Maxxi in Rome. It is an extraordinary building, which is | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
a series of reveals. Wherever you go you have another perspective of the | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
building and the City. Finally, famously and very difficult for her, | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
Thailand pulled out of the football stadium and every country is now | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
going to wish they had one of the buildings. This is difficult to say | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
but all I can say is that we feel very privileged to have worked with | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
her and long may she reign. Thank you for joining us. | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
Another day of self-generated controversy for Donald Trump. | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
This time, a man who is spending millions of his own money in his bid | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
to be US president, but no need for a big publicity budget, | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
has withdrawn his proposal, made just hours ago, | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
that women who have abortions should face some form of punishment | :36:01. | :36:02. | |
When people come to write the history books about Donald Trump | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
and the presidency, whichever way it goes, | :36:08. | :36:09. | |
they may search for the origins of the idea. | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
As you know, we've inherited a Budget crunch from President | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
Well, remember when the last administration decided to invest | :36:18. | :36:29. | |
That was an episode of The Simpsons from the year 2000. | :36:30. | :36:37. | |
The writer of that episode Dan Greaney said he wrote it | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
because it was a vision of America going insane. | :36:41. | :36:42. | |
This is all you're doing, then? Oh, now I understand why my boss let me | :36:43. | :36:58. | |
come on this interview! I am the patsy, the fall guy! You are the one | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
who sets Donald Trump on this path. No, no. If you like something in the | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
script, I wrote it, but if you don't, it is a very collaborative | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
process, a lot of people involved! The show runner has the final say. | :37:14. | :37:22. | |
Team sport. But tell me, did Donald Trump, to your knowledge, ever see | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
or comment on that episode of the Simpsons? I don't think he has ever | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
commented on it and I certainly don't know if he's seen it. Do you | :37:30. | :37:36. | |
think that people laughed at Donald Trump for too long? I think | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
President Obama might have laughed at it for too long. It seemed to me | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
that at the roast about two years ago when Obama was talking and Trump | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
got really steamed and if there was the inception moment, that might | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
have been it. Let us play this at the doorstep of the president. -- | :37:58. | :38:06. | |
lay this. The Simpsons have returned to the subject of Donald Trump since | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
he put his hat in the ring. As a comedy writer, Donald Trump is such | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
a controversialist, so is it hard as a comedy writer to best it? He has | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
become hard to write about. The Simpsons is a fine show -- fun show | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
and we want people to enjoy it and in the old days, Donald Trump was | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
very consistent, over the top and kind of lovable, so you could have | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
fun with him and even up to his announcement, going down the | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
escalator in this strange tableau, we were able to have an affectionate | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
and good mannered time with it but then he started talking. I don't | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
know what to do with the person he is revealing himself to be at this | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
point in his life, and it isn't much fun. The person he is revealing | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
himself to be is a person that a very substantial number of Americans | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
seem to identify with. This isn't a joke candidacy. Not at all. I think | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
Donald Trump is reflecting that there is something wrong in the | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
American body politic. The American people are a bit sick of what is | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
going on and Donald Trump is kind of what they have coughed up, you know. | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
That's maybe why he is orange! Well... The Simpsons have a track | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
record of predicting things that may happen and I wonder if you have any | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
plans to return to the Trump character or to allude to him in | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
some way in the run-up to November? You know, the show said that there | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
was a president Trump and we didn't say there was a president Donald | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
Trump. It is entirely possible that we are talking about a future Trump | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
presidency of perhaps a more reasonable and grounded Trump, such | :39:56. | :40:03. | |
as Ivanka which may not be as much of a good survey as a Donald Trump | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
presidency. He fails and they pick up the Mandalay to run. Is this | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
something that has been discussed in meetings, the idea that Ivanka may | :40:14. | :40:21. | |
be a possible candidate? It hasn't Yarde | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
it hasn't come up and we are hesitant to wait any deeper into the | :40:25. | :40:32. | |
subject. Our production schedule doesn't allow us to get an episode | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
out before he loses the election. We talk about it in the room and maybe | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
we will do another short promo, something like that. But I wouldn't | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
rule out a Trump presidency but a Donald Trump presidency is very | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
unlikely. So you are saying he's going to lose the presidency in your | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
view, but the Simpsons is a show which turned out surprises? I could | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
be wrong. I am Ronnie Lott -- I am wrong way lot but right now the mass | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
Dyer maths does not look good for him. If we go on the assumption that | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
the show is right, I'm going with the possibility that a different | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
Trump is elected, a gentler and smarter Trump, Ivanka, vote Ivanka. | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
Thank you for joining us. I'm afraid that's all we have time for. From | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
here, good night. Another cold one, certainly across | :41:27. | :41:43. | |
England and Wales, some frost first thing but Scotland and Northern | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
Ireland, the weather is changing, wet day in Northern Ireland and the | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
West of Scotland, creeping across. Some rain in north-west England and | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
Wales but many will stay dry. Far from dry in Northern Ireland, | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
breezy, wet and cold, the same in western Scotland. The rain getting | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
into the West Coast although the Moray Firth may stay dry. | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
Temperatures | :42:07. | :42:07. |