26/04/2016 Newsnight


In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Evan Davis. The show is live in Liverpool as the city reacts to the Hillsborough verdicts.

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And the story emerges is that one of the outside gates leading into that


terrace was broken. People without tickets got in and were therefore


overcrowding the people with tickets and that is why the crush occurred.


The vast majority of that Lott had been drinking, the ones arriving


late. I welcome the enquiry which will reveal the true nature and


cause of this terrible tragedy. I think anyone who looks at the nature


of the offence, when they are placed in the position of having the


knowledge those officers have, I think they will view it very


differently. I think drink was a factor. The police certainly aren't


to blame. The suggestion that two people, one the Chief Constable of


the biggest police force outside of London, and one about to become the


Lord Chief Justice, get together and cook the books is ridiculous. Now


you can all believe us. Unlawful. Today I want to apologise


unreservedly to the families and those affected.


So, Liverpool 1, South Yorkshire police, Yorkshire ambulance


services, successive inquiries, in fact, the whole bloody


establishment that failed to stop a Hillsborough cover up...


This is the scene here tonight - St George's Hall festooned


with banners, truth, justice, decorated with candle-lit lanterns.


This is to be the location of a commemoration tomorrow


A collective sigh of relief that the record at last now shows


that South Yorkshire Police, by allowing thousands of extra fans


to pour into an already over-crowded stadium, were grossly


The deaths were unlawful, not just an accident.


And crucially, the fans were not in any way to blame


It took a while and several goes, but British justice


In fairness, the truth of what happened has been


There was an apology from the Prime Minister in 2012.


But today, the conclusion of an official inquest is the most


important milestone in a long journey.


Panorama journalist Alastair Jackson looks at the police cover-up and why


it took so long for the survivors and relatives of the victims to get


There are fans on the pitch in the six yard area. The referee will have


to stop the game. Hillsborough, Britain's worst stadium disaster. A


cup semifinal when 96 supporters lost their lives. Now, finally, a


quarter of a century later, a story about justice achieved. All of those


people didn't deserve to die in the circumstances in those pens on the


15th of April 19 89. I just prayed, put my hands together and prayed to


my son and the other 95, please God, you are going to sleep well tonight,


James. An extraordinary verdict, so clear, so people utterly exonerating


the fans, and the families condemn the South Yorkshire Police and did


it with clarity and understanding of the evidence. Hillsborough should


never been a tragedy where the facts are hard to determine. Thousands had


seen what happened here and the chaos of the emergency response that


followed had captured on television. There are a number of fans seriously


injured. But the lies started straight after the disaster and the


match commander, is Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield


told officials from the Football Association that fans had forced


open a gate. It was a rumour that reached the BBC commentary box. I


have got an explanation. The story emerges that one of the outside


gates leading into that terrace was broken. People without tickets got


in, were therefore overcrowding the people with tickets and that is why


the crash occurred. Four months later, Lord Justice Taylor concluded


the disaster was down to a failure of police control. He played and


David Duckenfield for a blunder of the first magnitude. The decision to


close off the entrance to this part of the terrorism would have


prevented the disaster. Instead, it was left open and thousands of


supporters flooded onto it, causing a crush. The Taylor report should


have ended the debate about who was to blame for Hillsborough. Instead,


it was the last time the truth came anywhere near the surface. It was


buried by a South Yorkshire Police cover up, that wanted to put the


blame on the fans. I am saying, if police officers had been in there


when this mob surged through, the police officers would have been


trampled to death underneath. The vast majority had been drinking, the


ones arriving late and they will not be told where to go, well do


anything you are trying to do. What can you do? Behind-the-scenes,


police statements had been altered to take out criticism of the


emergency response. One South Yorkshire Police officer said he was


there when the cover-up was planned. I attended the meeting on the Monday


morning. And it was clearly put to the meeting that the organisation


was going to put the blame on the drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans


for what happened on the previous Saturday. They were going to go out


and look at the evidence did Rivette. They had formed the


hypothesis and they've got the evidence to prove that point. The


inquest heard re-things were given on the night of the disaster by


South Yorkshire Police officers in their sports and social club. These


claims formed the basis of the sun newspaper headlines discrediting the


fans. The suspicion Liverpool supporters were to blame has


lingered ever since. As well as ruling the killings were unlawful,


the jury concluded the fans were in there were to blame. For the first


time the jury concluded many of the supporters died after 3:15pm the


controversial cut-off point set by the original coroner. The last death


could has been as late as five p.m.. The jury said South Yorkshire


Ambulance Service delayed declaring a major incident. Only two regular


ambulances made it onto the field. The rest were outside with no


direction as the injured died inside the ground. It has taken 25 years,


but these verdicts make it clear it was the decisions taken by the


authorities here and not the behaviour of supporters, that cause


Britain's worst football disaster. I want to make it absolutely clear, we


unequivocally accept the verdict of unlawful killing and the wider


findings reached by the jury in the Hillsborough inquest. On the 15th of


April 1989, South Yorkshire Police got the policing of the FA Cup


semifinal at Hillsborough, catastrophically wrong. The judgment


opens the door for criminal prosecutions to follow. But for the


Hillsborough families today, it is all about a vindication.


The journalist Peter Marshall was at Hillsborough


His Panorama three years ago, on the mistakes made that day


and the efforts made year after year to stop anyone finding out


Peter, for someone who went back to the first enquiry and had seen the


conclusion is that it was the fault of the police and not the fans, what


has changed, what really is new about what we have got today over


what we haven't learned then. Learned in the Taylor enquiry? Yes.


They said there was an error of the first magnitude made by the match


commander. But they didn't say today as the jury said, that the 96 people


were unlawfully killed but it was gross manslaughter. There was no


conclusion. It is a giant step. It is not just the police, this is the


first time a jury has laid the blame on the South Yorkshire Ambulance


Service. In the Taylor enquiry, the Ambulance Service were praised, a


knee jerk reaction. This jury said, they didn't do a good job and the


rescue attempt was abysmal and people may have died because of the


failure of their rescue attempt, them and the police. There is


criticism of Sheffield Wednesday football club because there was no


signage and they had failed to have a proper turnstile system and there


is criticism of the engineers for the capacity because it was too


high, given the restrictions with the fences. Also they fail to update


the safety certificate. So a lot more blame to go around. What


happens now? What happens next? There are two major in criminal


investigations. Operation resolve under the former Chief Constable of


Durham and also the Independent Police Complaints Commission


enquiry, the IPCC, their biggest enquiry going on. They will finish


by the end of the ear, supposedly. They are doing a lot of work. Going


through a lot of witnesses and interviews. The IPCC is looking at


what happened after the disaster, the alleged cover-up and what


happens before the disaster is part of the remit of operation resolve.


But there is a lot of overlap. It is not just individuals being looked at


here. We know David Duckenfield has been interviewed under caution. But


potential suspects, include not just individuals but organisations. South


Yorkshire Police are not the only force under investigation. West


Midlands Police... They did the first investigation into South


Yorkshire Police? Yes, they reported the first flawed inquest and


supplied evidence to the Taylor enquiry. They also supplied evidence


to the DPP of the day which gave South Yorkshire Police a clean bill


of health. And you can see Peter Marshall's


report for us on Hillsborough With me now is Andy Burnham Home


Secretary -- Shadow Home Secretary and a solicitor representing the


families. Marcy, 27 years, what is your reaction to what happened


today? There are no words. Even as a lawyer, I am stunned. Expressions of


joy, the light, sorrow, sadness. There are no words that can describe


it, it is an amazing, remarkable day and an historical day. Not just for


the families but for Liverpool, and for football. Andy Burnham, the


South Yorkshire Police came out and apologised today. You would have


listened to that apology, I just wondered what you made of it? I


didn't make much of it, to be honest. The South Yorkshire Police


apologised after the Hillsborough Independent Panel report in 2012.


The question for them tonight is why did they go back on that apology at


this inquest and not repeat their admission of liability? Their


failure to do that lengthened this inquest, cost millions of pounds in


public money, but worst of all put the families through sheer hell


again. It went two years, this inquest, which is a very long


inquest, the longest we have ever known. And you are saying that lies


at the fault of the police, essentially trying to hold out


against admitting liability? Yes, the main criticism I make is of the


retired officers and their lawyers. They threw the old slurs around in


this court. When the High Court squash the original inquest, he said


he ruled the new inquest should not descend into an adversarial battle.


Sadly, and deeply regrettably, that is exactly what happened. That is


because the cover-up continued in this Warrington court room. I cannot


justify lies being told with public money in a court room. How was it


for the families of the victims, going through this inquest? It


wasn't easy. It was difficult, painful. These families have had 25


years and they are tenacious and they wanted the inquest. What this


day has proved is the result of the inquest process. One of the most


amazing processes in the world in terms of looking at depths, where


there have been questions, whether has been involved. It has been a


really hard process but they have prevailed and finally tonight their


loved ones can rest in peace for the first time in 27 years. One of the


differences this time, they have much better state financed, legal


representation. How much of a difference did that make? An amazing


difference. In this inquest, for the first time, there was an equality of


arms. This is needed in every inquest. Nine times out of ten, in


fact, ten times out of ten there is an inequality, and as Margaret


Aspinall said today, they families stand alone why the state is


represented... By someone who is saying, it wasn't us. Inquest


cemented the inquisitive, but many times they are adversarial.


A question for inquests in the future? Yes and I will raise that in


the House tomorrow. Also, please visit should no longer be able to


retire just to escape proceedings. There needs to be a change in the


law to say that you can't go off on all health to escape all


accountability. We've had truth and justice, now there must be


accountability. As we stand looking at this today, what do you think of


English justice? Has it worked? It did get there in the end, the truth


came out. Or is it a catastrophic failure that it has taken so long


for the official verdict to reach this point? There have been failures


and it has taken a long time. But look, truth, justice, I say no more.


27 years, two long, but... This legal team have been brilliant for


the families and I pay tribute to them. But in the end there is a


positive. This country, although 27 years on, has in the end been able


to look itself in the mirror and own up to some of the darkest failings


in our past and that is a positive. The great big positive is for this


city of Liverpool. In the aftermath, victimised, the slurs. They stood


together, the people of this city. They understood what true solidarity


means. Because of that solidarity, this city has prevailed and in the


end the cloud has been lifted. Thank you very much indeed, both.


Perhaps one lesson of Hillsborough is not to always think


Back in 1989, the bad reputation of football fans,


the aftermath of the Heysel stadium disaster, conspired to make it


easy to link any crowd problem to hooliganism.


Add a little misinformation fed to a credulous newspaper or two,


and it became almost impossible for some people to ever shed


the view that the fans must themselves have been responsible.


One might say that the police diversion and cover-up


was astonishingly successful, as it took more than 20 years


For those there on the day though, there was never any


One person there was Peter Hooton, the vocalist


He gave us his reflections on the effect of Hillsborough


That date is etched into the consciousness


As we travel to Sheffield on that beautiful, sunny spring morning,


nothing could have prepared us for that day when 96 innocent men,


women and children lost their lives at a football match watching


For over a quarter of a century, I've known the truth.


After all, I was an eyewitness, I saw Liverpool fans, in the words


of Justice Taylor in 1989, "initiate and coordinate


I've always called them the heroes of Hillsborough.


I went on the pitch from the North stand about 20 minutes


Most people on the pitch that day, including me, where bewildered,


feeling hopeless, confused or inadequate.


I asked a line of policemen, deployed on the halfway line,


presumably to stop what they thought was a pitch invasion,


But they said they couldn't move as they were waiting for orders.


The things I witnessed that day would haunt me for many years.


In the days after the disaster, the city of Liverpool


As we tried to come to terms with our grief and our loss,


and even before the families had a chance to bury their dead,


we were subjected to a classic smear campaign.


A false narrative was promoted to deflect the blame away from those


Or as Lord Stuart Smith's scrutiny said in 1997, the press reports


Neil Fitzmaurice was in the central pens that day.


He still holds papers like the Sun in contempt for what they


When there was a movement in the crowd, a surge, if you like,


you were going from here to five, six, seven feet away in seconds.


And it was just being carried along and people


You've got to remember we were on steps as well.


And when people were losing their footing and going under,


and when you were going under, you are never coming back up.


It got to the point with the people who had lost consciousness and worse


were popping up alongside us, because there was


When those papers come out, and it was talking


about the Liverpool fans hindering the police and saying


the most vulgar things and attacking the police,


It threw everything up in the air for me.


I didn't know what to believe in any more, it made me really panic.


But it was the authorities who had briefed the press with a fictitious


The city was no stranger to protest and standing up for its rights


But little did we know this would be the longest struggle in the history


Brian Reade is a campaigning journalist, who for years


struggled to get newspapers interested in printing the truth.


I think there is no doubt that Liverpool people,


by 1989 and the 90s, were used


to feeling that they were kind of, getting the bad end of the stick,


It was the whole Thatcher cuts to the council,


militants taking them on, there was the riots.


It was the butt of every comedian's joke.


And I think there had been a siege mentality, you take on one,


I've heard since, people have written to me and said this


could only really happen - this is outsiders from Liverpool,


said this could only really happen with Scousers, everyone else


would have given up a long time ago because they didn't have that


Today's historic verdict is a vindication for the 27 years


of struggle and solidarity against all the odds.


I just wish some of the families and campaigners who have


passed away could have witnessed this momentous day.


Peter Hooten there, who remembers the day all too well.


I'm joined by Julia Fallon, sister of Andrew Sefton, one


And Glynn Philips, a doctor who was there, who was caught up


Good evening to you both. Julie, tell us a little about Andrew. I see


his name was up there. If you had to stereotyping, you would say he is


-- he was a gentle giant. He was over six foot. He had a wicked sense


of humour, rather like my father. He wasn't a Liverpool fan, he was a


Tottenham fan, what was he doing, just driving his friends? Yes, he


was home for the weekend and they had a car and he had a spare ticket,


so it seemed like a perfect idea. We were just -- they were just looking


forward to a good day and the weather was nice and it was going to


be a good match. What was your memory of that day? How did you find


out what happened? I had just had my daughter and she was a matter of


weeks old and I had just ventured out for the first time, been out to


the shops that day, and I came home at 5pm and I was met with my father


and my husband really anxious and desperate and they had been trying


the emergency helpline, which wasn't any good at all. In the end it was


decided that they would travel to Sheffield while I stayed with my


daughter. They made the journey across and, like all the families


really, went from pillar to post and ended up identifying Andrew in the


early hours. In the early hours of the next morning. It really took


quite a long time to establish? Yes, yes. Just in terms of how it


affected your family... You have lost your parents since then? Yes,


they've both died. So they didn't get to hear this. My dad died on the


day that the inquests were quashed. I would like to think... I suppose


all I can say is it is a really hard concept for people I think, when


something has gone on for that amount of time committed becomes in


bedded in your life. As I say, my daughter was a matter of weeks old


when it happened and she has probably heard the word Hillsborough


in some guise or another for 27 years. Do you ever go a day without


thinking about it? No, and that is not because we are particularly


overly melancholy all we have no desire to move on, which has been


the common perception, it's just because we haven't had an


opportunity to move on, so therefore we have always still been there. As


a family and as a wider group of families, we've always had to be


thinking about what we're going to do next. Claim, you were a GP at the


time? -- Glynn. You tried to help? Yes, myself and my younger brother


and two friends, we were in Pen three as the crush developed. We


were fortunate enough to be able to escape to Pen two, by which time


people were being lifted over the fences onto the pitch in a state of


severe stress or injury and I made my way to try and assist and the


first person I came across was a 19-year-old boy in a state of


pulmonary arrest. I spent an amount of time with others resisting doing


CPR, hard to tell how long, and we managed to get his hard going again.


We ventilated him and got him into an ambulance and then I went to see


if there was anyone else I could help but by then there wasn't. When


it was all happening, how quickly could you tell it had gone from


uncomfortable to fatal? Was it just a matter of seconds? No, it was


minutes. The crush just gradually increased and increased. I'd been


asked this before, how I would describe it. I've been going to the


Kop at Anfield since I was 12, been to some of the biggest games you


could imagine. In many ways we loved the atmosphere. This was completely


different on an abnormal and sinister scale. One of the things


people have learnt today, people who perhaps have not followed it as


closely as you have, is that the emergency services did not perform


well. That was your experience? There was no organised response at


all, it was absolutely nightmarish chaos on that pitch. There was no


leadership at all. Does it feel today for each of you like an


enormous weight is off your shoulders? Yes, it does. It is


indescribable. I was going to say it's early days but it's the same


day. It is really, really difficult to explain what this means for the


rest of our lives really. It's a massive turning point and it's an


opportunity to put down years of duty, really. Because you can't just


turn your back... Which is more important, the unlawful death


verdict or the exoneration of the victims? For me, they have gone


hand-in-hand. I can't choose between the two. We had this, station before


and I just think if we had got one without the other, it would have


been a massive blow. With the two together, it's just wonderful. A big


day for you? Yes but primarily it is a day for the families. This is the


justice they have deserved for many years. It also affects all Liverpool


fans and the people of Liverpool. Those two points are important. They


are at different ends of the spectrum, the unlawful killing was


the massive one but I think it had been devalued -- it would have been


devalued if any blame had been apportioned to the fans will stop


what happened to the boy you help? What happened to the boy you help? I


lost contact with him that they can he was put in an ambulance and I


spent the next year almost believing that he had died. I went looking for


him a week later in Sheffield hospital. I discovered when I was


helping the police the next year that he had actually survived. He


did not survive unscathed, he suffered brain damage, but he did


survive. It has affected his life, he's never been able to work, he is


on constant medication, but his family are grateful that he survived


and that has been the best thing for me, that he did survive. Has the


experience changed you as a doctor? I don't think it really did but it's


difficult to say. Working in Scotland I was detached from it in


many ways. Being a GP, you're like a foot soldier, in the NHS, you just


get on with it. Maybe it did change the but I don't think it affected


the way I worked. It made me very, very sensitive to the criticism that


people of Liverpool have faced over the years and that for me is a big


weight off my shoulders today, the fact that I don't have too defend


Liverpool fans any more, the verdicts have done that for us. Yes,


it is a big moment. It is huge. Is this the end, are you waiting for


another phase, can you move on? There will be another phase but the


families will take from this, the opportunity to move on and whatever


follows, will be at best, a bonus. Thank you both the coming out


tonight. It has been for many years for Liverpool to defend its


reputation. It has gained a lot of solidarity and unity. And perhaps it


can at least enjoyed some pride in its complete vindication. James,


back to you in the studio. Today saw the first all-out strike


by junior doctors in England At its heart lies a new contract


that the Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, from whom we will hear


shortly, remains determined to impose but which the British


Medical Association insists Newsnight's Chris Cook has been


examining how this almighty impasse was reached and assessing


the likelihood of it Today, junior doctors


in England did something they have never done before,


they withdrew from offering even emergency care, leaving patients


to more senior doctors. The culmination of a long dispute


about a new contract It is a contract that


disadvantages women, it is a contract that is trying


to spread our services too thin. We are already struggling,


we are already stretched and they are trying to spread that


even further and that's Doctors were keen to knock down


the idea that this British Medical Association strike


was, itself, unsafe. Normally on our wards


during the weekends, bank holidays, we manage to cover with one junior


doctor on the ward. Today, on my ward there


is four consultants. So, what are the points


of difference between the British Medical Association


behind me here, and the government? The first one, the


biggest is imposition. It is the fact the government has


gone ahead with this contract Now the reason they've done


that is talks broke down. The government judged there was no


point continuing to negotiate. That's because on issues such as how


much doctors should get paid at the weekends and,


what happens when hospitals give doctors too many hours to work,


the two sides couldn't These are the hours


when you don't get overtime. Now, the imposed contract would make


overtime begin later in the evening on weekdays,


but here is the killer - the contract means Saturday daytime


will come without any Now, normal pay rates


would actually rise, but the contract normalises


Saturday working. The government says this is part


of its plan for a seven-day NHS. They said junior doctors need


to work more at weekends. I was a junior doctor,


we always find we are working at weekends and nights,


the times when ministers aren't and Parliament doesn't sit,


but the NHS is there for patients. So will the BMA


strategy actually work? Downing Street and the Department


of Health don't seem to be The BMA doesn't have a clear game


plan, if you like, for victory. But by extending the dispute


they hope it will First of all, there's a chance


something might just come up. For example, they could get


a new Health Secretary or Prime Minister, who might be


willing to compromise a bit more. Second, they hope with protests


like this they will be able to pile pressure on the government


so they might eventually change their mind about


the contract imposition. They point out, it's going to be


different but to do other things


while this is going on. For example, they want


to renegotiate the There is no chance a BMA insider


says, of that happening Do you expect there to be further


strikes after this week? You expect me to say,


and I'm going to say, We will see how it goes,


review what is happening. Where we think the dispute


is going and frankly, I do hope, still live in hope,


that by tomorrow morning the government will say,


OK, we realise now it was a bad idea If they do that, we will withdraw


the industrial action immediately. Labour's leadership joined the march


today, but will that help the BMA? Do you think Labour


support makes it harder No, I think what we are seeing


is the whole community I am hoping Jeremy Hunt recognises


now is the time to get back around You don't worry it will become


too politically poison? No, the whole community now is


urging for a negotiating settlement. We are part of that community


and we reflect, as others, the breadth of support that there


is for a negotiated settlement. There's another strike


tomorrow, more may follow. Perhaps longer ones


or even indefinite ones. No resolution is now possible


without one or both sides in this Earlier today, I spoke


to the Secretary of State for Health, Jeremy Hunt,


and began by asking him whether he still subscribed


to his previously expressed view that doctors were only striking


because they lack the wit to properly understand the deal


he has offered to them. The problem we had is that the BMA


were not prepared to sit around and discuss this


in a reasonable way. So you are saying. Does don't have


the wit to understand the offer you are making them?


No, I think many doctors don't actually understand the contents


of the new contract and nor do they understand how hard


the government has worked to try and reach an accommodation.


We have actually had 75 meetings over the three-year period.


We have looked at the number of concessions we made.


I will just say this, I think the reasonable


approach for a union, when a government is trying


to implement a manifesto commitment, is to sit down and talk.


Because this is something that will make the NHS safer and better.


So the manifesto commitment was to the principle of a seven-day


The detail is interesting, you mention doctors may not have


read the contract, I have been in touch with a few who have, all 80


We know it positively discriminate against women,


That's contained within the rubric of the contract itself,


it is a concession from your own department.


We know that under the terms of the new rota, you can finish


a shift at 1am or 2am in the morning and yet be expected to start your


next one at five o'clock the following afternoon.


Quite how that allows work, family balance or indeed travel


to and from hospital, is open to some speculation.


We also know there is no mandate, if you are doing too many hours,


for your supervisor to report it to the hospital guardian.


So again, it would seem the doctors may understand the terms of this


contract rather better than you are giving them credit for?


Interesting, because all the things you've just mentioned are areas


where we actually reached agreement with the BMA when we had


So the aspects of the contract was always safety.


Everything I just said is contained within


And what the current contract is, 90% of it was agreed with the BMA


when I lifted the imposition of the contract in December


to see if we could allow space for negotiations.


The two outstanding areas of disagreement were to do


with the Saturday pay rates and another aspect of


But if you look at Saturday pay, what we are offering doctors is more


premium pay for people who work regularly at weekends.


More than nurses, paramedics, health care assistants,


to work in their own operating theatres, more incidentally


So I think on that basis, withdrawing emergency care


for patients who depend on you is a very


Doctors are heading across the borders into Scotland,


Wales and Ireland to take up jobs that won't be subject


And the general feeling among the junior and senior doctors,


most of whom are in support of the strike in this country,


is that their profession is being denuded and denigrated,


so why not just meet the costs if that really is the only


Let's look at the money we are putting into the NHS.


This year we are putting an extra 3.5...


With respect, that's not an answer to the question I am asking?


It is a direct answer, you said why not meet the costs?


Will you continue to pay them as they currently are?


If you let me answer the question.


We are putting in an extra ?3.8 billion into the NHS this year.


This government is passionate about the NHS and what it stands


for and in this year it will be getting the sixth-biggest increase


And part of that additional money is to pay for the costs,


But we also know from the mistakes, frankly of previous governments,


that with that increase in resources you need to have a change in working


practices if we are going to be able to offer patients that same


high-quality care every day of the weekend.


What we are saying is in order for hospitals to be able to roster


more people at weekends, we need to bring down the premiums


It's still more generous than pretty much anywhere else


But we'll make sure no doctor is out of pocket by putting


But you know the anti-social banding hours make up around 30 to 50%


of many doctors' pay at the moment, so a 13% increase in basic pay


Again, that is miss-information because they are not going to get no


You have lots of small issues, but then you have the issues


of substance and the BMA's own words were that the only two


People will say, if it is an argument about weekend pay,


for a professional withdrawing emergency care, is a step too far.


You must be unhappy about how personal this has become


and the fact that many doctors feel that if the impasse is to be


breached, it would not be achievable on your watch.


Is that what you were subconsciously referring to this morning


when you said this would be your last big job in politics?


What I have always said is I would like to do this job


for five years, I want to be the Secretary of State who learns


the lessons from Mid Staffs and sets the NHS on a path to be the safest,


highest quality health care system in the world.


Secretary of State, thank you very much.


I should explain it wasn't my idea to conduct that interview with is


both standing up, it was Jeremy Hunt's. This newspaper leads with


the story of David Cameron and his aides employing WhatsApp to keep an


EU secrets secret. The Times makes no mention of Hillsborough and Leeds


instead with more reaction to the collapse of British home stores. The


Daily Mirror bash families of Hillsborough victims have had 27


years of sleepless nights now it is time for those guilty of criminal


negligence have theirs. The Guardian, after 25 years, justice.


The Telegraph leads with the simple headline, justice. That is it. We


return to St George 's Hall in Liverpool and let supporters of


Liverpool Football Club have the last word. Good night.


It is going to be a cold start to the day on Wednesday with a


widespread frost. But there


The show is live in Liverpool as the city reacts to the Hillsborough verdicts, and the health secretary talks about the junior doctors' strike.

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