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And the story emerges is that one of the outside gates leading into that

terrace was broken. People without tickets got in and were therefore

overcrowding the people with tickets and that is why the crush occurred.

The vast majority of that Lott had been drinking, the ones arriving

late. I welcome the enquiry which will reveal the true nature and

cause of this terrible tragedy. I think anyone who looks at the nature

of the offence, when they are placed in the position of having the

knowledge those officers have, I think they will view it very

differently. I think drink was a factor. The police certainly aren't

to blame. The suggestion that two people, one the Chief Constable of

the biggest police force outside of London, and one about to become the

Lord Chief Justice, get together and cook the books is ridiculous. Now

you can all believe us. Unlawful. Today I want to apologise

unreservedly to the families and those affected.

So, Liverpool 1, South Yorkshire police, Yorkshire ambulance

services, successive inquiries, in fact, the whole bloody

establishment that failed to stop a Hillsborough cover up...

This is the scene here tonight - St George's Hall festooned

with banners, truth, justice, decorated with candle-lit lanterns.

This is to be the location of a commemoration tomorrow

A collective sigh of relief that the record at last now shows

that South Yorkshire Police, by allowing thousands of extra fans

to pour into an already over-crowded stadium, were grossly

The deaths were unlawful, not just an accident.

And crucially, the fans were not in any way to blame

It took a while and several goes, but British justice

In fairness, the truth of what happened has been

There was an apology from the Prime Minister in 2012.

But today, the conclusion of an official inquest is the most

important milestone in a long journey.

Panorama journalist Alastair Jackson looks at the police cover-up and why

it took so long for the survivors and relatives of the victims to get

There are fans on the pitch in the six yard area. The referee will have

to stop the game. Hillsborough, Britain's worst stadium disaster. A

cup semifinal when 96 supporters lost their lives. Now, finally, a

quarter of a century later, a story about justice achieved. All of those

people didn't deserve to die in the circumstances in those pens on the

15th of April 19 89. I just prayed, put my hands together and prayed to

my son and the other 95, please God, you are going to sleep well tonight,

James. An extraordinary verdict, so clear, so people utterly exonerating

the fans, and the families condemn the South Yorkshire Police and did

it with clarity and understanding of the evidence. Hillsborough should

never been a tragedy where the facts are hard to determine. Thousands had

seen what happened here and the chaos of the emergency response that

followed had captured on television. There are a number of fans seriously

injured. But the lies started straight after the disaster and the

match commander, is Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield

told officials from the Football Association that fans had forced

open a gate. It was a rumour that reached the BBC commentary box. I

have got an explanation. The story emerges that one of the outside

gates leading into that terrace was broken. People without tickets got

in, were therefore overcrowding the people with tickets and that is why

the crash occurred. Four months later, Lord Justice Taylor concluded

the disaster was down to a failure of police control. He played and

David Duckenfield for a blunder of the first magnitude. The decision to

close off the entrance to this part of the terrorism would have

prevented the disaster. Instead, it was left open and thousands of

supporters flooded onto it, causing a crush. The Taylor report should

have ended the debate about who was to blame for Hillsborough. Instead,

it was the last time the truth came anywhere near the surface. It was

buried by a South Yorkshire Police cover up, that wanted to put the

blame on the fans. I am saying, if police officers had been in there

when this mob surged through, the police officers would have been

trampled to death underneath. The vast majority had been drinking, the

ones arriving late and they will not be told where to go, well do

anything you are trying to do. What can you do? Behind-the-scenes,

police statements had been altered to take out criticism of the

emergency response. One South Yorkshire Police officer said he was

there when the cover-up was planned. I attended the meeting on the Monday

morning. And it was clearly put to the meeting that the organisation

was going to put the blame on the drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans

for what happened on the previous Saturday. They were going to go out

and look at the evidence did Rivette. They had formed the

hypothesis and they've got the evidence to prove that point. The

inquest heard re-things were given on the night of the disaster by

South Yorkshire Police officers in their sports and social club. These

claims formed the basis of the sun newspaper headlines discrediting the

fans. The suspicion Liverpool supporters were to blame has

lingered ever since. As well as ruling the killings were unlawful,

the jury concluded the fans were in there were to blame. For the first

time the jury concluded many of the supporters died after 3:15pm the

controversial cut-off point set by the original coroner. The last death

could has been as late as five p.m.. The jury said South Yorkshire

Ambulance Service delayed declaring a major incident. Only two regular

ambulances made it onto the field. The rest were outside with no

direction as the injured died inside the ground. It has taken 25 years,

but these verdicts make it clear it was the decisions taken by the

authorities here and not the behaviour of supporters, that cause

Britain's worst football disaster. I want to make it absolutely clear, we

unequivocally accept the verdict of unlawful killing and the wider

findings reached by the jury in the Hillsborough inquest. On the 15th of

April 1989, South Yorkshire Police got the policing of the FA Cup

semifinal at Hillsborough, catastrophically wrong. The judgment

opens the door for criminal prosecutions to follow. But for the

Hillsborough families today, it is all about a vindication.

The journalist Peter Marshall was at Hillsborough

His Panorama three years ago, on the mistakes made that day

and the efforts made year after year to stop anyone finding out

Peter, for someone who went back to the first enquiry and had seen the

conclusion is that it was the fault of the police and not the fans, what

has changed, what really is new about what we have got today over

what we haven't learned then. Learned in the Taylor enquiry? Yes.

They said there was an error of the first magnitude made by the match

commander. But they didn't say today as the jury said, that the 96 people

were unlawfully killed but it was gross manslaughter. There was no

conclusion. It is a giant step. It is not just the police, this is the

first time a jury has laid the blame on the South Yorkshire Ambulance

Service. In the Taylor enquiry, the Ambulance Service were praised, a

knee jerk reaction. This jury said, they didn't do a good job and the

rescue attempt was abysmal and people may have died because of the

failure of their rescue attempt, them and the police. There is

criticism of Sheffield Wednesday football club because there was no

signage and they had failed to have a proper turnstile system and there

is criticism of the engineers for the capacity because it was too

high, given the restrictions with the fences. Also they fail to update

the safety certificate. So a lot more blame to go around. What

happens now? What happens next? There are two major in criminal

investigations. Operation resolve under the former Chief Constable of

Durham and also the Independent Police Complaints Commission

enquiry, the IPCC, their biggest enquiry going on. They will finish

by the end of the ear, supposedly. They are doing a lot of work. Going

through a lot of witnesses and interviews. The IPCC is looking at

what happened after the disaster, the alleged cover-up and what

happens before the disaster is part of the remit of operation resolve.

But there is a lot of overlap. It is not just individuals being looked at

here. We know David Duckenfield has been interviewed under caution. But

potential suspects, include not just individuals but organisations. South

Yorkshire Police are not the only force under investigation. West

Midlands Police... They did the first investigation into South

Yorkshire Police? Yes, they reported the first flawed inquest and

supplied evidence to the Taylor enquiry. They also supplied evidence

to the DPP of the day which gave South Yorkshire Police a clean bill

of health. And you can see Peter Marshall's

report for us on Hillsborough With me now is Andy Burnham Home

Secretary -- Shadow Home Secretary and a solicitor representing the

families. Marcy, 27 years, what is your reaction to what happened

today? There are no words. Even as a lawyer, I am stunned. Expressions of

joy, the light, sorrow, sadness. There are no words that can describe

it, it is an amazing, remarkable day and an historical day. Not just for

the families but for Liverpool, and for football. Andy Burnham, the

South Yorkshire Police came out and apologised today. You would have

listened to that apology, I just wondered what you made of it? I

didn't make much of it, to be honest. The South Yorkshire Police

apologised after the Hillsborough Independent Panel report in 2012.

The question for them tonight is why did they go back on that apology at

this inquest and not repeat their admission of liability? Their

failure to do that lengthened this inquest, cost millions of pounds in

public money, but worst of all put the families through sheer hell

again. It went two years, this inquest, which is a very long

inquest, the longest we have ever known. And you are saying that lies

at the fault of the police, essentially trying to hold out

against admitting liability? Yes, the main criticism I make is of the

retired officers and their lawyers. They threw the old slurs around in

this court. When the High Court squash the original inquest, he said

he ruled the new inquest should not descend into an adversarial battle.

Sadly, and deeply regrettably, that is exactly what happened. That is

because the cover-up continued in this Warrington court room. I cannot

justify lies being told with public money in a court room. How was it

for the families of the victims, going through this inquest? It

wasn't easy. It was difficult, painful. These families have had 25

years and they are tenacious and they wanted the inquest. What this

day has proved is the result of the inquest process. One of the most

amazing processes in the world in terms of looking at depths, where

there have been questions, whether has been involved. It has been a

really hard process but they have prevailed and finally tonight their

loved ones can rest in peace for the first time in 27 years. One of the

differences this time, they have much better state financed, legal

representation. How much of a difference did that make? An amazing

difference. In this inquest, for the first time, there was an equality of

arms. This is needed in every inquest. Nine times out of ten, in

fact, ten times out of ten there is an inequality, and as Margaret

Aspinall said today, they families stand alone why the state is

represented... By someone who is saying, it wasn't us. Inquest

cemented the inquisitive, but many times they are adversarial.

A question for inquests in the future? Yes and I will raise that in

the House tomorrow. Also, please visit should no longer be able to

retire just to escape proceedings. There needs to be a change in the

law to say that you can't go off on all health to escape all

accountability. We've had truth and justice, now there must be

accountability. As we stand looking at this today, what do you think of

English justice? Has it worked? It did get there in the end, the truth

came out. Or is it a catastrophic failure that it has taken so long

for the official verdict to reach this point? There have been failures

and it has taken a long time. But look, truth, justice, I say no more.

27 years, two long, but... This legal team have been brilliant for

the families and I pay tribute to them. But in the end there is a

positive. This country, although 27 years on, has in the end been able

to look itself in the mirror and own up to some of the darkest failings

in our past and that is a positive. The great big positive is for this

city of Liverpool. In the aftermath, victimised, the slurs. They stood

together, the people of this city. They understood what true solidarity

means. Because of that solidarity, this city has prevailed and in the

end the cloud has been lifted. Thank you very much indeed, both.

Perhaps one lesson of Hillsborough is not to always think

Back in 1989, the bad reputation of football fans,

the aftermath of the Heysel stadium disaster, conspired to make it

easy to link any crowd problem to hooliganism.

Add a little misinformation fed to a credulous newspaper or two,

and it became almost impossible for some people to ever shed

the view that the fans must themselves have been responsible.

One might say that the police diversion and cover-up

was astonishingly successful, as it took more than 20 years

For those there on the day though, there was never any

One person there was Peter Hooton, the vocalist

He gave us his reflections on the effect of Hillsborough

That date is etched into the consciousness

As we travel to Sheffield on that beautiful, sunny spring morning,

nothing could have prepared us for that day when 96 innocent men,

women and children lost their lives at a football match watching

For over a quarter of a century, I've known the truth.

After all, I was an eyewitness, I saw Liverpool fans, in the words

of Justice Taylor in 1989, "initiate and coordinate

I've always called them the heroes of Hillsborough.

I went on the pitch from the North stand about 20 minutes

Most people on the pitch that day, including me, where bewildered,

feeling hopeless, confused or inadequate.

I asked a line of policemen, deployed on the halfway line,

presumably to stop what they thought was a pitch invasion,

But they said they couldn't move as they were waiting for orders.

The things I witnessed that day would haunt me for many years.

In the days after the disaster, the city of Liverpool

As we tried to come to terms with our grief and our loss,

and even before the families had a chance to bury their dead,

we were subjected to a classic smear campaign.

A false narrative was promoted to deflect the blame away from those

Or as Lord Stuart Smith's scrutiny said in 1997, the press reports

Neil Fitzmaurice was in the central pens that day.

He still holds papers like the Sun in contempt for what they

When there was a movement in the crowd, a surge, if you like,

you were going from here to five, six, seven feet away in seconds.

And it was just being carried along and people

You've got to remember we were on steps as well.

And when people were losing their footing and going under,

and when you were going under, you are never coming back up.

It got to the point with the people who had lost consciousness and worse

were popping up alongside us, because there was

When those papers come out, and it was talking

about the Liverpool fans hindering the police and saying

the most vulgar things and attacking the police,

It threw everything up in the air for me.

I didn't know what to believe in any more, it made me really panic.

But it was the authorities who had briefed the press with a fictitious

The city was no stranger to protest and standing up for its rights

But little did we know this would be the longest struggle in the history

Brian Reade is a campaigning journalist, who for years

struggled to get newspapers interested in printing the truth.

I think there is no doubt that Liverpool people,

by 1989 and the 90s, were used

to feeling that they were kind of, getting the bad end of the stick,

It was the whole Thatcher cuts to the council,

militants taking them on, there was the riots.

It was the butt of every comedian's joke.

And I think there had been a siege mentality, you take on one,

I've heard since, people have written to me and said this

could only really happen - this is outsiders from Liverpool,

said this could only really happen with Scousers, everyone else

would have given up a long time ago because they didn't have that

Today's historic verdict is a vindication for the 27 years

of struggle and solidarity against all the odds.

I just wish some of the families and campaigners who have

passed away could have witnessed this momentous day.

Peter Hooten there, who remembers the day all too well.

I'm joined by Julia Fallon, sister of Andrew Sefton, one

And Glynn Philips, a doctor who was there, who was caught up

Good evening to you both. Julie, tell us a little about Andrew. I see

his name was up there. If you had to stereotyping, you would say he is

-- he was a gentle giant. He was over six foot. He had a wicked sense

of humour, rather like my father. He wasn't a Liverpool fan, he was a

Tottenham fan, what was he doing, just driving his friends? Yes, he

was home for the weekend and they had a car and he had a spare ticket,

so it seemed like a perfect idea. We were just -- they were just looking

forward to a good day and the weather was nice and it was going to

be a good match. What was your memory of that day? How did you find

out what happened? I had just had my daughter and she was a matter of

weeks old and I had just ventured out for the first time, been out to

the shops that day, and I came home at 5pm and I was met with my father

and my husband really anxious and desperate and they had been trying

the emergency helpline, which wasn't any good at all. In the end it was

decided that they would travel to Sheffield while I stayed with my

daughter. They made the journey across and, like all the families

really, went from pillar to post and ended up identifying Andrew in the

early hours. In the early hours of the next morning. It really took

quite a long time to establish? Yes, yes. Just in terms of how it

affected your family... You have lost your parents since then? Yes,

they've both died. So they didn't get to hear this. My dad died on the

day that the inquests were quashed. I would like to think... I suppose

all I can say is it is a really hard concept for people I think, when

something has gone on for that amount of time committed becomes in

bedded in your life. As I say, my daughter was a matter of weeks old

when it happened and she has probably heard the word Hillsborough

in some guise or another for 27 years. Do you ever go a day without

thinking about it? No, and that is not because we are particularly

overly melancholy all we have no desire to move on, which has been

the common perception, it's just because we haven't had an

opportunity to move on, so therefore we have always still been there. As

a family and as a wider group of families, we've always had to be

thinking about what we're going to do next. Claim, you were a GP at the

time? -- Glynn. You tried to help? Yes, myself and my younger brother

and two friends, we were in Pen three as the crush developed. We

were fortunate enough to be able to escape to Pen two, by which time

people were being lifted over the fences onto the pitch in a state of

severe stress or injury and I made my way to try and assist and the

first person I came across was a 19-year-old boy in a state of

pulmonary arrest. I spent an amount of time with others resisting doing

CPR, hard to tell how long, and we managed to get his hard going again.

We ventilated him and got him into an ambulance and then I went to see

if there was anyone else I could help but by then there wasn't. When

it was all happening, how quickly could you tell it had gone from

uncomfortable to fatal? Was it just a matter of seconds? No, it was

minutes. The crush just gradually increased and increased. I'd been

asked this before, how I would describe it. I've been going to the

Kop at Anfield since I was 12, been to some of the biggest games you

could imagine. In many ways we loved the atmosphere. This was completely

different on an abnormal and sinister scale. One of the things

people have learnt today, people who perhaps have not followed it as

closely as you have, is that the emergency services did not perform

well. That was your experience? There was no organised response at

all, it was absolutely nightmarish chaos on that pitch. There was no

leadership at all. Does it feel today for each of you like an

enormous weight is off your shoulders? Yes, it does. It is

indescribable. I was going to say it's early days but it's the same

day. It is really, really difficult to explain what this means for the

rest of our lives really. It's a massive turning point and it's an

opportunity to put down years of duty, really. Because you can't just

turn your back... Which is more important, the unlawful death

verdict or the exoneration of the victims? For me, they have gone

hand-in-hand. I can't choose between the two. We had this, station before

and I just think if we had got one without the other, it would have

been a massive blow. With the two together, it's just wonderful. A big

day for you? Yes but primarily it is a day for the families. This is the

justice they have deserved for many years. It also affects all Liverpool

fans and the people of Liverpool. Those two points are important. They

are at different ends of the spectrum, the unlawful killing was

the massive one but I think it had been devalued -- it would have been

devalued if any blame had been apportioned to the fans will stop

what happened to the boy you help? What happened to the boy you help? I

lost contact with him that they can he was put in an ambulance and I

spent the next year almost believing that he had died. I went looking for

him a week later in Sheffield hospital. I discovered when I was

helping the police the next year that he had actually survived. He

did not survive unscathed, he suffered brain damage, but he did

survive. It has affected his life, he's never been able to work, he is

on constant medication, but his family are grateful that he survived

and that has been the best thing for me, that he did survive. Has the

experience changed you as a doctor? I don't think it really did but it's

difficult to say. Working in Scotland I was detached from it in

many ways. Being a GP, you're like a foot soldier, in the NHS, you just

get on with it. Maybe it did change the but I don't think it affected

the way I worked. It made me very, very sensitive to the criticism that

people of Liverpool have faced over the years and that for me is a big

weight off my shoulders today, the fact that I don't have too defend

Liverpool fans any more, the verdicts have done that for us. Yes,

it is a big moment. It is huge. Is this the end, are you waiting for

another phase, can you move on? There will be another phase but the

families will take from this, the opportunity to move on and whatever

follows, will be at best, a bonus. Thank you both the coming out

tonight. It has been for many years for Liverpool to defend its

reputation. It has gained a lot of solidarity and unity. And perhaps it

can at least enjoyed some pride in its complete vindication. James,

back to you in the studio. Today saw the first all-out strike

by junior doctors in England At its heart lies a new contract

that the Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, from whom we will hear

shortly, remains determined to impose but which the British

Medical Association insists Newsnight's Chris Cook has been

examining how this almighty impasse was reached and assessing

the likelihood of it Today, junior doctors

in England did something they have never done before,

they withdrew from offering even emergency care, leaving patients

to more senior doctors. The culmination of a long dispute

about a new contract It is a contract that

disadvantages women, it is a contract that is trying

to spread our services too thin. We are already struggling,

we are already stretched and they are trying to spread that

even further and that's Doctors were keen to knock down

the idea that this British Medical Association strike

was, itself, unsafe. Normally on our wards

during the weekends, bank holidays, we manage to cover with one junior

doctor on the ward. Today, on my ward there

is four consultants. So, what are the points

of difference between the British Medical Association

behind me here, and the government? The first one, the

biggest is imposition. It is the fact the government has

gone ahead with this contract Now the reason they've done

that is talks broke down. The government judged there was no

point continuing to negotiate. That's because on issues such as how

much doctors should get paid at the weekends and,

what happens when hospitals give doctors too many hours to work,

the two sides couldn't These are the hours

when you don't get overtime. Now, the imposed contract would make

overtime begin later in the evening on weekdays,

but here is the killer - the contract means Saturday daytime

will come without any Now, normal pay rates

would actually rise, but the contract normalises

Saturday working. The government says this is part

of its plan for a seven-day NHS. They said junior doctors need

to work more at weekends. I was a junior doctor,

we always find we are working at weekends and nights,

the times when ministers aren't and Parliament doesn't sit,

but the NHS is there for patients. So will the BMA

strategy actually work? Downing Street and the Department

of Health don't seem to be The BMA doesn't have a clear game

plan, if you like, for victory. But by extending the dispute

they hope it will First of all, there's a chance

something might just come up. For example, they could get

a new Health Secretary or Prime Minister, who might be

willing to compromise a bit more. Second, they hope with protests

like this they will be able to pile pressure on the government

so they might eventually change their mind about

the contract imposition. They point out, it's going to be

different but to do other things

while this is going on. For example, they want

to renegotiate the There is no chance a BMA insider

says, of that happening Do you expect there to be further

strikes after this week? You expect me to say,

and I'm going to say, We will see how it goes,

review what is happening. Where we think the dispute

is going and frankly, I do hope, still live in hope,

that by tomorrow morning the government will say,

OK, we realise now it was a bad idea If they do that, we will withdraw

the industrial action immediately. Labour's leadership joined the march

today, but will that help the BMA? Do you think Labour

support makes it harder No, I think what we are seeing

is the whole community I am hoping Jeremy Hunt recognises

now is the time to get back around You don't worry it will become

too politically poison? No, the whole community now is

urging for a negotiating settlement. We are part of that community

and we reflect, as others, the breadth of support that there

is for a negotiated settlement. There's another strike

tomorrow, more may follow. Perhaps longer ones

or even indefinite ones. No resolution is now possible

without one or both sides in this Earlier today, I spoke

to the Secretary of State for Health, Jeremy Hunt,

and began by asking him whether he still subscribed

to his previously expressed view that doctors were only striking

because they lack the wit to properly understand the deal

he has offered to them. The problem we had is that the BMA

were not prepared to sit around and discuss this

in a reasonable way. So you are saying. Does don't have

the wit to understand the offer you are making them?

No, I think many doctors don't actually understand the contents

of the new contract and nor do they understand how hard

the government has worked to try and reach an accommodation.

We have actually had 75 meetings over the three-year period.

We have looked at the number of concessions we made.

I will just say this, I think the reasonable

approach for a union, when a government is trying

to implement a manifesto commitment, is to sit down and talk.

Because this is something that will make the NHS safer and better.

So the manifesto commitment was to the principle of a seven-day

The detail is interesting, you mention doctors may not have

read the contract, I have been in touch with a few who have, all 80

We know it positively discriminate against women,

That's contained within the rubric of the contract itself,

it is a concession from your own department.

We know that under the terms of the new rota, you can finish

a shift at 1am or 2am in the morning and yet be expected to start your

next one at five o'clock the following afternoon.

Quite how that allows work, family balance or indeed travel

to and from hospital, is open to some speculation.

We also know there is no mandate, if you are doing too many hours,

for your supervisor to report it to the hospital guardian.

So again, it would seem the doctors may understand the terms of this

contract rather better than you are giving them credit for?

Interesting, because all the things you've just mentioned are areas

where we actually reached agreement with the BMA when we had

So the aspects of the contract was always safety.

Everything I just said is contained within

And what the current contract is, 90% of it was agreed with the BMA

when I lifted the imposition of the contract in December

to see if we could allow space for negotiations.

The two outstanding areas of disagreement were to do

with the Saturday pay rates and another aspect of

But if you look at Saturday pay, what we are offering doctors is more

premium pay for people who work regularly at weekends.

More than nurses, paramedics, health care assistants,

to work in their own operating theatres, more incidentally

So I think on that basis, withdrawing emergency care

for patients who depend on you is a very

Doctors are heading across the borders into Scotland,

Wales and Ireland to take up jobs that won't be subject

And the general feeling among the junior and senior doctors,

most of whom are in support of the strike in this country,

is that their profession is being denuded and denigrated,

so why not just meet the costs if that really is the only

Let's look at the money we are putting into the NHS.

This year we are putting an extra 3.5...

With respect, that's not an answer to the question I am asking?

It is a direct answer, you said why not meet the costs?

Will you continue to pay them as they currently are?

If you let me answer the question.

We are putting in an extra ?3.8 billion into the NHS this year.

This government is passionate about the NHS and what it stands

for and in this year it will be getting the sixth-biggest increase

And part of that additional money is to pay for the costs,

But we also know from the mistakes, frankly of previous governments,

that with that increase in resources you need to have a change in working

practices if we are going to be able to offer patients that same

high-quality care every day of the weekend.

What we are saying is in order for hospitals to be able to roster

more people at weekends, we need to bring down the premiums

It's still more generous than pretty much anywhere else

But we'll make sure no doctor is out of pocket by putting

But you know the anti-social banding hours make up around 30 to 50%

of many doctors' pay at the moment, so a 13% increase in basic pay

Again, that is miss-information because they are not going to get no

You have lots of small issues, but then you have the issues

of substance and the BMA's own words were that the only two

People will say, if it is an argument about weekend pay,

for a professional withdrawing emergency care, is a step too far.

You must be unhappy about how personal this has become

and the fact that many doctors feel that if the impasse is to be

breached, it would not be achievable on your watch.

Is that what you were subconsciously referring to this morning

when you said this would be your last big job in politics?

What I have always said is I would like to do this job

for five years, I want to be the Secretary of State who learns

the lessons from Mid Staffs and sets the NHS on a path to be the safest,

highest quality health care system in the world.

Secretary of State, thank you very much.

I should explain it wasn't my idea to conduct that interview with is

both standing up, it was Jeremy Hunt's. This newspaper leads with

the story of David Cameron and his aides employing WhatsApp to keep an

EU secrets secret. The Times makes no mention of Hillsborough and Leeds

instead with more reaction to the collapse of British home stores. The

Daily Mirror bash families of Hillsborough victims have had 27

years of sleepless nights now it is time for those guilty of criminal

negligence have theirs. The Guardian, after 25 years, justice.

The Telegraph leads with the simple headline, justice. That is it. We

return to St George 's Hall in Liverpool and let supporters of

Liverpool Football Club have the last word. Good night.

It is going to be a cold start to the day on Wednesday with a

widespread frost. But there