03/05/2016 Newsnight


03/05/2016

With Evan Davis. How will the 'unusual' campaigns affect Thursday's vote? Plus a look back at the European dream, Turkey and the comedian, and the economics of Leicester.


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On Thursday, Britain goes to the polls, after perhaps the most

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bonkers build up to a vote that anyone can remember.

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Labour has to deal with rows over anti-semitism and maybe

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Each of the parties is in a bit of trouble themselves.

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The Conservatives are divided over Europe.

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Labour are divided over the Corbyn leadership.

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No one really knows if the Lib Dems are divided or not,

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there are so few of them that nobody is really paying attention any more.

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And Ukip are having trouble really finding a role in the post-EU

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We'll be looking at how to judge the results,

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and examining Labour's prospects in particular

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The grand vision of a united continent.

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Is this theme park what it's reduced to?

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Have the EU's founding fathers' visions has been delivered.

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Maybe it was a bit naive, but we thought we were

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in the position to change European history.

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Sounds a bit stupid, but we believed in that.

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The Newsnight take on Leicester's success: we hear from a City

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If you look at many of the great successes of our time it's because

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other people underestimated them. The day after tomorrow,

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everybody in the country Parliaments or Assemblies

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in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland,

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councils across England and Wales, mayors in London and three other

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big cities, and Police and Crime Commissioners in much

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of England and Wales too. It is a British Super-Thursday,

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a rare comprehensive test of the voter's views away

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from a general election. But politics is in a

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weird place right now. Who'd have thought the Conservatives

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would be running close And that there could be as much

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fighting within the big parties For Labour, this is

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a particularly awkward time, So all in all, a good moment

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for our new political editor, He'll tell us not just what,

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but how and why as well. You've been on the campaign trail,

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what news, what noise? Yes, I've been focusing today mainly on the

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Labour Party. What I've learned tonight is that Sadiq Khan, who may

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well achieve Labour's only real success on Thursday in the London

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mayor or contest, his plan if he wins is that he will mark that

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victory without Jeremy Corbyn by his side. Sadiq Khan is taking nothing

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for granted, those votes have not been passed yet and nothing is

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inevitable. But the plan is that in the immediate aftermath of a

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victory, we would not see Jeremy Corbyn by his side. When Boris

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Johnson won in 2008, and 2012, there was David Cameron by his side,

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getting a mandate only bettered in Europe by the president of France.

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Sadiq Khan has run his own campaign and he wants to show that if he

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wins. So he has some reservations about how much of an asset Jeremy

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Corbyn is to him. More generally, how far do those concerns go? These

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concerns do run through the Shadow Cabinet. I was speaking to one

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member to Julia Day who said that Sadiq Khan has shown how you win by

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building coalitions, and Jeremy Corbyn is showing how you lose.

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There are concerns about the election poster launched today. It

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was felt that was a little bit divisive, a little bit harsh. What

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that means, on everyone's lips in the Labour Party at the moment is

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the future leadership of their party.

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The May sunshine brought out a mood of optimism among Jeremy Corbyn

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supporters this morning as the Labour Party unveiled its English

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council election post in Southwark. After a rocky week for the

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leadership, Labour's director of strategy and communications was on

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hand to reinforce the message of party unity. Thursday's vote will be

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the first national test of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. No official

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opposition has lost seats in English local election outside a general

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election year since 1985 and today he insisted he would not be breaking

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the record. We will not lose seats, we are looking to gain seats where

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we can. These elections are being fought on the issues of every

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different community around the country and a record of what this

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government is about. Politics is throwing up all sorts of unusual

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conundrums. Net gains from Labour are unlikely but not out of the

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question. If Labour lose more than 150 seats, that is bad news for

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them. If they gain more than 150, that's really good news. If they

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hold onto what they've got at the moment that's a perfectly fine day

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at the office. It is a year to the day since Ed Miliband unveiled what

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came to be known as the Ed Stone. The party's poor result in 2015

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ended his leadership. Could a bad showing on Thursday do the same for

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Corbyn? There are many, possibly even a majority of Labour MPs who

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would dearly like to see Jeremy Corbyn go, but there are notes and

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there are divisions. Nerves that Jeremy Corbyn's overwhelming mandate

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means he could emerge even stronger from a challenge, and divisions over

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the trigger for a contest. Some say it would take a vote to leave in the

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EU referendum. Even if die-hard critics say that three conditions

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would have to be met. First, five members of the Shadow Cabinet would

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have to resign. Secondly, deputy leader Tom Watson would have to

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offer his tacit support. Thirdly the chief Rip must not stand in the way.

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All in all that looks like a pretty tall order at the moment. The ultras

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who would like to see Corbyn removed immediately have confident to

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Newsnight a Sun report that the veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge

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would be an ideal candidate to challenge the Labour leader. But all

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eyes are on Corbyn's long-standing ally John McDonnell. Senior

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backbenchers say privately they think he is sizing up his chances.

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But he insists he is standing by his friends. Although allies are leaving

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no one in any doubt that he believes Corbyn was slow off the mark in

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dealing with the crisis over alleged anti-Semitism in the party. It looks

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like Sadiq Khan may provide the only prospect of good news for Jeremy

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Corbyn on super Thursday. The Labour leader will be hoping he wins

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because of rejection by voters in London or a wing by the Leave side

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are likely to be the only triggers for a challenge this side of the

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Labour conference. Jonathan Ashworth,

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Labour's Shadow Minister Your leader said we are not going to

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lose any seats. Do you agree? Of course I share Jeremy's confidence

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and enthusiasm about the elections this Thursday. I have been on lots

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of programmes like these in the past and I'm afraid I don't make any

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predictions about what we will win or lose ahead of the polls opening.

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I don't want you to make a prediction, there are other people

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who can do that. I guess I'm trying to work out what would constitute

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success or failure. Presumably if you lost seats, that would be quite

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a disaster? I don't want to see us losing seats and I don't think any

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Labour Party member wants to see us losing seats. I know that Labour

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Party councillors and Labour Party parliamentarians in the assembly and

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the parliament that are fighting for real action do a tremendous job

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serving their constituents and I don't want to seek any of them fail

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to be returned to office. Said that would be a bad place for Labour?

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Some predictions are that they would lose 150, that would clearly be a

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crisis? As I say, I've been plenty of programmes ahead of elections.

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Your leader says you will not lose any seats. We in the Labour Party

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are running a positive campaign, out there on the doorstep over time,

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talking to people about issues as I have been quite a lot recently, and

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when I talk to people about the issues, they want to talk about the

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state of their local hospital, schools, the services that council

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delivers. You cannot make an optimistic prediction and not then

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say it's disappointing if we don't make it on the day. Is the evidence

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at this point that the party is struggling to break through? Let me

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put this to you: Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership, and many argued that

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he would connect with some Labour voters better than some of the other

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candidates. I'm just wondering whether you think that has actually

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happened? Well, Jeremy Corbyn did win the leadership quite handsomely,

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and he has a mandate from the Labour Party members to get us back into

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power. We all want to see us winning elections. I'm detecting a bit of

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resistance to the proposition that he has connected with voters. In

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Scotland tilting left will win voters, they said, but now you are

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computing with the Tories for second or third place, is that narrative

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working, that Corbyn connects? Lets do the post-match analysis when the

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match has actually been played. The one election we have had was the old

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by-election last autumn. I remember coming on some other programmes like

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this where similar questions were asked and we ended up winning that

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by-election with a substantial majority. The Tories have had a

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pretty torrid time, crises over tax, steel, tax credits, all these

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things. And yet it doesn't feel as though Labour are where they should

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be, let alone with a leader who has this special power of connection.

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The Labour Party suffered quite a catastrophic defeat at the general

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election last year. I think the Labour Party has a mountain to climb

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to win an election in 2020. I want to see us making progress but I

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don't think anybody would expect us to completely turn things around in

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12 months. The key thing is the Tories are having a torrid time.

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When I'm talking to people on the doorstep as I am every week and

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indeed if we weren't celebrating Leicester's great victory in my

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constituency, we would have been talking to them today. The issues

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always come down to tax credit cuts, schools, which people are deeply

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concerned about, the fact that you can hardly get to see a GP and

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waiting lists are going up, these are the issues people are generally

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raising with us on the doorstep. Leadership challenge, what would be

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your message to people briefing papers, talking up Margaret Hodge as

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a candidate, what is your message? It's not going to happen, is it?

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It's off. I think it was Tom Watson who said people should just come

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down. I don't think anything like this will happen. Party members have

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given Jeremy and mandate to get us back into power, that's what they

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want to do. OK. Just got to go to the anti-Semitism row. I'm not clear

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what the narrative is. Is it that there is not an anti-Semitism

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problem? And it is a smear? To try to undermine the leader? Or is it

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that there is an anti-Semitism problem? I've been a member of the

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Labour Party for 22 years since I was 15, we are not anti-Semitic

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party, we abhor anti-Semitism. We are resolute against it. Individuals

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have been posting disgusting things on social media, one high-profile

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individual saying outrageous ins. When we are presented with that

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evidence, we suspend them. There is no place for those views in the

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Labour Party and we are clear on that. In the last few days there has

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been a problem which is why Jeremy Corbyn stepped in. Overall the

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Labour Party is not an anti-Semitic party, but where we are confronted

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with these problems we deal with them and send the message that they

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are not welcome. You tried to draw a line under it by setting up the

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panel, and there have been murmurings and rows about the

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composition of that panel, there is one Jewish member who some say has

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already said that these charges of anti-Semitism are baseless, I

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believe the president of the board of British Jews has told us about

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that. He is worried about that. I wonder whether there is still a row

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on going on this whole thing. Let me say this, I am a member of the

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Labour Party's National executive committee, I am disgusted by

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anti-Semitism and I am resolute in my opposition to it. I will do all I

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can as a member of the National executive committee to ensure that

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these various enquiries are conducted in a way which meets the

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confidence of the people concerned. Jonathan Ashworth, thanks very much

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indeed. Well we all know that while this

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Thursday is important, there is another vote coming along

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on Thursday, June 23rd, which will have a big shape

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on party politics too. To help you think about the EU,

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we're taking a step back this week, with three films that look

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at the grand vision of the EU founding fathers,

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and what has been achieved. The themes of peace and prosperity

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were to be delivered by among other things,

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ever closer union, free movement of people

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and monetary union. Well, we sent our reporter

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Gabriel Gatehouse in search If the European Union has

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a birthplace, then it is here. In this little cottage in a woodland

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west of Paris. If the EU has a founding father then

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it is this man. In the broken remains

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of post-war Europe, together with a trusted circle of advisers,

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over coffee and cognac and fireside chats, they dreamed of a continent

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prosperous and at peace. Jean Monnet had

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a vision in this house. And from here he set the whole

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European project in motion. But what has become

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of that original vision? Over the next three nights we're

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going to be asking what state of health is the European

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dream in today? To bind the economies

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of Europe so tightly that war He took his plan to

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the French Foreign Minister. Together they formulated the Schuman

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Declaration. Those early Europe builders began

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by pooling production of coal and steel, it was the first step

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towards that de facto solidarity. It would lead, they hoped,

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to a federation of Europe. There are not many of that

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generation left today, but in an apartment in the 17th

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arrondissement of Georges Berthoin is the last

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surviving member of Jean Monnet's original cabinet at the European

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Coal and Steel Community. It was the first institution

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out of which would grow The dream was to make peace

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among European countries Then there was another element,

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the element was prosperity. So the problem was not only

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to rebuild Europe but to modernise Europe and in this respect

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we were looking at the example of the United States

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of America and especially Peace and prosperity,

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that was the goal. Five years later, six countries

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would sign the Treaty of Rome, establishing

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the European Economic Community. The ambition was for

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a much closer union. The Schuman Declaration

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was the first step towards When we started, we thought

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we were going to start something and we thought at the time

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that we were going to accede to all things including political

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development, within ten years. And so it happened that France

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and Germany formed the central And they enjoyed decades

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of peace and prosperity. A de facto solidarity

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among member nations. This is Breisach on

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the Rhine in Germany. Across the river, Neuf-Brisach in

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France. The French built these

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fortifications to guard against These two towns that saw three wars

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in 70 years are now the heartland Here then are two towns

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from opposite banks of the Rhine. They are living together in peace,

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their citizens can travel freely backwards and forwards

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across this bridge. And whatever side they happen

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to find themselves on, they can pay for stuff

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in a common currency. In so many ways this is exactly

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what the European project has Over the decades Europe brought

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with it all sorts of benefits. Jobs, common rights and protections

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for workers, but you don't have to dig very deep here to discover

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that the river still divides. On the French side,

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around Neuf-Brisach, This one used to produce pistons

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for the European car industry. But in 2013 high labour costs forced

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it to close. Unemployment in this part of France

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is around 10% and rising. GDP is well below

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the European average. For these French workers overseeing

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the demolition of their own factory, the EU today means seeing their jobs

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move to new member states in Eastern There was a dream, a European dream,

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in the 1950s, 1960s, Do you think that

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dream is still alive? I think no, peace is here in Europe,

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but prosperity I think no. In Germany I think a little

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prosperity but here in France, no. Indeed, back across the river

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in German Breisach, The citizens of this region,

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Baden Wurtenberg, are among Just up the road from Breisach,

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we stumble across what appears to be the most pro-European place

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on the continent. Is this the stuff that

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dreams are made of? Meet Euro Mouse, the mascot of this

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Europe in microcosm. Nestled among the roller-coasters

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are many of the member states. Scandinavia, Portugal, Greece,

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which includes Pegasus, Cassandra's curse,

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and the flight of Icarus. Black cabs, fast-food,

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and Shakespeare. Who knew the EU could

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be such family fun? Which is your favourite

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bit of the park? Our favourite bit is Scandinavia,

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I think. I like England, but the thing

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is you haven't got a lot of variety. The history of Europa Park reads

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like a sort of German It was founded by the Mack family,

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stalwarts of German manufacturing The park opened its doors in 1975,

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inspired by the vision We chose Europe and we think

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it was the best way to go, even though nobody believed that

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that time Europe would be As much of Europe struggles

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with an economic crisis, in Germany the dream of prosperity

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still burns brightly. Today nearly half the park's workers

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are from other EU nations. We are about to open

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a water park in 2018. We need another 700 employees,

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so it is quite difficult because the unemployment rate

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is so low in this area. Despite Europe's economies pulling

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in different directions its nations Back on the road, we drive through

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Verdun. Verdun is to the French

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what The Somme is to the British. 100 years ago hundreds of thousands

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of young men lost their Along the roads that wind

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through Europe's heartland, history lurks

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around every bend. It is now at the heart

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of the European project. Throughout the EU's development,

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from its beginnings in coal and steel, through the Treaty

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of Rome, the single European act, the Maastricht Treaty,

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the direction of travel Maybe it was a bit naive

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but we thought we were in a position You know, at that time,

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we had the backing of public Because the experience

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and the tragedy of the war I use the expression,

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but it was not one we used at that time, to build a kind

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of United States of Europe. These days, if you say you support

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a United States of Europe, you might These young activists are handing

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out leaflets for a by-election Last time around they took

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a third of the votes. And it was the year

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of the Treaty of Maastricht. And so we have not known

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this European dream. All we have known is only

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unemployment, taxes, and all the disadvantages

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of this European Union. We have not known

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this European dream. A year from now, its leader

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Marine Le Pen could become She has promised to follow

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Britain's lead and hold We need to find back our

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borders, our sovereignty, To respect our own laws,

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which are not the same as in Germany Some people worry that a party

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like yours is leading Europe back towards nationalism,

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back towards the place You're right, the European Union

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is leading us back. It is the European Union that

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creates unemployment and insecurity. The original founders

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of the EU had a dream. Of creating peace and prosperity

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through an ever closer union of nation states,

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based on common interests The thing about ever closer union

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is that it presupposes a corresponding weakening

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of individual national identity. Now it may be that the founders

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of the European Union thought that by the time we got to the second

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decade of the 21st century, the nation state would be a concept

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that had had its day. Across Europe the politics

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of identity is on the rise. Tomorrow night we will be

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looking at borders. How the fall of the Iron Curtain led

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to a Europe more united than ever and how a quarter of a century

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later, the continent is in crisis over one of the cornerstones

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of the European dream, Gabriel Gatehouse there,

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Europe past and present. But on the specifics

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of freedom of movement, in the here and now,

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the EU, faces a problem. The story is that Turkey has helped

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cut the number of migrants sailing to Greece, giving

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Europe some respite But Turkey has driven

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a hard bargain for that - above all, it expects the Schengen

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zone to allow visa free travel Tomorrow

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the European Commission is set However, it is controversial,

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and will still have to go Earlier I spoke to Ilnur Cevik,

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who is senior advisor I asked him if Turkey would pull out

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of the deal if not granted Visa free travel.

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You see, the visa agreement is not a concession.

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Turkey has been given this right through EU-Turkey

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And if the EU reneges on this deal, then all the other

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There are 72 conditions which the EU says Turkey must meet before it can

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Are you saying you've met all 72 of those conditions?

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Nearly all of them have been met and the EU is going to report that

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whether we have or we have not in the following days.

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But if the EU says, look, you haven't met them all,

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you've only met 62 of them, then it will say you can't

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have your visa-free travel yet, will you still say the deal doesn't

:29:35.:29:37.

hold and you'll come out of the migrant deal?

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If some of the clauses have not been met, they will be completed by June.

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But after that, if we have completed all the deal,

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and they still say we are not going to have free travel for Turks

:29:50.:29:54.

in the European Union countries in the Schengen area, of course,

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barring the United Kingdom and Ireland, then the deal is off.

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But look, one of the things the EU says you have to do

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is align your legal framework with protocols set out

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in the European Convention on Human Rights.

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Protocol seven for example, on crime in the family,

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article five provides for equality between spouses.

:30:17.:30:20.

You can't arrange for equality between spouses in your legal code

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between now and the end of June, that would be quite a big thing for

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But at the moment most of these have been fulfilled.

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But not all of them and the EU shouldn't let you in if you haven't

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It says you've got to meet them all, that's the deal.

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Take it this way, Turkey has fulfilled its obligations

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of stopping illegal immigrants to the Greek islands.

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Today there is a dismal amount of people going through.

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We still continue carrying this burden.

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Plus, you see, the EU agreement with Turkey is not a concession.

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What they are giving us as a concession,

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what they are portraying as a concession on the visa question

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Look, let me just ask one last question, back to the issue

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What is your view as to how the European Union has

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And whether you think it has been effective or not?

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The European Union is still shutting its eyes to the realities

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The European Union has created a big mess in Syria,

:31:49.:31:59.

along with the Americans, and they should have known that

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by ruining and messing up in Syria, all these refugees would be leaving

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the country, because, when I say this, we should have

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Turkey, the European Union, the Americans altogether.

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We should have got rid of Assad but we didn't.

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3 million people, Turkey has spent $10 billion for them.

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Now, what has the European Union done?

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What kind of European values are we talking about here?

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The European Union has given a very bad test, they have

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Thank you very much, thank you.

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The big winner of the English Premier League this season?

:32:42.:32:51.

It's looking super competive, and more interesting than its rivals.

:32:52.:32:57.

In the last four years it has had four different champions -

:32:58.:33:00.

in France, Italy and Scotland, they've had the same

:33:01.:33:02.

It's not been a bad season for Leicester City either.

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Everybody is trying to work out what it was that made

:33:11.:33:13.

Leicester's table-topping performance.

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Matthew Syed writes about sport, business and success.

:33:15.:33:16.

If anyone can crack it, he surely can.

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Tonight Leicester City have to sit, watch, and to listen. Yes! And

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that's it. It has finished 2-2. And we can say now Leicester City are

:33:33.:33:40.

the Premier League champions. How on earth did Leicester City win the

:33:41.:33:44.

Premier League? What does their victory tell us about how to win in

:33:45.:33:48.

the world beyond sport? Here are five possible takeaway is. Football

:33:49.:33:56.

is fatigued. It is deciding what to do in response to what the

:33:57.:34:01.

opposition is doing. Many teams playing Leicester decided to attack,

:34:02.:34:05.

they were the minnows destined for a relegation. That gave them a

:34:06.:34:08.

priceless opportunity to play on the counterattack. Like so many

:34:09.:34:14.

successful underdogs in corporate and political worlds, they found the

:34:15.:34:21.

perfect tactical niche. Look at what happened with Nokia, somebody who

:34:22.:34:24.

made gumboots, nobody thought they would be a mobile phone company.

:34:25.:34:30.

Nobody was really paying attention to what Apple was doing with phones.

:34:31.:34:34.

The idea that you can get your opponents to underestimate you is

:34:35.:34:37.

one of the great advantages in the world.

:34:38.:34:39.

The modus operandi of modern football is the Galacticos signing.

:34:40.:34:41.

You get a team made up of paycheque players.

:34:42.:34:49.

Soloists, who never really learn to play as an orchestra.

:34:50.:35:01.

The Leicester fans have a new group of heroes. But this is a group of

:35:02.:35:06.

disparate men, many of whom have been plucked from obscurity.

:35:07.:35:09.

In the 1890s a French engineer asked his students to pull on a rope

:35:10.:35:12.

Pulling alone, they managed 85 kilos.

:35:13.:35:18.

When they combined as a team, the individual contribution

:35:19.:35:20.

This is still considered a seminal experiment because it showed that

:35:21.:35:27.

teams do not always add up to more than the sum of their parts.

:35:28.:35:31.

People allow others to take the burden.

:35:32.:35:42.

One of the engines behind the early success of Apple was the passion of

:35:43.:35:48.

its consumers. For them it wasn't just the brand, but the community.

:35:49.:35:53.

One of the most complex managerial challenges has been to sustain a

:35:54.:35:57.

sense of intimacy as the company has grown into a global giant. The same

:35:58.:36:02.

problem manifests itself in football. For example many of the

:36:03.:36:07.

traditional fan base of Manchester United have come to feel alienated

:36:08.:36:12.

from the club as it has grown into a global franchise.

:36:13.:36:24.

Leicester City is small enough as a club to retain

:36:25.:36:27.

a sense of intimacy, a real sense of community ownership.

:36:28.:36:35.

If you are going to have your best season ever, do it when your main

:36:36.:36:46.

rivals are failing to deliver. What is interesting, if you remember a

:36:47.:36:49.

American retailing, these huge giants, Sears Roebuck, they spent

:36:50.:36:53.

the whole time focused on each other, just as Manchester United

:36:54.:37:00.

worrying about Manchester city, or Chelsea worrying about Arsenal. They

:37:01.:37:04.

did not notice a small company called Amazon coming in from the

:37:05.:37:09.

outside. Everybody in football is trying to deconstruct the Leicester

:37:10.:37:12.

miracle, and their role wide lessons outside of the sport. The beauty of

:37:13.:37:16.

the greatest of sporting upsets is that they cannot be fully explained.

:37:17.:37:21.

That is ultimately what differentiates sport from pure

:37:22.:37:22.

science. John Mickelson wait had put a bet on

:37:23.:37:35.

them winning the Premier League year after year, but he did not do it

:37:36.:37:38.

this year. The film director Stephen Frears -

:37:39.:37:40.

who made My Beautiful Launderette, Philomena, High Fidelity,

:37:41.:37:43.

among many others - is from Good evening. Did you keep the faith

:37:44.:37:56.

with Leicester City? I heard Julian Barnes on the radio this morning, he

:37:57.:38:00.

left Leicester when he was six weeks old and he still supports them. I

:38:01.:38:05.

did up until my 20s. Who do you support now? Arsenal. I'm a tragic

:38:06.:38:11.

figure, yes. It's got worse. The interesting thing is there is a

:38:12.:38:16.

story, and isn't that what football is really about? Of course. You are

:38:17.:38:20.

a journalist, so you would say that. But isn't that really the story?

:38:21.:38:24.

Would make a great film, wouldn't it? Wove you should never try to

:38:25.:38:29.

make a film about soccer. But all that has happened is a provincial

:38:30.:38:36.

club has beaten metropolitan clubs, that is always satisfying. A club

:38:37.:38:40.

run by a highly eccentric intelligent Italian has done well,

:38:41.:38:43.

those are values I support. You don't seem quite as excited about it

:38:44.:38:49.

as the rest of the nation. Perhaps I'm a party Bupa. All you want to

:38:50.:38:52.

say is well done, and it's great for the people of Leicester. Great for

:38:53.:38:57.

Ranieri and all his players, that's terrific. Reflect on the appeal of

:38:58.:39:02.

an underdog. What is it in the past that makes us so happy? We all

:39:03.:39:07.

believe in Hollywood. I'm more sceptical about the Hollywood bit.

:39:08.:39:12.

But you like an underdog, don't you? And trying to think. Of course I do.

:39:13.:39:18.

They are the best movies, aren't they? I'm not as sentimental as you

:39:19.:39:23.

are, I can feel a sob, a lump in your throat. People had already

:39:24.:39:30.

started thinking about the movie, but that would not interest you? I

:39:31.:39:36.

don't know how you show soccer on the screen. It is so good to watch.

:39:37.:39:41.

The match Spurs played was so incredible, so violent, amongst

:39:42.:39:45.

other things. You'd never get that on films. One of the things people

:39:46.:39:51.

say about football, it was much nicer in the old day when players

:39:52.:39:59.

were paid 6p, and it was very different. Are you on the point of

:40:00.:40:06.

saying capitalism has destroyed soccer? People keep saying that, but

:40:07.:40:10.

don't they really want the best players in the world. On the one

:40:11.:40:15.

hand you see gains you never dreamt about, the quality now is

:40:16.:40:24.

phenomenal. But you lose the partisanship, you lose the modesty.

:40:25.:40:28.

And yesterday was a day for modesty. So I hope that lesson has been

:40:29.:40:32.

learnt. I'd be very surprised if it has. Key question, you are not going

:40:33.:40:38.

to give up Arsenal and go back to Leicester, are you? No, no. Football

:40:39.:40:44.

has a tragic quality. And the people of Leicester will be in despair next

:40:45.:40:48.

season, I'm afraid. I wonder whether that's true. That's because you are

:40:49.:40:55.

sentimental. Actually there are much more interesting lessons to be

:40:56.:40:59.

learned from Spurs and West Ham. It's a miracle they've won, and you

:41:00.:41:05.

can only be consumed with admiration, up to appoint. Stephen

:41:06.:41:09.

Frears, thanks much indeed. That's almost it. Flash photography, as we

:41:10.:41:18.

leave you with the London mayoral candidate Zac Goldsmith who ran into

:41:19.:41:21.

trouble in an interview for saying he was a Bollywood fan.

:41:22.:41:26.

The intrepid reporter from Red Carpet News TV

:41:27.:41:28.

smelled his opportunity and went full Paxman.

:41:29.:41:30.

If you look very hard, you can almost see what's

:41:31.:41:32.

I'm a Bollywood fan, so anything with a Bollywood

:41:33.:41:37.

Do you have a favourite actor, a favourite Bollywood film?

:41:38.:41:41.

You can't think of a single Bollywood film or actor?

:41:42.:41:48.

I date my Oxford life from my first meeting with Sebastien.

:41:49.:41:53.

I love almost everything about Bollywood.

:41:54.:42:02.

I love the atmosphere, I love the colour, I love the

:42:03.:42:05.

In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Evan Davis.

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