With Kirsty Wark. The latest from the local elections as polls close across UK. The final part of the EU film trilogy. And the sacked government mental health chief speaks out.
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Political excitement across Britain tonight with counting underway
But exclusively on Newsnight, more trouble for Jeremy Corbyn
as one of the MPs who nominated him says Labour is going backwards
and the leader's inner team is dividing the party.
Zac, do you feel comfortable with the prominence of race in this
campaign? I'm not doing interviews at this minute. But do you feel
comfortable? Very comfortable with this campaign.
The Conservative Party's top man in London tells us Zac Goldsmith's
controversial campaign for London Mayor has
Is it ever possible to please everybody in a trading union?
The last in our trilogy on what became of the European Union dream.
We need to start thinking about mental health from birth and giving
children the tools they need to develop high self-esteem.
She was the government's first ever mental health champion for schools.
Now her job has been axed after she talked to head
teachers about the pressure on today's schoolchildren.
Scottish Parliamentary elections, English and Welsh local elections,
It's been a cornucopia, a feast of politics, and big eruptions too,
not least Labour's problems with anti-semitism, and accusations
by Zac Goldsmith that his Labour opponent who's most like to be
the new London mayor, gave oxygen to extremists.
Before we embark on any post poll analysis, here's
It's great to be here in Richmond, and this is where it
all started for Zac, who would be an outstanding Mayor of London.
We're looking to gain seats where we can.
I'm asking people to elect an SNP government with me as First Minister
so that we can invest record sums in our health service.
I'm in this because I believe in tackling poverty and inequality.
It's what drives me out of my bed every single day.
More homes, better transport, safer streets.
More homes, better transport, safer streets.
I hope Londoners choose hope over fear.
My campaign has been overwhelmingly positive.
So what are you saying about Sadiq Khan?
I have made it very clear that I have never suggested that
Sadiq Khan is an extremist in any way.
I'm a Bollywood fan, so anything with a Bollywood
Do you have a favourite actor or a favourite Bollywood film?
That was Hitler's policy when he first came to power.
I think you've lost that Mr Livingstone.
Is it good politics to bring up Adolf Hitler?
Come on everybody, let's head down the...
Emily is in the election results studio.
Emily. A campaign not short of drama and we should get more in a few
moments time, this screen will light up as results start pouring in, and
we will see how the political landscape is changing since that
extraordinary night in 2015. It is impossible to stress enough that
this is not one British election, it is a series of votes that could
yield different results in different places. If you see labour struggling
in Scotland, they could still have a good night in Wales, or if the
Tories go backwards in Wales they could still pick up seats in
England. Some results will be a referendum on party leaders old and
new, but not all. When we start to look at the direction of travel,
what is happening to the share of the vote, you will want to look out
for Ukip in Wales perhaps or who comes second in Scotland, whether
the Lib Dems show any signs of recovery. I'll show you some of the
things we are looking out for, some key battles. Trafford, for example,
controlled right now by the Conservatives. Can they hang on in
one of their only big metropolitan councils in the north? We'll see
what happens there. Same sort of battle in Crawley. Now, this is
Labour's handful of Southern California is -- handful of Southern
Council. And watch out for Dudley, will Ukip start to come through and
through the result? We may even get the start of results in for
somewhere like Sunderland or Newcastle, Sunderland comes quickly,
if we do I'll bring them to you as soon is we get them here. Right now
we will talk to our new political editor, thrown in at the deep end,
that's how we like to do things. Nick, some breaking news? That's
right, Sky News have broken the news that ad Andy Burnham is giving
serious consideration to standing for the new post of mayor of greater
Manchester. The BBC have confirmed that he is giving it very serious
consideration, and that he has been approached. Why is he doing this?
The personal reason is he would say, he tried to stand for the leadership
twice, it did not quite work out, maybe you should do something new.
There is also a political reason. Andy Burnham is saying that Labour,
which is going to do really badly in Scotland tonight, made a terrible
mistake when the Scottish parliament was founded in 1999, only one big
beast went there, now we've got these elected mayors across England
and he's saying we need a big beast doing it. It sounds very positive
but what would be the knock-on for Jeremy Corbyn? He would be elected
next year, 2017, is three years away from surely when he will be Home
Secretary. Andy Burnham knows that there will probably not be a Labour
Home Secretary in 2020, so look for pastures new. What the Corbyn camp
is saying to mag is that they could face but no official party has faced
outside a general election year since 1985 which is a net loss of
seats. They are saying that's not a crisis because you should be looking
not when these last seats were 14 2012 but what happened in the local
elections last year when Labour just got 29%. Other people in the Labour
Party are saying that's not good enough and the jungle drums are
beginning to beat and I think we are going to find people standing up. If
Sadiq Khan wins in London he is going to say he won by being
pro-business and reaching out across the political spectrum. Give us a
sense of the mood in that party and in all parties right now. There is a
message in terms of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership coming out of the Corbyn
camp. They have said to me, if there is a coup, bring it on, because
Jeremy Corbyn will be on the ballot, Jeremy Corbyn will win, and more
than that he will do even better than he did last year. Their message
is, you want to do it, bring it on. What is interesting is that barring
a big accident tonight, and that big accident would have to be Sadiq Khan
not winning in London, barring that big accident I do not believe that
we are going to be seen immediately a leadership challenge, but what we
are going to see is new faces raising concerns about his
leadership, and it's interesting. We'll be hearing soon on Newsnight,
Kirsty will be interviewing me or call oh, one of the Labour MPs who
nominated but didn't back Jeremy Corbyn last you. He's going to be
raising concerns about the direction of the party under Jeremy Corbyn's
leadership. Fascinating. We'll get the first results in overnight from
the north of England, Scotland, Wales. We will not get that may oral
result until tomorrow evening possibly. You have interviews to do,
Kirsty, back to you. I'm joined by Neil Coyle whose
nomination of Jeremy Corbyn last year ensured his name would be
on the ballot. As we're heard from Nick,
he's now unhappy. What would be a good night and what
would be a bad night? At this stage, after six years of Tory led
government we should not be losing seats. If the Labour Party is going
to be back in government where I wanted to be an Labour members
wanted to be, we need to be winning, not losing anything this evening. I
very much hope the activists, campaigners and supporters who have
been out all day today and for weeks and months this year, I hope the
results to come through and it isn't as bad a picture as is being
projected. You heard Nick saying he looks to you as somebody now coming
out and voicing concerns about Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and the
group around him in that leadership. What do you think the problem is?
Well, the problem for me is that, I won in last year in Bermondsey and
Southwark, constituency that hadn't had a Labour MP for more than three
decades, and a constituency that very much needs a Labour government.
Problem as we seem to be seen again tonight, and I hope it is not
accurate, that we are moving further away from government. I think that
is because we seem to be fixated on some issues that are peripheral, and
we seem to have a team that is not projecting either unity within the
party or a vision, and policies that the voters want us to see. When I'm
out knocking on doors in Bermondsey they need to know what our policies
are on housing and education. And too often all they seem to be
hearing is anti-Tory, not pro-labour. Choose Labour because we
will have a better education system. Is this coming out of the inner
circle, and where do you lay the blame for this? There is a core team
that seem unable to get out of the mindset that is, they are out to get
us. Look at what Nick was saying about, if there is a coup. This is
not about a coup, I am here because I want a Labour Prime Minister and a
Labour government. Tonight is results look like they will send us
back from that. You say you are backpedalling. Do you have people in
mind that are too close to Jeremy Corbyn and giving him the wrong idea
is? It is not about being too close to Jeremy Corbyn. There are people
that share a particular creed in the party but it is about not having
enough diversity in that team. Then need to be people in that team that
do not share one vision on unilateralism or whatever it might
be. We need people there to say what the platform has to be on housing
for example. And who are able to say we cannot just have an anti-Tory and
a divisive agenda that is about, we are not for the rich, we are only
for a certain group. Are there more people like you that will be coming
out in the coming days and weeks? I don't know. I'm hearing from
colleagues, MPs and councillors across the country who are saying
how bad it is in certain areas. I think there will be a frustration.
There is no one in the Labour Party who doesn't want a Labour
government. I think the way to get to a Labour government is to be
honest, robust, and look at, why have we fallen backwards and not on
forwards now? You nominated Jeremy but you didn't vote for him, you
voted for Yvette Cooper. If there is an attempt at a coup, you have all
the members falling behind him. You put him there and he is there to
stay, do you regret that? Well I nominated Jeremy because I wanted to
broadened the debate, and unfortunately it has been fixated on
peripheral issues that are not related to the day-to-day, the doors
I knock on in Bermondsey. I regret the fact that we seem to be moving
back beyond Ed Miliband's first year as Labour leader which led to a
general election defeat. If we fallen back on that I can't do
anything but regret that nomination and that's a very sad position to
be. There is still time to turn that around. We need unity in the team
and we need to be building the policy platform that brings voters
back to Labour. Thank you very much indeed.
As we heard from Neil Colye, Labour's leader's facing a lot
of challenges right now not least the row over anti semitism in the
Has this damaged your leadership? Since Jeremy Corbyn announced
Labour's enquiry into anti-Semitism at least six more party members have
been suspended. This is what we know and it's not much. The enquiry will
be chaired by Shami Chakrabarti. The former director of liberty. The
deputy chair is Professor David Feldman, director of the Pears
Institute for the Study of Anti-Semitism. They will report back
within two months. Less than a week in, questions are being raised about
Professor Feldman and whether he is truly independent. Professor Feldman
is a signatory to a group called Independent Jewish voices. On Sunday
it released a statement saying that while there had been comments which
had clearly crossed the line of anti-Semitism, it added...
Professor Feldman referred to comments he made in the Jewish
Chronicle where he said the statement couldn't possibly reflect
the views of every single Independent Jewish voices and
signature in. is his previous published work on
what does and doesn't constitute anti-Semitism. My understanding that
in a previous report of Professor Feldman has ruled out the
possibility of the notion that equating the actions of the state of
Israel with those of Nazi Germany, who led the systematic orchestrated
mass genocide of 6 million Jews and many millions of others can ever be
anti-Semitic. As somebody who has prejudged this to the extent that a
set of troops and narratives that the majority of Jewish people in
this country today fined for apartment, offensive and certainly
to have anti-Semitic impact doesn't seem to me somebody who will inspire
the confidence of the Jewish community in terms of the job he has
been asked to do. Several senior Labour Party members have expressed
concern at how this whole situation has been handled by the leadership.
And inquiry of this sort are about giving reassurance, should consult
with mainstream Jewish community organisations. It should think
carefully about who is involved in it. And there should be careful
thought about whether it should be a leader 's enquiry or a Labour Party
inquiry. Its point of reference should be carefully thought out.
Newsnight understands there are some in the Labour leadership your
knowledge decisions about this enquiry into anti-Semitism were made
in haste. But they add they would have faced criticism whoever they
had appointed. It is significant that today, polling day, both Shami
Chakrabarti and those at the top of the party have met with Jewish
groups to try to reassure them. Some Labour members are now pushing for
more expertise to be added to the inquiry panel. But it's still too
early to know whether the party handling of allegations of
anti-Semitism will have any impact on votes. A Labour Party
spokesperson gave us this statement. Professor David Feldman will be vice
chair of the inquiry set up by Jeremy Corbyn. The inquiry and
report will be led by Shami Chakrabarti, who has already begun
work into ensuring the inquiry will be rigorous, fairer and
representative. Jeremy Corbyn isn't the only embattled senior
Jeremy Corbyn's not the only embattled senior politician.
Zac Goldsmith's campaign to be be Conservative London mayor drew
criticism for dog whistle politics when he accused his Labour opponent
Siddiq Khan of sharing a platform with terrorist sympathisers
Earlier this week Newsnight's Secunder Kermani caught up
with Zac Goldsmith and put some of the charges to him.
Zac, do you feel comfortable with the prominence of race in this
No, I'm not doing any interviews at the moment,
No, but do you feel comfortable or not?
We're very comfortable with the campaign, it's
Zac, everyone is saying this isn't you, do you regret taking
on Lynton Crosby's firm to run your campaign?
Well I'm joined now by the leader of the Conservative group
on the Greater London Assembly, Andrew Boff.
Good evening, what do you make of Zac Goldsmith's campaign? I think it
was mostly good but I was really troubled by one particular aspect of
it. That's Wednesday, when he started to equate people of
conservative religious views with sympathising with terrorism. That
sent a message out to many of the communities in London that is very
difficult to justify. Was it dog whistle politics? I don't think it
was dog whistle, you can't hear dog whistle, everybody could hear this.
It was effectively saying people of conservative religious views are not
to be trusted and you shouldn't share a platform with them, that's
outrageous. They seemed to forget 24 team wasn't a great year for the
Conservative Party in London, one of the few boroughs that swung to us
was in Newark where the Conservatives there actively engaged
with the Muslim community. Now those bridges that have been built have
been... A few of them have been blown up by this campaign. As
serious as that? You think they've done lasting damage? I think it has
and a lot of us on the ground will have to spend a lot of time on
trying to re-establish those links. He received advice and he was wrong
to accept the advice, from whoever the campaign people were. He wasn't
orchestrating who was orchestrating a campaign if
not that Goldsmith himself? It's something I intend to ask after the
election result, but I don't want us to do this in London again, it's
done real damage. People might say you are saying that because you went
for the nomination and didn't get it... They can say what they like
really, can't they? I've been loyal to Zac all the way three, I think
he's an excellent candid and what really hurts me is I don't think
this sounds like authentic Zac Goldsmith, this kind of political I
didn't think was Zac, it doesn't have his stamp on it. He said in an
interview in the Guardian, very briefly he said he really wasn't a
normal campaign. It's not enjoyable. -- it wasn't a normal campaign. Do
you think he was a puppet? I think there was so much we could have
attacked Sadiq Khan four, his unrealistic economic policy,
destruction of investment if he brings in his housing policies. The
threat to step free access on transport network if you freezes
fares. All of these things are great things that we could have attacked
and we chose to use this particular policy mean as the centre of the
campaign, it was ridiculous. You say it's blown up a lot of ridges. If
it's going to damage a campaign it won't just be Zac Goldsmith. Do you
worry if other considered candidates standing for council? I believe it
will affect Conservatives at the sharp end especially in areas with a
high Muslim publishing. -- population. We've taken a couple of
steps back during the period of this campaign. Two other people in the
party share the concerns you have? Yes, I'm not alone. Obviously we
don't shout about it during the campaign, we are loyal
Conservatives, we hit the streets, campaign for the Conservatives. Were
you getting backlash on the doorstep? Yes. If you don't bring it
up during the campaign, what will happen now? I did bring it up to Zac
's team during the campaign, I mentioned I thought it was a mistake
for future integration of London. You know, this is... If you are a
London politician this is just a bizarre, bizarre thing to do. And
the Conservative Party will suffer, you were saying? I believe so. We're
going to make sure the Conservative Party doesn't suffer.
As soon as one vote is over along comes another one...
Ahead of the EU referendum our final film in Gabriel Gatehouse's
trilogy looking at the EU from the perspective
He's been touring continental Europe seeing whether the reality has
matched the original post war dream, what has suceeded beyond
the founding father's dreams, and what has fallen short
of their grand vision of a united and prosperous Europe.
Out of the ruins of war arose a vision of Europe.
The founding fathers dreamt of ever closer union.
All governments wanted to remain half free.
And so, we've come to the third and final part in our series.
In this chapter, we're going to focus on the
Has monetary union furthered those original
aims of the founders of the
Europe was built on the promise of a shared prosperity.
That was the deal, that was the dream.
This is the reality of life in Greece today.
Naoussa, 500 kilometres north of Athens, was once
When the factories began to fail in the
1990s, people got by on a mixture of credit and government subsidies.
networks are strong, the rise of the bread queue
is a sign that things have gone very wrong indeed.
Tasos lost his job as a casual labourer
They have an infant daughter and they can't
Almost every day we listen to the news, and they always
Nearly half the residents of this town are unemployed.
And these are the people who've been hit hardest.
Many blame their own leaders for the economic mess,
This austerity, these measures, they are so cruel.
Last year they voted overwhelmingly against austerity.
Faith in the European project is evaporating,
but many fear that life outside the euro would be even
So it came to pass that a radical left-wing government
democratically elected on a promise to keep national asset in state
hands is selling off Piraeus, the largest
port in the country, to
The monster in this cautionary tale is the so-called
troika, the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the IMF.
The moral of the story, if you want to be part
of a club, you have to
In the cradle of democracy, the will of the people has been trumped by
the will of Brussels. The idea of a single currency was to promote
closer cooperation to the benefit of all. But there's a problem. From the
very beginning there were questions. Can you have monetary union without
having political union as well? Can you have a single currency and lots
of different economic policies? What Greece shows us is that you can't.
Earlier in this seaweed we met George Bertrand, former chief of
staff to one of the founding fathers of the EU. Like many true believers,
his solution to this economic conundrum is closer union.
Kretschmer early in this series. At the time it was discussed I was
very strongly... We had a meeting... He said, we have to have that in
common. We have common currency. We have the common economy policy. And
we don't have any political responsibility to evolve the policy,
to manage it and to control it. The single currency was supposed to
synchronise economies. But Europe's members aren't all dancing to the
same June. -- tune. This is Maastricht, the place where the euro
was born. It was once an innocuous provincial Dutch town. Until, that
is, they signed a treaty here. Note to the left, 360. The document so
divisive it spit parties and governments tottered. Maastricht has
come to embody Britain's fractious relationship with Europe.
Maastricht isn't universally synonymous with nightmare, with
strife. Elsewhere the significance of this city is it is the place
where a community became a union, wet European leaders took several
steps towards that dream of a federal Europe.
We go in search of the document, which is housed in a sort of modern
castle. Apparently surrounded by a moat.
Eric Lemmons is the curator, the man who guards the treaty. For
this is it. It's a copy, not the original. Maybe after the Rome
Treaty the most important treaty signed between the European
countries. We persuade them to open up the Cabinet. So we can leave
through the treaty for ourselves. This is the signatures page. We've
got Denmark... The first signature page. Portugal and the United
Kingdom. These famous British opt outs, that is the protocol. They are
all in here somewhere. How significant is this document? On a
macro this treaty? Very significant. The European Union was founded on
this treaty and because of the common European currency, which was
also established by this treaty. Yeah.
In Germany they have a single word that describes their post-war
resurrection. Come to the Porsche factory in Stuttgart and see for
yourself. But there's more to this economic miracle than efficiency
alone. Germany has also been the clear winner from the euro. The
crisis in the Eurozone in Greece and elsewhere has kept the euro week.
And that is good for Germany's export driven economy. Now, it may
seem a little unfair to take the slick production lines of the
Porsche factory as your comparison for the rest of European
manufacturing. But in fact this place is emblematic of Germany's
success. What monetary union has done is it has favoured German
exports, and that in turn has helped this country come out on top. The
workers at Porsche may celebrate their stable, well-paid jobs. But
they are also wary of Germany's growing economic dominance. Spain or
Portugal, no chance against a big industrial republic like Germany.
There is a realisation that German success depends on the survival of
the union. Yeah, why did Germany bailout Greece? It is because all
are connected somehow to each other. And if one goes then the whole
system is collapsing. Here is a confident country, and one that
mostly believes in the European project. They are frustrated with
those who just don't seem to get it. Now, hold on a minute. Whatever else
the Germans are good at, we are the ones that make the jokes.
When we meet, we have a little moment, are heart-to-heart from one
evening show to another. Who watches television in the morning? I have no
idea. People who need help. Many of his jokes seem to revolve around
sausage. But he uses wurst to make serious points, about Germany's
unease as its role as leader in the economic and migrant crises. In
Germany there is an expression to do with wurst, it means mingling along
and seeing what happens. Can we continue like that? Can we continue
to sausage our way through Europe? I invented a whole new expression.
Well, it worked for the last five or six years. Not so sure if it is
really the master plan for the next years. But one thing you can be
sure, there will never be at German government which will say, OK, now
we really take the lead. If you lead the way and the rest follows and it
doesn't work, they hate you for the rest of your life. Even we want to
be loved. That's the sad truth. Even the Germans want to be liked. It's
been more than 65 years since Europe set out upon a journey that has led
to today's complex union of 28 member states. But from the very
beginning the founding fathers identified one country as key to the
European project. We wanted to give Germany a path to recovery,
sovereignty, with us, not against us. Making sure that the German
recovery would not become a threat. But an asset. This is what happened.
It just happened that the most powerful country in Europe believes
in Europe, the European dream. And so we are back where we were at the
beginning of our series. In this German town overlooking the Rhine
into France. Whatever you think about the post-war European project,
its greatest achievement surely is this, that it does now seem
inconceivable for any member of the union to take up arms against
another. If the European dream is peace then the EU has succeeded. But
as Europe struggles to find common responses to the crises of the
21st-century, it's clear: the EU is today about more than peace. The
question is, how much more? That's the issue that now provides this
continent. When the very first mental health
champion for schools in England was appointed by the government
last summer, Natasha Devon's new role was announced
with great fanfare. The appointment was part of a wider
government initiative to improve children and young people's mental
health over the next five years - including the way services
work with schools. But then last week in a speech
to the Headmasters' and Headmistresses conference
Natasha Devon said this about testing of school
children in schools: At one end of the scale we've got
four-year-olds being tested. At the other end of
the scale we've got teenagers leaving school,
facing the prospect of leaving university with record
amounts of debt. Anxiety is the fastest-growing
illness in under 21s. She was told on Tuesday
by the Department for Education Good evening. What are your
substantive concerns about child mental health? My concern is that we
know that the person's socio- economic circumstances affect their
mental health. We know that looked after children, half of them will
leave care exhibiting symptoms of mental illness compared with one in
ten in the wider population. My concern is that the government is
giving with one hand, and taking away with another. I go into three
schools are weak, talk with about 500 teenagers, and they tell me that
things like exam stress or concerns about career prospects when they
leave school, are affecting them until health. Until we address those
root causes, we can have all the services in the world, but we will
not get to the root of the issue. When you made the speech to the
headteachers, did the government know what you were going to say, the
gist of it? No. Well, when I was first offered this role in August
last year I enquired as to whether there would be any payment for the
role, it is a very high profile role. I was told that no, they
couldn't even pay my expenses because it was very important that I
remained independent and objective. So I took them at their word and I
did remain independent and objective, and I wouldn't have taken
the role if that hadn't been on the table. We are now told that this new
mental health champion is going to be introduced which will render my
role obsolete, but that it will be role. There are two con versions you
can come to. Either I was lied to and they were trying to get the
benefit of my expertise without paying me, or this new mental health
champion will be paid effectively to toe the party line. So, you made the
speech, then you are told very quickly afterwards, your job is
obsolete, why do you think that happened? Is difficult. It's not
outside the rounds of possibility that what the Department for
Education are saying, that this was a task force recommendation that has
come to pass, and that it was outside of their control, it is not
outside the realms of possibility that it is true but it seems very
convenient. Let me just tell you, we have a response from the Department
Frederick and. "Natasha Has done a great job of helping us raise the
profile of children's mental health. Since that time the task force
report has been produced with recommendations. We have asked
Natasha to continue to work with us as we prepare to launch our activity
later this year". They have asked me to continue sitting on a steering
group very specifically looking at peer men touring, and that was a
project in place before I took the role in August. However they have
told me that I am no longer to make any statements publicly as mental
health champion. From that statement what I garner is they still want the
benefits of being associated with me but they just don't want me to say a
thing that might embarrass them. Let me be absolutely clear. One of my
instincts when this story broke was to hide under a table and wait for
it all to blow over. I've been in this role for nine months, I've been
going into schools and campaigning on mental health for nine years.
I'll be fine, I'll just carry on doing what I've always done. When I
first took the role I said to the department what I want to do is
bring the concerns of young people and the people who teach them to
government level. It is not me being silenced, it is young people and
teachers, and that's why I am here. Do you think that the government
doesn't take seriously enough the issues of mental health, young
people and children in schools? I think the government knows that
young people don't vote, or if they do they are very unlikely to vote
Tory, and they have historically ignored their needs and the price
that they've paid is that now we have seen a crisis in their mental
health. And in terms of moving forward, how confident are you that
enough will be done? I hope that the new mental health champion, which
will be across all departments, is able to be a positive force for
good. And I hope. There have been some good projects within the DFE
and I wish them all the very best of luck with them. But I remain
sceptical. Thank you for joining us. That's all we've done for. Remember
to tune in to the election results programme. I will be in Scotland
tomorrow to analyse all the results. Until then, good night.
Temperatures reached into the high teens, low 20s across many parts of
England and Wales today. Lots more warm sunshine to come. More cloud