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Political excitement across Britain tonight with counting underway | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
But exclusively on Newsnight, more trouble for Jeremy Corbyn | :00:07. | :00:17. | |
as one of the MPs who nominated him says Labour is going backwards | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
and the leader's inner team is dividing the party. | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
Zac, do you feel comfortable with the prominence of race in this | :00:24. | :00:34. | |
campaign? I'm not doing interviews at this minute. But do you feel | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
comfortable? Very comfortable with this campaign. | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
The Conservative Party's top man in London tells us Zac Goldsmith's | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
controversial campaign for London Mayor has | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
Is it ever possible to please everybody in a trading union? | :00:46. | :01:00. | |
The last in our trilogy on what became of the European Union dream. | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
We need to start thinking about mental health from birth and giving | :01:04. | :01:14. | |
children the tools they need to develop high self-esteem. | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
She was the government's first ever mental health champion for schools. | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
Now her job has been axed after she talked to head | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
teachers about the pressure on today's schoolchildren. | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
Scottish Parliamentary elections, English and Welsh local elections, | :01:24. | :01:37. | |
It's been a cornucopia, a feast of politics, and big eruptions too, | :01:38. | :01:49. | |
not least Labour's problems with anti-semitism, and accusations | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
by Zac Goldsmith that his Labour opponent who's most like to be | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
the new London mayor, gave oxygen to extremists. | :01:57. | :01:57. | |
Before we embark on any post poll analysis, here's | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
It's great to be here in Richmond, and this is where it | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
all started for Zac, who would be an outstanding Mayor of London. | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
We're looking to gain seats where we can. | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
I'm asking people to elect an SNP government with me as First Minister | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
so that we can invest record sums in our health service. | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
I'm in this because I believe in tackling poverty and inequality. | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
It's what drives me out of my bed every single day. | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
More homes, better transport, safer streets. | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
More homes, better transport, safer streets. | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
I hope Londoners choose hope over fear. | :02:42. | :02:42. | |
My campaign has been overwhelmingly positive. | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
So what are you saying about Sadiq Khan? | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
I have made it very clear that I have never suggested that | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
Sadiq Khan is an extremist in any way. | :02:51. | :02:51. | |
I'm a Bollywood fan, so anything with a Bollywood | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
Do you have a favourite actor or a favourite Bollywood film? | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
That was Hitler's policy when he first came to power. | :03:03. | :03:10. | |
I think you've lost that Mr Livingstone. | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
Is it good politics to bring up Adolf Hitler? | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
Come on everybody, let's head down the... | :03:16. | :03:30. | |
Emily is in the election results studio. | :03:31. | :03:39. | |
Emily. A campaign not short of drama and we should get more in a few | :03:40. | :03:48. | |
moments time, this screen will light up as results start pouring in, and | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
we will see how the political landscape is changing since that | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
extraordinary night in 2015. It is impossible to stress enough that | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
this is not one British election, it is a series of votes that could | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
yield different results in different places. If you see labour struggling | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
in Scotland, they could still have a good night in Wales, or if the | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
Tories go backwards in Wales they could still pick up seats in | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
England. Some results will be a referendum on party leaders old and | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
new, but not all. When we start to look at the direction of travel, | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
what is happening to the share of the vote, you will want to look out | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
for Ukip in Wales perhaps or who comes second in Scotland, whether | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
the Lib Dems show any signs of recovery. I'll show you some of the | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
things we are looking out for, some key battles. Trafford, for example, | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
controlled right now by the Conservatives. Can they hang on in | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
one of their only big metropolitan councils in the north? We'll see | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
what happens there. Same sort of battle in Crawley. Now, this is | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
Labour's handful of Southern California is -- handful of Southern | :04:58. | :05:08. | |
Council. And watch out for Dudley, will Ukip start to come through and | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
through the result? We may even get the start of results in for | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
somewhere like Sunderland or Newcastle, Sunderland comes quickly, | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
if we do I'll bring them to you as soon is we get them here. Right now | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
we will talk to our new political editor, thrown in at the deep end, | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
that's how we like to do things. Nick, some breaking news? That's | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
right, Sky News have broken the news that ad Andy Burnham is giving | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
serious consideration to standing for the new post of mayor of greater | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
Manchester. The BBC have confirmed that he is giving it very serious | :05:44. | :05:51. | |
consideration, and that he has been approached. Why is he doing this? | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
The personal reason is he would say, he tried to stand for the leadership | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
twice, it did not quite work out, maybe you should do something new. | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
There is also a political reason. Andy Burnham is saying that Labour, | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
which is going to do really badly in Scotland tonight, made a terrible | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
mistake when the Scottish parliament was founded in 1999, only one big | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
beast went there, now we've got these elected mayors across England | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
and he's saying we need a big beast doing it. It sounds very positive | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
but what would be the knock-on for Jeremy Corbyn? He would be elected | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
next year, 2017, is three years away from surely when he will be Home | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
Secretary. Andy Burnham knows that there will probably not be a Labour | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
Home Secretary in 2020, so look for pastures new. What the Corbyn camp | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
is saying to mag is that they could face but no official party has faced | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
outside a general election year since 1985 which is a net loss of | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
seats. They are saying that's not a crisis because you should be looking | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
not when these last seats were 14 2012 but what happened in the local | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
elections last year when Labour just got 29%. Other people in the Labour | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
Party are saying that's not good enough and the jungle drums are | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
beginning to beat and I think we are going to find people standing up. If | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
Sadiq Khan wins in London he is going to say he won by being | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
pro-business and reaching out across the political spectrum. Give us a | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
sense of the mood in that party and in all parties right now. There is a | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
message in terms of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership coming out of the Corbyn | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
camp. They have said to me, if there is a coup, bring it on, because | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will be on the ballot, Jeremy Corbyn will win, and more | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
than that he will do even better than he did last year. Their message | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
is, you want to do it, bring it on. What is interesting is that barring | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
a big accident tonight, and that big accident would have to be Sadiq Khan | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
not winning in London, barring that big accident I do not believe that | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
we are going to be seen immediately a leadership challenge, but what we | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
are going to see is new faces raising concerns about his | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
leadership, and it's interesting. We'll be hearing soon on Newsnight, | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
Kirsty will be interviewing me or call oh, one of the Labour MPs who | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
nominated but didn't back Jeremy Corbyn last you. He's going to be | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
raising concerns about the direction of the party under Jeremy Corbyn's | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
leadership. Fascinating. We'll get the first results in overnight from | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
the north of England, Scotland, Wales. We will not get that may oral | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
result until tomorrow evening possibly. You have interviews to do, | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Kirsty, back to you. I'm joined by Neil Coyle whose | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
nomination of Jeremy Corbyn last year ensured his name would be | :08:37. | :08:47. | |
on the ballot. As we're heard from Nick, | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
he's now unhappy. What would be a good night and what | :08:54. | :09:01. | |
would be a bad night? At this stage, after six years of Tory led | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
government we should not be losing seats. If the Labour Party is going | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
to be back in government where I wanted to be an Labour members | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
wanted to be, we need to be winning, not losing anything this evening. I | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
very much hope the activists, campaigners and supporters who have | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
been out all day today and for weeks and months this year, I hope the | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
results to come through and it isn't as bad a picture as is being | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
projected. You heard Nick saying he looks to you as somebody now coming | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
out and voicing concerns about Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and the | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
group around him in that leadership. What do you think the problem is? | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
Well, the problem for me is that, I won in last year in Bermondsey and | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
Southwark, constituency that hadn't had a Labour MP for more than three | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
decades, and a constituency that very much needs a Labour government. | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
Problem as we seem to be seen again tonight, and I hope it is not | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
accurate, that we are moving further away from government. I think that | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
is because we seem to be fixated on some issues that are peripheral, and | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
we seem to have a team that is not projecting either unity within the | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
party or a vision, and policies that the voters want us to see. When I'm | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
out knocking on doors in Bermondsey they need to know what our policies | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
are on housing and education. And too often all they seem to be | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
hearing is anti-Tory, not pro-labour. Choose Labour because we | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
will have a better education system. Is this coming out of the inner | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
circle, and where do you lay the blame for this? There is a core team | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
that seem unable to get out of the mindset that is, they are out to get | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
us. Look at what Nick was saying about, if there is a coup. This is | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
not about a coup, I am here because I want a Labour Prime Minister and a | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
Labour government. Tonight is results look like they will send us | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
back from that. You say you are backpedalling. Do you have people in | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
mind that are too close to Jeremy Corbyn and giving him the wrong idea | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
is? It is not about being too close to Jeremy Corbyn. There are people | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
that share a particular creed in the party but it is about not having | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
enough diversity in that team. Then need to be people in that team that | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
do not share one vision on unilateralism or whatever it might | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
be. We need people there to say what the platform has to be on housing | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
for example. And who are able to say we cannot just have an anti-Tory and | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
a divisive agenda that is about, we are not for the rich, we are only | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
for a certain group. Are there more people like you that will be coming | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
out in the coming days and weeks? I don't know. I'm hearing from | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
colleagues, MPs and councillors across the country who are saying | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
how bad it is in certain areas. I think there will be a frustration. | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
There is no one in the Labour Party who doesn't want a Labour | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
government. I think the way to get to a Labour government is to be | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
honest, robust, and look at, why have we fallen backwards and not on | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
forwards now? You nominated Jeremy but you didn't vote for him, you | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
voted for Yvette Cooper. If there is an attempt at a coup, you have all | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
the members falling behind him. You put him there and he is there to | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
stay, do you regret that? Well I nominated Jeremy because I wanted to | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
broadened the debate, and unfortunately it has been fixated on | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
peripheral issues that are not related to the day-to-day, the doors | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
I knock on in Bermondsey. I regret the fact that we seem to be moving | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
back beyond Ed Miliband's first year as Labour leader which led to a | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
general election defeat. If we fallen back on that I can't do | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
anything but regret that nomination and that's a very sad position to | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
be. There is still time to turn that around. We need unity in the team | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
and we need to be building the policy platform that brings voters | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
back to Labour. Thank you very much indeed. | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
As we heard from Neil Colye, Labour's leader's facing a lot | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
of challenges right now not least the row over anti semitism in the | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
Has this damaged your leadership? Since Jeremy Corbyn announced | :13:21. | :13:28. | |
Labour's enquiry into anti-Semitism at least six more party members have | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
been suspended. This is what we know and it's not much. The enquiry will | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
be chaired by Shami Chakrabarti. The former director of liberty. The | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
deputy chair is Professor David Feldman, director of the Pears | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
Institute for the Study of Anti-Semitism. They will report back | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
within two months. Less than a week in, questions are being raised about | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
Professor Feldman and whether he is truly independent. Professor Feldman | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
is a signatory to a group called Independent Jewish voices. On Sunday | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
it released a statement saying that while there had been comments which | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
had clearly crossed the line of anti-Semitism, it added... | :14:09. | :14:15. | |
Professor Feldman referred to comments he made in the Jewish | :14:16. | :14:41. | |
Chronicle where he said the statement couldn't possibly reflect | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
the views of every single Independent Jewish voices and | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
signature in. is his previous published work on | :14:46. | :15:12. | |
what does and doesn't constitute anti-Semitism. My understanding that | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
in a previous report of Professor Feldman has ruled out the | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
possibility of the notion that equating the actions of the state of | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
Israel with those of Nazi Germany, who led the systematic orchestrated | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
mass genocide of 6 million Jews and many millions of others can ever be | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
anti-Semitic. As somebody who has prejudged this to the extent that a | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
set of troops and narratives that the majority of Jewish people in | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
this country today fined for apartment, offensive and certainly | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
to have anti-Semitic impact doesn't seem to me somebody who will inspire | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
the confidence of the Jewish community in terms of the job he has | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
been asked to do. Several senior Labour Party members have expressed | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
concern at how this whole situation has been handled by the leadership. | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
And inquiry of this sort are about giving reassurance, should consult | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
with mainstream Jewish community organisations. It should think | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
carefully about who is involved in it. And there should be careful | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
thought about whether it should be a leader 's enquiry or a Labour Party | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
inquiry. Its point of reference should be carefully thought out. | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
Newsnight understands there are some in the Labour leadership your | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
knowledge decisions about this enquiry into anti-Semitism were made | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
in haste. But they add they would have faced criticism whoever they | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
had appointed. It is significant that today, polling day, both Shami | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
Chakrabarti and those at the top of the party have met with Jewish | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
groups to try to reassure them. Some Labour members are now pushing for | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
more expertise to be added to the inquiry panel. But it's still too | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
early to know whether the party handling of allegations of | :16:59. | :17:00. | |
anti-Semitism will have any impact on votes. A Labour Party | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
spokesperson gave us this statement. Professor David Feldman will be vice | :17:06. | :17:15. | |
chair of the inquiry set up by Jeremy Corbyn. The inquiry and | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
report will be led by Shami Chakrabarti, who has already begun | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
work into ensuring the inquiry will be rigorous, fairer and | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
representative. Jeremy Corbyn isn't the only embattled senior | :17:28. | :17:27. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's not the only embattled senior politician. | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
Zac Goldsmith's campaign to be be Conservative London mayor drew | :17:35. | :17:36. | |
criticism for dog whistle politics when he accused his Labour opponent | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
Siddiq Khan of sharing a platform with terrorist sympathisers | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
Earlier this week Newsnight's Secunder Kermani caught up | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
with Zac Goldsmith and put some of the charges to him. | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
Zac, do you feel comfortable with the prominence of race in this | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
No, I'm not doing any interviews at the moment, | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
No, but do you feel comfortable or not? | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
We're very comfortable with the campaign, it's | :17:57. | :17:58. | |
Zac, everyone is saying this isn't you, do you regret taking | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
on Lynton Crosby's firm to run your campaign? | :18:04. | :18:04. | |
Well I'm joined now by the leader of the Conservative group | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
on the Greater London Assembly, Andrew Boff. | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
Good evening, what do you make of Zac Goldsmith's campaign? I think it | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
was mostly good but I was really troubled by one particular aspect of | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
it. That's Wednesday, when he started to equate people of | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
conservative religious views with sympathising with terrorism. That | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
sent a message out to many of the communities in London that is very | :18:32. | :18:39. | |
difficult to justify. Was it dog whistle politics? I don't think it | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
was dog whistle, you can't hear dog whistle, everybody could hear this. | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
It was effectively saying people of conservative religious views are not | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
to be trusted and you shouldn't share a platform with them, that's | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
outrageous. They seemed to forget 24 team wasn't a great year for the | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
Conservative Party in London, one of the few boroughs that swung to us | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
was in Newark where the Conservatives there actively engaged | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
with the Muslim community. Now those bridges that have been built have | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
been... A few of them have been blown up by this campaign. As | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
serious as that? You think they've done lasting damage? I think it has | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
and a lot of us on the ground will have to spend a lot of time on | :19:20. | :19:21. | |
trying to re-establish those links. He received advice and he was wrong | :19:22. | :19:29. | |
to accept the advice, from whoever the campaign people were. He wasn't | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
orchestrating who was orchestrating a campaign if | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
not that Goldsmith himself? It's something I intend to ask after the | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
election result, but I don't want us to do this in London again, it's | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
done real damage. People might say you are saying that because you went | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
for the nomination and didn't get it... They can say what they like | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
really, can't they? I've been loyal to Zac all the way three, I think | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
he's an excellent candid and what really hurts me is I don't think | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
this sounds like authentic Zac Goldsmith, this kind of political I | :20:05. | :20:11. | |
didn't think was Zac, it doesn't have his stamp on it. He said in an | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
interview in the Guardian, very briefly he said he really wasn't a | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
normal campaign. It's not enjoyable. -- it wasn't a normal campaign. Do | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
you think he was a puppet? I think there was so much we could have | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
attacked Sadiq Khan four, his unrealistic economic policy, | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
destruction of investment if he brings in his housing policies. The | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
threat to step free access on transport network if you freezes | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
fares. All of these things are great things that we could have attacked | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
and we chose to use this particular policy mean as the centre of the | :20:46. | :20:53. | |
campaign, it was ridiculous. You say it's blown up a lot of ridges. If | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
it's going to damage a campaign it won't just be Zac Goldsmith. Do you | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
worry if other considered candidates standing for council? I believe it | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
will affect Conservatives at the sharp end especially in areas with a | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
high Muslim publishing. -- population. We've taken a couple of | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
steps back during the period of this campaign. Two other people in the | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
party share the concerns you have? Yes, I'm not alone. Obviously we | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
don't shout about it during the campaign, we are loyal | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
Conservatives, we hit the streets, campaign for the Conservatives. Were | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
you getting backlash on the doorstep? Yes. If you don't bring it | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
up during the campaign, what will happen now? I did bring it up to Zac | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
's team during the campaign, I mentioned I thought it was a mistake | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
for future integration of London. You know, this is... If you are a | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
London politician this is just a bizarre, bizarre thing to do. And | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
the Conservative Party will suffer, you were saying? I believe so. We're | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
going to make sure the Conservative Party doesn't suffer. | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
As soon as one vote is over along comes another one... | :22:04. | :22:05. | |
Ahead of the EU referendum our final film in Gabriel Gatehouse's | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
trilogy looking at the EU from the perspective | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
He's been touring continental Europe seeing whether the reality has | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
matched the original post war dream, what has suceeded beyond | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
the founding father's dreams, and what has fallen short | :22:17. | :22:18. | |
of their grand vision of a united and prosperous Europe. | :22:19. | :22:28. | |
Out of the ruins of war arose a vision of Europe. | :22:29. | :22:39. | |
The founding fathers dreamt of ever closer union. | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
All governments wanted to remain half free. | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
And so, we've come to the third and final part in our series. | :22:48. | :23:03. | |
In this chapter, we're going to focus on the | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
Has monetary union furthered those original | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
aims of the founders of the | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
Europe was built on the promise of a shared prosperity. | :23:11. | :23:30. | |
That was the deal, that was the dream. | :23:31. | :23:37. | |
This is the reality of life in Greece today. | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
Naoussa, 500 kilometres north of Athens, was once | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
When the factories began to fail in the | :23:44. | :23:56. | |
1990s, people got by on a mixture of credit and government subsidies. | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
networks are strong, the rise of the bread queue | :24:00. | :24:14. | |
is a sign that things have gone very wrong indeed. | :24:15. | :24:21. | |
Tasos lost his job as a casual labourer | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
They have an infant daughter and they can't | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
Almost every day we listen to the news, and they always | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
Nearly half the residents of this town are unemployed. | :24:37. | :24:49. | |
And these are the people who've been hit hardest. | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
Many blame their own leaders for the economic mess, | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
This austerity, these measures, they are so cruel. | :25:00. | :25:07. | |
Last year they voted overwhelmingly against austerity. | :25:08. | :25:21. | |
Faith in the European project is evaporating, | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
but many fear that life outside the euro would be even | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
So it came to pass that a radical left-wing government | :25:33. | :25:45. | |
democratically elected on a promise to keep national asset in state | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
hands is selling off Piraeus, the largest | :25:50. | :25:51. | |
port in the country, to | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
The monster in this cautionary tale is the so-called | :25:55. | :26:04. | |
troika, the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the IMF. | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
The moral of the story, if you want to be part | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
of a club, you have to | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
In the cradle of democracy, the will of the people has been trumped by | :26:15. | :26:57. | |
the will of Brussels. The idea of a single currency was to promote | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
closer cooperation to the benefit of all. But there's a problem. From the | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
very beginning there were questions. Can you have monetary union without | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
having political union as well? Can you have a single currency and lots | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
of different economic policies? What Greece shows us is that you can't. | :27:17. | :27:24. | |
Earlier in this seaweed we met George Bertrand, former chief of | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
staff to one of the founding fathers of the EU. Like many true believers, | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
his solution to this economic conundrum is closer union. | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
Kretschmer early in this series. At the time it was discussed I was | :27:40. | :27:51. | |
very strongly... We had a meeting... He said, we have to have that in | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
common. We have common currency. We have the common economy policy. And | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
we don't have any political responsibility to evolve the policy, | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
to manage it and to control it. The single currency was supposed to | :28:10. | :28:23. | |
synchronise economies. But Europe's members aren't all dancing to the | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
same June. -- tune. This is Maastricht, the place where the euro | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
was born. It was once an innocuous provincial Dutch town. Until, that | :28:37. | :28:44. | |
is, they signed a treaty here. Note to the left, 360. The document so | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
divisive it spit parties and governments tottered. Maastricht has | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
come to embody Britain's fractious relationship with Europe. | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
Maastricht isn't universally synonymous with nightmare, with | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
strife. Elsewhere the significance of this city is it is the place | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
where a community became a union, wet European leaders took several | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
steps towards that dream of a federal Europe. | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
We go in search of the document, which is housed in a sort of modern | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
castle. Apparently surrounded by a moat. | :29:28. | :29:39. | |
Eric Lemmons is the curator, the man who guards the treaty. For | :29:40. | :29:47. | |
this is it. It's a copy, not the original. Maybe after the Rome | :29:48. | :29:55. | |
Treaty the most important treaty signed between the European | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
countries. We persuade them to open up the Cabinet. So we can leave | :30:01. | :30:07. | |
through the treaty for ourselves. This is the signatures page. We've | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
got Denmark... The first signature page. Portugal and the United | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
Kingdom. These famous British opt outs, that is the protocol. They are | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
all in here somewhere. How significant is this document? On a | :30:21. | :30:28. | |
macro this treaty? Very significant. The European Union was founded on | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
this treaty and because of the common European currency, which was | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
also established by this treaty. Yeah. | :30:36. | :30:47. | |
In Germany they have a single word that describes their post-war | :30:48. | :30:56. | |
resurrection. Come to the Porsche factory in Stuttgart and see for | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
yourself. But there's more to this economic miracle than efficiency | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
alone. Germany has also been the clear winner from the euro. The | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
crisis in the Eurozone in Greece and elsewhere has kept the euro week. | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
And that is good for Germany's export driven economy. Now, it may | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
seem a little unfair to take the slick production lines of the | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
Porsche factory as your comparison for the rest of European | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
manufacturing. But in fact this place is emblematic of Germany's | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
success. What monetary union has done is it has favoured German | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
exports, and that in turn has helped this country come out on top. The | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
workers at Porsche may celebrate their stable, well-paid jobs. But | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
they are also wary of Germany's growing economic dominance. Spain or | :31:48. | :31:58. | |
Portugal, no chance against a big industrial republic like Germany. | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
There is a realisation that German success depends on the survival of | :32:02. | :32:08. | |
the union. Yeah, why did Germany bailout Greece? It is because all | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
are connected somehow to each other. And if one goes then the whole | :32:15. | :32:23. | |
system is collapsing. Here is a confident country, and one that | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
mostly believes in the European project. They are frustrated with | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
those who just don't seem to get it. Now, hold on a minute. Whatever else | :32:32. | :33:09. | |
the Germans are good at, we are the ones that make the jokes. | :33:10. | :33:24. | |
When we meet, we have a little moment, are heart-to-heart from one | :33:25. | :33:32. | |
evening show to another. Who watches television in the morning? I have no | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
idea. People who need help. Many of his jokes seem to revolve around | :33:38. | :33:45. | |
sausage. But he uses wurst to make serious points, about Germany's | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
unease as its role as leader in the economic and migrant crises. In | :33:50. | :33:58. | |
Germany there is an expression to do with wurst, it means mingling along | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
and seeing what happens. Can we continue like that? Can we continue | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
to sausage our way through Europe? I invented a whole new expression. | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
Well, it worked for the last five or six years. Not so sure if it is | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
really the master plan for the next years. But one thing you can be | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
sure, there will never be at German government which will say, OK, now | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
we really take the lead. If you lead the way and the rest follows and it | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
doesn't work, they hate you for the rest of your life. Even we want to | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
be loved. That's the sad truth. Even the Germans want to be liked. It's | :34:37. | :34:44. | |
been more than 65 years since Europe set out upon a journey that has led | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
to today's complex union of 28 member states. But from the very | :34:49. | :34:57. | |
beginning the founding fathers identified one country as key to the | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
European project. We wanted to give Germany a path to recovery, | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
sovereignty, with us, not against us. Making sure that the German | :35:06. | :35:13. | |
recovery would not become a threat. But an asset. This is what happened. | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
It just happened that the most powerful country in Europe believes | :35:20. | :35:27. | |
in Europe, the European dream. And so we are back where we were at the | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
beginning of our series. In this German town overlooking the Rhine | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
into France. Whatever you think about the post-war European project, | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
its greatest achievement surely is this, that it does now seem | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
inconceivable for any member of the union to take up arms against | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
another. If the European dream is peace then the EU has succeeded. But | :35:51. | :35:58. | |
as Europe struggles to find common responses to the crises of the | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
21st-century, it's clear: the EU is today about more than peace. The | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
question is, how much more? That's the issue that now provides this | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
continent. When the very first mental health | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
champion for schools in England was appointed by the government | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
last summer, Natasha Devon's new role was announced | :36:24. | :36:25. | |
with great fanfare. The appointment was part of a wider | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
government initiative to improve children and young people's mental | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
health over the next five years - including the way services | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
work with schools. But then last week in a speech | :36:39. | :36:40. | |
to the Headmasters' and Headmistresses conference | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
Natasha Devon said this about testing of school | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
children in schools: At one end of the scale we've got | :36:47. | :36:48. | |
four-year-olds being tested. At the other end of | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
the scale we've got teenagers leaving school, | :36:54. | :36:55. | |
facing the prospect of leaving university with record | :36:56. | :37:01. | |
amounts of debt. Anxiety is the fastest-growing | :37:02. | :37:03. | |
illness in under 21s. She was told on Tuesday | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
by the Department for Education Good evening. What are your | :37:08. | :37:23. | |
substantive concerns about child mental health? My concern is that we | :37:24. | :37:31. | |
know that the person's socio- economic circumstances affect their | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
mental health. We know that looked after children, half of them will | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
leave care exhibiting symptoms of mental illness compared with one in | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
ten in the wider population. My concern is that the government is | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
giving with one hand, and taking away with another. I go into three | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
schools are weak, talk with about 500 teenagers, and they tell me that | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
things like exam stress or concerns about career prospects when they | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
leave school, are affecting them until health. Until we address those | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
root causes, we can have all the services in the world, but we will | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
not get to the root of the issue. When you made the speech to the | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
headteachers, did the government know what you were going to say, the | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
gist of it? No. Well, when I was first offered this role in August | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
last year I enquired as to whether there would be any payment for the | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
role, it is a very high profile role. I was told that no, they | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
couldn't even pay my expenses because it was very important that I | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
remained independent and objective. So I took them at their word and I | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
did remain independent and objective, and I wouldn't have taken | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
the role if that hadn't been on the table. We are now told that this new | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
mental health champion is going to be introduced which will render my | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
role obsolete, but that it will be role. There are two con versions you | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
can come to. Either I was lied to and they were trying to get the | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
benefit of my expertise without paying me, or this new mental health | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
champion will be paid effectively to toe the party line. So, you made the | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
speech, then you are told very quickly afterwards, your job is | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
obsolete, why do you think that happened? Is difficult. It's not | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
outside the rounds of possibility that what the Department for | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
Education are saying, that this was a task force recommendation that has | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
come to pass, and that it was outside of their control, it is not | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
outside the realms of possibility that it is true but it seems very | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
convenient. Let me just tell you, we have a response from the Department | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
Frederick and. "Natasha Has done a great job of helping us raise the | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
profile of children's mental health. Since that time the task force | :39:42. | :39:51. | |
report has been produced with recommendations. We have asked | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
Natasha to continue to work with us as we prepare to launch our activity | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
later this year". They have asked me to continue sitting on a steering | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
group very specifically looking at peer men touring, and that was a | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
project in place before I took the role in August. However they have | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
told me that I am no longer to make any statements publicly as mental | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
health champion. From that statement what I garner is they still want the | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
benefits of being associated with me but they just don't want me to say a | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
thing that might embarrass them. Let me be absolutely clear. One of my | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
instincts when this story broke was to hide under a table and wait for | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
it all to blow over. I've been in this role for nine months, I've been | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
going into schools and campaigning on mental health for nine years. | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
I'll be fine, I'll just carry on doing what I've always done. When I | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
first took the role I said to the department what I want to do is | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
bring the concerns of young people and the people who teach them to | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
government level. It is not me being silenced, it is young people and | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
teachers, and that's why I am here. Do you think that the government | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
doesn't take seriously enough the issues of mental health, young | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
people and children in schools? I think the government knows that | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
young people don't vote, or if they do they are very unlikely to vote | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
Tory, and they have historically ignored their needs and the price | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
that they've paid is that now we have seen a crisis in their mental | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
health. And in terms of moving forward, how confident are you that | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
enough will be done? I hope that the new mental health champion, which | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
will be across all departments, is able to be a positive force for | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
good. And I hope. There have been some good projects within the DFE | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
and I wish them all the very best of luck with them. But I remain | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
sceptical. Thank you for joining us. That's all we've done for. Remember | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
to tune in to the election results programme. I will be in Scotland | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
tomorrow to analyse all the results. Until then, good night. | :42:01. | :42:09. | |
Temperatures reached into the high teens, low 20s across many parts of | :42:10. | :42:19. | |
England and Wales today. Lots more warm sunshine to come. More cloud | :42:20. | :42:20. |