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Now on BBC News, it is time for Newsnight with Emily Maitlis.

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Tonight - after Isis, the NHS, and creative celebrities -

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now house prices become the latest weapon in the EU Referendum debate.

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There would be a hit to the value of people's homes of

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At the same time mortgages will get more expensive

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Have we hit the bottom, or is there more to come?

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We talk the politics of panic and preposterous claims.

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As French investigators question or staff at Charles de Gaulle Airport

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a major multinational search for the missing Egyptian air jet finds

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And as the police investigate 29 Tory

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Constituencies to look at claims of overspending, we ask what the

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Electors are getting increasingly concerned that we are moving back

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to the days of the rotten boroughs where a party can buy an election.

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And we hear from the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson, as he

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Any good politician knows that if you want Middle England to sit up

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and listen, sooner or later you have to start talking about house prices.

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So tonight, yes, even real estate has become fair

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game in the war of words that is the EU referendum debate.

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The Chancellor, George Osborne, has claimed that price

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of our home will be hit by at least 10% in what he calls the

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"profound economic shock" that would result from a vote to leave the EU.

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He revealed that the Treasury analysis being carried out on the

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short-term economic consequences concludes that by 2018, home owners

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Next week the Treasury will publish an announcement of what the

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immediate consequence will be. There will be a key to the value of

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peoples homes have at least 10% and up to 18%. At the same time

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mortgages will get more expensive and mortgage rates will go up. Some

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people will say that a price we are saying, I say we are stronger and

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better off inside the EU. Our political editor

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Nick Watt is here. What do you make

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of this intervention, Nick? Let's look at the small print and

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then the big print. The big print is that George Osborne

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wants us to think that if we left the European Union

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our home values would fall by 10%. Let's look at the small print, she

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did not say that proper developers could fall coming he said they would

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be hit because what those figures mean is that they would fall between

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0.6% and 0.8% because they are saying that the Office for

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Budget Responsibility says property What he's saying that they will

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fall off that percentage. So it is about not rising

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rather than falling. We also heard from the Leave side,

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Michael Gover making claims about the number of people who

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would enter the UK The idea of looking after a new

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group of patients equivalent of size to four the size of Birmingham is

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unsustainable. That would have huge consequences for the NHS. There

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would be a rise in accident and emergency attendances, up to six and

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13 million a year, an enormous additional demand on a system

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already under pressure. The small print, the Leave believe

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that this is one of their trump card -- cards because of the way that

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used in European expanded and they say that if four new

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Western and Balkan countries join the immigration from those countries

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by 2030 would be between 2.7 million and 5

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million. The first is that those five

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countries will all join in 2020. EU is very keen to get former

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Yugoslav republics in because it stabilises that former war zone,

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but not keen on getting tricky in. Assumption number two, you don't

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impose transitional controls, that is, limiting immigration to

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those countries the seven years. The UK did not do it in 2004

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although they did it in 2007. If you have transitional controls it

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goes down to 2.7. The third assumption, Turkey joining

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in 2020, which is highly unlikely. In France they would have to be

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a referendum for Turkey to join. Only one country is keen on Turkey

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joining and that is the UK, and now that the UK is having to consult

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voters they are becoming less keen. Sir John Mills is the chair

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of Labour Leave and is also a businessman and has

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chaired many housing committees. I'm going to start by looking

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at this idea that George Osborne raises, that a Brexit will massively

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affect the price of our homes. To be honest,

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of all the threats to the British economy Brexit is relatively small,

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if a threat at all, compared to what is happening in China and

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in Greece and potentially in Italy. Would you accept short-term that

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there could be profound economic shocks,

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which could hit the housing market? I am not sure that I buy the idea

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of a profound economic shock. I think life will go on much

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as it was before after Brexit. They will keep on creeping up, if

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anything, because of demand exceeding supply,

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but the chance of an enormous reduction but even if there was I

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am not so sure that this is such a bad thing anyway because prices are

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very high in the housing market. Let me ask you if honestly hand

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on heart you would tell apart some -- tear apart some of the wider

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claims on your side. We have heard Michael Gove

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suggesting that net immigration could swell to another five million

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if we stay, putting I do think it is likely that

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immigration will go up. A lower figure than

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the one they quote yet still a lot, if we have a living wage of ?5 an

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hour which is more than twice what So, as a Labour figure, would you

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say that price is too high, that ?9? No, there is a lot to be said

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for a living wage but it will also attract people in from the

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continent, particularly if there are very high

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levels of unemployment continuing. And he used this strong phrase,

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that it would put the NHS Sounds like it would spell the

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end of the NHS if we stayed in. There is a big problem

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because we don't spend nearly enough because of our rising population on

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new hospitals, schools and roads. That is why there is a bit

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of a crisis in all these areas. you would sit on a very different

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side to Michael Gove. Is your version of Out the same

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as his, would you want to be on You'd say that's the right way to

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go? I think there is something to be

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said for doing that because to control our borders we have to be

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outside the single market but it You don't have to be in

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the single market to sell to bed. He said

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we would be another Albania, does There's

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a new treaty coming with Canada. It did take a long time, but we're

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there and that seems a more I wonder if you feel happy, though,

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with the way that the Vote Leave You don't agree with that figure

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of 5 million new immigrants. You clearly don't agree that the NHS

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would collapse under this sort Is this helping your side to hear

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those sorts of claims I think there has been a

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fair bit of hyperbole on both sides You are much better off sticking to

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figures that people find credible and there is plenty of data

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around which is very important in this debate and I don't think you

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need to gild the lily to make the At the beginning of the week David

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Cameron was invoking Remain as a vote for ISIS. In between, actors

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popped up to reassure us that Britain would be more creative as

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part of the EU and Michael Gove suggested immigration could grow by

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another 5 million if we stayed in, as you have just been hearing. And

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the NHS would be under unsustainable pressure. Is anything sacred in this

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debate? Erie is the former adviser to Nick Clegg and a political

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columnist for the Daily Mail. Nice to see you. I wonder, Peter, if you

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look at the polls that seem now to put Remain with this ten point lead

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whether you think they have on the economic argument that was at the

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heart of all of this? I don't think so. I wouldn't say they have won it.

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I wouldn't be in favour of Leave if I thought the economic argued that

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was right. There are divisions. It hasn't been done very well and they

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need to sort themselves out in the three or five weeks that are left.

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So you think they can heal those divisions and how would they do

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that? I think the remain campaign has been very well run. There's been

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a consistent message. Whereas the Leave campaign, there are couple of

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lots... And the Labour lot. Yes. And they are saying different things.

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For me it is pretty obvious that we would flourish outside of the EU.

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When I introduced you I spoke about the weeks starting with this idea of

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ISIS, welcoming Brexit, and homeowners seeing prices tumble by

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80%. It is all rather apocalyptic on the remain macro side? By the

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ditties on both sides. -- Remain. On the one hand you have terrifying

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predictions about the NHS and people practically dying on the streets. On

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the other side with all practically be homeless, although it is the

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first thing I heard that might persuade me to vote Leave, that

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homes might become more affordable. At it goes on to say that mortgage

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rates will go up a master which is a recession as opposed to a cheaper

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housing market. I am still persuaded that we should vote In, but I am not

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looking to politicians to provide me with facts about the future. It is

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impossible to know. In the end is in the end is it is -- it is about an

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assessment of risk and possibility. Do you think we have run this the

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wrong way? We keep asking politicians what Out looks like.

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There are of course six different ways it could look like. You say

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from inside that you don't think politicians can provide those facts.

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So was there another way of tailoring this debate? Away from

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preposterous argument? Of course. There are quite good fact check

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outfits. But it doesn't stop people repeating the thing that they want

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to repeat. I think that curiously enough to Leave campaign have been

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more responsible. If you look at the inflammatory stuff from the Prime

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Minister, he invokes the caliphate of IS, I mean this is bullocks. He

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is invoking world war three. He is taking leave of his senses. When Mr

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Johnson, Boris Johnson, provides alerted observation... -- a good

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observation. The second Napoleon, there have been numerous attempts.

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But if you look at the response from Lord Heseltine or others, sensible

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remarks by Boris Johnson, they are fanatical. It goes back to a

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technique used... I did a pamphlet called Guilty Men about the campaign

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to keep us in the euro. Out there there are extremists, that was the

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line. Do you think that's true? Being In is quiet and nice? Is that

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how it has been played? I think what Peter is describing his politics.

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People do speak in exaggerated tones and they do make a case with these

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hyperbolic suggestions and implications about the future. It

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has always been thus. If you look at the referendum there were claims

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that babies would die if we voted for OV. Do you quietly by the

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north-east when you hear David Cameron saying that without the EU

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there would be war or ISIS want us to leave? Or do you say fair game?

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It is what you expect. They have to speak in simplistic terms because

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the amount of time people will spend thinking about this in the end is

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quite limited and they do look to politicians to do a lot of the

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macro... Most students cannot even name

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the date of the EU referendum, do you still think at the end

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of this that politicians are talking to themselves in a tiny

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circle or is it reaching out? This is an important debate,

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but I do repeat, the main case, particularly the Prime Minister,

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he's being reckless, making absurd statements, but I reckon the leave

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lot are being much more responsible. What you are trying to say

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in his studio, there is the awful lot on the one hand and awful

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on the other, but the BBC is part of the problem, you are playing

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it up. The Hitler story about Boris, which

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is a constructed story. What was the thing that you didn't

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like that I asked you about? What you are doing, creating

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a forced dichotomy between one lot of people telling lies and another

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a lot of people telling lies. The people telling the worst lies

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are David Cameron, George Osborne, Let's not pretend that you

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are impartial, by the way. You inflame the Hitler analogy

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and you turned that into a story. Would you

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like to have the last word? When people are biased like Peter

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and myself, we listen to politicians and we assume the people that we

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like our telling the truth and the people we don't like are not telling

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the truth, that is hard-wired into our brains

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and Peter has lost touch with that. To say that Isis are supporting the

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remain campaign, perfectly normal? There is a basic level of public

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debate which the remain side are At the risk of sounding biased,

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that is it. French aviation investigators are

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understood to have begun checking and questioning all ground staff

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at the Charles De Gaulle airport in Paris who had either

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a direct or an indirect link to The flight crashed

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into the Mediterranean just 20 minutes before it was due to land,

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killing all 66 on board. Investigators are pouring over the

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list of the plane's passengers and crew to look for a criminal record

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or ties to terror watch lists. So far, nothing has come to light

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that directly connects this Gabriel Gatehouse is in Paris

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and sent this report. More than 24 hours

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after it crashed, the first bits Investigators say they have

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recovered objects including luggage and human remains,

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belonging to passengers aboard EgyptAir flight 804, but they

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haven't yet found the crucial black box

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flight data recorders. The search and recovery operation

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which is led by Egypt is for the moment focused on a relatively small

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area, 40 miles in radius, just under But the longer the search goes on,

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the wider they need to look, as the current carries the bits of mangled

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wreckage in different directions. The Airbus A320 that disappeared

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yesterday had previously made an emergency landing, in 2013, while

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en route from Cairo to Istanbul. The pilot noticed one

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of the engines was overheating The problem was said

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to have been fixed. The Egyptian authorities have said

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they believe terrorism is the most likely cause

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although they have offered no Here in France, ministers have

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appealed for caution, saying they TRANSLATION: All hypotheses

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are being examined. There is no specific one being

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favoured because we have had no indication of the cause of the

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accident as yet, and we are still France has sent three

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investigators from its Air Accident But there is another investigation

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going on here at home. At Charles de Gaulle airport today,

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the usual security checks. This is already a country under

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a state of emergency. The investigation here is focusing

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on the question of whether anyone could have planted

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a bomb on board in Paris. A police source has told Newsnight

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that they are now pouring over hours The focus

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of the investigation is to try and trace the movement of everyone

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who had access to that plane. That means not just passengers

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and crew, but ground staff, as well, baggage handlers,

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technicians, catering staff. For what it's worth,

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the source added that they thought it was unlikely that

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a bomb could have been smuggled on board in Paris because of enhanced

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security measures already in place. European security officials have

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told the Associated Press news agency that they have checked

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the list of passengers and crew who boarded the flight in Paris and none

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was on any terror watch list. In Cairo, people gathered this

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afternoon to pray For now, we are still no closer

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to discovering why EgyptAir flight 804 dropped out of the sky in the

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early hours of yesterday morning. Police are investigating a number

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of Tory held constituencies over allegations they broke

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their local spending rules An investigation by Channel 4 News

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has questioned whether the Conservative party declared

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expenses centrally - instead of locally - which would have taken

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them over agreed spending limits. So what difference would it make

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if it were found to be illegal? In other words,

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is it beaurocratic nitpicking, In the 18th century, elections

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were filthy, corrupt affairs. This is the 1754 contest

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from the paintbrush of William Hogarth. There is bribing voters,

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mob violence and widespread fraud. Modern election rules were

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supposed to stop all this. Electors are getting increasingly

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concerned that we're moving back to the days of the rotten boroughs

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where a party can buy an election. I don't think as an election lawyer

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I could put my hand on my heart and say for the last 15-20 years

:21:45.:21:53.

we've had a copper-bottom guarantee that

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we've got free and fair elections I think we're losing

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that guarantee. OK, so I don't think they had battle

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buses in Hogarth's day. But Conservatives are accused

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of driving a coach, if not horses, The story was broken

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and developed in the past three To make sense of this story you have

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to realise there are two different The first is local,

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constituency spending limits. Here, roughly,

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a candidate can spend a maximum of It varies depending on the number

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of electors and the type of seats. However, there is also

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a national limit on what parties can Assuming they are contesting every

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seat in the election, which none of them do, they could spend

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a maximum of ?19.5 million in the 12 However, these are separate types

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of spending. One is local on local constituency

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campaigning, and the other is Local spending limits were never

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much of a problem because the parties had armies

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of volunteers to tramp But since 2005 half of Tory

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activists have left the party. The Tories were targeting 100

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key seats at the election. In many of those seats they did not

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have the party members on So what they decided to do was build

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up a big activist base of volunteers who were signed up

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through the party centrally and then to move them in buses to the area

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where they were needed most. At the last general election

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the Conservatives had five buses ferrying volunteers

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into target seats. Here is one arriving

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in the target seat of Thanet South. Then party chairman Grant Shapps was

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desperate to defeat Nigel Farage who Let's get out there

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and let's get campaigning. It is clear they have come to help

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the Conservative candidate You will be working with

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a good number of our locals. But unlike those locals,

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all the bussed in campaigners needed transport,

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feeding and a place to stay. In order to get people to turn out

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and campaign you have to make it If you give them food,

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say a free curry at the end of the day, and a beer, and encourage them

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to have a bit of fun together, you Channel 4 uncovered thousands

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of pounds worth of receipts on hotels and food for campaigners

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in target seats like Thanet South. None of which was recorded

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against local candidate spending. Gavin Miller QC is a specialist

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in election law and a former Labour What the law looks at is

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the end product of that work which has been done and then it looks back

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to see how you have funded it. So if the work that is being done

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by those campaigners is with the aim of promoting or procuring the

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particular election of a particular candidate in a constituency,

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the Labour candidate, the Liberal candidate, the Tory candidate,

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whoever it may be, if money is spent getting them there and locating them

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there to enable them to do that work, transport costs, subsistence,

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that is an election expense. We asked Craig McKinley,

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now Conservative MP for He referred us to the

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Conservative Party press office who If it is a mistake,

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it is because the rules are not being implicit enough

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about where the costing should go. And is it a mistake if it is that,

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unique to the Conservatives? What we are seeing,

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there is a conspiracy of silence in the other parties

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because they are all culpable. If there is a mistake being made,

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all the parties have made it and it does not seem fair that only

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Conservative MPs have been singled Labour also took activists to key

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seats using a bus they called The main difference with the

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Conservative operation seems to be that it was far smaller, and since

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Labour did not win many target seats, there are not many Labour MPs

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who are liable to legal challenge. I think since we introduced national

:26:30.:26:33.

spending limits it has given an excuse, a cover, to the national

:26:34.:26:36.

parties, where they have the money and can identify a particular

:26:37.:26:42.

constituency that is one of their marginals or one they want to win,

:26:43.:26:45.

where they need a little extra help, to spend money

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in that constituency and apportion Labour also declined our request

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for an interview and gave us The Lib Dems completely reject the

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idea that they bussed in activists. It is frustrating that

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the Conservatives are now trying to say that the leaders bus which each

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of the parties has and has always been deemed to be national expense,

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equates to the five battle buses that the Conservatives ran,

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crammed full of activists often because their own local activists

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were too old and not coming out. Bussed in to seat after seat

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after seat, week after week, during the campaign, where they were going

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in to canvas and deliver leaflets, do the things you would expect

:27:46.:27:48.

for a particular local candidate. Fiona Jones arrived at the criminal

:27:49.:27:50.

court to face a criminal charge... The penalties for misreporting

:27:51.:27:53.

your election spending are severe. In 1999 Labour MP Fiona Jones was

:27:54.:27:59.

convicted and immediately barred from public office, although the

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verdict was overturned on appeal. A dozen police forces are now

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investigating and Whatever happens next,

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it's a shame we don't have Hogarth That's all we have time

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for this evening. Before, we introduce you to No

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Such Thing as the News, a brand new series from the QI Elves with

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their own curious take on the week. Coming up next we have Artsnight

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which features the author We play you out tonight with

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Beach Boys legend Brian Wilson. I grabbed a couple

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of words with him before the first show of his Pet Sounds tour tonight

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at the London Palladium. # Round, round, get around,

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I get around... # Tell the teacher we're

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surfing # Wouldn't it be nice if we could

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wake up... I wanted to make

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an album that was just about as good as Rubber Soul, so we did it

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with my friend Tony Asher. We wrote God Only Knows and then

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we wrote the rest of the album. And Rubber Soul made such an impact

:29:20.:29:22.

on you, I wonder if you can take us When I heard it it was November

:29:23.:29:26.

1965. I was so blown away,

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it blew me away so much that I made What was the song,

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do you remember the song that you # I sat on the rug,

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drinking her wine And what was the sense at that

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moment, that you wanted to take away from it and create Pet Sounds, was

:29:46.:29:52.

there an emotion or a melody? A melody, a melody was

:29:53.:29:55.

the first thing I heard. After it was released,

:29:56.:29:59.

you heard from Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney said God Only Knows

:30:00.:30:03.

was the greatest song ever written. # God only knows what I'd be without

:30:04.:30:15.

# Though life would still go on, believe me

:30:16.:30:31.

# The world could show nothing to me

:30:32.:30:33.

# So what good would living do me?

:30:34.:30:37.

# God only knows what I'd be without you

:30:38.:30:45.

# God only knows what I'd do without you... #

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