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09/06/2016

Andy Burnham admits that Remain could lose the EU referendum, and the sister of the Eritrean man accused of people smuggling claims his innocence.


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Tonight exclusively on Newsnight a senior Labour figure

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tells us he fears Remain is going to lose the referendum.

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I think here we are, two weeks away from the very real

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prospect that Britain will vote for isolation.

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We report on serious concerns in Labour that the party's elite

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is failing to engage with the issues that matter to grass

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And I'll be talking to the Shadow Work

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She was very sweet, she was listing to me, but I don't think I was

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making any progress. -- listening. We've sent two campaigners

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for Vote Leave and Remain The sister of the Eritrean man

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extradited to face human trafficking charges after a major

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British security operation insists her brother is a victim

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of mistaken identity. He's not a human trafficker, I'm

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sure of that. He is my brother. A damning report on the UVF pub

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massacre in Loughinisland 22 years ago finds there was significant

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collusion between the killers We speak to the solicitor

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for the justice campaign. The official White House

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photographer who has been with the President every step

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of the way. I said to myself, if he ever became

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president, this is a picture you will never see again.

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Newsnight tonight reveals the deep anxieties of a senior Labour figure

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that the party is not getting the message out to labour

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voters to back Remain, and indeed that the message

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being sent down from the Labour elite is out of tune

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The former shadow home secretary Andy Burnham has told this programme

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that he has serious concerns that the country will vote to leave

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the EU, and that if that happened it could trigger a domino effect

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which could lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom.

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Here's our political editor Nick Watt.

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Blink and you probably missed it, the once mighty Labour machine has

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been somewhat underpowered during this historic moment in modern

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British politics. Nothing can go wrong. You would have to be on a

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very long holiday to a distant galaxy to Misty blue on blue

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shelling that is shaping perceptions of this referendum. -- to miss. Are

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we missing the rupture between red and red, the hidden story of this

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campaign which might do more to decide the result? The working man

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is not going to prosper when we come out, I don't think, because our

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largest market will turn our back. We seem to be a country that is open

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to anything, we have not got our own identity any more. Andy Burnham

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received a mixed reception from voters on the streets of Manchester,

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as once natural Labour supporters say they have abandoned the party in

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favour of Ukip and now is about getting out of the European Union.

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These encounters illustrated one of his main themes, there is a

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disconnect between the elite and grassroots voters. And that explains

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why this referendum is now so close. We've definitely been too much

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Hampstead and not enough Hull in recent times, and we need to change

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that. Are you concerned that the referendum could be slipping away?

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Yes. Here we are, two weeks away from the very real prospect that

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Britain will vote for isolation, it would be isolation. I think it would

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have a profound effect on our national life. The fragmentation

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that will come and the fear and division, those are the things that

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the terrorists could not great with our bombs, but we will have a

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situation where society becomes more divided. If this decision is taken,

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the dominoes will start to fall and it won't just be the EU that breaks

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up, it will be Britain, as well. The mismatch between Labour activists

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and wider supporters has been borne out by polls. One found 27% of

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Labour supporters want to leave the EU, and another found a just 10% of

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Labour members favour Brexit. Immigration is what they tend to

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break as one of the biggest problems, the voters, and that is

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where they are most at odds with the party they have traditionally voted

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for and on that issue that they hear the Leave campaign and the Brexit

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politicians really resonating with them. Andy Burnham is planning to

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relocate his political career entirely to the North West, as the

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new mayor of greater Manchester to repair relations with voters who

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should be Labour's natural supporters. He wants to avoid a

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repeat of the fate suffered by the party in Scotland after the

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independence referendum. There is a parallel between the Scottish

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referendum and what happens to Labour after it and the European

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referendum, there is, quite a clear parallel. Labour could be threatened

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afterwards. If we are perceived not to be listening to the concerns that

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people have expressed. Another challenge for Labour, divisions

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between former ministers such as Andy Burnham and their leader Jeremy

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Corbyn. His support for the EU is not exactly heartfelt. Ukip hopes to

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exploit these divisions as the party attempts to build on its recent

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modest success in the North West. You have a leader of the Labour

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Party who clearly is on the record as being anti-EU, and Jeremy Corbyn

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is now a hostage of the Parliamentary Labour Party. He

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stands there defending the right for us to be in the EU, and they will

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pay a price for that after the referendum. But there are some

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hopeful lines for Labour, Andy Burnham met if you can through

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spirits in Manchester bash hopeful signs. You are definitely in? Yes.

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I'm a small business, and you want to be international and trade with

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other countries. For the moment, Andy Burnham is focusing on winning

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back former members of the Labour tribe by spelling out the benefits

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of the EU, he hopes the experience of his father who benefited from EU

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free movement rules to find work in Germany after missing his job, we'll

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win over the sceptics. That is it is established in the national psyche,

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the Alfie design pattern generation, they left to find work elsewhere, at

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additional industry was being removed by Margaret Thatcher, and

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that is remembered well in the North West. -- as traditional industry. If

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it was good enough for us back then, why is it not good enough for others

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now? Brexit will limit the life chances of today's generation,

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because if times get tough again, they won't be able to find work

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elsewhere as easily as we did in the past. Reaching out to an iconic

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1980s television series shows the scale of Labour's challenging

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reconnecting with its former grassroots supporters. Calmer waters

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are likely to remain a long way off regardless of the referendum result.

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Well, joining me now is Owen Smith - the Shadow Work

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You heard what Andy Burnham had to say, a real prospect of isolation.

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Do you agree? It is balanced on a knife edge at it is possible it

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could go either way. It has clearly got more difficult for those of us

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who believe we should be remaining to make the case in recent weeks,

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and the Leave campaign have had the mental, but Andy said what we have

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got to emphasise -- have had the momentum. Working people need to

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stay because they will be worse off if we leave. He recognises there is

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a disconnect between the Labour elite at Westminster and what

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working-class Labour supporters are fearful. I'm not sure that is right.

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70% of Labour supporters, Labour voters, are in favour of staying in,

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so there is actually quite a clear correlation between our position of

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being in and what pollsters have been told, but on immigration and

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other things, there are clearly massive worries around the country.

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These worries people have come at you have not sufficiently reassured

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people about, that is quite clear. I do agree. You have not taken on

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immigration properly. Immigration is something people worry about, but we

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are hearing that people are worried about jobs and security and the

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nature of the work they have and wages, and immigration has become

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something which sits alongside all of those things, it is bound up with

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a sense of loss and decline, especially in working-class former

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industrial areas and we have got to be doing more to speak to those

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people because they are our people. John Mann, MP of yours, he has

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announced that he backs the Leave campaign, he says it is not

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representing working-class interests and he says people are terrified to

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talk about immigration, and he says there is a mismatch between the

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things that matter to you and the people in the North West. I come

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from Pontypridd and directly sent a South Wales working-class

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constituency and I know the people I represent -- and I represent. I

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think John Mann is completely wrong about this. For my people in my

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constituency, and people in Andy's constituency, they will be worse off

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if we leave the European Union, we will have less tax revenue and we

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will see a hard right wing Tory government led by nincompoops like

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Boris Johnson taking money away from my constituency. I would suggest to

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you, what John Mann says, what kind of country we want to live in in 20

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years' time, do we want an extra ten within people living here? He says

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these are the concerns of working class people and you are dismissive

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of these fears. I said I'm not dismissive of people regarding

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immigration and I'd do not think we have done enough to address that

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issue. -- I do not think. There is a genuine need for us to listen to

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what people are saying, they want us to do something about it, but we

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should not cut off our noses to spite our face. What is Jeremy

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Corbyn going to say about the referendum? He is going to say that

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we hear people's concerns about what immigration does in terms of

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depressing wages and causing problems in communities, but we have

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got to express the truth of the complexity, if we had not had

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immigration we would not have had any bounce back in our economy, and

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we would not have the NHS... Is that not patronising to your voters? The

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way in which they are being patronised is being sold a simple

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lie by the Brexit campaign, which is if you leave we will be better off

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and we will sort out immigration. You do not hold with Andy Burnham's

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view that the lesson in the Scottish referendum is one that you should

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take because you are very much in peril? Look at what happened to

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Labour after the election and the referendum. I do not think that an

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allergy is right, the fact is, all parties are split, the Tories are

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split on this -- I don't think that an allergy is right. We need to work

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to raid saying those voters after the election, but I go back to the

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central point, we have got to be clear, Labour collectively, a few

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people apart, are in favour of staying in because for those

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workers, even if they have concerns about immigration, they will be

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worse off, they and their families, if we leave. What happens when you

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have Labour voters who voted to leave, are they not your people? Of

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course they are. Whichever way people vote, in this election. We

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have got to represent all of these people, but we have also got to be

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leaders and our view as leaders of the Labour movement in this country,

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trade unions and people like me, people will be better off, ordinary

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working people will be better off if we stay in the EU and they will be

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financially disadvantaged, we will have another recession, a hard right

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wing Tory government making more cuts. They will scrap workers'

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rights and make cuts in our communities and we will lose out,

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not them. You have a different agenda but you on the same side as

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the Tories in this. Not half of them. What will you say to all the

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Labour supporters of yours in the North East, with Ukip around, what

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do you say to them about their views? We will say that we have

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heard loud and clear, whichever way the vote goes, that people have deep

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concerns about immigration and concerns about the fact that

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post-industrial bits of Britain, are not very well, we need an active

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government, and active strategy, putting jobs back into the divinity,

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and if Labour does not do that, no one is going to. -- into the

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community. Thanks for joining us. Business leaders have been

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in the forefront of the EU debate, on both sides of the divide,

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but now the universities, who've been drowned out,

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are upping the volume. The difference is they are all

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singing from the same hymn sheet, Chris Cook has had sight of a report

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they're publishing tomorrow. This is a report focusing on the

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contribution of the European Union's research budgets to UK universities.

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British universities do for nominally well, we get around one in

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?7 that the EU spends on research in the whole of the EU, and that

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supports 19,000 jobs, but to be clear, universities get a lot of

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money, not just on research, but from foreign students, EU students,

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and they do not want to leave, for mercenary reasons, you might think,

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but also for other reasons, they are very keen on international

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collaboration in research which they think is a key thing that the EU

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enables. Will we hear more from universities?

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We will not only hear more, we will see something we have not seen

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before, it is common universities to make pitches to the country and to

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Westminster, no university leaders are making a play to get their own

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staff and students to vote for Remain. Appealing to their captive

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photos. There are millions of students disproportionately young,

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well-educated, classic Remain quotas and the universities are desperate

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to mobilise them. The principal of Edinburgh has written to his

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students basically recommending a Remain vote. The Vice Chancellor of

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Exeter has done the same in weaker language. I know at least three

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other vice Chancellors working with their councils on how far it is

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appropriate for them to go but they are desperate and next week we will

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see more from the chancellors. Chris Cook, thank you very much.

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Now the art of persuasion is very important in a Referendum,

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so we have deployed a passionate advocate on each side of the debate,

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to take their message into if not quite into the enemy camp then

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to areas where the majority appears to be against them.

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Film-maker Warwick Harrington took Roland Rudd, from Business

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into Europe, to Wolverhampton, and the former spokeswoman

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for the UK Independence Party Suzanne Burns

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I think we are going to Hampstead because I'm throwing myself into

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Why do you think Hampstead is so Europhile?

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I don't know Hampstead terribly well but I

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am guessing there are people there who are quite wealthy, has prices

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The sort of people who probably have not felt

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the impact of mass uncontrolled immigration

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the kind of jobs where people's wages are being forced down.

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Wolverhampton is a great place to go to because it

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big majority for Out, there is real concern

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about immigration and perhaps not necessarily an

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understanding of just how important economically

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understanding of just how important economically it is for people in

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It's amazing being here because 30 years ago, I

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started as a journalist at the Express and Star and recently they

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had a very interesting poll saying that 80% favoured Brexit.

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This was one of the strongest entries in the world

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once, why can't we be like that again?

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I don't really like Nigel Farage but what he

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says makes sense, I watched last night and I watched David Cameron,

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Nigel Farage is passionate about this country.

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Lately I'm feeling what will happen to my

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She wants a bigger house, she can't get one.

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No disrespect to the families who are

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coming in from Europe, you're welcome but you have to step

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let them step back and look after the kids In this country first.

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One is, there have been a lot of jobs created recently and

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about nine out of ten of those jobs have been

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people living here, so

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It actually feels quite at home, my favourite French cafe chain

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there and a fabulous homeware store that I use there.

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I just think I want to be able to vote in to power my MPs to make

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the laws and if I don't like it I can vote

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them out but those commissioners, you can't get rid of them.

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Are you feeling you are not living in a

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I don't have a problem with immigration, I just

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It means that from 28 other countries...

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And if it was not for the fact that we have

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East European immigrants, pouring into this country, as you say, then

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the construction industry would collapse.

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About whether we should stay in or out.

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If we leave, we end up with a recession.

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That is what the governor of the Bank of England says.

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I'll give you a quick example, right?

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They are doing a big plant here - they are.

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And by the end of this year, there will be 1600

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jobs in Wolverhampton and 30,000 jobs in the whole of the West

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Never mind that, it's all about people who got no skills or

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I've got no skills, no qualifications, no nothing.

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If it was just about us, we would probably vote to stay, we're

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thinking of our kids, we are struggling to get the deposit for a

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house and we've got good jobs and I don't want that for my children. I

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don't want them to be, they've got good jobs but Bristol can't afford a

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house. Almost everyone we have spoken to who is that they will vote

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Out has mentioned house prices, has that surprised you? Per house prices

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hasn't surprised me, what surprises me is that there is a school of

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thought that somehow if house prices crash that could somehow be good

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news because their kids can get onto the housing ladder and they can sort

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out later. One of the main reasons I am voting

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to leave is because of the huge democratic deficit of the EU. It

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behaves like a dictatorship. Hi fine, but these are problems that we

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can talk about and resolve. There are plenty of flaws in the current

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UK democratic system. We can apply the same argumentation, then we've

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got to pack in our passports and it is the argument, making the argument

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flawed because we have a non-elected House of Lords.

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Argue for staying in all voting out? Out. Any reason why? Immigration.

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Refugees is different but you've got people coming to this country who

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are getting benefits and have never paid anything and they can't speak

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English... I agree but if you come here and you have to work for four

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years before you get any benefits, that's better. What have you learned

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today? That immigration is a major issue, the sense of unfairness is

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really worrying people. They probably will vote to stay in if it

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means that we can be economically better off but they want to see the

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benefits of the single market much more evenly distributed. What

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shocked me was the passion from one side and the other was quite rare to

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find. We managed to find you some people to talk to but the passion

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was rare. Do you think we live in a democracy? Yes. She was sweet and

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listened and was smiling but I don't think I was making any headway!

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Nothing more is going to happen. OK! LAUGHTER

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The Persuaders! Last night on Newsnight we revealed

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doubts that the Eritrean man extradited from Sudan to Italy

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to face human trafficking charges relating to thousands of migrants,

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and possible homicide charges, is actually Mered Medhane,

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the man the security A man with a similar name appears to

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have been arrested in this place. The sister of the man being held

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who lives in Norway has today insisted her brother is a victim

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of mistaken identity and that he just happens

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to have the same first name. Who really is this man? What we know

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is that he has been extradited from Sudan to Italy, authorities from

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their belief he is a people smuggling boss called Mered

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Medhanie, others say they've got the wrong man and they have actually

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picked up an innocent Eritrean refugee. Those making the case

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include the sister of the man arrested, who says that she

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recognises him as her brother whom she has been living with in

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Khartoum. You couldn't be mistaken, it is definitely your brother? Yeah,

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it's definitely my brother. I'm not mistaken because I have been looking

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for him for two weeks, yesterday, all of a sudden, he came on the

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Internet as a human trafficker. He is not human trafficker. I'm sure of

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them, it's my brother. When was the first moment you realised that he

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had been arrested? I saw it on Facebook. What was your reaction? I

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was going crazy, I'm worried sick. Because the photo I saw yesterday,

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it is disturbing, he looks awful! Her version of events does is

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incredible. She says that her brother was arrested in Khartoum on

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May 24, the same day that authorities say that they arrested a

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man they believe is the notorious people smuggler -- smuggler, bed and

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Madonna. She says she has not heard anything from her brothers on

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Saturday. I have been searching for him two weeks. They told me there is

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nobody of that name in prison. If they cautioned him he would say that

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my sister Could police have mistaken the

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refugee on the left on the right? We asked a world leading facial

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recognition expert to compare these images with those of the man

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arrested. In an ideal world it would have been nice to undertake a full

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friends and review, make a proper comparison. I have been able to make

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a preliminary review and look at these images in detail and I am of

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the view that the person we believe to be the smuggler is not the person

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we see in custody. Equally, the person we understand to be the

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innocent party in this is most likely to be the person who is in

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custody. The arrest was a joint operation between British, Italian

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and Sudanese authorities. The sister of the arrested man wants answers

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from the police. I want to say to the police

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in England that they They should be investigating,

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he's not a human trafficker, he's an innocent refugee

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who arrived last year in Sudan. He doesn't do anything

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about the smuggling or anything. The real smuggling kingpin is

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accused of trafficking thousands of migrants across the Mediterranean to

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Italy, hundreds are said to have died, this arrest was meant to be

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one of the first big blows to the network behind the flow of people.

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Authorities in Italy say they are now checking the identity of the man

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they have. In Britain and the National Crime Agency says it is

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still too early to comment on the claims but what was originally

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touted as a major success is now looking increasingly dubious.

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When two Ulster Volunteer Force gunmen burst into a packed bar

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in Loughinisland in County Down as customers watched the Republic

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of Ireland playing Italy in the World Cup in 1994,

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they sprayed bullets indiscriminately, killing six men

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Now 22 years later, after a long campaign for Justice

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a second Ombudsman's report has concluded that there was significant

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collusion by the security forces in the murders.

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Among Dr Michael Maguire's damning findings was the revelation

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that the murder squad that carried out the killings had been involved

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in a number of other murders but had avoided arrest because the RUC's

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Special Branch intelligence unit had withheld evidence from detectives

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I'm joined now by the solicitor for the families, Niall Murphy.

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What was the reaction of the families? We had a private briefing

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yesterday with. The Maguire -- with doctor Maguire, the reaction was

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that the families were euphoric, exoneration of a 22 year campaign, a

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campaign conducted with dignity and perseverance, but the euphoria that

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their suspicions had been confirmed by an official state, the office of

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the police ombudsman, but it turns to one of outrage, their campaign

:30:27.:30:31.

had been about truth recovery, but when they received the truth it was

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a very difficult truth and a series of facts which were difficult to

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come to terms with. Very damning finding regarding a number of

:30:41.:30:46.

different counts for the police, and also the fact that Loyalist

:30:47.:30:48.

paramilitaries were being employed as police informants. Who do you

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think is responsible for the miscarriage of justice? Ultimate

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responsibility must be in those in senior positions, this is the latest

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report which joins a library of equally condemning reports from

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Stevens, Savile, the silver and reports by the previous police

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ombudsman, but this cannot gather dust on the shelf and there must be

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accountability and that accountability must come from those

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in senior positions who inserted the policy which allowed the grotesque

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intelligence failings which manifested themselves in the

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conclusion that collusion was a feature this atrocity. Do you think

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the authorities know who committed these murders? I know for a fact

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they know who committed these murders, it is laid out in the

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report. The authorities knew who committed the murders within 24

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hours. Is there the possibility that the case could be reopened? There

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are difficulties and we would hope not to raise false hopes. A

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prosecution to the criminal standard must be built on evidence, but the

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problem is that far from securing and preserving evidence, the RUC

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destroyed evidence as they came across it, nine out of 16 suspects

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did not have their fingerprints, DNA horror to Mac -- DNA or hair samples

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taken. They have three a la lovers and three boiler suits and three

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sets of clubs and all the weapons used and the getaway car, the

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largest exhibit they could have, but they destroyed the car within ten

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months. The problem is the police failed to gather the evidence and

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when they did they destroyed it. I wonder when the common station was

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with the ombudsman, whether he had a view in this and whether anybody

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will ever be brought to justice? -- when the conversation. The ombudsman

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said this was an investigation characterised by indifference and

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incompetence and neglect. He stated that the approach to inform a

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handling was one of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, and

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this investigation did not have a chance because it did not want a

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chance. The people that committed this atrocity had killed before and

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they have the confidence that they were able to act with impunity to

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commit this atrocity. These are facts which are laid out very

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clearly, supported by original intelligence which has been viewed

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by police ombudsman investigators and has informed these very strong

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and robust conclusions which we see in the report. Thanks for joining

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us. Pete Souza is not a household name

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but you probably know his work. For the past eight years he's been

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the chief official White House photographer recording

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Barack Obama's presidency capturing not just

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the man but also history. From intimate family moments

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to drama in the situation room, and every single one of his images

:34:07.:34:08.

is archived forever. We spoke to Pete Souza as both men's

:34:09.:34:12.

tenure comes to an end. I started to photograph him in a way

:34:13.:34:42.

that, if he ever became president, the pictures I was taking early

:34:43.:34:48.

on would have some context. For instance, there's a picture

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I made of him, we went to Russia, and there is a picture of him

:34:57.:34:59.

when I was consciously He's walking around

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Red Square, on a sidewalk, I was trying to show

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that in the picture, that here is this US Senator walking

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through Red Square and no one is paying

:35:17.:35:19.

attention to him. I said to myself, if he ever became

:35:20.:35:23.

president, this is a picture You can imagine, what it would be

:35:24.:35:27.

like to have somebody pointing And certainly once

:35:28.:35:37.

he became president I think it took him several months

:35:38.:35:44.

to finally figure out that I was not going away,

:35:45.:35:54.

and that this was going to be part of his life, there was going to be

:35:55.:36:00.

this guy documenting his every move. The interesting thing about being

:36:01.:36:03.

a White House photographer, Meaning, whether it is a serious

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national security meeting, or a fun moment with a staff

:36:08.:36:23.

person's child coming So in that context I observe him

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in every aspect of his life When you add up his day,

:36:26.:36:37.

and all the things I photograph, Someone in my office who kind

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of monitors this said that I'd probably end up taking

:36:49.:36:58.

at the end of eight years The ones that are the hardest

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for me, I will say that when I'm photographing the president

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consoling families, Especially after the shootings

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where the emotions of I don't regret taking those

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photographs but they I'm sure that I probably had tears

:37:29.:37:34.

flowing down my cheek, just to think Time Magazine at the end

:37:35.:37:46.

of his first term asked me to choose ten pictures

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which represented my favourites that Because you need to show him

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in all aspects of his life. I mean, sure, there are pictures

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where he is interacting with little But I don't want people

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to think that's all he does. What about anguishing

:38:25.:38:35.

in the situation over Isis? So, for me, it is the body of work

:38:36.:38:37.

which is important, and not saying, "This picture is the iconic picture

:38:38.:38:49.

of the Obama administration". Tomorrow morning's front pages,

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three headlines. Nice football fan zones are like ten open Bataclans,

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that is a fear about terrorist attacks at Euro 2016. Finally, the

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Financial Times, Bernie Sanders is close to backing Hillary Clinton.

:39:22.:39:27.

Barack Obama went on television himself to endorse Hillary Clinton.

:39:28.:39:52.

And finally tonight, Ed Sheeran is preparing

:39:53.:39:54.

for a $20million legal action from two US songwriters.

:39:55.:39:58.

They claim Sheeran's multi-million pound track 'photograph' copied

:39:59.:40:00.

large sections of the song 'amazing' they wrote for X factor

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# We made these memories for ourselves

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# You came out of nowhere like lightening

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# It's kind of amazing how you found me

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It will be another marquee night, much cooler in the North East. Much

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more cloud around, it

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Kirsty Wark.

Andy Burnham admits that Remain could lose the EU referendum, the sister of the Eritrean man accused of people smuggling claims his innocence, and there is an exclusive interview with President Obama's official photographer.


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