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Tens of thousands of children have died horrific deaths
Can this desolate image of Omran Daqneesh, who miraculously
survived an air strike, help prevent further
I'll be asking our own Lyse Doucet, the International Rescue Committee,
and a war photographer in the Middle East.
Vote Labour to stay in the European Union and to have
The columnist, Rod Liddle, on why Labour holds no appeal
And who better to ask whether these have been a vintage
Oh, my God, we had the St John Ambulance
You might not know his name, but you will most likely know
what five-year-old Omran Daqneesh looks like - the traumatised,
bloodied and almost resigned looking little boy in the ambulance
after an air strike on a rebel-held neighbourhood
He stares at the camera as if to say - this is what is happening
to thousands of children because adults are making
The image has been viewed by millions,
but will it have any impact on the conflict in Syria?
Here's Secunder Kermani and his piece features
On average, one Syrian child has died every two hours for the past
five years. Most will never make the front pages of newspapers. But even
amongst the international weariness that is greeting the Syrian
conflict, these images from Aleppo still have the capacity to shock.
Five-year-old, Omran Daqneesh, is filmed by activists as he's rescued
from the rubble after an air strike on a rebel-held part of the city.
He is placed alone in the back of the ambulance. Despite the
devastation he's witnessed, he doesn't shout and scream, but
silently wipes his eyes. It's an awful image and it's gone around the
world, but it's far from unusual. Omran is very lucky because
the camera took the picture of him, but most of the kids
they were killed without any trace. They just pass away
and no-one knows them. Omran is very lucky because
the camera took the picture of him, Every day, when we go
to the locations, when we go to the bombing, most of the victims
are kids, are babies, The sign this boy is holding up
alongside a picture says, "save me" Activists have been trying to draw
the attention to the children's plight in Syria they have tried to
capitalise on the game pokeman Go. 400,000 people have been killed in
the conflict, it's believed. Some reports estimate that includes
20,000 children. The vast majority have been killed by the Assad
regime. Through its use of air strikes.
A meeting was cut short in frustration of the failure to allow
aid into the besieged areas. No humanitarian aid is reaching
anywhere in Syria. The Russians will allow a 4 #-hours truce next week.
Who would account against more terrible images appearing on you are
our scenes. The picture is being compared to the boy drowned in the
Mediterranean fleeing Syria. How much of a turning point in the
refugee crisis was that in the end? Here's one of the images being
shared online of the two of them together.
Omran Daqneesh is out of hospital now.
We're joined by Muhammed Muheisen, Associated Press Chief Photographer
for the Middle East and by Sanj Srikanthan,
the Director of Humanitarian Policy for the International Rescue
First, our chief international correspondent, Lyse Ducet.
This comes at a critical moment for Syria. What do you think? There is
only months left before Secretary of State John Kerry has to say - I did
my best, but I didn't succeed. He is giving it another push. It has been
months now that he has been talking, often alone, with Russia's Sergei
Lavrov to try to get some kind of a hes cessation of hostilties, a
truce, as they call it, to allow them to return to talks. The road to
any peace, if it's possible at all in Syria, goes through Moscow and
Washington. Will this image in its own way put pressure on Putin and
Obama? Everyone is mentioning it. John Kirby mentioned it at the state
department. Everyone is talking about it. What Syria needs now is
action. There is such a knot now, there is not a conflict in the world
now. He talk about it as being the worst conflict he has intervened in.
He intervened in a lot. You have Russia, the United States, you have
Iran all of the Gulf States. Kurds. The Syrians and the so-called
Islamic State and the groups linked to Al-Qaeda. If it's almost
intractable, Obama's got four months? John Kerry still says he
thinks there is a way out. He's known to be an optimist. The
Russians want to find a way out. To use the phrase - they don't want it
to become another Afghanistan. Aleppo is the prize in a very big
contest for a struggle for control in the Middle East. It's - for Syria
it's a devastating war, a proxy war, Caesarean war and a new cold war.
You have to stop all of them if you are going to stop it. Muhammed, as a
photographer, tell me what your reaction was to that image.
Presumably through your lens you see images like that practically every
day in Syria? It's a very sad. It's a haunting image. It's a single
image that tells the story of a five-year-old in a growing conflict.
That the power of photography or the power of this image. That this image
is trending right now. It's reaching the heart of the public and that's
the biggest recognition of a picture when it reaches the public and
people start to feel con nexted. If I'm a father and I have a child, I
would look at my child and say - I'm lucky we have a roof. As a
photographer, when you both see, when you take and see, as was in our
reporter's package there, images of many dead children in Syria, why is
this image of a survivor, in a way, been the one that has arrested
people's attention? This image shows a hopeless child, left alone in the
back of an ambulance in a way it tells - it talks about the whole
story. How the situation is hopeless. That the child was left
alone, waiting for help. It's a child. Children are the real victim
of this conflict. It's not just a picture, I think it's the whole
story by itself. I want to put that to you, first of all, now, Sanj
Srikanthan. Is the whole story because the children have no futures
if it's not resolved? That's right. They haven't had a future for five
years. They've lived through war. Over a million were born and have
liveded and only known conflict. So what was sad about that photo and
the video was that that child is beyond terror. He's in a place that
no child should be. He's been schooled in trying to avoid air
strikes and doing all those kind of things. We look at that image, we
wonder if it will make any difference. Do you think it will? We
know the image of the boy in the Mediterranean arrested the world's
attention. Only for a time. There is a window an opportunity to get a
ceasefire into places like Aleppo that haven't received aid since
early July. If that image can achieve that. That's not the
solution we are looking for, which is a permanent peace, it's
something. When we have... The fact is that little boy is sitting there.
We know people on both side of the divide are willing to put children
on the front-line anyway there is a cynicism, isn't there? Aid workers
are the most cynical of trying to do their best in these times, is that
both sides are more interested in winning the conflict than saving
children's lives. That's the sad true. Muhammed, are you very.
Aware when you're taking a photograph of the photograph that
might be counter into youively that might make a difference It depends.
What I believe... The importance of photography, the importance of being
there, that sometimes there are many events happen that wasn't captured
or documented, so it feels like it never happened. Luckily, this
picture was captured and went out there. This is also the importance
of journalism, photojournalism. If we have access to document things we
will see a lot of that. I believe there are dozens of images
happening, and no-one captured it. So it never made it out there. Do
you believe your work can make a difference Of course. Of course. I
think, simply, when the pictures start... Goes out there, people
start talking about it. It already created a change. It reached
people's hearts and minds. Changed people's way of looking and thinking
of things. Instead of thinking of Syria, now there is a name, there is
a killed call Omran. It makes people think. Instead of not what is
happening in Syria because it doesn't involve them right now.
People are aware there is a conflict going on. It's a reminder. It's a
reminder. Thank you very much. There will be a temptation, wouldn't
there, for aid agencies and so forth and different rescue missions to use
an image like this? I don't think we use the image, it's happening every
day. In fact, the photographer who took it said - I was surprised
because I take photos like this every day. It's the reality. I think
if people who watch the image and see the story behind it realise the
sacrifices, not just families are making, but the 35 remaining doctors
in Aleppo are making I think that's something worthy. We forget the
doctors are few and far between now. We should say that five children did
die today. Perhaps we shoulded have their image up as well? Images like
this they strike a chord with the public. It gives ammunition to the
would be peacemakers. Whether it's enough for the real ammunition on
the ground which grows more violent by the day is the question now.
Thank you all very. Indeed.
On Newsnight last night, we revealed that the gap in funding
for the Garden Bridge was far bigger than the Trust had previously
admitted - some ?56 million, rather than ?32 million.
The Chairman of the Trustees, Lord Mervyn Davies, told Evan
that the project had become more expensive and also that the bridge
would not be open in 2018, but rather 2019.
But straight away this morning, the Trust issued a statement
The statement was one thing, straight after the programme, the
second was the language of the statement? Absolutely. It used
phrases like, "this is a crucial time" it was pleading with the
Government not to withdraw its support - It "would be a tragedy"?
Exactly. A tragedy perhaps for the taxpayer who has already spent ?36
million, that is never coming back. Infect, what the Trust was saying
was that, if the Government doesn't agree to extend an existing
arrangement where it's underwriting the project, then it's doomed. There
was a real sense of worry, of nervousness. On the part of the
Trust. Hands up the back? There is a lot of money to raise there. Are
other existing hurdles. Also, viewers might remember that last
months Newsnight explained that the mood in Government towards this
project is cooler than it has been. The London Mayor has voiced
concerns? The London Mayor and George Osborne, one of its greatest
fans have gone. Whitehall sources told us today that they reject the
idea that the fate of the bridge is in their hands. They say that's not
fair. In fact, it's the Trust who have to get a hold of this project.
It's for them to say if they can make it work and for them to
ultimately pull the plug if they can't. It's seems an unhappy
partnership at the moment. Are the Trust looking for more money from
the Government? That's an interesting question. We we don't
quite know. One of the things about this project is, it's so secretive,
maybe too strong a word. There is so little information out there.
Opaque? Opaque. Little information in the public domain. The Trust have
been quite clear about what they're asking. This is how they described
the current situation: But our understanding is that the
government is less clear about that. They are concerned that if they
agreed to extend the underwriting for another year, they could be
liable for more money. We are told categorically there is no more. They
have pledged ?30 million and that is it. They said they are not in the
business of backing white elephants. The future of the bridge is still
uncertain. Thank you for joining us. When the Labour Party meets
for its annual conference in Liverpool next month,
there will be a "me and my political shadow" moment -
well, the whole four days actually. Momentum will be in town and both
Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell will be preparing two speeches each
- one for the Labour conference delegates,
the other for Momentum's membership. For the writer and sometimes
splenetic columnist, Rod Liddle, this might be the moment that
sends him over the edge, as he ponders on why Labour's
lost its way and its working-class He begins his report
for Newsnight in Middlesborough, This is Teesside,
about as resolutely, uncompromisingly Labour
as anywhere in the country. And yet like almost all
working-class areas beyond London, Teesside is rapidly
becoming disenchanted with the party Brexit was a real
glorious revolution, a sort of cri de coeur
on the part of people who felt
marginalised, unlistened to and increasingly averse from the liberal
politics of both the Establishment, and crucially, for this
issue, the Labour Party. Because while this
is Brexit heartland -
70% voted to Leave in Hartlepool over the water,
66% back there in Middlesbrough -
it is not just about that. It's also about having
respect for the family, for the country, a sense of
patriotism and belief in Britain. It's about doing a fair day's work
for a fair day's pay and also not being paid welfare -
if you don't give, you don't get. The current Labour Party is largely
immune to the aspirations of ordinary
working-class voters, when it is not I thought I'd present
a cheerful parody of Labour's current mindset
to the people of my hometown. In exactly the spot,
as it happens, where I once sold The Socialist Worker
as an imbecilic youth. Vote Labour to stay
in the European Union and to Bring the experience
of Islington to Middlesbrough. Vote Labour for Fairtrade coffee,
muesli, solidarity with Cuba, peace, love,
happiness everywhere Are you a Labour voter?
No. Have you always voted Labour?
Always. And do you like Labour now
under Jeremy Corbyn? To tell you the truth,
I don't like any of them. Do you think they are out of touch
with the Do you think we need more
immigration in this country? You're having a laugh, aren't you?
More? Sir, what we want in this country
is more immigration, correct? The power in the Labour
Party has not resided These days, it lives
somewhere else entirely. This is Islington, of course,
and this is my granola, pistachio and blueberry
porridge with Greek yoghurt. This is Jeremy Corbyn's neck
of the woods, of course. At one point under Jeremy,
there were three members of his Shadow Cabinet from Islington
itself, more than in the entire I don't know if that
is still true today because I don't know who's
in the Shadow Cabinet. One minute they're there,
the next minute they're sobbing their hearts out
on The World At One. The place has become a sort
of byword, a cliche, which somehow represents
the distance between Labour I'm here to meet someone who might
offer the party a little hope. Lord Glassman, architect
of New Labour, and adviser Why is Labour in the trouble
it's in, do you think? Well, it's just lost its
relationship with the working class, and with working-class leadership,
with working-class values and And that's what we are seeing
is supposed to be Labour. How it happened has been
a long time coming. It was always a coalition
between the progressive middle-class, reforming,
Fabian and more conservative socially and more economically
radical working-class. But over the years,
the sort of university Social democrats across Europe
are facing a really difficult strategic dilemma because on the one
hand, they have half of their electorate or so that is comprised
of traditional, blue-collar workers. On the other hand, they've got
urban, middle-class, cosmopolitan, And those two groups think
fundamentally differently about the key issues of the day,
in particular immigration It's sort of Labour's
Clause Four for today. The activists and many of the MPs
won't go near it because of course, that massed ovine middle-class bleat
of "racist" as soon as you raise the issue of immigration will be
forthcoming from them. And yet, there's no antipathy
in these places in the north The antipathy is towards the people
who allowed uncontrolled immigration to change the culture of their towns
and also to undercut their wages. And yet, the problems
in the party seem intractable. A leader without the
support of his MPs. MPs without the support
of the activists. And the activists miles out
of step with the voters. He was a Labour Party member until
he was suspended earlier this year pending investigation. Barbara Ntumy
from Momentum joined us as well. What do you make of Rod Liddle's
analysis? I think it is stuck in a narrative that he's trying to
create. I grew up in Barnsley, a working-class town and in the same
way as you have Islington, which is consistently rated one of the
poorest and most deprived areas in the country, in Barnsley, you have a
place where more affluent and well off the bowling as opposed to the
General working-class. The idea that just because people live in North
London and in Jeremy's constituency, they don't understand what ordinary
working class people go through is just nonsense. But Owen Jones, a
supporter of Jeremy Corbyn said what he said was the party has got to
deal with anxieties over immigration. Do you accept there are
anxieties? Since 1940, every party in this country has sought to
restrict immigration at the expense of immigrants. Immigrants you don't
make laws on and enforce them cannot be blamed for low wages. The
government has to enforce the wage and the law. I don't understand
where this narrative... Actually, I do understand where this narrative
comes from, with constructed narrative and found someone else to
blame for the back employers are not willing to pay what wages are. But
you accept that what we might call some traditional Labour supporters
have anxieties over immigration? Their communities are being
irrevocably changed. When we say traditional Labour voters, black
people who have come from this country since the 1940s have been
traditional Labour voters. Do their concerns when it comes to inequality
and being able to access jobs not matter? Rod Liddle, the fact is
whatever Brexit does, it doesn't... No one is going to be repatriated so
in effect, that is not the issue. The issue is going to be jobs and
wages. That is what Labour supporters are about. Lets put to
rest the idea that this is a key of some kind because between 7019 80%
of people in the country what immigration restricted, every
opinion poll going back over the last ten years shows that.
Increasingly, a greater proportion of black and ethnic minority
immigrants want immigration restrained, more than 50%. The idea
that this is just some old-fashioned, old hack, harking
back to the old days is absurd. It is an absurdity. I find it slightly
hilarious that someone who is a radical, a Labour Party radical, on
the left wing of the party, should be so fervently in favour of the
free movement of labour and capital. If you knew your marks, you would
not be in favour of that. It is the thing which depreciates the wages of
the lowest paid and it is also obviously the being who -- to the
grotesque exploitation of the immigrant labour force which we see
everyday in the newspapers. Rod Liddle is right, it has affected low
skilled workers? That has always existed. This is not new. What we
should be doing it again, in the way the European Union provides, legal
routes for people to come to do low skilled wages but actually, the
issue is, when you have a town like my Barnsley which gets barely any
investment and creates jobs, the opportunities for people are to in
the bread factory, the fashion factory or the check in factory.
Those are the options. College funding has been consistently
slashed. What other opportunities are there for people? You don't
blame someone who's left everything in Europe to come and work in a low
skilled cleaning job in a hospital. Are you saying that Labour
supporters who do think immigration is an issue need to be re-educated?
I'm not saying we need to be re-educated. People react to their
realities but actually come immigrants aren't the problem. The
fact we're not creating more opportunities for people to progress
and get access to education and better is the problem. The
government needs to do that. Where I think Barbara is absolutely right is
about the levels of investment which this government has put into places
like Barnsley and a lot of the North of England. It has been lamentable.
Something needs to be done. A new Labour programme would devolve more
power to the region and put far more investment into them. But I think it
is cloud cuckoo land to believe that... To try to say that
immigration hasn't cause these problems. I didn't say that
immigration hasn't caused these problems. I said it is not the sole
purpose of the narrative that you like to say that it is. What is the
problem with demonising groups of people? That is what it is because
when you get on TV and you say people are coming here to work three
or four jobs in order to provide and their families... You misunderstand.
You misunderstand and that is the problem. I can't speak and this is
pointless. The point is that people should have opportunities which this
government has failed to do. That is painted nonsense. I'm not demonising
immigrants whatsoever and I wouldn't. I think the immigrants who
come here worked very hard and I'm deeply opposed to David Cameron's
plans to withdraw benefits from them, for example, like Polish
immigrants, I think it's disgusting. People should be treated equally by
the fact is, successive reports have shown that large-scale immigration
and the larger scale, the worse it is, depresses the wages of the
poorest people. People who have fought for years to have a decent
stab dog living. Per the closing minutes, you characterise Momentum
as being a party of the middle-class kind of liberals, the Islington set.
Actually, Momentum, you have to say, is a broad swathe of support in all
areas of England. Well, it's certainly got a broad suite of... It
controls the Labour Party. There is no question about it, it controls
the Labour Party. I would probably agree with Barbara that I don't
think Jeremy Corbyn should have been challenged in the leadership
election. He was democratically elected, for whatever fatuous
reason, the party was opened up to hundreds of thousands... The reason
why Jeremy was elected was because he does speak to those working class
people in Middlesbrough because he's talking about investment. He really
doesn't. There is no appetite whatsoever for Jeremy Corbyn. He
talks about cradle to the grave education that people are not able
to have now. Does he continually talk over other people as well?
Labour is gaining more working-class voters under him. 28% in the polls.
One accusation I want to put, is Rod Liddle said, Momentum controls the
Labour Party. It does. Labour Party members control the Labour Party.
They are the people who are active and involved. I'm a member of the
Labour Party. I don't disagree, I think that is fair, I think I be mad
Labour has been taken over largely by Momentum and people who support
Jeremy Corbyn -- Jeremy Corbyn. I don't have an argument about that
but the fact he's deeply unattractive to any bird in the
north of the country... But we are allowed to organise. We are going to
leave it there. Of course you are. Thank you for joining us.
True story - our special Olympics feature, Throne of Games,
was only meant to be a test broadcast, to put the new
BBC transmitter at Theydon Bois through its paces.
But then it snowballed into a phenomenon, with one leading
critic describing it as "must-flee television."
Tonight our man, Stephen Smith, is joined by wine queen,
as he soaks up more Brazilian culture from
Stephen Smith, a smudge of chalk on the leotard
I've got the noted wine expert Jilly Goolden
coming here in a minute and no hospitality budget.
Still, although I'm not officially qualified
as a sommelier, how hard can it be?
I've got something for you here, Jilly.
Here we are, Jilly, here's some wine I made...
I'm getting base notes of licorice, jasmine
My God, we had the St John's ambulance here for Angela Rippon,
Brazil's got a big handicap when it comes to making wine in that most
That looks like the wrap party for Food and Drink.
Well, if you've got it, flaunt it, I suppose.
Is it true that you were the first person to bring
I decided to describe it in terms of everyday sense and flavours.
So my best one was the gamay grape which makes Beaujolais,
and that smells just like trainers running on hot tarmac.
This is a bit more like the inside of the trainers,
Trainers! Very Olympic.
I'm not sure we know how to respond to this as a nation.
We are used to being slightly rubbish and plucky losers.
I hope we don't get too pumped up, actually.
I quite like the sort of modest Brits.
Fifth in the World Championship final this year.
A consistent performer, reached the semifinals
They must do lots of practising for falling off.
Of all sports, which would you like to be the top athlete in?
I can see myself in the dressage with all the gear.
We'd be in it together because that would be mine.
They'd have to give us some credit for that,
Percent of the inside of trainers X Mac that's all we have time for
tonight. Good night. -- the scent of the inside of trainers!
After a wet start to the day in Northern Ireland, improving into the
Could one iconic image of an injured Syrian boy help prevent further needless deaths? Plus the Garden Bridge row, Rod Liddle on Labour and Steve Smith's Olympics.