22/08/2016 Newsnight


Is the media biased against Jeremy Corbyn? Will trainee teachers no longer need a degree? Lessons from Rio 2016. Quincy Jones is interviewed. Eska sings.

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The voting has begun in the Labour leadership election.


So how does the mainstream media deal with Jeremy Corbyn?


That's not about the mainstream media taking against Corbyn


as the Momentumistas would have you think.


That's about Jeremy Corbyn not being up to the job.


Does he get a fair crack of the whip or a bit of a whipping?


Britain is on a sporting high after Rio but are some of the claims


about the transformative power of our medals haul just fanciful?


The man who produced this, Quincy Jones, speaks to us


before his Proms performance, about, amongst other things,


Yeah, back then, but he wasn't like that, man, at all.


He used to fly with his helicopter with his name on the bottom of it.


And that's not the only musical delight.


We have our own live performance from Zimbabwean jazz singer Eska


The ballot papers have been sent out to Labour members and supporters


all 640,000 or so of them, who have until September 21st


to make up their minds who will be the next Labour leader.


The bookies are backing Jeremy Corbyn.


But over the weekend two big hitters, Labour's Scottish leader,


Kezia Dugdale, and the London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, made it clear


they are not on the basis that he wouldn't win over a majority


What I have written, and just spoken is factually


accurate, but Corbynites claim that the mainstream media's attitude


The headlines haven't been kind to Jeremy Corbyn.


From the moment he won Labour's leadership contest, some foresaw his


destruction of the country, made highly-personal assaults


on his character, and condemned him as a terrorist sympathiser.


More recently, as that leadership is threatened, the papers have


There is nothing new about attacks on politicians.


Jeremy Corbyn's predecessor, Ed Miliband, was frequently


in the firing line, as was Labour's candidate


But fans of the Labour leader argue that their voices are being silenced


and that the criticism their man faces is of an entirely different


Doctor Justin Schlosberg, a Jeremy Corbyn supporter and member


of the Momentum campaign group, has studied the media's


The coverage of Jeremy Corbyn has been deeply unfair right back


to when he was first elected, but particularly in the most recent


And the problem, you know, is not just that the press has


taken an editorial view, which you would expect them to do


in cases like this, but that those narratives have really seeped


into and disproportionately influenced the coverage


And television and online are supposed to be


the counterweights to the dominant voices of national newspapers.


The Media Reform Coalition analysed 465 articles and 40 prime-time news


bulletins on the BBC and ITV in a crucial ten-day period in June.


The team found that twice as much time was given to Corbyn critics


than supporters, journalists used pejorative language


to describe the Labour leader, and that the alleged bias


in the coverage was neither inevitable nor unavoidable.


Jeremy Corbyn's team have purposefully chosen a different


campaigning strategy, speaking to supporters


through social media rather than the more-traditional


That's not an excuse for an absence of supportive


voices in mainstream media coverage, say some.


The responsibility is on the media, the responsibility is


on journalists, trained, professional journalists,


to recognise what is going on here, to recognise the kind of agenda


building that is going on behind the scenes,


and to do their best to actually create a more balanced picture.


But rather than rely on journalists, would a different approach


towards the press be far more effective?


They've gone after Jeremy Corbyn in a very, very negative


That's what you expect from the press.


You can't stick your fingers in your ears, you've got to,


as best you can, engage with the press, because people,


they don't talk about politics on social media, they watch a bit


of TV, listen to Radio 2, if you're not there and you've just


retreated to a social-media bubble, which very few people use,


then your message won't get across and you'll be defined


Privately, many in the mainstream media completely reject the idea


that there is some kind of co-ordinated attack


against Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters, like those


Some journalists point out that, whichever way you try to spin it,


the bulk of your front bench resigning and the vast majority


of MPs saying they've got no faith in your leadership,


well, that's just a bad-news day in anyone's book.


Others say there is a simpler explanation for some of the bad


It really tells you something, doesn't it, when the Guardian


and the Mirror and Channel 4, who you would have thought would be


totally on that kind of left-wing agenda,


also think that he has been a really, really terrible leader


That's not about the mainstream media taking against Jeremy Corbyn,


as the Momentumistas would have you think,


that's about Jeremy Corbyn not being up to the job.


The fact that Sadiq Khan and those kind of people are now coming out


against him and saying they want a different leader is also part


Jeremy Corbyn is not up to it, therefore he gets bad press.


Jeremy Corbyn's backers can take heart from one thing.


Despite nearly a year of media criticism, there appears to be


little if any dent to his popularity among Labour supporters,


and, as the party's members cast their ballots over the coming


weeks, his team will hope that trend continues.


Joining me now, Stephen Bush, special correspondent


Editor of the left-wing news website, The Canary,


Strategic advisor to the Jeremy for Labour campaign Jeremy Gilbert.


And former editor of The Sun David Yelland.


Good evening to all of you. What is Jeremy Corbyn's strategy with the


media? His strategy is partly what you would expect any politician's


strategy to be, to engage with it productively but he also has a


different and new agenda which is to reach out directly as far as


possible to the border constituency across the country come to


supporters through social media and independent media and I think this


is quite challenging to established mainstream media, they find it


difficult to understand and quite frightening. But I think it is a


strategy appropriate to the 21st-century. So how does the engage


with mainstream media? In the same way anybody does, when he gets the


chance to do so. He does interviews, issued statements, answers


questions, campaigns. Does he need the mainstream media? We all need it


to some extent, it is willing to do its job. We all needed to the extent


that they are willing to represent a broad swathe of opinion across the


country and population. Is the mainstream media doing its job is


far Jeremy is concerned? I think it is. The first thing to say is that


no Labour leader post war has had the support of more than 20, 20 5%


of the press apart from perhaps Tony Blair. Any Labour leader starts off


on a very sticky wicket. But Jeremy Corbyn is on an even stickier wicket


because of the news, because a good chunk of the Shadow Cabinet don't


support him. Sadiq Khan does not support him, the leader in Scotland


does not support him. The media is reporting the news and the biggest


risk for Jeremy Corbyn is that he disappears from the news agenda


which is what had begun tapping until today when the voting has


started. -- begun to happen. Not just Tory press but he been nowhere


near the front page for a long time. I had basically written him off.


Therefore what do you think the Canary does as an online forum and


paper that mainstream media does not? What we're trying to do and


becoming increasingly successful in doing is challenging some of the


dominant narratives. We have a situation here where 81% of the


mainstream media is owned by six corporations and most of the


journalists went to a handful of universities and graduated about


Digg images to the left or right to veto the politically so that if


little gap between them and it becomes a minuscule arena for


political debate -- about six inches to the left or right. People outside


of that are mocked or ridiculed or derided as mad and dangerous. And


that is a crisis. And you are backing Jeremy Corbyn to the hilt?


We are doing something slightly different, ourselves, incredible


blogs, we are saying, hang on, there is a vast spectrum of ideas, of


great ideas outside that arena. There is a vast spectrum, and would


you be as happy to report on that vast spectrum, right-wing ideas as


well as left wing? I think there is more than enough space occupied


currently reporting white ring ideas. So you are cheerleaders for


Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely not, and saying there is a vast spectrum of


ideas and they are sadly underrepresented in the mainstream


media. What you have it essential parallel revolution is happening in


politics and in the media. In politics you have the courageous and


capable politicians of the SNP in Scotland, Plaid Cymru in Wales,


Corbyn's labour and in the media you have the likes of the canary which


did not exist a year ago, and in July with the top read new site in


the UK, taking over the New Statesman and the Economist and the


Spectator. So you feel under threat from them? I would not say it is a


website I worry about, they are doing something very different to


what we're doing. I don't want to litigate other people... But I kind


of take the view that in some ways, the mainstream media, if it fails to


represent enough people, it dies. Ultimately your readership is the


only currency that matters. When you are reporting on Jeremy Corbyn, do


you think the new statement is biased against him? No, I think we


contain, our aim is to contain the whole of the left so we have


everything from James Schneider, Michael Jefferys, who is only the


most engaging writer come all the way to people like John McDermott


who would quite like to take an ice pick to Jeremy Corbyn! We try to see


ourselves as the honest broker. And you would see the new statement at


the honest broker? I wouldn't go that far. I respect the fact they


make the effort to do what Stephen has said -- the New Statesman. I


think the range of voices is skewed, not towards the far end but to the


soft left from our point of convergence between the soft left


and the old Labour right which is essentially committed to the idea


that there is one way to do politics. That is by having a nice,


popular, marketable leader who is a big social democratic, a bit


respectable... And a bit popular in the country? I dearly but


historically it is a model of politics that has failed multiple


times. It failed for new clinic twice, for Ed Miliband and for


Gordon Brown. The question we have to ask is white so many people in


the Parliamentary Labour Party and indeed in the left liberal press


like the guardsmen -- Guardian and the new statement are so committed


to a strategy that has failed so many times. The success rate for


Corbyn isn't so far is 1983 which did not go that well, when the 16th


same trajectory, not better or worse than Ed Miliband and we know what


happened at the end of that story -- 2016, the same trajectory. The idea


that you can talk about 1983 at Corbynista is ridiculous, this is 35


years later. He got into politics as Tony Benn's closes... They leader


from that group... What bit about is quite different. Staked a particular


issue. This is almost like viewers and listeners start here. What is


the position over Trident? The Labour Party's position is one


thing, it is multilateralism, Jeremy Corbyn's is quite different.


Presumably you would say that the media should report on both


positions and have critical analysis between the two.


That is one of the issues where there has not been balance. Voices


who are critical of and hostile to Jeremy's decision have appeared


multiple times with no... Let's take that issue. The Labour Party if the


party of opposition, it has a position, Jeremy Corbyn is a


different position. We have gone through the referendum, the country


out there is a very different place from the discussion happening here,


radically different. It is not looking at the detail, and


shouldn't. People have lives. The reality is, the reason that the


Prescott aggressive with Neil Kinnock when he nearly was elected


was on his defence policy. There were people... Quite right as well,


I don't think he should have been elected, he would have been


dangerous for the West and Britain. A lot of serious people in the


country, not some sort of Rupert or anybody like that, but voters, said,


we cannot let this man, and it is the same with Jeremy Corbyn,


although there are other issues. The reason that the press have started


to ignore him, he is never going to be elected. That is interesting.


There is not a chance. Should the press make that decision? No, but


they do, they have for several elections. This is the problem with


the mentality of the coup. They are trying to fight the 2005 election


again, and the elections of the past decade or so, where you have


middling Glen deciding, because you have 40% of people who are not


bothering to vote. The last election, 76% of people did not vote


Labour, and what Jeremy Corbyn and the Green Party and the SNP are


doing is, can we please stop fighting over this 24% and go for


the 76% over Fiona? They are craving a new kind of politics. We are


facing multiple crises on multiple fronts in foreign policy, the NHS.


Opinion polls suggest that Jeremy Corbyn has a big following amongst


the people he has energised, but in terms of opinion polls, he would not


win the country. These are the same opinion polls which have been


incorrect. The opinion polls over the last five electoral cycles, the


online polls got the referendum right, all of the polls got the SNP


surge and the referendum right. If you are looking for positive things


to say about Jeremy Corbyn, that is the worst thing to say, because if


there is an error there, all of the trends would suggest it would be


underestimating... I think the excitement of the new politics is


coming from that working-class community who has tuned out of


politics for quite some time, and you have the seeds of Labour


movement happening in this country again, the likes of which we have


seen for some time. If Owen Smith was going out and having thousands


of people turning up to rallies and the Labour Party members were


surging over him, these people would say, these are some great signs of


engagement. Will we see Jeremy Ben and Owen Smith on the front pages


between now and September the 21st? A bit, but not that much.


Billions of people around the world watched one after another


after another electrifying performance by British


"A sporting superpower" - that's how the chief executive of UK


Sport describes the UK after the massive medal haul


which puts the UK second only to the US.


So how did Team GB do it and have these hard-won victories wider


Has this achievement the power to perform miracles in other


We asked Matthew Syed, a former Commonwealth


table-tennis champion, and now a leader in the science


of high performance, to make a film for us.


A gold and silver. Rio 2016 has been a triumph for Team GB. These


excesses have captivated the nation, and have been pretty broad. The 67


medals have encompassed familiar sports would also diving, tae kwon


do and hockey. Something else has happened as well. People have


extrapolated from Team GB's success, funded by ?300 million of public


money, to make broader claims about the economy, written's place in the


world, even the merits of central planning. Here are five big claims


about our sporting triumph and whether they add up. Central


planning can fix the economy. UK Sport has picked winners. Targeting


sports which promised success and cutting back on those that


historically have not made the grade. And can the idea of picking


winners be used in industrial planning as well? It is easy to lose


sight of just how complicated a modern economy is. It is ?1.6


trillion in the UK economy, 10 billion distinct products and


services. To look at an achievement like funding UK LE sport and to say


therefore we can do the same thing with the economy, it does not carry


over. It is on a different scale. The budget of UK Sport in the last


four years would not fund the National health service for one day.


British Olympians are disproportionately middle-class. In


Beijing 20's 2008, half of the gold medallist from Team GB were


privately educated. The trajectory is downwards. This year's team is


made up of 542 athletes, it is estimated that 20% went to private


school, compared with 7% of the general population. Compared with


other sectors, the gap is not as stock. 32% of MPs went to private


school, 71% of top military officers, 74% of the top judges. The


Olympics is more representative in terms of social class than other


elite professions. Lots of the professions now are much more


meritocratic, but not completely. Whereas you might not get your


training place in a law firm, your parents can go on all day like to UK


Sport and the performance director but it won't wash, because the only


thing that will get those young people into Team GB is that they are


good enough. Marginal gains can transform our public institutions.


Marginal gains has become a Team GB motto. It is all about breaking the


problem of winning, for example, a bike race into its component parts,


improving every single one, even if it is by 1%, the overall effect can


be huge. Altering the bike designed to improve aerodynamic efficiency,


optimising the skin suits, the shoes, altering the diet. Finding


the tiny witnesses in one's assumptions and turning them into


strengths. Olympians show that hard work is AK Party of success. Reality


TV is about immediate success, instant gratification, a lot of the


stars have done little more to achieve their fame than fallout of a


night up. Olympians offer a different perspective, they took


about dedication, sacrifice and a journey of real achievement. Does


this matter? Absolutely. Research has shown if children by the line


that success is instant, effortless and capricious, they lose motivation


on everything from schoolwork to sport. Why bother to persevere if


you have not made it to the top in a flash? In one experiment, talking to


children about the importance of effort and the relationship between


what you put in and what you get out used in performance on a test by


20%. This growth mindset message is important. Britain can stand on its


own two feet in the world and win. If Team GB's success proves


anything, it is that the old trope of a fading colonial power


outflanked by younger, fresher nations like Australia and the USA


is complete Tosh. The UK is not a nation of sporting losers. There has


always been immense talent, and when that is fused with an enlightened


system and an outward looking mindset, we can beat the world. Post


Brexit, this should offer at least some cause for optimism. There is no


inherent reason why Britain cannot compete and trade in science and


technology as well. Who needs a degree to


teach in the classroom? Indeed, a radical new proposal


by the Teaching Schools Council suggests that teachers can


learn their subject while teaching it to others -


everything from English to maths. All part of the Government's big


drive for more apprentices. VOICE-OVER: In the commerce class,


for example, there is no frantic squabbling over one


battered old typewriter. They've got a battery


of 36 new machines. Could you soon start training


as a teacher without a degree? That's a new proposal that


has recently emerged, one that would mark a change


in a decades-long push to get teachers to have ever higher


qualifications and it's the highest profile idea to come


from a far-reaching reform to how The big idea here is that


an apprentice teacher could start work in a school


without any postsecondary Rather than going to a university


for a few years to learn subject knowledge and then starting


to train, they would instead go straight into the classroom


and learn their subject These plans are still at a very


early stage but it's quite likely universities will stay


involved in some capacity. We are at the stage now


where we have engaged with schools, we are going to look


at what is the finished article, ie a qualified teacher,


and then work backwards. If the schools that have engaged


with this call to arms say that they want it


to be degree bearing, then the next stage is to put


the standards together and the end point assessment to submit


that to government. The Department for Education tonight


has stated this apprenticeship will need to include a degree


so apprentices will have to fit courses backed by a university


around their work as a teacher. In my experience, the immediacy


of being in a classroom with 30 learners is going to take priority


over learning about your subject. And indeed, having a good subject


knowledge is essential So I think that would take second


place, even in a situation where the headteacher had


implemented the programme well. These reforms are in part down


to a major change to the way From next year, all employers,


including those in the public sector, with a pay bill of more


than ?3 million will be forced They can get that levy back


but only if they use it to pay for apprenticeships, so there's


a strong incentive for employers to try to fit existing training


into the apprenticeship system. The funding mechanism is different


because it will be funded through the ?80 million a year that


schools will pay through the apprenticeship levy and then


the delivery model will be slightly different so it won't be


traditional four walls That's why really it plays


into the hands of the 220,000 plus teaching assistants


across the country because due to the demographics they can't


necessarily go to university, There is scepticism, however,


that teacher apprentices It's fair to say that the situation


in schools is pretty desperate financially at the moment


and teachers are very, And my worry is that this


is going to be done on the cheap and that young people


are going to be left to work in classrooms and have


very little mentoring. And my experience has shown that


mentoring is the most important relationship in schools


during initial teacher education. The Government has a target


of 3 million apprentices by 2020. If they are going to get anywhere


near that, a lot of that will be rebadging of existing training


but there are a lot of companies who hope to use apprenticeships


as a means of tapping talent pools that the universities have not


been able to attract. Many of the professions where people


will have assumed they were recruiting at degree level are now


considering recruiting at 18 and taking people through


a higher apprenticeship For example, accountancy,


management consultancy, nursing, these are areas


where they are looking already at recruiting apprentices


and many of the other professions are looking at how they might


start bringing people VOICE-OVER: A school now


of more orthodox kind, although there is not much orthodox


about this place of learning. The apprenticeship levy may only be


causing of a public argument within teaching but don't


think its effects will be Quietly, across the country,


employers are reshaping their training and recruitment


plans so they can recoup Taking a bow at the Albert Hall


in front of a rapturous Proms audience right about now


is a musical legend who says he wanted to be a gangster


until he was 11, and no, The Prom was a mash-up of the jazz,


pop and cinematic work of Quincy Jones, who's probably best


known as the producer of Now 83, he can still deliver


a pugnacious opinion. Tonight Smith meets Jones


as our culture man caught up with the composer at


rehearsals for his Prom. The last night of the Proms. Or a


Young Conservative's idea of New Year's Eve as one wag called it.


But look what they are doing to the Proms, they are dropping a bomb on


them! With the jazz song book of Mr Quincy Jones. Your sharp. I had to


make an effort! You do that every day, man. You are still out dressing


me. I got this in China, I had them made up, I like them. Every time I


go I get 28 suits! Look out, they're behind us. That was such a good time


in England in the 60s. My son was born here. We were filming The


Italian Job. I know you are asked all the time about Michael Jackson.


Do you think ultimately that is a tragic story? It is a tragic story


and we used to talk about it all the time. That's what I said a lot of


stupid things after he died. Anyway. You cannot make record like that


without extreme love, trust and respect.


There were stories of him bringing snakes and things... And


chimpanzees! I didn't like that. The snake used to wrap around me, around


my leg and I didn't like that at all. It would crawl across the


console. I'm not into snakes! So who won? He kept them. One day we went


out and I said, there is Muscles? We went downstairs and he was in the


parrot cage right there and he and the parrot didn't like it ever and


he had just eaten the parrot and his head got stuck in the cage!


We have lost some great people this year. The last two years, George


Martin, David Bowie, it doesn't stop. It is just frightening. All my


friends, I lost a lot of friends this year. Did you know David Bowie?


Can you tell us about your time with him? Every year we would rent his


yacht, he lived in Switzerland. Was he as good as everybody says? He


was, the music can never be any more or less than you are as a human


being and he was a great human being.


When it comes to the musicians the composer has known and worked


with, it's hard keeping up with Jones.


Now what about the presidential election?


I'll leave the country if that sucker won.


I assume you're referring to Mr Trump.


Very clever man and he knows how to say what they want to hear.


Uneducated rednecks, he knows how to talk to them.


I used to hang out with him. Did you?


A lot, yeah. Were you friends at one time?


Yeah, back then, but he wasn't like that, man, at all.


He used to fly with his helicopter with his name on the bottom of it.


And what about how things are in your country right now?


We keep reading reports of these difficulties


You should have seen the 30s, 40s and 50s.


In the 30s in Chicago during the depression


I wanted to be a gangster until I was 11.


Or I saw were dead bodies and Tommy guns and piles of money in back


rooms and all that stuff. This right there, I was in the wrong street and


they took a switchblade and put my hand on the fence and right there


was an ice pick. My daddy hit them in the head with a hammer.


And as for racism, Jones remembers playing in Las Vegas in 1964,


backing Frank Sinatra as part of the Count Basie Orchestra. Belafonte, in


the kitchen, they couldn't go in, and sleep in a black hotel across


town. We came there, and Frank said, we're not going to have that. The


old man wants to see you at the slot machines, there was an old man and


18 bodyguards. He said if anybody looks at him money, break both of


their legs. Frank was tough! And he stopped racism there. So it was


burgers with Sinatra on the strip but also fish with Picasso on the


French Riviera. Didn't you live near Picasso for a while? Yes, in Cannes.


We went to lunch one year. After he had finished, he would get the bones


and put them onto La Croisette Cillessen could blunt them and he


took the colours out of his pocket, blue and yellow and red and he put


his designs on them. And the cheque. -- so the Sun could burn them.


Unlike his fellow band leader, the late great James Brown, Jones said


he would not dream of finding musicians for missing a beat. So


what is the secret of getting the best out of them? It's love, man,


come on, it's not necessary to be a disciplinarian. That's what I didn't


like, what was that may be that won the Oscar? Whiplash. That is BS, no


jazz magician would take that, get out of here.


Thank you very much and thank you to Quincy Jones for the beautiful


music. But before we go we are looking


after the first in a sieve of performances from artists appearing


at this year's Proms. -- a series called tonight we have the


Zimbabwean singer Tempo magazine will be performing tomorrow. You can


catch that on BBC for tomorrow night -- who will be performing.


# Speak up cause the prophets seem to have gone to sleep


# Make a war on terror, terror is taking its war out on me


# Oh, why you gonna go and put the fuel into the middle of the fire


# It's ablaze, and the temperature is slowly getting higher


# We can talk about the heroes and the villains


# We can hear about the heroes and the villains


# Pins and needles shooting up and down all over me


# Feels like true conviction, still, it's so hard to know what to believe


# It's a game of smoke and mirrors all around me


# Do you know the heroes and the villains in this town


# We can talk about the heroes and the villains


# We can hear about the heroes and the villains


Rain pushing back across Northern Ireland overnight tonight will


spread steadily across Scotland tomorrow making for a Dell and damp


day for many bulls it could start of soggy in northern England with a


grey and misty start in the south but for most it will be a cracking


day if you like it warm and sunny with


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