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at the helm of the England football team is over, | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
courtesy of the Daily Telegraph's hidden cameras. | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
We agreed that his position was untenable | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
We didn't get to the point where we had to consider sacking him. | :00:17. | :00:27. | |
We'll ask a former sports minister and a football agent | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
spot the coded words being used to subtly attack Jeremy Corbyn. | :00:32. | :00:40. | |
Yes, it was the day that the non-Corbynites took | :00:41. | :00:56. | |
to the stage, they made clear they're here, and they aren't | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
giving in to the left, or giving up on Labour. | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
I don't know why we've been focusing on what was wrong with | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
the Blair and Brown governments for the last six years. | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
But trashing our record is not the way to enhance our brand. | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
We'll ask the question that won't go away - | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
Also tonight, head to head for the first time. | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
Donald supported the invasion of Iraq. Wrong! | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
Wrong! That is proved over and over again. | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
He actually advocated for the actions we took. | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
He sniffed, She smiled, but what was it that really mattered | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
It was one of the shortest management stints | :01:36. | :01:52. | |
up there with Brian Clough's 44-day tenure as manager of Leeds. | :01:53. | :02:01. | |
of England'S National Football team 67 days ago, is toast. | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
Allardyce, who was caught in a sting by the Daily Telegraph, | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
that he'd made a significant error of judgment. | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
He was recorded apparently giving advice on how to "get around" rules | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
After Fifa's long and tortuous problems, | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
is the probity of English football now at stake? | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
Behind that golf buddy, Sam Allardyce leaving Wembley tonight | :02:23. | :02:38. | |
after just 67 days and one match as England manager. Caught out by a | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
newspaper's secret recording, summoned to a crisis meeting and | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
then... They called it mutual consent. As a governing body we have | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
two hold ourselves to the higher standards and Sam admitted he hadn't | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
met those standards and moved on because the governing body must | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
lead. If we are going to be opinionated about how people behave | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
in football we have to be held up to high standards ourselves. A problem. | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
We dealt with it quickly and fairly and we've been transparent and here | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
we are talking about it. You've not seen this one before! This was | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
Allardyce barely two months ago. Appointed England manager, the job | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
he'd always dreamt of. Big Sam with big dreams and bristling with | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
confidence. I think I fit the chair. I hope I do. I think I have | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
experience to Basson and challenge the England team and myself and I | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
think I'm tough enough to take it. So, bring it on, hey, lads? Just 25 | :03:44. | :03:52. | |
days later, he was secretly recorded in what he believed was a meeting | :03:53. | :04:02. | |
with a far East development firm. He mocked his predecessor and | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
criticised the England setup. But this was the damning bit. Offering | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
guidance on how to avoid rules on players owned by organisations other | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
than football club is. A practice that is banned all over the world. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
Here is the England manager saying dodging it is not a problem. | :04:21. | :04:29. | |
He makes third-party ownership sound trivial technical but for many in | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
world football it is seen a scourge. High profile figures within the | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
game, even the English game, prior to the restriction of third-party | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
ownership said it was akin to human to, a modern form of slavery. Money | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
that was flowing out of the game should be kept within the football | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
family. Those that support it say it is a business transaction, akin to a | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
loan of a player and a crucial part of football clubs finances around | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
the world. Tonight, a statement from Saladin eyes himself. -- Sam | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
Allardyce. Allardyce was placed ?3 million a | :05:15. | :05:44. | |
year as England manager. But he was also secretly filmed appearing to | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
accept a ?400,000 deal to offer advice and make speeches. Tonight, | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
he's being portrayed as a symbol of the malaise within England football. | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
I didn't think England could stoop any lower from what happened in the | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
summer to Iceland. Here we are, a laughing stock of world football. | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
Have we got a problem with money in our game? We've got a problem. It's | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
greed, isn't it? There is so much money in our game. People demand and | :06:17. | :06:23. | |
ask for more. From dreams of the World Cup to a hasty exit, big Sam | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
has gone but he's left English football with a great big mess. | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
We can date this crisis from the Daily Telegraph of yesterday and now | :06:33. | :06:46. | |
we have tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. More revelations about the conduct | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
of Premier League managers. Allegations that eight former and | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
current managers have been guilty of some kind of misconduct, taking | :06:56. | :07:02. | |
inducements. It adds to a feeling of soul searching that is taking an | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
English football. We saw a very rapid response from the FA, an | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
organisation that in the past has dithered. That isn't a coincidence. | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
Greg Clark is new to the job, barely a month into it, he paid a key role | :07:19. | :07:26. | |
in saying that Sam Allardyce had to go. | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
Joining me now to discuss Sam Allardyce's departure | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
is football agent Sky Andrew, who has represented | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
England internationals Sol Campbell and Jermain Defoe. | :07:33. | :07:33. | |
And from Sheffield, the former Sports Minister, Richard Caborn. | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
Richard, was this the right decision? Absolutely. No doubt. This | :07:38. | :07:46. | |
goes to the core integrity of the sport. Third-party ownership was | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
banned in this country and then by Uefa and the fat and now we have an | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
England manager saying that we can get around it. What is important to | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
note is that the discussion is not just about Sam Allardyce. According | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
to the papers today there are a lot more implications for others. There | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
ought to be an independent enquiry by the FA. I congratulate the FA for | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
the action they have taken today but now they have got to move and set up | :08:17. | :08:25. | |
some type of in the -- some type of independent enquiry. They have been | :08:26. | :08:36. | |
saying that Fifa need to get their house in order and now the FA need | :08:37. | :08:45. | |
to move as well. Sky, would you say that this is an error of judgment? | :08:46. | :08:53. | |
The sad thing is it is another England manager gone for | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
non-footballing reasons but it is an important reason. Third-party | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
ownership was banned in 2008 by the FA and Fifa bandit last year. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
Players need to be able to make their own decisions and third-party | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
ownership doesn't allow that. Looking at the Daily Telegraph | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
tomorrow, eight managers past and present accused of taking transfer | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
bungs, do you recognise this picture? The problem with that is, | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
whenever we hear these accusations, no one is ever named. I don't think | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
anyone can take it seriously until people are named. This leaves | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
English football with a major problem. Trying to find a manager | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
who has got absolutely crystal clear history and a clear way of going | :09:45. | :09:52. | |
forward. The sad thing is with this story is at a human angle, here is a | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
guy with a lifelong ambition to be England manager is gone overnight. I | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
think the FA are very serious about the issue of third-party ownership. | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
The public have got to understand that this is something that everyone | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
across the world is trying to stop because players are literally owned | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
by an individual or a third party on the economic rights. We have got Rio | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
Ferdinand and Alan Shearer saying that England football is the | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
laughing stock of world football. How did it get to this point? To | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
some extent, it's true but let's be clear that this goes to the heart of | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
football. The integrity of football. For summary to say this is not a | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
footballing issue is naive or ducking the issue. It is about the | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
integrity of football and how it is regulated and run. You talk about an | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
independent enquiry, writing in the Telegraph tomorrow, Damian Collins, | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
the acting chairman of the Commons culture, media and sport committee | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
says that the FA seems incapable of rigorously enforcing the owners test | :11:05. | :11:12. | |
to keep unsuitable people out of the game. The FA have dealt with the | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
issue and in my opinion are absolutely right. What they ought to | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
do now is say there are further allegations, this needs a wider | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
enquiry but it needs to be independent and... So people have | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
some faith in the regulation of English football. That is what is at | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
stake. Therefore, the FA need to take that type of action to bring | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
the credibility of the game back. We've got an interim manager. How | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
quickly is it going to be to get a new manager in before the World Cup | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
qualifiers? The FA need to act quickly. They have got to do their | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
due diligence even better this time. Thank you very much indeed. | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
Well, I'll be back later on the programme with our | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
analysis of the first American Presidential debate. | :12:02. | :12:03. | |
But let's join Evan now in Liverpool at Labour Party Conference. | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
The Corbyn wing is on top here, but today, it was the turn | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
of the non-Corbynites to stand their ground. | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
Now this is a very strange time, no-one here wants to admit publicly | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
that there is a divide in Labour at least as wide as the Mersey, | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
but any unity is on the surface only, and sometimes not even that. | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
Two big characters were on stage today: Tom Watson, | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
legendary party fixer, deputy leader, | :12:29. | :12:29. | |
one time right-hand man of Gordon Brown. | :12:30. | :12:30. | |
Sadiq Khan, the London Mayor and the Labour man with the biggest | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
personal mandate in the country, also up there. | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
Both talked of needing to win elections or get into power. | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
Such is the weirdness of the struggle in the party, | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
were seen as designed to attack Jeremy Corbyn. | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
Well, I'm with Jon Ashworth, Shadow Cabinet member, | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
he'll tell us otherwise in a few minutes, but our political editor | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
Nick Watt is an expert deciphering these kinds of events. | :12:59. | :13:18. | |
It had seemed to be a relatively smooth journey, all wings of the | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
party coming to terms with Jeremy Corbyn's victory but today the | :13:26. | :13:33. | |
waters became distinctly choppy. Labour's deputy leader, who's | :13:34. | :13:34. | |
remained diplomatic during the troubled summer finally gave vent to | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
his frustration. I don't know why we've been focusing on what was | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
wrong with the Blair and Brown governments for the last six years. | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
Trashing our record is not the way to enhance our brand. We won't win | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
elections like that. And we need to win elections! Jeremy Corbyn took | :13:58. | :14:08. | |
some time to join in the applause. And for some in the audience, | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
Watson's speech went too far. Jeremy, I don't think she got the | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
unity memo. There's a certain poignancy that it is in Liverpool | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
where the scene of the battles with the militant tendency in the 1980s | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
that Tom Watson publicly confronted the central belief system of the | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
Labour left. The scene is now set for an ongoing and historic | :14:37. | :14:37. | |
showdown. You cannot play politics with | :14:38. | :14:56. | |
people's jobs and services. The man who was in his sights popped up at | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
the conference. I don't get Tom Watson. 12 months ago I was having a | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
drink with him saying to him that I support him for deputy leader and I | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
paid a few quid into his campaign. The way he's changed is | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
unbelievable. Many people say he's always been a playwright, he's come | :15:14. | :15:21. | |
back to his roots -- always been our Blairite. I view it with regret | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
rather than anger. But Tom Watson's fans drew strength from his | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
impassioned speech. This week, we are bringing those different | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
divisions together again. Tom laid out a route map for us to do that, | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
how we can make them relevant to the modern world. In so doing we can | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
make ourselves popular. It is a brilliant speech and it has got me | :15:55. | :16:04. | |
fired up. The leader of one of Britain's's trade unions thought it | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
provided a reminder of the importance of heading for | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
government. It is great having 500,000 members but there are 41 | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
million voters. We are with Jeremy but we are not a fan club. Today, | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will bring the conference to a close. Critics have | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
a few days to decide whether they are on board ahead of a reshuffle | :16:29. | :16:29. | |
next week. Well, someone said the war | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
in the party is like herpes. Every time you think it may be | :16:33. | :16:34. | |
settling down, Jon Ashworth is with me, | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
not generally seen as a Corbyn supporter but is still | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
in the Shadow Cabinet. Evening. Does Tom Watson want to be | :16:41. | :16:51. | |
leader? I'm still trying to come to terms with that metaphor. Don't | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
worry, it was inappropriate. I don't think that was a leadership bid. I | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
think he is right to say we made an error by not defending the record of | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
the past Labour government. We were not prepared to take on the Tory | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
argument that somehow Labour completely wrecked the economy. I | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
think he's right that we should be defending the good things they did. | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
You had quite a bit of reminding the party they need to fight elections, | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
every reform was because of Labour. Why do you need to remind your party | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
that they need to win elections? Is anybody arguing against that? Of | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
course not. We've been through a divisive summer and we've got to | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
pull together and take on the Tories. Next year, the Prime | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
Minister might go for a general election, who knows. But we | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
certainly got county council elections, mayoral elections, we've | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
got to win them and get campaigning. Are you meeting any resistance on | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
that? It is very striking how much your wing of the party are | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
emphasising, power, winning elections. I think Jeremy wants us | :18:14. | :18:26. | |
to win elections. He is going to campaign against the return to | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
grammar schools. It is a very tall order. Does it feel that the party | :18:32. | :18:40. | |
is united at the moment? We've had a difficult summer. Those of us who | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
think we need to pull together have got to unify. When we go back to | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
Parliament we've got to be an effective front bench. I think it's | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
a very weak Tory government that we can exploit, the lack of fiscal is, | :18:56. | :19:02. | |
that they don't have a plan for Brexit, there's loads that we can be | :19:03. | :19:14. | |
doing. He says tomorrow we need to end trench warfare. Everybody is | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
saying exactly what you've just said, you don't need to probe very | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
hard to find still an enormous amount of anger and jostling for | :19:24. | :19:37. | |
position in his party. The people we are letting down by not unifying... | :19:38. | :19:49. | |
For many people who have interpreted this request to think about winning | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
elections are wrong to think it is a coded attack? I make the same speech | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
every year where I say we need to get out and campaign. One of the | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
things to reflect on his Labour is in power in certain places, London | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
and Wales. There is a contrast between what you get when they are | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
in power and the Labour that is framing and discussing things here. | :20:18. | :20:25. | |
Isn't there? In what way? Today, we basically learned Jewish and fees | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
are going to go up from ?4000 to ?9,000. The Welsh government are | :20:33. | :20:42. | |
going to implement a plan to scrap the ?5,000 tuition fee grant so they | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
will be paying the same tuition fees as England. That is a Welsh Labour | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
Government, today, not even being discussed. That is the logic of | :20:57. | :21:04. | |
devolution, that is the system we are in. But you are happy to see | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
them go up? I would rather they did not pursue that policy. But whatever | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
they've decided, I don't know enough about it. They've got the power to | :21:18. | :21:24. | |
raise income tax. There is still time for them to change their minds. | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
All the signs are tuition fees will go to ?9,000. Jeremy Corbyn has | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
clearly given the impression. He said, I want to apologise on behalf | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
of the Labour Party to the last generation of students. It is | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
clearly a different position to the UK Labour Party but devolved parties | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
can make those decisions. Does it tell you that when Labour gets into | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
power it needs to be different from the Jeremy Corbyn party? Sadiq Khan | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
implied that the case. When Labour gets into power, as they have done | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
in Wales, and cities like Bristol and my own, Leicester, the Labour | :22:06. | :22:12. | |
leaders put together a package of policies which have broad appeal to | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
the electorate and that is what Jeremy and his team have to do. Put | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
together a package that has broad appeal to mums and dads worried | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
about childcare, appeals to people worried about the state of | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
education, appeals to people who are so fed up that their wages have been | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
stagnant for the last ten years. Actually, those policies are not | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
crazy or socialist left-wing, they are common sense policies and we | :22:40. | :22:48. | |
need to talk about them more. Just think about how the party has | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
changed. One of the main ones is Sadiq Khan, who was not much known | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
until he was selected for a candidacy. We caught him up today | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
for a quick hello. He was basically repeating the message that defines | :23:07. | :23:15. | |
the divide of this conference. Labour is so far from power. Are you | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
a beacon of hope? I've been described as many things and I will | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
take that. The key thing is we've got big elections across the | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
country, we need to Windows. We need to Windows why? Those cities and | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
regions need Labour representation. Speaking as the Mayor of London, the | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
greatest prize is winning the general election. That is what | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
Labour is all about. The strong point is, look at the Labour Party's | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
history, whether it is the creation of the NHS, legal aid, the Human | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
Rights Act, we did those by winning elections. Winning elections. Here | :23:56. | :24:05. | |
with me is Ed Miliband's former adviser, Owen Jones from the | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
Guardian and Matty Parish from the Times. Is the party united? I think | :24:08. | :24:16. | |
people will try to unite but underneath it it will be hard. | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
Nobody thinks we will come together and be some happy clappy family. But | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
there is an acceptance even from moderates. You either step up and | :24:27. | :24:34. | |
serve properly or you go to the backbenches and get on with what | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
you're doing. But you can just carry on the constant sniping. There's a | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
feeling you've got to accept the scale of the defeat. Let him succeed | :24:44. | :24:56. | |
or fail on his own terms. I think Labour is more united than people | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
give it credit for. Ideological age there are far greater divisions in | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
the 1980s. These days, on all wings of the Labour Party there is quite a | :25:09. | :25:10. | |
lot of consensus tax Justice, workers' | :25:11. | :25:23. | |
rights, there's not actually, when it comes to it, a massive division. | :25:24. | :25:31. | |
I think freedom of movement is going to be quite a divisive issue. It is | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
not a left- right issue. You remind me that even the Tories agree with | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
quite a lot of what you're seeing. Of course they are not united, Owen | :25:41. | :25:57. | |
speaks to the victors and Jeremy Corbyn has one. Labour can find | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
unity if the moderates accept defeat and I agree, in a sense, they have | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
to accept that if the party is to be united. I don't think they should, | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
but... The question is, you can have unity, slightly dead eyed unity | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
where we get together and move away from the public, that is not great | :26:18. | :26:26. | |
for the general outcome. Labour needs to be a broad church. The idea | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
that the left of the party have conquered that is not borne out by | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
the reality. If people can go through issues where there is a | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
genuine ideological chasm, I don't think it's there. On the main issues | :26:44. | :26:50. | |
it takes quite a lot. The remark that we no longer need to whisper | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
the name of socialism, that is not a broad church. Do you know the only | :26:55. | :27:03. | |
leadership candidate who used socialism? It was Tony Blair. I | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
don't think a Shadow Chancellor talking about socialism at a Labour | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
Party conference is a new thing. The truth is the policies. Not all of | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
this is about policy, there is a cultural divide in the party. You've | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
got to be honest about that. I think we've got to try and find some way | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
of coming together, mainly because we are so exhausted by fighting. | :27:30. | :27:38. | |
Everybody is spent. I agree with Matthew, the moderates, and I am a | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
moderate, we've got to accept. I'm not an extremist! We've got to | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
accept that we lost. We made a really stupid challenge and we lost | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
badly. You guys won and you can do what you want. What happens to the | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
moderates, I don't know what we call them? What do they do? Do they find | :28:03. | :28:12. | |
another job? They give in, they run up the whitefly, some of them will | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
toe the line, others, most, I suspect, slink away from politics | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
and don't stand again in the next election. Quite a few will be afraid | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
of being reselected. That is the only kind of Labour Unity now | :28:29. | :28:35. | |
available. That is very sad for the political centre. I think all sides | :28:36. | :28:52. | |
need to give and take. They need to accept they have the biggest | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
Democratic party in Western Europe, but the leadership should oppose | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
mandatory reselection so MPs don't feel that threat. Have a portion of | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
the Shadow Cabinet elected by MPs. That is a compromise. You always | :29:06. | :29:13. | |
say, focus on these internal divisions, but there is lots of | :29:14. | :29:22. | |
scope for common ground. What I'm suggesting, which is basically that | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
the Labour moderates should not give up without a fight, should not go | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
for unity, should stand up for themselves, could be fatal to the | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
Conservative Party in a period where I think the Conservative Party will | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
be in all kinds of trouble. What you are suggesting, Labour should unite | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
around the Jeremy Corbyn line is fine for the Conservatives. We need | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
to be honest. If you've spent the summer doing tearful interviews | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
about how bad Jeremy Corbyn was and you think he is not fit for purpose | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
you cannot crawl back and say I've had a huge conversion. | :30:02. | :30:09. | |
Can the non-Corbyn wing ever get the keys back to the vehicle? Some of | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
them are trying to find half a million mainstream, moderate members | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
will stop people don't join a party like that. We've not focused on | :30:22. | :30:29. | |
policy issues. I think it should be about policy issues. If MPs think | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
Labour is heading for a terrible defeat and they want the leadership | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
to own it, then many members will say it is your fault. If the | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
leadership is seen to give ground and give an inspiring alternative | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
that resonates with people, then people who rebelled against | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
Corbynista can say that they had big grievances but they have changed. | :30:58. | :31:07. | |
Owen, you would support Corbyn but Mark two has to be different to Marc | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
Warren. Are you seeing evidence that he has learned or picked up what he | :31:12. | :31:21. | |
needed to do? He was re-elected three days ago but I think there are | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
promising signs. There's no sign at all. They are rampant, they have | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
one. They are talking as though they have one, growing, and good luck to | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
them. Labour MPs don't understand that over the next three and a half | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
years there is a huge opportunity for them. A Conservative Party who | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
has been returned with a mandate that she can't possibly fulfil. They | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
are ready to split. If Labour MPs in the House of Commons were to unite | :31:56. | :31:57. | |
and oppose the government and in the lobbies, they have enormous | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
potential power. Next week's story, the Tory party conference. The three | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
of you are going to hang around and do a Facebook live thing. You can | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
put your questions to them. We will go and get a drink and go to a quiet | :32:15. | :32:21. | |
space. Go to our Facebook page and you will see as. Facebook live. | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
Tomorrow, Jeremy Corbyn takes to the stage - | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
Donald Trump began his own post-match analysis almost | :32:28. | :32:35. | |
as soon as he stepped off the podium after last night's | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
first Presidential Debate which ranged over trade, | :32:39. | :32:40. | |
race, foreign policy, temperament - his. | :32:41. | :32:41. | |
He claimed his microphone was defective, | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
he insisted he didn't sniff his way through the debate, | :32:45. | :32:46. | |
and that Hillary Clinton did not get under his skin. | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
He said he's really eased up because he didn't want to hurt | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
anyone's feelings, and he may hit her harder next time. | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
With a background of tightening polls the consensus | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
among the pundits was that Hillary Clinton edged it. | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
So much for the opinion, here's Emily to take us | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
First number of the night, 30, the minutes which matter when the | :33:03. | :33:15. | |
audience is switched on. Trump dominates, he opens well, crawling | :33:16. | :33:23. | |
Clinton on the trade deals. The worst trade deal ever signed in this | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
country. He accuses Hillary Clinton of flip-flopping on the transpacific | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
partnership deal, which she did. You know that if you did win, you would | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
have proved that. That would almost be as bad as Nafta. The next number | :33:40. | :33:53. | |
is zero. The amount of federal tax that Donald Trump admits to paying. | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
Maybe he wouldn't want you to know that he has paid nothing in federal | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
tax. The only times he has had two was when he had to turn his taxes | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
over to federal authorities when he was trying to open a casino. That | :34:10. | :34:19. | |
makes me smart. That's rate. Right. He did say he was smart not to pay | :34:20. | :34:29. | |
tax. Trump offers to release his tax returns if she releases her lost | :34:30. | :34:36. | |
e-mails. She concedes error. If I had to do it over again, I would do | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
it differently. The night was always am elated by fact checking and lies. | :34:42. | :34:51. | |
34 false claims for Donald Trump and four false claims for Hillary | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
Clinton and to misleading for both. But Donald Trump was by far the most | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
dishonest. But after half an hour the growing realisation that there | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
is an extra player in this debate. John's knows. HE SNIFFS. We reckon | :35:06. | :35:23. | |
about 15 sniffles. It spawned its own Twitter account. Who had what | :35:24. | :35:30. | |
pundits might call possession of the argument? 17 interruptions by | :35:31. | :35:37. | |
Clinton of Trump. And 51 by Trump of Clinton. There's nothing crazy about | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
not letting our companies bring their money... It would be | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
squandered too, believe me. And don't forget Lester Holt who gets | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
interrupted as well. You supported the war in Iraq before the | :35:54. | :36:01. | |
invasion,... I did not support the war in Iraq. That is mainstream | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
media nonsense put out by her. I was against the war in Iraq. The record | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
shows otherwise. The record does not. The record shows I am right. | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
When Lester gives up, Hillary steps in. It is proved over and over | :36:19. | :36:27. | |
again. How does it all end? Percentage who thought Clinton won? | :36:28. | :36:37. | |
According to CNN, 62%. PPP gave 51%. A typical bounce of between two and | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
four percentage points. No wonder she couldn't resist this smoked | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
weed. By usual metrics she won this debate | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
people watching the debate were a little more democratic than the | :36:55. | :37:01. | |
electorate as a whole. People who chew them might not be the people | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
trying to make up their minds and they may not be the same people who | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
turn out as an election day. The only number that matters on election | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
day is this one. The number of electoral college votes needed to | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
win the presidency. Trump has proved that none of the usual rules of | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
engagement apply to him. The debate is a party piece of entertainment | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
and rather than political intent. Maybe no different. | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
Let's talk now to Joe Klein, political columnist for Time | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
magazine and the font of wisdom on Presidential politics | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
Good evening to you. Good evening. The fact that many pundits said | :37:36. | :37:49. | |
Hillary Clinton had done a better job kind of misses the point, | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
doesn't it? I don't know. Let me start off with a couple of things. I | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
want to issue an apology is on the part of the American people to the | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
rest of the world for Donald Trump who really behaved like an infant | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
last night. Secondly, having listened to the previous | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
conversation about British politics, it's reassuring to see that you are | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
as screwed up as we are. Donald Trump is like any other candidate. | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
There is no real measurement. You look at debates in the past and you | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
can't imagine a debate like this. He doesn't play by political rules. And | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
people like him for that. Some people like him for that, other | :38:34. | :38:41. | |
people are horrified. He has a firm 40% of the population at this point | :38:42. | :38:47. | |
who see this contest as more reality TV than reality and he can be | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
entertaining. He wasn't entertaining last night. He was imprudent, | :38:52. | :39:00. | |
impertinent, he didn't make the arguments that he might have made. | :39:01. | :39:10. | |
It was really incompetent. We heard 80 million watched the debate and | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
for many of them it would have been their introduction to this campaign. | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
Once the debates start, they pay attention. On the basis of that | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
debate alone, you talk about him being all but crazy but actually a | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
lot of people out there are looking at him and possibly liking some of | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
the things he said about jobs, about trade and so forth. Well, that's | :39:37. | :39:43. | |
true and it's too bad we didn't have a chance to get into that because | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
his positions on those issues are nonsensical. He called the North | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
American free act agreement passed by Bill Clinton in 1993 having been | :39:56. | :40:02. | |
negotiated by George HW Bush, he called it the worst disaster in | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
history but every balanced economist that I've read on this issue says | :40:08. | :40:17. | |
that Nafta has been awash, providing some good things and bad things on | :40:18. | :40:24. | |
both sides. His exaggerations play to the populist element in our | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
country, as you have in your country, that doesn't really think | :40:30. | :40:36. | |
beyond the reflective reaction that," those Mexicans are taking our | :40:37. | :40:46. | |
jobs." He had a line, you have tried that for 30 years, the idea is he is | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
doing something different. Is that his plan? Will he be pushing that | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
until November? If he is competent to do so but he doesn't seem to be. | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
He walked into that debate with a very strong argument on national | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
security. It was that Hillary Clinton has supported some very | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
disastrous actions on the part of the US government, she voted for the | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
war in Iraq, she supported President Obama's expansion of the war in | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
Afghanistan and she supported the Nato action in Libya. There are an | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
awful lot of people who agree with him about this. He seems unable, the | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
guy has the attention span of a fruit fly, he seems to be unable to | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
press an argument and that was true on a number of different subjects | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
last night. Which is why, you know, I think most pundits say he lost. | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
However, most pundits have been wrong about Donald Trump as you | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
pointed out from the very beginning. It's impossible to say yet what | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
actually happened last night in terms of how the American people | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
responded to it. Thank you very much. Lovely to hear from you. | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
That's all we have time for. Until tomorrow night, a very good night. | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
The weather is quiet out there now but we have some very strong winds | :42:15. | :42:30. | |
that won't reach as until Thursday. Mostly the northern half of the UK. | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
Here's a look at Wednesday. We have some cloud and rain on the way. | :42:36. | :42:45. | |
Notice the north of Scotland, overcast, even further south, across | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
the Lake District and Pennines, some light rain on and off. The best | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
weather will be in Lincolnshire, East Anglia, certainly the | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
south-east. Temperatures up to around 21 degrees. Not looking so | :43:01. | :43:07. | |
bad along the south coast. Cornwall, Devon, here at times, there will | :43:08. | :43:08. |