28/09/2016 Newsnight


The horrors of Aleppo from inside a hospital and the latest on the abuse inquiry. Plus Jeremy Corbyn speaks, prog rock returns, and did the working class really vote for Brexit?

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Words can no longer capture the reality of life in Aleppo..


We'll bring you recent footage of doctors working


doing their utmost to help children in the most desperate conditions.


It is difficult viewing, but no-one watching the pictures


coming out the city can say they were never told


We'll ask this rescue worker in Aleppo why


Also tonight Ryhall ladies and gentlemen, please well, Jeremy


Corbyn. Also tonight we send Newsnight's man


of the people Chris Cook on the road to see how Corbyn is playing


in the bellweather constituencies. Now that I have listened


to him properly. With Tony Blair, I only voted


for him, I never liked the bloke anyway, but he was


the better of the options. Our previous Newsnight man is here


to put the case for word. Tony Blair 's speech writer may disagree.


And we relive the era of Prog Rock, in case you didn't realise how


What seemed like a worldwide revolution about changing the way


the world is, looking for a better place,, their Age of Aquarius was on


our doorstep as well. Hello, The words to describe


the plight of the city of Aleppo However, with the help of doctors


there, we can show you recent The background is that


the rebel-held eastern part of the city is under siege


and is victim to a sustained assault by the Syrian government; terror has


been rained upon the residents for days, surpassing some


of extremes of brutality Today, two hospitals were struck,


and it is inside a hospital, Many would say that


if what you are about to see is not classed as a war crime,


then it should be. John Sweeney has been looking though


the footage and obviously I should Imagine if your local hospital


looked like this. No water, no time to clean up the blood and where the


living live cheek by jowl with the dead. This is Aleppo under siege in


an underground hospital. The war in Syria gets more pitiless by the day,


the bombing of Aleppo is relentless. Early this morning, blasts from a


bomb caused concrete to fall on the intensive care unit in the hospital


and knocked out its oxygen generator. On Sunday, cluster bombs


some with a new factor marks by Russia, blasted Aleppo. The hospital


had 180 patients, ten died and on Monday 27 patients died, amongst


them seven children. We cannot check those numbers, but these images are


not make-believe. This is brain surgery carried out on the floor


because all the other bed in intensive care have been taken.


When a cluster bomb explodes, it fires out ball bearings and one


ended up here, according to this x-ray in the spine of this little


boy. A second came through the back of


this boy's head to end up behind his nose. A third landed in this


patient's liver. This fragment here, we are trying to extract it, without


injuring the elements of it. Oh my gosh! This is a big fragment here,


actually. This is from a cluster bomb. What are we looking at? This


man works for BBC Arabic and comes from Aleppo. He watched the footage


we have been sent. What is it like being a patient this hospital? You


have a very slim chance to survive. Because of the number of casualties


and injuries, they cannot cope. They leave the casualties on the floor


and they have to take care of the people who have the better chance to


make it. That is the only way they can cope. They are under constant


bombardment. Some of the images being sent from Aleppo cannot be


shown. The next picture is off, I think it is a child, it is a mess of


blood and concrete, the head may be decapitated. It may be one of the


worst things I have ever seen and it is on broadcast of all. There is a


problem with that. We are not sure we knew, the full horror of this


war, we are not able to broadcast it. The news from the hospital is


not all bleak. Two weeks ago, we saw this operation using a surgeon in


London who directed his colleagues how to build a new job for this man.


Now, he can talk. Tonight the life of this patient and


the children with ball bearings in their bodies are in the hands of the


doctors free Aleppo. That report was compiled by John Sweeney.


Earlier this evening, we got an internet video phone


connection to Aleppo, and I spoke to Ishmael al-Abdullah,


who is with the White Helmets, a Syrian volunteer rescue group.


I began by asking him whether most of the victims in Aleppo


The most victims in Aleppo city are children.


Because if you were a father and you are now in Aleppo city,


if you have kids, you will not leave the kids, leave your house,


and you will make them stay in your house.


And when the air strike targeted your house, eventually,


the kids will be under the rubble and will be injured.


Because we don't have any schools, anything.


and now they make them sleep more to consume less food.


And this is why most of the kids are the victims in Aleppo.


Ishmael, you have been to the hospitals that


Can you just tell us what you saw when you visited those facilities?


Actually, it's a big damage there, and destruction, and the nurse died


And the hospital - it's not the first time


Just three days ago, it was targeted, direct, actually.


Everyone who gets injured, the first thing they say, OK,


A dangerous place more than any place.


The doctors who are working in those hospitals, they're real heroes.


All that we have, just a few doctors in all Aleppo city,


they are moving from hospital to another hospital.


They stay in this hospital five hours, then they go to the other


And everyone, everyone who works in the hospitals now are heroes,


actually, because they are risking their lives,


and they know in any moment they can be killed


what is the situation in eastern Aleppo, quite apart


I came to a bakery today, and many people who were gathering


in the morning to get bread for their kids, for their families,


and they were targeted by the air strike, the mortars,


and many people died in that massacre.


Again, it's not the first time they targeted the bakeries.


A warplane was, and it still is in our sky,


Do you ever think, we should give in, we should let Assad


take this place over, because the siege


No, because most of the people who are staying in Aleppo city now,


When the road was open, they didn't go.


They stayed to defend, to say no to the bombing.


If the situation gets worse, I don't know.


Maybe we will say something else, but up to now, people


Ishmael al-Abdullah, thank you very much.


In Liverpool it was Jeremy Corbyn's big day: his second


An hour long, it was undoubtedly considerably more confidently


More cleverly populist in its themes; I thought more


aspiration, optimism and sunny socialist upland than you sometimes


get, and a number of specific ideas in there too.


But let's hear what our political editor thinks -


What did you think? This was the best speech by Jeremy Corbyn on a


national stage. One year into the job and after that challenge, this


was the most fluent performance we have seen from him. There were


messages for his critics who say you're only interested in leading a


protest group and he said that campaigning was at the heart of the


movement but it seeks to win power at a national and local level to


improve lives. He did have messages for his supporters, he said it was


right for him to apologise on behalf of the party for the Iraq war and we


did hear the word that dare not speak its name, socialism. As he put


at the party on an election footing, it appeared to be an attempt to


reach out to the wider electorate and really explain some of the ideas


and policies that would form the heart of an election campaign led by


him, allowing councils to borrow against housing stock to allow extra


homes to be built and encouraging children to learn an instrument


through an arts Pupil Premium programme. His critics say, you can


dream the greatest dreams, but unless you have economic


credibility, no one will take you seriously. Jeremy Corbyn was the


last act, what happens now? It looks like he will reshuffle his front


bench before he reaches agreement with the Parliamentary label party


on elections to the Shadow Cabinet. That will not happen until November.


I spoke to two former frontbenchers who say they will go back and some


of the people who are in favour of the elections oppose them a few


years ago and they think that around a dozen will go back. But there is a


much larger group of former frontbenchers who will not return,


they have appointed the chairman of the PLP as they're informal shop


steward and I spoke to one of them and they said we have heard about


the Olive tree but we have not seen the olive branches yet. They want a


clear undertaking from Jeremy Corbyn that he will discourage deselection


selections and move on those elections.


But everybody knows that is not the mainstream media that matters,


not the pundits, not the members, it is what the public think that


matters, which is why we sent Chris Cook to the marginal


constituency of Bury North, in the north part of Bury,


What did the folks there make of it, or at least the ones


who we enticed into sitting down to watch the speech?


Bury, on the outskirts of Manchester, was the home


of Robert Peel, a man who transformed the Conservative


And, in a pub that bears his name, we assembled a panel of voters


One is a new voter, and three are winnable voters who have


The issue that most divided this group was economics,


specifically, Mr Corbyn's plans for more public spending.


We've set out proposals for a national investment plan,


with 500 billion of investment, to bring our broadband,


our railways, housing and energy infrastructure up to scratch.


To borrow 500 billion, did he say, or million?


You've got to invest to get it back in. But what about the global


financial crash? I agree, but equally, what are we going to do?


Let the services like the NHS, our roads, you know, our


infrastructure... We need to invest. And build a fairer Britain in a


peaceful world. Thank you. CROWD CHEERS


We have to make sure that... No one would disagree that corporate


should be paying the right taxes. That's a given. I think adding an


extra percentage to national insurance for all businesses is


almost like throwing the baby out with the bath water, which is what


he does with a number of policies, like zero-hour contracts.


Mr Corbyn also set out a liberal position on immigration,


which this group was pretty relaxed about.


But they acknowledged others would disagree.


Where are they going to go? It's an island. You can see that that will


be a bit problematic. Precisely. It's not a racist point, it's...


Still, Mr Corbyn impressed this group of voters, even


I'd like to hear more about his plan to the economy, especially


borrowing. I agree that austerity hasn't worked, but we've also seen


that borrowing has worked in the past, so I'd like to see what his


plans are to make it work. I think that speech was sound bites for


people who feel left behind. I don't think it was the people who have an


opinion. There was no meat on the bones. What he said was great, but


nobody knows how he will do it. Would this make you more likely to


vote for him? Yes, now I've listened to him properly. With Tony Blair, I


never liked the blokes, but I voted for him because he was the better


option. Now I have listened to him, I will be carrying on voting Labour.


All in all, a positive verdict for Mr Corbyn's first speech in his


second leadership term. Joining us is Phil Collins


from the Times - a former speech writer for Tony Blair


and Paul Mason, broadcaster Good evening. Is it sellable, what


you heard today? No. One of the problems with the proposition Jeremy


Corbyn put out, was that every single clip had Jeremy Corbyn in it.


Leadership is a big problem. The speech itself was better than he'd


done before, and lots in it was entirely unobjectionable. I don't


mind that it's vague at this stage in the Parliament, as every leader


is vague at this stage. But I wonder whether a speech that could have


been delivered by Ed Miliband without Ed Balls' restraining


influence, whether that is sellable now when it wasn't sellable a few


years ago, I very much doubt it has changed. The salespeople will be


650000 and rising Labour members. I think we realise in that


conference... Those members are very energised and enthusiastic, and many


have been waiting many years to hear a Labour leaders say that free


market economics is over because it leads to inequality and unjust Wars,


and we are going to stop it. Into that pub will walk a labour


activist, and they will and a pint and hopefully people will come out


and vote for Corbyn. Was Corbyn your first choice for leader? He was


meant to go in 2018 and be replaced by somebody else more dynamic. It is


not so much meant to, but before the coup, that part around Lisa Nandi


and Owen Smith were discussing about how they position themselves if


Corbyn does a succession thing. That is stymied by... In fact, I think


history has been made. That will not happen now. Is it possible to put


together a leftist populist agenda. He's an outsider saying that we will


smash the system, as does Donald Trump. Can left-wing politicians


pull that off in the way that Donald Comp is pulling that off with


Americans? In this country, the answer seems to be no. There is no


warrant in British political history that this is the case. I cannot


imagine how the people of Bury North, who voted conservative only


months ago, will all of a sudden... How a labour activist will go into


the pub and make them change their minds. They are going to vote Tory


because they will make up their own minds, and the notion that they will


be enticed by a left-wing shopping list with no idea how he's going to


do it, that credibility gap is something that Corbyn needs to


address. How would you make it work? It's one thing you've got to go


through, economic credibility, before that... That is conventional


wisdom. He started talking about Bristol, Liverpool, Sadiq Khan. But


I object to the idea that this is left-wing populism. No left-wing


populist will have done what he did today, which was stand up and give


that pro-migration, down the line... It is what Labour working class


people do every day. They don't say, we understand your concerns over


migration. They say, mate, you are wrong. It is not the migrant's


fault, it is the boss' fault. Do you think that the argument over


economic profitability -- credibility, has that all gone now?


In the US, half the population seems to think you don't have to worry


about rational argument. In a year when the Bank of England printed 50


billion extra, to spend yet another ten on corporate bonds, that is 60%


of the 100 billion a year that Corbyn wants to borrow and leveraged


in with this national investment bank. I think we can explain way he


would get this money from. You think you can print it, don't you? My view


is that any objective observer of the relationship between fiscal and


monetary policy says, you do borrow what you can and you do print what


you can through the Bank of England. They are not saying that in Bury


North. The idea that this revolutionary zeal will come to


Britain and overtake Basingstoke, it is just not going to happen. When we


look back on this in a few years and we see that Jeremy Corbyn got the


entirely predictable 23% of the country... You are predicting 23%?


We will have you both back! Thank you very much.


The huge and troubled inquiry into child sexual exploitation,


The legal counsel to the inquiry, Ben Emmerson has been suspended.


But it seems the inquiry was concerned with aspects


There have already been three changes of chair,


What do we know about the relationship between Ben Emmerson


and everyone else involved. Ben Emmerson is the most senior person


on the enquiry. He has taken an active role in talking to a number


of survivors groups in gaining their confidence and participation in the


enquiry. There have been previous reports of friction. The Times


reported today he was actively considering his position, poised to


resign, we were told. We heard there was differences in opinion between


him and the enquiry's latest chair, Alexis J. She wants to keep the


enquiry as it is. We were told Ben Emmerson is in favour of


restructuring it to make it a bit smaller. We were told there were


differences in opinion. At about 8:30pm today, the news came that Ben


Emmerson had been suspended by the enquiry. They said, the enquiry had


recently become very concerned about aspects of Ben Emmerson's leadership


and he has been suspended. They added that if he does have concerns


about the structure of the enquiry, he hadn't conveyed them. This is an


enormous blow for the enquiry. The enquiry looks a bit jinxed. It keeps


losing people. It is on its fourth chair in two years. The latest one


is a social worker. Social workers... Survivors groups are


threatening to pull out. It is an appalling mess. Ben Emmerson said


tonight he would respond when he has had a chance to look at the


allegations. Since the referendum,


a lot of things have been said As the margin was so close,


any of a huge number of groups or factors can reasonably be said


to be decisive. But one proposition that has


gained some currency is that it was northern,


English working class votes Particularly, the folks who may feel


they have lost jobs or industries or identity,


and who wanted to be heard. Well, the Oxford academic,


Danny Dorling, a social geographer, thinks that


account has been overdone. He's a remainer, and he made this


short film for us to explain why it was as much the middle classes


who voted us out, as anyone. Tewkesbury is at the heart


of leafy Southern educated And in so many ways,


it is normally towns like this that hold the key to why Britain voted


to leave the EU. In almost all of England,


there was a narrow What people do not know is that 59%


of all Leave voters Of those, 34% of all Leave voters


were social Class A and B, Only 17% of all Leave voters


were skilled manual workers. The vote to leave Europe was largely


a middle-class English vote. Professionals were the only social


class group to vote the majority 57% across the UK but they


were such a large group of voters and turnout among them


was so high that they also constituted the largest


block of Leave voters. The Brexit vote has been


unfairly blamed on the poor. Geographers divide the UK North


and South, with a line that runs all the way from the Wash


right down to the Severn. Below that line, lay 52%


of all Leave voters. There are few places in the South


such as London and Oxford and Cheltenham, where house prices


are high and rents are high and you have to be doing


well to be able to live there and in those places,


the majority voted to Remain. Across the rest of the South


of England, a narrow majority of people voted to leave


in almost every place. And it is not just the middle


classes who voted for Brexit. A common myth has sprung up


that it was the lower classes, especially northern English voters


who swung the pendulum That it mattered this


much is fantasy. There is a caricature of elderly


voters, an affluent generation of pensioners, voting out


the hopes of the young. But, in fact, since 2012,


the life expectancy of elderly women It got worse in 2013 and in 2015


we had one of the largest rises in mortality that we have had


since the Second World War. If we wanted a health service funded


at the levels they have in Germany, we would actually have to spend


an extra billion pounds every week The old have not been doing well


in the UK in recent years. It is hardly surprising


then that older voters, more dependent on the health


and care services, found the ?350 Economically, in the 1970s,


the UK was one of the most equal large countries in Europe before it


entered what is now the EU. Tewkesbury may look like a chocolate


box setting, but like any English town of this size,


it is socially divided. It has its rich enclaves


and its poor enclaves. The UK is the most economically


unequal country in Europe, so perhaps it is not surprising


that it is the first country All is not well here,


the best-off 10% of people Nowhere else in Europe do


the best-off 10% take so much and half of that is taken


by the best-off 1%. Middle England is not a happy place,


it is not a healthy place. It has been pulled apart by more


than three decades of growing inequality, when push became shove,


a narrow majority across all of average England voted


for the only apparent antiestablishment


offer on the table. As does D'Maris Coffman


a Senior Lecturer in Economics What did you think of what Danny was


saying? I agree. We need to get away from the idea that the Northern


working classes are to blame. It is necessary to unpick this vote and


understand regional differences and ask whether it makes sense to


ascribe this simply to the Sunderland vote and the shock of


that and look for causes in the north. I am concerned about two


things, one is it is not clear what middle-class means in England,


everyone from a hairdresser to a hedge fund manager will say they are


middle class. He is suggesting this is a question of winners and losers


which is a way of reframing class and I wonder if that gets us as far


as we might think. That is true. What is middle-class? I have put a B


and C1 together, junior professionals. The key thing is that


there is a large group of people and the turnout was high so it really


did matter. Whatever the result was, there were more voters, but let us


be clear, the polling evidence, a BC one, 50 7%, the others 62% lead. You


can see why the world has captured this narrative -- Leave. Of those


who voted, the middle classes very large, the turnout is very large and


their key thing is if a few more of the middle class had voted Remain it


would have been Remain. There was the lack of support in comfortable


middle England for Remain and Baul was crucial. If you say that the is


large, it is how well that plays with the equality argument. The idea


that austerity is responsible for Brexit, it is worth understanding,


it hit the ball hard in the south but in Scotland where life


expectancy is the opposite, more people voted to Remain. They had a


different enemy, it was London. Some people are not feeling like that,


their children could not start a family and get a house. It is not


the best way of slicing up the population. I do have a different


explanation. I see it in terms of phrase and reactions to


multiculturalism and reactions to modernity. I think what is revealing


about the Ashcroft polls is that white Christians or 53% of them


voted to leave, at 70% of Muslims, two thirds of Asians, 80% of blacks


voted to remain, people who are not white English saw their futures in


the EU. We see that very explicitly in the poll, people who consider


themselves English, four at five wanted out. We have something


similar to what is happening in the US, where you are seeing on the one


hand, a resurgence of white nationalism. Is that class -based? I


do not think it is. The irony in the US is that people tend to blame the


Ku Klux Klan on the working classes but actually if you look at this


sort of issues where the harder Brexit MPs are from, these are


middle class people who have fantasies of an Anglo-Saxon pass,


they see England as exceptional and different from Europe, they are


subscribing to an idea that is just as exclusionary as the soccer


hooligans. They are areas that have not done as well as London. They are


being offered at continuation which does not look great. They are all


voting for something which they are told will be better and they voted


for the alternative which was not defined and it was a continuation of


being the underdog, things being difficult, schools are not getting


much better. In terms of inequality, I live in Lambeth, one of the most


unequal bearers, 80% voted to Remain and in London, you may be better


off. I am learning, you can cut it up in different ways, but there is


nothing that explains all of it. What do you think of the way


politicians are invoking their assumptions to say what sort of


Brexit we should have? Is that making sense? We really still do not


know. The interesting thing about this vote is how the money markets


did not predicted nor the spread betting, we cannot be sure what the


reason was for this and it is easy to say the public have said this or


that, but there is no solid reason. What we can say, it is not a north


and south divide, in large amounts, in the South of England, a lot of


people voted to leave and they were crucial. Thank you both very much.


Let's go back in time forty years, to a time when people wore corduroys


and believed in peace, love and the Age of Aquarius.


No, it's not more from the Labour Conference.


I'm talking about the era of groovy, far-out Prog Rock, when mastodons


of music like Pink Floyd, Emerson Lake and Palmer,


and Jethro Tull stalked the earth - and sold buckets of records.


The scene was often disparaged by the critics -


and that went for the fancy cover art of the music, too.


However, designers like Roger Dean, responsible for the artwork


of classic Yes albums, have had the last laugh.


His pieces sell for up to 5 million dollars.


On the eve of an exhibition at the Trading Boundaries gallery


in Sussex, Stephen Smith pulled on his loon pants and


People will think of Roger's work first, I think, if you mentioned


progressive rock artwork, they would go to Roger


I thought nothing could be more exciting than being involved in


designing the future, and that was a huge motivation


What was amazing at that time is that the future


At this gallery, and cafe, and furniture shop in the


Ashdown Forest, we found the great draughtsman of the future, Roger


As a young artist, he was offered the chance to do artwork


for the rock leviathans Yes, or Led Zeppelin.


Who would you say your influences are?


I see a little bit of Salvador Dali maybe, here and there.


I wouldn't really acknowledge any particular artist as an influence.


I was from aged 12 to 14 in Hong Kong.


Chinese watercolour, traditional Chinese watercolour landscape,


Before there was video, rock music or at least prog rock was about art


and the enigmatic geniuses who made it hid behind opaque artwork and a


curtain of care. We were not the Beatles any more, we were all


unknown, the band name often was not on the album sleeve. I am not quite


sure how we got into that particular frame of mind were somehow the audio


and visual and lyrical message was greater than the people but you can


walk into a room of 200 people with Genesis after having done a concert


with them and the members of the band could walk in and be unknown


because people did not know what they looked like. It took me years


to work out who Pink Floyd where! Hard to imagine kids, but this was


also before e-mail and misunderstandings could arise


between band and sleeve artist. The band were permanently argumentative


and part of the reason why the band was called Fragile, was because they


were going to fall apart. It was confused by Ian Howell and somehow


it was the earth that was fragile. I have a bit of a bomb cell for you


because Bill said that you misunderstood Fragile. I did


actually. Yes, a whole bunch of their album titles were about the


fragility of the band. Like prog rock itself, Roger Dean has never


been a darling of the arts establishment that he would not have


it any other way. I am not really part of what they do. I do not do


what they do and one of the joys of working with musicians is that they


celebrate and enjoy musicianship, the craft of the musician and the


creativity of the musician and that is not really obvious in the art


world and I would feel lost without that.


But we learned this week that the Labour leader now


has his own colouring book dedicated to him by the faithful.


It's been on sale at the Momentum event just outside


So with apologies to Andrew Lloyd Webber,


we leave you with Jeremy and his amazing


Anyone Who Had A Heart I closed my eyes, drew back the curtain. To see


for certain, what I thought I knew. Far far away, someone was weeping.


But the world was sleeping. Any dream Will do. I wore my coat. With


golden lining. Bright colours shining. Wonderful and new. And in


the East. The John was breaking. But the world was


In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Evan Davis. Features include the horrors of Aleppo from inside a hospital and the latest on the abuse inquiry. Plus Jeremy Corbyn speaks, prog rock returns, and did the working class really vote for Brexit?

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