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Words can no longer capture the reality of life in Aleppo.. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
We'll bring you recent footage of doctors working | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
doing their utmost to help children in the most desperate conditions. | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
It is difficult viewing, but no-one watching the pictures | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
coming out the city can say they were never told | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
We'll ask this rescue worker in Aleppo why | :00:22. | :00:29. | |
Also tonight Ryhall ladies and gentlemen, please well, Jeremy | :00:30. | :00:38. | |
Corbyn. Also tonight we send Newsnight's man | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
of the people Chris Cook on the road to see how Corbyn is playing | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
in the bellweather constituencies. Now that I have listened | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
to him properly. With Tony Blair, I only voted | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
for him, I never liked the bloke anyway, but he was | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
the better of the options. Our previous Newsnight man is here | :00:57. | :01:12. | |
to put the case for word. Tony Blair 's speech writer may disagree. | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
And we relive the era of Prog Rock, in case you didn't realise how | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
What seemed like a worldwide revolution about changing the way | :01:20. | :01:27. | |
the world is, looking for a better place,, their Age of Aquarius was on | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
our doorstep as well. Hello, The words to describe | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
the plight of the city of Aleppo However, with the help of doctors | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
there, we can show you recent The background is that | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
the rebel-held eastern part of the city is under siege | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
and is victim to a sustained assault by the Syrian government; terror has | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
been rained upon the residents for days, surpassing some | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
of extremes of brutality Today, two hospitals were struck, | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
and it is inside a hospital, Many would say that | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
if what you are about to see is not classed as a war crime, | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
then it should be. John Sweeney has been looking though | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
the footage and obviously I should Imagine if your local hospital | :02:12. | :02:28. | |
looked like this. No water, no time to clean up the blood and where the | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
living live cheek by jowl with the dead. This is Aleppo under siege in | :02:33. | :02:43. | |
an underground hospital. The war in Syria gets more pitiless by the day, | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
the bombing of Aleppo is relentless. Early this morning, blasts from a | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
bomb caused concrete to fall on the intensive care unit in the hospital | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
and knocked out its oxygen generator. On Sunday, cluster bombs | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
some with a new factor marks by Russia, blasted Aleppo. The hospital | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
had 180 patients, ten died and on Monday 27 patients died, amongst | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
them seven children. We cannot check those numbers, but these images are | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
not make-believe. This is brain surgery carried out on the floor | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
because all the other bed in intensive care have been taken. | :03:27. | :03:39. | |
When a cluster bomb explodes, it fires out ball bearings and one | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
ended up here, according to this x-ray in the spine of this little | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
boy. A second came through the back of | :03:48. | :04:05. | |
this boy's head to end up behind his nose. A third landed in this | :04:06. | :04:15. | |
patient's liver. This fragment here, we are trying to extract it, without | :04:16. | :04:25. | |
injuring the elements of it. Oh my gosh! This is a big fragment here, | :04:26. | :04:35. | |
actually. This is from a cluster bomb. What are we looking at? This | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
man works for BBC Arabic and comes from Aleppo. He watched the footage | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
we have been sent. What is it like being a patient this hospital? You | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
have a very slim chance to survive. Because of the number of casualties | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
and injuries, they cannot cope. They leave the casualties on the floor | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
and they have to take care of the people who have the better chance to | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
make it. That is the only way they can cope. They are under constant | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
bombardment. Some of the images being sent from Aleppo cannot be | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
shown. The next picture is off, I think it is a child, it is a mess of | :05:24. | :05:31. | |
blood and concrete, the head may be decapitated. It may be one of the | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
worst things I have ever seen and it is on broadcast of all. There is a | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
problem with that. We are not sure we knew, the full horror of this | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
war, we are not able to broadcast it. The news from the hospital is | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
not all bleak. Two weeks ago, we saw this operation using a surgeon in | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
London who directed his colleagues how to build a new job for this man. | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
Now, he can talk. Tonight the life of this patient and | :06:04. | :06:16. | |
the children with ball bearings in their bodies are in the hands of the | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
doctors free Aleppo. That report was compiled by John Sweeney. | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
Earlier this evening, we got an internet video phone | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
connection to Aleppo, and I spoke to Ishmael al-Abdullah, | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
who is with the White Helmets, a Syrian volunteer rescue group. | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
I began by asking him whether most of the victims in Aleppo | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
The most victims in Aleppo city are children. | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
Because if you were a father and you are now in Aleppo city, | :06:43. | :06:52. | |
if you have kids, you will not leave the kids, leave your house, | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
and you will make them stay in your house. | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
And when the air strike targeted your house, eventually, | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
the kids will be under the rubble and will be injured. | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
Because we don't have any schools, anything. | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
and now they make them sleep more to consume less food. | :07:16. | :07:27. | |
And this is why most of the kids are the victims in Aleppo. | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
Ishmael, you have been to the hospitals that | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
Can you just tell us what you saw when you visited those facilities? | :07:34. | :07:42. | |
Actually, it's a big damage there, and destruction, and the nurse died | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
And the hospital - it's not the first time | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
Just three days ago, it was targeted, direct, actually. | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
Everyone who gets injured, the first thing they say, OK, | :07:58. | :08:04. | |
A dangerous place more than any place. | :08:05. | :08:12. | |
The doctors who are working in those hospitals, they're real heroes. | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
All that we have, just a few doctors in all Aleppo city, | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
they are moving from hospital to another hospital. | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
They stay in this hospital five hours, then they go to the other | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
And everyone, everyone who works in the hospitals now are heroes, | :08:31. | :08:41. | |
actually, because they are risking their lives, | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
and they know in any moment they can be killed | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
what is the situation in eastern Aleppo, quite apart | :08:50. | :08:57. | |
I came to a bakery today, and many people who were gathering | :08:58. | :09:05. | |
in the morning to get bread for their kids, for their families, | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
and they were targeted by the air strike, the mortars, | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
and many people died in that massacre. | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
Again, it's not the first time they targeted the bakeries. | :09:19. | :09:27. | |
A warplane was, and it still is in our sky, | :09:28. | :09:40. | |
Do you ever think, we should give in, we should let Assad | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
take this place over, because the siege | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
No, because most of the people who are staying in Aleppo city now, | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
When the road was open, they didn't go. | :09:57. | :10:07. | |
They stayed to defend, to say no to the bombing. | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
If the situation gets worse, I don't know. | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
Maybe we will say something else, but up to now, people | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
Ishmael al-Abdullah, thank you very much. | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
In Liverpool it was Jeremy Corbyn's big day: his second | :10:24. | :10:32. | |
An hour long, it was undoubtedly considerably more confidently | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
More cleverly populist in its themes; I thought more | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
aspiration, optimism and sunny socialist upland than you sometimes | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
get, and a number of specific ideas in there too. | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
But let's hear what our political editor thinks - | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
What did you think? This was the best speech by Jeremy Corbyn on a | :10:53. | :11:06. | |
national stage. One year into the job and after that challenge, this | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
was the most fluent performance we have seen from him. There were | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
messages for his critics who say you're only interested in leading a | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
protest group and he said that campaigning was at the heart of the | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
movement but it seeks to win power at a national and local level to | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
improve lives. He did have messages for his supporters, he said it was | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
right for him to apologise on behalf of the party for the Iraq war and we | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
did hear the word that dare not speak its name, socialism. As he put | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
at the party on an election footing, it appeared to be an attempt to | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
reach out to the wider electorate and really explain some of the ideas | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
and policies that would form the heart of an election campaign led by | :11:52. | :12:00. | |
him, allowing councils to borrow against housing stock to allow extra | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
homes to be built and encouraging children to learn an instrument | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
through an arts Pupil Premium programme. His critics say, you can | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
dream the greatest dreams, but unless you have economic | :12:13. | :12:14. | |
credibility, no one will take you seriously. Jeremy Corbyn was the | :12:15. | :12:21. | |
last act, what happens now? It looks like he will reshuffle his front | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
bench before he reaches agreement with the Parliamentary label party | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
on elections to the Shadow Cabinet. That will not happen until November. | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
I spoke to two former frontbenchers who say they will go back and some | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
of the people who are in favour of the elections oppose them a few | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
years ago and they think that around a dozen will go back. But there is a | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
much larger group of former frontbenchers who will not return, | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
they have appointed the chairman of the PLP as they're informal shop | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
steward and I spoke to one of them and they said we have heard about | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
the Olive tree but we have not seen the olive branches yet. They want a | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
clear undertaking from Jeremy Corbyn that he will discourage deselection | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
selections and move on those elections. | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
But everybody knows that is not the mainstream media that matters, | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
not the pundits, not the members, it is what the public think that | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
matters, which is why we sent Chris Cook to the marginal | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
constituency of Bury North, in the north part of Bury, | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
What did the folks there make of it, or at least the ones | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
who we enticed into sitting down to watch the speech? | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
Bury, on the outskirts of Manchester, was the home | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
of Robert Peel, a man who transformed the Conservative | :13:35. | :13:36. | |
And, in a pub that bears his name, we assembled a panel of voters | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
One is a new voter, and three are winnable voters who have | :13:43. | :13:51. | |
The issue that most divided this group was economics, | :13:52. | :13:59. | |
specifically, Mr Corbyn's plans for more public spending. | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
We've set out proposals for a national investment plan, | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
with 500 billion of investment, to bring our broadband, | :14:10. | :14:11. | |
our railways, housing and energy infrastructure up to scratch. | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
To borrow 500 billion, did he say, or million? | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
You've got to invest to get it back in. But what about the global | :14:23. | :14:47. | |
financial crash? I agree, but equally, what are we going to do? | :14:48. | :14:56. | |
Let the services like the NHS, our roads, you know, our | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
infrastructure... We need to invest. And build a fairer Britain in a | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
peaceful world. Thank you. CROWD CHEERS | :15:08. | :15:15. | |
We have to make sure that... No one would disagree that corporate | :15:16. | :15:24. | |
should be paying the right taxes. That's a given. I think adding an | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
extra percentage to national insurance for all businesses is | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
almost like throwing the baby out with the bath water, which is what | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
he does with a number of policies, like zero-hour contracts. | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
Mr Corbyn also set out a liberal position on immigration, | :15:42. | :15:43. | |
which this group was pretty relaxed about. | :15:44. | :15:45. | |
But they acknowledged others would disagree. | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
Where are they going to go? It's an island. You can see that that will | :15:51. | :16:00. | |
be a bit problematic. Precisely. It's not a racist point, it's... | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
Still, Mr Corbyn impressed this group of voters, even | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
I'd like to hear more about his plan to the economy, especially | :16:07. | :16:18. | |
borrowing. I agree that austerity hasn't worked, but we've also seen | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
that borrowing has worked in the past, so I'd like to see what his | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
plans are to make it work. I think that speech was sound bites for | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
people who feel left behind. I don't think it was the people who have an | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
opinion. There was no meat on the bones. What he said was great, but | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
nobody knows how he will do it. Would this make you more likely to | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
vote for him? Yes, now I've listened to him properly. With Tony Blair, I | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
never liked the blokes, but I voted for him because he was the better | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
option. Now I have listened to him, I will be carrying on voting Labour. | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
All in all, a positive verdict for Mr Corbyn's first speech in his | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
second leadership term. Joining us is Phil Collins | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
from the Times - a former speech writer for Tony Blair | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
and Paul Mason, broadcaster Good evening. Is it sellable, what | :17:14. | :17:27. | |
you heard today? No. One of the problems with the proposition Jeremy | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
Corbyn put out, was that every single clip had Jeremy Corbyn in it. | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
Leadership is a big problem. The speech itself was better than he'd | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
done before, and lots in it was entirely unobjectionable. I don't | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
mind that it's vague at this stage in the Parliament, as every leader | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
is vague at this stage. But I wonder whether a speech that could have | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
been delivered by Ed Miliband without Ed Balls' restraining | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
influence, whether that is sellable now when it wasn't sellable a few | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
years ago, I very much doubt it has changed. The salespeople will be | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
650000 and rising Labour members. I think we realise in that | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
conference... Those members are very energised and enthusiastic, and many | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
have been waiting many years to hear a Labour leaders say that free | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
market economics is over because it leads to inequality and unjust Wars, | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
and we are going to stop it. Into that pub will walk a labour | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
activist, and they will and a pint and hopefully people will come out | :18:44. | :18:52. | |
and vote for Corbyn. Was Corbyn your first choice for leader? He was | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
meant to go in 2018 and be replaced by somebody else more dynamic. It is | :18:56. | :19:02. | |
not so much meant to, but before the coup, that part around Lisa Nandi | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
and Owen Smith were discussing about how they position themselves if | :19:09. | :19:15. | |
Corbyn does a succession thing. That is stymied by... In fact, I think | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
history has been made. That will not happen now. Is it possible to put | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
together a leftist populist agenda. He's an outsider saying that we will | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
smash the system, as does Donald Trump. Can left-wing politicians | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
pull that off in the way that Donald Comp is pulling that off with | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
Americans? In this country, the answer seems to be no. There is no | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
warrant in British political history that this is the case. I cannot | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
imagine how the people of Bury North, who voted conservative only | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
months ago, will all of a sudden... How a labour activist will go into | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
the pub and make them change their minds. They are going to vote Tory | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
because they will make up their own minds, and the notion that they will | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
be enticed by a left-wing shopping list with no idea how he's going to | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
do it, that credibility gap is something that Corbyn needs to | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
address. How would you make it work? It's one thing you've got to go | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
through, economic credibility, before that... That is conventional | :20:35. | :20:43. | |
wisdom. He started talking about Bristol, Liverpool, Sadiq Khan. But | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
I object to the idea that this is left-wing populism. No left-wing | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
populist will have done what he did today, which was stand up and give | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
that pro-migration, down the line... It is what Labour working class | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
people do every day. They don't say, we understand your concerns over | :21:06. | :21:13. | |
migration. They say, mate, you are wrong. It is not the migrant's | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
fault, it is the boss' fault. Do you think that the argument over | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
economic profitability -- credibility, has that all gone now? | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
In the US, half the population seems to think you don't have to worry | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
about rational argument. In a year when the Bank of England printed 50 | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
billion extra, to spend yet another ten on corporate bonds, that is 60% | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
of the 100 billion a year that Corbyn wants to borrow and leveraged | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
in with this national investment bank. I think we can explain way he | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
would get this money from. You think you can print it, don't you? My view | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
is that any objective observer of the relationship between fiscal and | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
monetary policy says, you do borrow what you can and you do print what | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
you can through the Bank of England. They are not saying that in Bury | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
North. The idea that this revolutionary zeal will come to | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
Britain and overtake Basingstoke, it is just not going to happen. When we | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
look back on this in a few years and we see that Jeremy Corbyn got the | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
entirely predictable 23% of the country... You are predicting 23%? | :22:38. | :22:46. | |
We will have you both back! Thank you very much. | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
The huge and troubled inquiry into child sexual exploitation, | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
The legal counsel to the inquiry, Ben Emmerson has been suspended. | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
But it seems the inquiry was concerned with aspects | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
There have already been three changes of chair, | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
What do we know about the relationship between Ben Emmerson | :23:02. | :23:15. | |
and everyone else involved. Ben Emmerson is the most senior person | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
on the enquiry. He has taken an active role in talking to a number | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
of survivors groups in gaining their confidence and participation in the | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
enquiry. There have been previous reports of friction. The Times | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
reported today he was actively considering his position, poised to | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
resign, we were told. We heard there was differences in opinion between | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
him and the enquiry's latest chair, Alexis J. She wants to keep the | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
enquiry as it is. We were told Ben Emmerson is in favour of | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
restructuring it to make it a bit smaller. We were told there were | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
differences in opinion. At about 8:30pm today, the news came that Ben | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
Emmerson had been suspended by the enquiry. They said, the enquiry had | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
recently become very concerned about aspects of Ben Emmerson's leadership | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
and he has been suspended. They added that if he does have concerns | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
about the structure of the enquiry, he hadn't conveyed them. This is an | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
enormous blow for the enquiry. The enquiry looks a bit jinxed. It keeps | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
losing people. It is on its fourth chair in two years. The latest one | :24:39. | :24:46. | |
is a social worker. Social workers... Survivors groups are | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
threatening to pull out. It is an appalling mess. Ben Emmerson said | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
tonight he would respond when he has had a chance to look at the | :24:56. | :24:56. | |
allegations. Since the referendum, | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
a lot of things have been said As the margin was so close, | :25:01. | :25:02. | |
any of a huge number of groups or factors can reasonably be said | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
to be decisive. But one proposition that has | :25:08. | :25:09. | |
gained some currency is that it was northern, | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
English working class votes Particularly, the folks who may feel | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
they have lost jobs or industries or identity, | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
and who wanted to be heard. Well, the Oxford academic, | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
Danny Dorling, a social geographer, thinks that | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
account has been overdone. He's a remainer, and he made this | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
short film for us to explain why it was as much the middle classes | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
who voted us out, as anyone. Tewkesbury is at the heart | :25:28. | :25:39. | |
of leafy Southern educated And in so many ways, | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
it is normally towns like this that hold the key to why Britain voted | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
to leave the EU. In almost all of England, | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
there was a narrow What people do not know is that 59% | :25:53. | :26:01. | |
of all Leave voters Of those, 34% of all Leave voters | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
were social Class A and B, Only 17% of all Leave voters | :26:08. | :26:15. | |
were skilled manual workers. The vote to leave Europe was largely | :26:16. | :26:25. | |
a middle-class English vote. Professionals were the only social | :26:26. | :26:35. | |
class group to vote the majority 57% across the UK but they | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
were such a large group of voters and turnout among them | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
was so high that they also constituted the largest | :26:47. | :26:48. | |
block of Leave voters. The Brexit vote has been | :26:49. | :26:50. | |
unfairly blamed on the poor. Geographers divide the UK North | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
and South, with a line that runs all the way from the Wash | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
right down to the Severn. Below that line, lay 52% | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
of all Leave voters. There are few places in the South | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
such as London and Oxford and Cheltenham, where house prices | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
are high and rents are high and you have to be doing | :27:17. | :27:18. | |
well to be able to live there and in those places, | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
the majority voted to Remain. Across the rest of the South | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
of England, a narrow majority of people voted to leave | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
in almost every place. And it is not just the middle | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
classes who voted for Brexit. A common myth has sprung up | :27:34. | :27:36. | |
that it was the lower classes, especially northern English voters | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
who swung the pendulum That it mattered this | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
much is fantasy. There is a caricature of elderly | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
voters, an affluent generation of pensioners, voting out | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
the hopes of the young. But, in fact, since 2012, | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
the life expectancy of elderly women It got worse in 2013 and in 2015 | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
we had one of the largest rises in mortality that we have had | :28:02. | :28:09. | |
since the Second World War. If we wanted a health service funded | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
at the levels they have in Germany, we would actually have to spend | :28:14. | :28:21. | |
an extra billion pounds every week The old have not been doing well | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
in the UK in recent years. It is hardly surprising | :28:25. | :28:32. | |
then that older voters, more dependent on the health | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
and care services, found the ?350 Economically, in the 1970s, | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
the UK was one of the most equal large countries in Europe before it | :28:41. | :28:51. | |
entered what is now the EU. Tewkesbury may look like a chocolate | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
box setting, but like any English town of this size, | :28:55. | :29:03. | |
it is socially divided. It has its rich enclaves | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
and its poor enclaves. The UK is the most economically | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
unequal country in Europe, so perhaps it is not surprising | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
that it is the first country All is not well here, | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
the best-off 10% of people Nowhere else in Europe do | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
the best-off 10% take so much and half of that is taken | :29:26. | :29:33. | |
by the best-off 1%. Middle England is not a happy place, | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
it is not a healthy place. It has been pulled apart by more | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
than three decades of growing inequality, when push became shove, | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
a narrow majority across all of average England voted | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
for the only apparent antiestablishment | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
offer on the table. As does D'Maris Coffman | :29:55. | :30:03. | |
a Senior Lecturer in Economics What did you think of what Danny was | :30:04. | :30:23. | |
saying? I agree. We need to get away from the idea that the Northern | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
working classes are to blame. It is necessary to unpick this vote and | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
understand regional differences and ask whether it makes sense to | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
ascribe this simply to the Sunderland vote and the shock of | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
that and look for causes in the north. I am concerned about two | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
things, one is it is not clear what middle-class means in England, | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
everyone from a hairdresser to a hedge fund manager will say they are | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
middle class. He is suggesting this is a question of winners and losers | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
which is a way of reframing class and I wonder if that gets us as far | :31:05. | :31:12. | |
as we might think. That is true. What is middle-class? I have put a B | :31:13. | :31:22. | |
and C1 together, junior professionals. The key thing is that | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
there is a large group of people and the turnout was high so it really | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
did matter. Whatever the result was, there were more voters, but let us | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
be clear, the polling evidence, a BC one, 50 7%, the others 62% lead. You | :31:42. | :31:49. | |
can see why the world has captured this narrative -- Leave. Of those | :31:50. | :31:58. | |
who voted, the middle classes very large, the turnout is very large and | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
their key thing is if a few more of the middle class had voted Remain it | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
would have been Remain. There was the lack of support in comfortable | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
middle England for Remain and Baul was crucial. If you say that the is | :32:15. | :32:21. | |
large, it is how well that plays with the equality argument. The idea | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
that austerity is responsible for Brexit, it is worth understanding, | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
it hit the ball hard in the south but in Scotland where life | :32:32. | :32:41. | |
expectancy is the opposite, more people voted to Remain. They had a | :32:42. | :32:51. | |
different enemy, it was London. Some people are not feeling like that, | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
their children could not start a family and get a house. It is not | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
the best way of slicing up the population. I do have a different | :33:02. | :33:09. | |
explanation. I see it in terms of phrase and reactions to | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
multiculturalism and reactions to modernity. I think what is revealing | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
about the Ashcroft polls is that white Christians or 53% of them | :33:19. | :33:28. | |
voted to leave, at 70% of Muslims, two thirds of Asians, 80% of blacks | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
voted to remain, people who are not white English saw their futures in | :33:34. | :33:43. | |
the EU. We see that very explicitly in the poll, people who consider | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
themselves English, four at five wanted out. We have something | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
similar to what is happening in the US, where you are seeing on the one | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
hand, a resurgence of white nationalism. Is that class -based? I | :34:00. | :34:09. | |
do not think it is. The irony in the US is that people tend to blame the | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
Ku Klux Klan on the working classes but actually if you look at this | :34:16. | :34:22. | |
sort of issues where the harder Brexit MPs are from, these are | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
middle class people who have fantasies of an Anglo-Saxon pass, | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
they see England as exceptional and different from Europe, they are | :34:30. | :34:36. | |
subscribing to an idea that is just as exclusionary as the soccer | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
hooligans. They are areas that have not done as well as London. They are | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
being offered at continuation which does not look great. They are all | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
voting for something which they are told will be better and they voted | :34:52. | :34:58. | |
for the alternative which was not defined and it was a continuation of | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
being the underdog, things being difficult, schools are not getting | :35:04. | :35:17. | |
much better. In terms of inequality, I live in Lambeth, one of the most | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
unequal bearers, 80% voted to Remain and in London, you may be better | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
off. I am learning, you can cut it up in different ways, but there is | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
nothing that explains all of it. What do you think of the way | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
politicians are invoking their assumptions to say what sort of | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
Brexit we should have? Is that making sense? We really still do not | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
know. The interesting thing about this vote is how the money markets | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
did not predicted nor the spread betting, we cannot be sure what the | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
reason was for this and it is easy to say the public have said this or | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
that, but there is no solid reason. What we can say, it is not a north | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
and south divide, in large amounts, in the South of England, a lot of | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
people voted to leave and they were crucial. Thank you both very much. | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
Let's go back in time forty years, to a time when people wore corduroys | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
and believed in peace, love and the Age of Aquarius. | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
No, it's not more from the Labour Conference. | :36:25. | :36:26. | |
I'm talking about the era of groovy, far-out Prog Rock, when mastodons | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
of music like Pink Floyd, Emerson Lake and Palmer, | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
and Jethro Tull stalked the earth - and sold buckets of records. | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
The scene was often disparaged by the critics - | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
and that went for the fancy cover art of the music, too. | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
However, designers like Roger Dean, responsible for the artwork | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
of classic Yes albums, have had the last laugh. | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
His pieces sell for up to 5 million dollars. | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
On the eve of an exhibition at the Trading Boundaries gallery | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
in Sussex, Stephen Smith pulled on his loon pants and | :36:56. | :36:57. | |
People will think of Roger's work first, I think, if you mentioned | :36:58. | :37:08. | |
progressive rock artwork, they would go to Roger | :37:09. | :37:10. | |
I thought nothing could be more exciting than being involved in | :37:11. | :37:23. | |
designing the future, and that was a huge motivation | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
What was amazing at that time is that the future | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
At this gallery, and cafe, and furniture shop in the | :37:33. | :37:43. | |
Ashdown Forest, we found the great draughtsman of the future, Roger | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
As a young artist, he was offered the chance to do artwork | :37:48. | :37:55. | |
for the rock leviathans Yes, or Led Zeppelin. | :37:56. | :37:56. | |
Who would you say your influences are? | :37:57. | :38:04. | |
I see a little bit of Salvador Dali maybe, here and there. | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
I wouldn't really acknowledge any particular artist as an influence. | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
I was from aged 12 to 14 in Hong Kong. | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
Chinese watercolour, traditional Chinese watercolour landscape, | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
Before there was video, rock music or at least prog rock was about art | :38:21. | :38:49. | |
and the enigmatic geniuses who made it hid behind opaque artwork and a | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
curtain of care. We were not the Beatles any more, we were all | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
unknown, the band name often was not on the album sleeve. I am not quite | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
sure how we got into that particular frame of mind were somehow the audio | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
and visual and lyrical message was greater than the people but you can | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
walk into a room of 200 people with Genesis after having done a concert | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
with them and the members of the band could walk in and be unknown | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
because people did not know what they looked like. It took me years | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
to work out who Pink Floyd where! Hard to imagine kids, but this was | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
also before e-mail and misunderstandings could arise | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
between band and sleeve artist. The band were permanently argumentative | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
and part of the reason why the band was called Fragile, was because they | :39:50. | :39:57. | |
were going to fall apart. It was confused by Ian Howell and somehow | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
it was the earth that was fragile. I have a bit of a bomb cell for you | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
because Bill said that you misunderstood Fragile. I did | :40:11. | :40:19. | |
actually. Yes, a whole bunch of their album titles were about the | :40:20. | :40:28. | |
fragility of the band. Like prog rock itself, Roger Dean has never | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
been a darling of the arts establishment that he would not have | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
it any other way. I am not really part of what they do. I do not do | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
what they do and one of the joys of working with musicians is that they | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
celebrate and enjoy musicianship, the craft of the musician and the | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
creativity of the musician and that is not really obvious in the art | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
world and I would feel lost without that. | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
But we learned this week that the Labour leader now | :41:04. | :41:09. | |
has his own colouring book dedicated to him by the faithful. | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
It's been on sale at the Momentum event just outside | :41:15. | :41:16. | |
So with apologies to Andrew Lloyd Webber, | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
we leave you with Jeremy and his amazing | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
Anyone Who Had A Heart I closed my eyes, drew back the curtain. To see | :41:22. | :41:44. | |
for certain, what I thought I knew. Far far away, someone was weeping. | :41:45. | :41:55. | |
But the world was sleeping. Any dream Will do. I wore my coat. With | :41:56. | :42:07. | |
golden lining. Bright colours shining. Wonderful and new. And in | :42:08. | :42:22. | |
the East. The John was breaking. But the world was | :42:23. | :42:25. |