28/10/2016 Newsnight


28/10/2016

Emily Maitlis with reports on a fresh FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails and a UK court decision on the status of Uber drivers. And could mess be a virtue?


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Clinton lands in Iowa - to news that could be a game changer.

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The FBI will investigate additional classified material

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In New Hampshire, Trump praises the move.

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The news this morning is this is bigger than Watergate. This is

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bigger than Watergate. In my opinion. This is bigger than

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Watergate. Can it shift the polls with 11

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days to go? Uber is forced to pay

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drivers the minimum wage. You know, they need to make sure

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that they can pay their wages. If everything was so free

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and flexible as they said it was, then everything would be totally

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anarchic, you know, and people would sometimes carry out work or go

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off and do whatever they wanted. We'll hear from a Uber driver who is

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not happy about today's court ruling.

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A word of encouragement for those who can't even

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It's not as if this US election campaign has been boring.

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But tonight, it was newly electrified.

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The FBI announced it would revisit its investigation

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into whether Hillary Clinton had classified information stored

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amongst her private emails, as new ones came to light.

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No one knows what the new evidence will throw up.

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But the timing could not have have been more critical,

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throwing an electoral lifeline to Donald Trump.

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He's already declared it bigger than Watergate.

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It plays into his narrative of her being corrupt.

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Democrats have dismissed it as empty noise, and are furious

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at what they call a politically irresponsible move.

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But many ballots have already been cast, and many minds

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have long been made up, so will it shift anyone's vote?

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# Ain't no Mountain high enough. Change is coming but the choice is

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yours. When there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit. Make jobs page.

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Thank you all! With 11 days to go until the election, it was beginning

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to look like the presidency was Clinton's Toulouse. Hillary Clinton

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was on a plane to Iowa with no Wi-Fi when news came through that the FBI

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was looking again at her e-mail server. She and her team, as shocked

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as the journalists with her, who learned of the News as they touch

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down. The accusations have followed her throughout the campaign. Hillary

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was ignoring the accusations. Tonight, a fresh investigation into

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new e-mails after the FBI seized electronic devices becoming to her

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aid, Huma Abedin, and her husband, Anthony Weiner. This is bigger than

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Watergate. This is bigger. At the Trump rally in New Hampshire, they

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were celebrating a moment that could come in this extraordinary election

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saga, turn things around yet again. The latest investigation plays into

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a narrative he has worked hard to create, that she is corrupt,

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crooked, dishonest. The markets tonight were acting like this was a

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game changer, the prospect of it from victory appearing to spook

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them. Early voting has opened in many states. 7.3 million Americans

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have already voted. For Hillary, the next 11 days might have been a march

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to victory on the 9th of November but it remains to be seen out how

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the spectre of impeachment while in office could affect our chances.

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Well, our diplomatic editor Mark Urban has been out

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and about meeting voters in the Southern states, and is now

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Talk us through the details of the e-mail investigation itself. From

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what we understand, the e-mails were between Anthony Weiner and Huma

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Abedin. She, as you know, the vice-chair of the Hillary Clinton

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campaign, a key aid during her time in the State Department also. As far

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as we understand from leaks coming from the FBI, they don't include

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actual e-mails from Hillary Clinton herself. But we can intuit on the

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fact that this investigation has been reopened after the FBI said in

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July that Hillary Clinton did not have a criminal case to answer,

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because there is something that may give them further insight into one

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of two things. The fact of having this Private server, which is an

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offence under federal law, the type of thing which a junior civil

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servant or member of the military subject to high security clearance

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might easily have lost their job or even gone to jail for. And then the

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actual content. Was classified content bleeding into immune

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occasions between Hillary Clinton and her aides? That is the area they

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are looking at now and obviously, it is potentially hugely awkward in its

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timing for Hillary Clinton and her campaign. I know you have been out

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in North Carolina and Virginia, swing state. What kind of impact, if

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any, do you think this will have on the boat? The pollsters here -- the

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vote. The posters here are quite sure, they say, that phenomena such

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as shy Donald Trump supporters have been taken into account in their

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complex calculations. A couple of nights ago in a remote part of North

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Carolina, we were at a trump event where several thousand people were

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queueing for hours to get in. It was quite striking how many people had

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come to see him and you wondered, can they really be so confident in

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their calculations? But let's assume they are broadly right. We had seen

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the race narrowing a little bit, a percentage point or two in the last

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day or two in the poll of polls exercises and that is before this

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latest news, of course. So I think it is reasonable to expect it might

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tighten a little further still but of course, the question, are so many

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minds already made up that this isn't going to have a big effect?

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Will Hillary Clinton still, going into polling day, have a commanding

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lead? Thank you for joining us. Some pretty confident pollsters here.

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I'm joined by the Republican Party pollster Frank Luntz,

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and from Washington, Mike Czin, a former spokesman

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Thank you for joining us. It sounds as if the FBI director had no choice

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but to release this information once new e-mails came out. Do you agree?

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I'm very confused as to why this came out now and how it came out. I

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think if the FBI is going to look into it, they have a responsibility

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to share with the American people, 11 days before the election, more

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than they have shared today. We know Hillary Clinton has been interviewed

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and has made herself available to the FBI for hours, congressional

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Republicans have spent god knows how much taxpayer money looking into

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this. Just a couple of months ago, they did not have a reason to move

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forward beyond that, the FBI. Why this is happening now and why there

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isn't more information is troubling. But I do think what your

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correspondent was saying earlier, people are voting. This information

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has been out there. Will it move votes at the end of the day? Maybe

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around the margins but I think as more and the faster the information

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gets out there, the best it is for Hillary Clinton to move past this.

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Let me try to understand, do you think there was political motivation

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behind this? Do you think the FBI gave way to trump's demands? Is

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their anger amongst Democrats tonight? I think there is more

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frustration and confusion as to what the FBI is doing is moving forward.

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I think they have a responsibility, 11 days before the election. It is

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totally unprecedented to tease this information. They have a

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responsibility to review this and share the information. So voters can

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make up their minds. But I think many of these questions have been

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asked and answered by Hillary Clinton. What is going on? I can't

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believe it, I thought it was a joke. I was at the Thames and several

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people came up to me and asked if I had heard it had happened and I

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thought it was a ruse. There's no way the FBI would do this with 11

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days to go, no way unless they thought there was a serious problem.

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They already had issues with what Clinton did but they said there was

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no reason to go further, no reason to prosecute her. For them to open

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it up now, my God, there is something there. With Wikileaks

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releasing information every day about the foundation and the e-mails

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and the communication between Clinton and her allies and her

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campaign people, it is painting a picture that she can't be happy

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with. From what Mark was saying, they don't even concern e-mails she

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wrote. How can it be that big if it is not from her? Because the

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question becomes, did she tell the truth in her testimony? Were things

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that were part of her server exposed? The issue here is not just

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about e-mails. It is whether or not her testimony will stand up. Mike?

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Frank makes it sound like e-mails that have been hacked by Russia to

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benefit Donald Trump is somehow an indication of guilt on Hillary

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Clinton's part, which I think is an absurd premise. Hillary Clinton said

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e-mails and so did her aides. We all do. The fact Russia has fact that

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and is trying to sway the election, that is the Watergate. Donald Trump

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said this is Watergate half a dozen times today but I think this is

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unprecedented, the way that the director had a press conference to

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address this issue this summer was equally unprecedented. You just said

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twice, Russia hacked, because it tried to undermine what happened.

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For the voter, they don't care how it was obtained. They want to know,

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are the candidates telling the truth? I agree with the people

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before me. This is not likely to have a major impact because it is so

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close to election day. However, the fact the FBI director, who the

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Democrats had said handled this investigation the way it should be

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done, the fact is, he's opening it up and that is remarkable. Mike,

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would you agree that whatever is in the e-mails, it leaves the door

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ajar, something people thought was done and dusted isn't? That is

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worrying when you are choosing a candidate for president. Listen, I

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think that e-mail is being reviewed by the FBI 11 days out with this

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announcement is very odd. I think it's important that the information

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gets out as quickly as possible, while they review it. But again,

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these are not e-mails from Hillary Clinton. We don't know what is in

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them. The FBI did not say they are opening up their investigation. They

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are going to be reviewing these documents to see if they are

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consistent with what the countless man-hours they have put into this

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investigation already. The other thing is, and I think Frank is

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right, this probably won't sway things because people are voting.

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There's very few relative numbers of people who are undecided. The

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greatest weakness is integrity. You could say, lots of people say the

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FBI is responding to pressure from Donald Trump. Donald Trump doesn't

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intimidate anyone. The fact is, the fact he says this could be bigger,

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this is bigger than Watergate actually hurts his case because then

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it politicises something that the FBI has explicitly not politicised.

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I want to emphasise to people watching tonight that the FBI is

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beyond politics. Everyone has said so on both sides. But why have they

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done this now? Why would you get involved right now? You never would,

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the FBI director hates partisan politics and he did not want to do

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this. Clearly, there is something there that is so significant that he

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has decided that he has no choice. That is why this is there. We don't

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know that. That's not what he said. That is putting words in his mouth.

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We don't know what it is, we only know there are e-mails and what that

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is, who they are with, what the content is, is unknown. Mike, you

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were a spokesman for president Obama. What would you be advising

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the Clinton campaign now and Hillary Clinton to do? There are two things,

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it is in the best interest of the FBI, the American people and the

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campaign for them to have a full airing of what this is. But I think

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the second part is, Donald Trump thinks this is his Hail Mary pass,

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that will help sway the election. You really need a proactive vision

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and something to campaign on, not just hope that there will be some

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kind of e-mail that will help sway the election which I don't think is

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going to happen. This has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything

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to do with the Secretary of State. I will tell you, the Clinton campaign,

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you can hear it in his voice, the Clinton campaign is really scared

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the night. I think we will revisit this. Thank you for joining us.

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The Uber website calls on its drivers to Drive When You Want -

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Which all sounds fine, until they don't.

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Today, a landmark ruling at the Employment Tribunal told

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The taxi company will now have to pay drivers a minium

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wage and holiday leave - to treat them, in other words,

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as employees, not freelancers who work for a brand.

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For the two drivers who brought the case, it's a clear victory.

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But the impact of the ruling is huge, sending a warning

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to all disruptive technology firms that business cannot come

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But will this also have unintended consequences,

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marking the moment the radical business model stopped being quite

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You pick what to play, even whether to play,

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For many workers, though, self employment is nowhere near as clear

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Uber insists that its drivers are self-employed but in a

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potentially far-reaching judgment, an employment tribunal

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Solicitors for two Uber drivers who brought the test case

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I think it's a massive deal actually because you know this is the way

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We're seeing that companies in the so-called gig economy are often

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mislabelling, we say, their workers as self-employed.

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And actually, we're saying they are not

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self-employed, they are workers, so other companies that

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are structuring their business in this way will now

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need to look at those arrangements because they are at risk of a

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Working individuals fit into three broad categories.

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The self-employed, which Uber insisted

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included its drivers, do not enjoy any significant employment rights.

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However, the tribunal said they were in fact workers.

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That means they have some rights, like being paid

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the national minimum wage, holiday pay, and pension contributions,

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These have extra rights on top, like maternity and paternity pay,

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statutory notice for dismissal, redundancy payments and protection

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The employment tribunal came up with 13

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characteristics of the way Uber drivers work that means, it said,

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For a start, Uber drivers do not know

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who it is that they will be picking up or indeed

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where they want to go when

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they accept a job on the app platform.

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And, if, finding out those things, they decide they no longer

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want the work and they cancel, well Uber can log them off and prevent

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There are plenty of other companies who

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will be looking at this judgment carefully.

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Next month, Maggie Dewhurst is taking the courier

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company CitySprint to a similar tribunal.

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I don't think anyone really believe that they themselves

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are running a business in the true sense of the word, where you can

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expand, you can get other people to

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I work for CitySprint, I do the work that CitySprint tell

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Uber drivers work for Uber, they carry out the

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If everything was so free and flexible

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as they said it was, then everything

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People would sometimes carry out work or go

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off and do whatever they wanted but

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According to the Resolution Foundation there are

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now 4.8 million self-employed people in the UK.

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That's one in every seven working people.

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However their earnings have fallen an average of ?60 a week over

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I think it's partly a story brought to the fore by these

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tech platforms that have changed the way

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in which lots of businesses are

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organising their workforces, but I think in terms

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ramifications go far beyond workers in the so-called gig economy.

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Many self-employed workers are construction workers, in education,

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in consultancy, driving a white van, and for all these types of workers,

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how their living standards and their rights are

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secured, is brought into

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And that's why it's really welcome that

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the government has already said it is looking at atypical forms of

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employment and how the world of work is changing.

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Much of these new ways of working have been driven by

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technology, and ultimately technology may provide

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the solution, though not necessarily in a way we like.

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Robots replacing couriers, and Uber itself

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There will be no issue about whether a robot or a computer is

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Joining me now, Labour MP and shadow minister Chi Onwurah,

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from Newcastle, and Steven Rowe, who was driving for Uber

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Thank you for joining us. , Chi. Steven, are you pleased with this

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development? Absolutely not. I don't understand what it is about. Because

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I am self-employed I get benefits, I can work one I want, start one I

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want, stop and I want, I have total flexibility. It never occurred to me

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over the last four years, it is four years that I've been using the Uber

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app, that I would get holiday pay sickbay. Is the job where your money

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comes from? Yes, although I working on other projects which are

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developing, the great thing about Uber is that you can work on your

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own projects which might not bring in income straightaway... You

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exceptional, what would you say to the people who say, this is

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terrible, I should be getting a proper wage, I'm not making as much

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money as I could? We are not employed by Uber. We are not paid a

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wage. It's always been that way. Taxi drivers are self-employed, they

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have been since time a memorial. They all using the Halo app. Will

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that mean that they are all employed by Halo? Chi Onwurah, how do you

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respond? It is good for Uber and it is good for Steven. Steven, I am

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pleased that you feel you are in control of your work and I am sure

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that is good feel but there are 40,000 Uber Uber drivers and what

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this ruling says is that they don't have the kind of control of how they

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get their jobs, what they are paid, and whether they can refuse a job.

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That constitutes self-employment. We have to take our hats off to the GM

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Beaver showing what a modern union does which is stand up for the

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rights of working people -- the GMB, for showing, and how they are

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transformed in the new digital environment. Steven, would it make

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things harder for you? Absolutely, it's regressive. The world is

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changing. People have more than one job and employment law should

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reflect that. Chi Onwurah, if you are stifling entrepreneurship and

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making these disruptive technologies feel they should behave like John

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Lewis, a Conservative shop, you are stopping people from coming forward

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with new projects? Liverpool I am not sure John Lewis is conservative,

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it is more a corroborative. This is good Uber. I am a tech evangelist, I

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worked in telecoms three years before coming into Parliament and it

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can make hugely progressive difference to all our lives. But the

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kind of power and control, this judgment is important in the detail,

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it showed that Uber drivers got around to drivers and they had jobs,

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how quickly they responded, effective performance management. If

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you have that kind of control others and body then you have

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responsibilities to them. And I think too often people who implement

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this great new technology which can change lives for the better, they

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forget there are still responsibilities in the real world

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to the people who are delivering bad. You are working for a big

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corporate giant. No, I'm working for myself. I can choose whether to

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accept a job, choose one I want to work. I'm not working for a

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corporate giant. In my view, that big corporate giant is working for

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me. They are getting the work, collecting the money, they take a

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percentage of it. What will happen because of this ruling? I'm really

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worried because I can't see how Uber can carry on working in the way

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setup. Can they take on everyone as a salary? That will mean

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redundancies, lay-offs. If you can call it bad. Uber will have to adapt

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its business model to reflect the fact that the Labour they are using,

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the people, and Steven, if he rejects a job that's part of his

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performance management by Uber and they have the ability to deactivate

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him in 20 seconds. You could be deactivated. I don't know why people

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would turn down jobs because you are there to earn money. I think my

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acceptance rate was about 96%. Fantastic for Steven but other

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people might have commitments, they might have care responsibilities,

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and bonuses. The important thing here is that Uber needs to recognise

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that the Labour which helps deliver its $62 billion worth of market

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value, that Labour has rights and it will be better, Uber will be at off

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as a company if it respects and values the people that work for it

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and this judgment should help it do that. Chi Onwurah, Steven Rowe,

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thank you both very much. "A tidy desk", the comedy

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Christmas mug states, The joke only works, I suppose,

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if the mug itself is also covered in mildew and belongs

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to the perennially untidy. But what if mess were

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actuallly good for the mind? What if all our attempts

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at orderliness actually made us less Sighs of relief the world over

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from the chronically messy. Here's Tim Harford,

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who's been writing about Is the road to success

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in life a neat, tidy one? Or is a rich, happy

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life inherently messy? If you believe the glossy

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magazines, this... We feel proud when we have a tidy

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desk, and anxious when the But we all know that

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when things get busy, Messiness isn't just part of life,

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it can actually enhance our lives. We'll come back to my

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messy desk later. First, let me show you what mess can

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do for the true greats. In 1975, the jazz musician

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Keith Jarrett was preparing one of his improvised

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piano concerts in the city of An old rehearsal piano had been

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delivered to the stage, out of tune, sticky keys, harsh, tinny upper

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notes and too small for the concert But Jarrett felt he

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had to try, and so, in front of a packed

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auditorium, he sat down All the adjustments that Jarrett had

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to make to cope with the unplayable piano made the music better, not

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worse. Against his gloomy expectations,

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Jarrett produced one of the greatest jazz

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performances in history. Jarrett was forced into that

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situation, but other artists have decided to actively

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embrace disruption. Brian Eno has worked with everyone

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from Coldplay to David Bowie. In musical circles, he is famous

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for a deck of cards he calls If you're stuck, pull

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out a card and let the I don't generally pick

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more than one at a time, so the point is to, sort

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of, be faced with the dilemma of trying to deal with the card,

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whatever it happens to say. All these do is sort

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of structure your And they say, "Put some

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attention here and People are at their most

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alert when they are So alertness is where

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everything good comes from, It's when you suddenly

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think, "Wow, now that's And you used these cards

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on David Bowie's album, We used to play a game sometimes

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where we would start something new, either

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I would start something or he would, and then

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we would both pull a card His was, "Destroy nothing

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and continue with immaculate And mine was, "Take away

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the most important thing". So whatever started to become

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centre of the piece, I would try to take it out!

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the piece was, he would try to keep endowing it with more of that

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that was a piece called Moss Garden.

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Another way to tap into your creative side is to improvise.

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Neuroscientists can peer inside the brains

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of improvising musicians and rappers using an FMRI scanner.

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They see areas of the prefrontal cortex

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Other areas that allow self-expression become active.

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The improvising brain allows the mess

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of unfiltered, risky ideas to flow out.

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Mess can also be wielded as a weapon.

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Some of the most skilled competitors deliberately create

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They figure that they can improvise a response

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to the chaos faster than their opponents.

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Like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you.

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They are bringing drugs, they are bringing crime.

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Total and complete shutdown of Muslims

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Donald Trump was a master of mess during

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He dominated the news agenda with his

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outlandish statements, leaving his opponents

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We're talking about a constant flow of new

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To deal with it, some of us are pilers and

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The filers try to tidy away e-mails and documents

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before they've really had a chance to understand them.

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We happy-go-lucky pilers, in contrast,

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allow our messy desks to organise themselves.

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And every once in a while, you can just take that useless lower

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layer and put it in the only filing cabinet

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So what better way to ease into your weekend than with a stunning view

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of dawn on the Dorset coast, captured by photographer

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The Jurassic Coast is known for many things, but not

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Hello, look at the weekend weather for the UK and Europe if you are

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travelling. Saturday for the UK. A foggy

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Emily Maitlis with reports on a fresh FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails and a UK court decision that rules Uber drivers have the right to be classed as workers rather than self-employed. Plus a look at whether mess could be a virtue.


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