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Last week, on this programme we implied that Hillary Clinton | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
The polls may have Donald Trump behind but in this area of rural | :00:07. | :00:21. | |
North Carolina, excitement about this event and being here leads them | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
to be suspicious of those polls and suspicious of Hillary Clinton. | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
They've got the money to do whatever it takes. | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
If she wins it's probably going to be ugly. | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
We'll ask a veteran of three administrations if America is now | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
My mum supported me when I did a PowerPoint presentation | :00:43. | :00:52. | |
to my class about transitioning, that I wasn't | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
going to go to school wearing boy's clothes any more. | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
Is it helpful to teach children about what it is | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
It's an issue that generates a lot of tabloid heat. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
From Malcolm in the Middle to Walter White to Heisenberg | :01:04. | :01:17. | |
to Donald Trump, we're Breaking Bad with Brian Cranston. | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
I'm fascinated by Trump because he is the classic tragic | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
He also doesn't present any solutions. | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
"It's gonna be great, great, great, great, | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
huge, problem, problem, problem, great, great, | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
great" and you go, "He's saying nothing!". | :01:37. | :01:44. | |
In an hour and a half, it'll be November and officially, | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
there can be no more October Surprises in this | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
But one is enough and that was lobbed into the campaign | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
on Friday; since then, the contest has seemed more open | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
So where do the chances of the two candidates stand now? | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
When we looked at this last Wednesday, we quoted you one | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
Their model put an 85% chance on Hillary winning. | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
Today, that same outfit has Hillary's chance down | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
Still comfortably the favourite, but have the polls fully | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
Our diplomatic editor Mark Urban is in Washington. | :02:25. | :02:31. | |
What's your sense about where this election stands now and where the | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
mood is of everybody in each of the two camps? The e-mails story did | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
produce a partisan firestorm over the weekend. The Clinton campaign | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
demanding that the FBI get this stuff out there. There are 680,000 | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
e-mails apparently on this computer owned by Anthony Wiener. The FBI can | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
do some of the things that you and I might do, though it is from, who it | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
is too, some keyword searches but even if they get it down to some | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
smaller surges, delicate judgments about whether this is relevant to | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
the cases previously looked at with Hillary Clinton and whether she was | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
putting secrets in, we can't really expect any details on that before | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
the election. As for the effect on the election polls, the one you | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
mentioned, 539, the poll of polls, showing a fall from 5.7%, to 4.7% | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
over the last few days, continuing a trend since the last presidential | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
debate when she was way out in front with most of the poll of poll | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
exercises showing a narrowing of the lead but still a lead of even a few | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
percentage points in the American system can be considered pretty | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
commanding. It has been an astonishingly angry election. This | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
e-mails and isn't going to be resolved in the next few days. How | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
does this leave the post-election period? How does it all go for | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
either of the leading candidates, having to put Humpty Dumpty back | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
together again having smashed the country apart, so to speak? One | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
thing that people in the UK may forget is that this is not simply | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
between Trump and Clinton. In every state there are other people on the | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
ballot and critically, the Senate and the house of representatives. In | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
the American system you have got to get along with them otherwise you | :04:32. | :04:33. | |
will produce nothing. So often in the second term of President Obama | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
he couldn't achieve anything. Many people feel that these e-mail | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
revelations will be more helpful to the Republicans in the house and | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
Senate reasons for various reasons. That means that if Hillary Clinton | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
wins, she's likely still to a very difficult partisan gridlock, if you | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
like come on the Hill and even if you flip it around and Donald Trump | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
wins, he could face a very difficult situation trying to get anything in | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
acted. That's caused many people to wonder, well, how can any winner in | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
this so-called election put together a programme for government after | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
such an acrimonious campaign. We went in search of that question, | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
starting in North Carolina. When Trump flew to Kinston, | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
North Carolina big crowds thronged. The message, as in so many of his | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
stops, bold, uncompromising and highly personal, | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
in taunting his opponent, attacking the current president | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
and promising to nullify his legacy. Can we live another four | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
years with another Obama? But while Trump's outspoken rhetoric | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
has made the weather on many a quiet news day, it hasn't turned the polls | :05:49. | :06:01. | |
around, even after the latest The polls may have Donald Trump many | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
points behind but in this area of rural North Carolina, | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
thousands of people have turned And their excitement about this | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
event and being here leads them to be suspicious of those polls, | :06:15. | :06:27. | |
suspicious of Hillary Clinton, especially when their candidate | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
is saying the whole In some places in North Carolina, | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
some of the voting machines are already changing's people's | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
ballots, like if they vote Republican it changes | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
it to a Democrat. So I guess you've got to be | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
vigilant and pay attention She's a criminal and she'll | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
do whatever it takes. They've got the money to do | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
whatever it takes. It's a shame that we've come | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
to this, but if she wins it's probably | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
going to be ugly. And what is your | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
attitude to Hillary? The seeds of America's | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
division were sown early. This is Monticello, home | :07:01. | :07:11. | |
of Thomas Jefferson. He designed it as he designed the US | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
Constitution, striving The separation of powers | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
between Congress and President required them to cooperate, | :07:22. | :07:29. | |
yet 22 years after declaring independence, Jefferson | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
wrote from the Capitol, "Politics and party hatred destroy | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
the happiness of every being here." If getting into heaven required | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
belonging to a political party, then, Jefferson wrote, | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
"I will gladly not go." America's gun owners look back | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
to the revolution and the oft cited Now, facing the prospect | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
of a Hillary Clinton victory, Paul Valone and Don Pomeroy | :07:56. | :08:04. | |
of the advocacy group Grass Roots North Carolina | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
are in uncompromising mood. For our political action committee | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
to raise money to elect or defeat candidates, | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
we've been running a raffle, raffling off an AR15, | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
1000 rounds of ammunition The fact is that Hillary Clinton, | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
if elected, will be the salesperson Here they are proud to have | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
frustrated President Obama's attempts at gun control | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
during his eight years in office and campaign | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
actively against Hillary, seeing her as a threat to much more | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
than their firearms. We are becoming involved | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
in particular in this election because the | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
Supreme Court is at stake. If Hillary Clinton makes | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
an appointment, a 5-4 conservative court will become four-five | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
and frankly, all bets are off. In many states, voting | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
has already started. Arriving at his polling | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
station, Alex Bodyfort runs The ballot paper in his state has | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
more than two dozen different votes on it including for the Senate and | :09:04. | :09:14. | |
House of Representatives members. And given the Republican commitment | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
to repealing many of those measures President Obama | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
actually got through, he was clear which way | :09:26. | :09:26. | |
he wanted to vote. Whatever progress we made | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
from the previous regime seems fitting left behind as opposed | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
to being built upon, so it's like hitting a reset | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
button every election. It doesn't make a whole | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
bunch of science. You would think, whatever positive | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
stuff we had going on, we could use some of that and build | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
on it as opposed to blowing the whole thing | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
up and starting over. But having fights between | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
a president and Congress come and gone as regularly as the seasons | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
or the harvests in this country. But blocked by partisan politics, | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
the last Congress passed one third as many laws as one | :10:02. | :10:19. | |
mocked in the late 1940s Many people think this is something | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
that's only developed in the last few years but actually this has been | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
developing very steadily and relentlessly, beginning in | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
the early 1980s in the United States and getting worse, | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
every election cycle. To a point now where it's extremely | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
visible to everybody. The ability of Congress to legislate | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
on the issues the public identifies as the major issues | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
of the day has dramatically diminished in this period | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
of extreme partisan polarisation. And the polarisation | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
or fragmentation of American politics is not just driven | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
by the right. This contest has seen the emergence | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
of a left-wing insurgency within the Democratic party | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
and Senator Liz Warren is one of its standardbearers | :11:04. | :11:10. | |
with a message that plays on gender I've got news for Donald Trump | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
and Richard Perle. And that is, nasty women | :11:13. | :11:20. | |
vote in North Carolina. Are you ready to get | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
these men out of our And for this audience, | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
at a women's college in North Carolina there was plenty | :11:30. | :11:43. | |
of support for her In the wake of the economic crises, | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
political machines have kept rumbling onwards, with messages | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
targeting their constituencies. On one side of the tracks, | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
gun owners, blue-collar On the other, women, | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
ethnic and gay voters. And on each side, the electoral | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
battle is now painted as one for a way of life | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
and hard-earned rights. This is Stanton, Virginia, | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
where Woodrow Wilson was born. He was the only professional | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
political scientist to have Frustrated by the constitution, | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
Wilson wrote he would prefer England's parliamentary system | :12:28. | :12:39. | |
instead of "this miserable Wilson fought many battles | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
with Congress, so what would he make of today's | :12:42. | :12:48. | |
polarisation and gridlock? I believe it is objectively worse | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
today. I don't see it getting any better | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
any time soon. We do not have a unifying person | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
who is coming up as president, regardless of who is the president | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
and who is elected on November 9th. Polls consistently show | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
that their likeability rating I think we are going to see a lot | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
more of that gridlock happening, unfortunately | :13:14. | :13:21. | |
in the next four years. Extreme partisanship is not | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
a new thing, Woodrow Wilson would recognise it all too well, | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
but what has happened recently is that it has reached a point | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
where a president has very little chance of enacting the platform | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
that they were elected upon. And if that's the case, | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
it poses basic questions Where will the strain of polarised | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
messages and undeliverable It's already produced incitement | :13:45. | :13:51. | |
and in isolated cases, violence. In Orange County North Carolina, | :13:52. | :14:00. | |
the local Republican party This is not I think a party thing, | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
this is political terrorism. Nearby, a wall was daubed, | :14:05. | :14:19. | |
"Nazi Republicans Condemned by Democrats, | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
some of whom even offered money to rebuild the office, | :14:22. | :14:29. | |
this was an unusual incident, but not, perhaps, an unexpected | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
one, given the heated In the end, whoever wins | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
the presidency will find themselves After the Obama years of gridlock | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
and strife on the Hill, there is every sign that things | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
could be about to get even worse. In Washington is Stuart Gerson, | :14:50. | :15:00. | |
a lawyer who was an advisor to both Bush administrations and served | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
as Acting Attorney General Good evening. You, I think, have | :15:04. | :15:21. | |
been a critic of what the FBI did by dropping this letter into the | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
campaign. What do you think he did wrong? He did wrong for two reasons | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
and he did it twice. This is not about favouring one candidate over | :15:34. | :15:43. | |
the other. The FBI investigating it is not a determiner of whether a | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
prosecution should take place. But what he did in assigning to himself | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
a super oversight role was to buy late two tenets of long-standing and | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
merit. The first is not to comment on pending investigations. They tend | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
to be ambiguous and involve the rights of the subjects of the | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
investigations, things change very much so, and the integrity of the | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
process is benefited by keeping your mouth shut unless and until you have | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
a case. That is what the prosecutor ought to be doing. The second tenet | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
is making statements or disclosures that affect the political process. | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
That is not what a prosecutor ought to be doing. There are precedents to | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
show how deleterious this can be and this has not been helpful in this | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
case were all it has done is inject confusion into the campaign. Sorry | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
to interrupts, but you must be able to see that if something emerged | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
after the election, that the FBI had seemed there was a stash of e-mails | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
they were going to look at, if it emerges after the election that that | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
was going to happen and he had not mention it, there would have been | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
such an uprising particularly at a time when there is so much talk of | :17:02. | :17:10. | |
conspiracy and anger. If you want to have government that is durable, it | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
ought to do the right thing all the time, irrespective of the | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
consequences you describe. The Department of Justice act a lot | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
better when it acts consistently and ethically. The fact of the matter is | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
these disclosures have been made, they are ambiguous, the matter will | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
not be resolved before the election and it is not moving a lot of votes | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
and somebody will have to deal with it, perhaps President Clinton after | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
the election. It does not clear a lot and the Department should have | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
acted in a better way. I am sure you would agree that being a public | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
official and trying to do the right thing and trying to be neutral at a | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
time when there is such as the bra and divided America is very hard. | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
Half the country who are new to say, you are on the other side, what are | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
you up to? It must be harder than in your day. I do not agree with you. I | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
was the Attorney General during the first World Trade Center bombing and | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
there was a great deal of division and controversy about that. That is | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
always there. Do not underrate gridlock. It is often at times very | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
helpful and Spurs better discussion and leads to a passage of only those | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
things that are necessary. We are highly regulated in the United | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
States, a lot of what we do is not intelligent. We should strip down | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
government and get it more towards its essentials. If the Clinton | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
Administration has a more bipartisan view from the beginning, rather than | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
a confrontational one, there is no reason why it should not. | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
Last week, we reported on new problems at the inquiry | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
of sexual assault by the inquiry's most senior lawyer, | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
which some believe the inquiry has not dealt with properly. | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
Jake Morris has been following this inquiry for us and | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
News of another departure. When I've have left this enquiry, but news of | :19:13. | :19:25. | |
another one today. I have learnt today one of the key lawyers in the | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
enquiry, a barrister called Toby Fisher, because he has concerns over | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
the progress and direction of the enquiry. He took his decision about | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
six weeks ago in mid August, long before anything we broadcast last | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
week, after Lowell Goddard had resigned. He said he would be | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
finishing his work very shortly. He is quite a key figure in the | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
enquiry, he is one of the three core councils and more recently he has | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
been working on two of the most high-profile investigations that the | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
enquiry has undertaken, those into the late Lord Jana and into what is | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
just called Westminster, which is quite interesting. I put this to the | :20:15. | :20:22. | |
enquiry tonight and they told me he remains instructed and that is a | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
technical truth in that he cannot talk about any work he has done. | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
There are a large number of June solicitors and counsels that come | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
and go, but in this case it is clear there are deep concerns about the | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
progress and the direction of the enquiry and I do not think he is the | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
only person who thinks that. Allegations of sexual assault that | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
have not been followed up correctly, what follow-ups either to that | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
revelation? Today the Labour MP Leeza Nandi raised the issue in the | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
House of Commons and this is what the Home Secretary Amber Rudd had to | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
It is essential for the authenticity of this enquiry that it is held | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
as independent, it is not run by the Home Office as an essential | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
part of its integrity, and I would urge her to stop | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
knocking the inquiry and get behind it. | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
We have also learned that matrix Chambers has launched an | :21:22. | :21:31. | |
investigation into what has been claimed and my understanding is that | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
this investigation will be carried out by an external figure. | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
Listen carefully to the the Work and Pensions secretary, | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
Damian Green, and you might discern a different tone when it comes | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
to welfare, to the one we've been familiar with. | :21:44. | :21:45. | |
Today, there was a green paper on disability benefits that seemed | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
to be talking more about support to help the disabled into work, | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
And the government is reviewing the deeply unpopular work | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
So does this mark a significant change of direction? | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
A retreat from an era of money-saving reforms | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
Nick Watt has been trying to find out. | :22:02. | :22:11. | |
Welfare is a perennial tricky area for any government | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
If you put in charge a one nation Tory, the wets to Margaret Thatcher, | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
Of course the health and welfare systems must support those that | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
It should offer the opportunity of work for all those who can | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
provide help for those who could and care | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
Damian Green hopes to usher in a new era after David Cameron's | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
troubled legacy but he has a major headache. | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
Philip Hammond will make clear in his Autumn Statement | :22:43. | :22:44. | |
later this month that money is | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
and government is locked inbto an expensive commitment | :22:50. | :23:03. | |
on the biggest area of welfare spending. | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
It will stand by its manifesto pledge | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
to ensure that pensions rise by at least 2.5% | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
2.5% or by the average of | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
earnings or prices, if they are higher. | :23:14. | :23:15. | |
I am absolutely a champion for pensioners. | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
Pensioners in society have to be protected and we | :23:19. | :23:20. | |
have to have a decent state pension and level of support. | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
However in the broader societal scheme of things, | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
to come up with some made up number of 2.5% which has no relationship | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
whatsoever to anything that may be going on in the economy at the time, | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
Politically it is something you can point to, but are we making policy | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
for the politicians or are we making policy for the people of this | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
Number ten's determination to uphold the pensions triple lock | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
during the lifetime of this parliament means there is little | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
room for manoeuvre on welfare spending. | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
Newsnight understands there is some sympathy at senior | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
levels in Whitehall for one key Tory backbench demands, that is to ensure | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
that George Osborne's reversal of tax credit cuts applies to the | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
But tight public finances means that isn't on | :24:04. | :24:11. | |
the cards at the moment, guaranteeing a bumpy ride in | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
Heidi Allen has crafted a modest proposal | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
to soften the impact of Universal Credit | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
I would like to focus on those most severely | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
affected, single parents, which would cost ?500 billion. | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
A lot of money but if we can keep those | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
people in work it keeps the economy turning, which is vital. | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
She is supportive of the main principle of | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
Universal Credit, to increase incentives to work. | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
The reforms have been repeatedly delayed but | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
ministers believe they are finally on track for a full roll-out by | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
Bedtime reading at senior levels of Whitehall is a pamphlet by | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
Universal Credit, From Disaster To Recovery. | :24:56. | :25:04. | |
We have seen too often when governments put systems in too | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
quickly, people shouldn't go through the sausage machine, | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
they should be treated as individuals and if they | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
take longer to get it right, that's fine by me. | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
The former pensions minister is less convinced. | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
We are slowly getting there, we are told, but | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
unfortunately I don't think anybody can totally and confidently predict | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
when exactly this will all be rolled out, how | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
it will be rolled out, and | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
what the cost implications truly are. | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
The government knows that | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
welfare can quickly become a highly toxic issue, | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
not least when money is | :25:49. | :25:49. | |
If a magic wand could be waived in Whitehall, assuming an | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
extra 2 billion could be found down the back | :25:55. | :25:56. | |
of the sofa, benefits would | :25:57. | :25:57. | |
be cut off at a slower rate as low paid workers increased their hours. | :25:58. | :26:06. | |
It slightly has the air of a concocted media row, | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
the sort of one where a newspaper extracts an angry remark | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
from a shocked parent and an indignant backbench | :26:12. | :26:13. | |
But in this case, if it is blown up out of proportion, it at least | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
The row concerns a transgender themed BBC video aimed | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
It's a video diary of an eleven-year-old called | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
To my old friends, I'm Amy, who used to be Ben. | :26:27. | :26:36. | |
My worry is that one of the new kids finds out that I am transgender, | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
makes a big deal of it, tells everybody and freaks | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
All I want to do at my new school is fit in, | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
like all the other new girls, not to be picked on or bullied out | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
Hmm, let me think for a minute. | :26:50. | :27:00. | |
The question is simple: How helpful is it to introduce very young people | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
Some worry that it will simply confuse, planting ideas | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
into children who may be different but not trans. | :27:13. | :27:14. | |
Let's talk about this to Stephanie Davis-Arai | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
from Transgender Trend, which is a group of parents | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
who are concerned about the current trend to diagnose "gender | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
non-conforming" children as transgender and Susie Green | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
from Mermaids, which is charity that campaigns for the recognition | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
Tell us about your daughter's experience. At what age did she | :27:30. | :27:44. | |
broached the subject? I noticed she did not fit in with what I expected | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
from a typical little boy, from when she was 18 months to about three | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
years, but to be honest I thought I had a very sensitive little boy who | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
would grow up to be gay. It was when she was four and we were watching TV | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
one day and I don't know where it came from, but she said, money and | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
need to tell you something. She said, God has made a mistake and I | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
should have been a girl. That young? Four. Did she ever waver after that? | :28:18. | :28:26. | |
No, she was bullied incessantly and she was told by me constantly from | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
when she came out with that first statement to when she reiterated it | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
time and time again that it was fine for boys to like girl things and she | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
did not have to be a girl and her response to that was, that is not | :28:41. | :28:47. | |
it. You object to the idea that a young person would be suggested into | :28:48. | :28:55. | |
taking up an idea? I do not see that gender is that fragile that you can | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
make a child reform by presenting them with that possibility that it | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
is a suggestion. And she will not reform now? Definitely not, no. Why | :29:05. | :29:14. | |
would you not just accept a child? I do not want to comment on | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
individuals, but I want to talk about what we are teaching children | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
and children at the age of four who have no idea what we mean about | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
changing gender. It is not possible to change from male to female, that | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
is a biological impossibility. You cannot change your reproductive | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
system, but you can express yourself. Gender means a socially | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
constructive idea of what boys should be doing and how they should | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
behave and dress. That is fluid and we should encourage boys to wear | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
dresses and girls can like gay men. What is your point? What we are | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
teaching children, and the BBC film shows that clearly, is you can | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
change from boy to girl. We are calling it gender and we are not | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
being honest with the children. When we give children information, we | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
need to make sure that information is accurate. | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
Are you rejecting the idea of transgender in saying that? No, we | :30:23. | :30:30. | |
need great caution in how we apply this theory to children. In the past | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
we called it transsexual, which is I think a more honest word. If we are | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
calling children transgender, the treatment pathway is the same as | :30:41. | :30:47. | |
transsexual. It these two children being sterilised and on medication | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
for life in order to be there or think Dick selves. Is that correct? | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
-- in order to be their authentic selves. Lie, people are very | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
carefully assessed before any medical intervention is offered -- | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
no, people are very carefully assessed. The fact is, we know that, | :31:11. | :31:18. | |
version therapy, the therapy to try and teach young people to be happy | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
and to accept their birth gender we know does not work. There must be | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
some empirical answer to the question, how many people start down | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
the path that your daughter did and then say it was the wrong thing for | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
them to do? You had experience in this area, is it a large number? I | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
would say, we have over 800 parents in the group and about 200 people. | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
And? With the parents who have children who have gender dysphoria, | :31:51. | :31:58. | |
not those who are cross playing, that is something different... How | :31:59. | :32:07. | |
many regret it? I would say six. The figure from medical studies is | :32:08. | :32:18. | |
around 80%. That is an old study. That is including all of the studies | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
and some of those include gender nonconforming children but we don't | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
know which children will desist and which will persist, even the most | :32:26. | :32:33. | |
extreme cases. Excuse me, we know that with very careful treatment | :32:34. | :32:42. | |
schedules, we are careful in assessing and careful blocking | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
medication to pause puberty and that is reversible. The young people who | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
go through it and they are better socially functioning, less | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
depression and anxiety and we know that they have far better outcomes | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
in adult life. We have no long-term research. The Dutch do. No | :32:58. | :33:04. | |
long-term. People in their 20s and 30s. These are factual questions | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
that should be answered. It is not evidence -based treatment for | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
children. We must leave it there. Breaking Bad's creator | :33:16. | :33:17. | |
Vince Gilligan said he always planned to transform his main | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
character Walter White On screen it was the actor | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
Bryan Cranston who we watched evolve from a mild mannered chemistry | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
teacher to a murderer and drug lord. The role won him a number | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
of awards in the process. Now, I suspect most of us had never | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
heard of Mr Cranston before Breaking Bad, | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
but he had had quite a number of roles, in Saving Private Ryan | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
and Seinfeld among others. And now, he's published his memoir, | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
A Life in Parts. It's story time with Bryan Cranston, | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
an acting masterclass. "She was choking, I instinctively | :33:46. | :33:54. | |
reached to turn her over, And then somehow as she was fading, | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
she wasn't herself any more. I wasn't looking at Jane | :33:58. | :34:08. | |
or Jesse's girlfriend, I was looking at Taylor, | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
my daughter, my real daughter. I wasn't Walter White any more, | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
I was Bryan Cranston Family crops up a lot in his book, | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
not just his daughter, but his parents who we learnt badly | :34:23. | :34:30. | |
let down the young Bryan I have had a very | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
challenging childhood. There was abandonment, | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
there was alcoholism, so there was resentment and anger | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
and my job affords me the avenue to be able to channel those | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
feelings into my work. And the jealousy and resentment, | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
anger and hatred and any of those aspects that you've ever felt | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
in your life need to be able So that's how he pulled off one | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
of the greatest roles in TV history. His mother was the alcoholic, | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
his father the abandoner when Cranston was 11 and much later, | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
after his dad died, In his own shaky handwriting | :35:12. | :35:13. | |
he said, "The best part of my life or best time of my life | :35:14. | :35:30. | |
was when my children forgave me I can't go home smelling | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
like a meth lab. Those, wow, you are | :35:34. | :35:47. | |
keeping those on, right? They have been integral | :35:48. | :35:55. | |
to your career in a sense. The tightie whities to me | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
represented a maturity that When I met with Vince he told me | :36:03. | :36:14. | |
he wanted to turn the dial on him, so the character we met | :36:15. | :36:30. | |
in the beginning, that Walter White, would cease to exist | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
by the end of the series. He would be a completely | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
different person. I was fascinated by that | :36:37. | :36:37. | |
and I wanted in desperately. In the history of television that | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
construct had never been done. Here's this character, | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
I get it, and once you sympathise with him and you follow him | :36:47. | :36:48. | |
and you root for him, then we are going to turn the dial | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
and have him completely change and you are coming along with us | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
because they planted Before Walter White, | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
his most significant father in Malcolm In The Middle, | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
often humming or whistling a tune. I got a call from the music | :37:05. | :37:11. | |
coordinator from the network and they said while you are | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
whistling and humming on the show, it is your own orchestration, | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
you are not whistling Every time I got a cheque I would | :37:18. | :37:19. | |
bring it into my crew and say, "Look, I've got more money," | :37:20. | :37:32. | |
and so I'd have a party. The crew started thinking, | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
"This is great, every time he gets So they would come up with ideas, | :37:36. | :37:37. | |
as he is fixing the garbage disposal, it seems like he could be | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
whistling and I would go, "Hey, And there is two seconds - | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
they'd just bought themselves With Breaking Bad Emmys under his | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
belt the offers have flooded in. Often historical characters, | :37:54. | :38:02. | |
the likes of Dalton Trumbo, a screenwriter blacklisted under | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
McCarthy for being a Communist. Obviously that's a time | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
when America was so polarised. Do you think you are | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
as divided now politically? I think there are periods in time | :38:19. | :38:20. | |
when people feel disenfranchised I think the presence of Donald Trump | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
is actually in the long run a good thing because it could be | :38:25. | :38:33. | |
a wake-up call to what could Yes, I'm fascinated by Trump | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
because he is a classic, What's so amazing about | :38:37. | :38:43. | |
Donald Trump is that he is He talks about issues and problems | :38:44. | :38:58. | |
and if you listen to that, you would think that everything | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
He also doesn't present any solutions. | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
"I'm just going to make it great, it'll be great again, I can | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
We're going to make great deals, it is going to be fantastic, | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
everything is going to be huge, it's going to be great. | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
Problem, problem, problem, great, great, great." | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
He has no ideas, that's why he's so Shakespearean because he's just | :39:22. | :39:38. | |
so unlike anyone we've ever seen in that realm. | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
It's not real to me that he could win. | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
It would be just the most bizarre thing imaginable. | :39:47. | :39:54. | |
I hope that when he loses, he would do everyone a favour | :39:55. | :40:02. | |
Before he started making money out of acting, | :40:03. | :40:09. | |
I met a guy named Reverend Bob who was a very friendly guy | :40:10. | :40:18. | |
and he said, "I need your help one day." | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
He said, "I accidentally booked two weddings, | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
same day, same time, but different locations. | :40:25. | :40:26. | |
All of sudden I'm an ordained minister and it did occur to me | :40:27. | :40:40. | |
after the success of Malcolm In The Middle | :40:41. | :40:42. | |
or Breaking Bad that someone might be watching at some point | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
and go, "Honey, I think Walter White married us." | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
"Since I became famous," you wrote in this book, "My | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
One thing you don't train for, you don't know when you become | :40:53. | :41:02. | |
an actor, is what to do if you become famous. | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
There is no school for that, there is no class for that. | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
At one time you could go to a store and nobody knows who you are | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
I'm no longer treated on an even keel with everyone else. | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
What I lost also, one of the things I love to do | :41:22. | :41:30. | |
and it is an actor's obligation and interest, is to study | :41:31. | :41:32. | |
human behaviour, but once you are being studied | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
yourself, their behaviour has changed and they are no | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
And the conversation, too, when you meet people, | :41:39. | :41:47. | |
they want to talk about me, that's all they want | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
Quite frankly I want to expand beyond that. | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
I have a tendency now to be more secluded. | :41:55. | :41:56. | |
He looks like a completely different person in all of the roles he plays. | :41:57. | :42:08. | |
Good evening, tomorrow is the 1st of November, a change of month and a | :42:09. | :42:30. | |
change of feel to the weather. After a foggy start, it will lift to | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
low-grade cloud. The best sunshine further north and west but the | :42:35. | :42:37. | |
temperatures are going | :42:38. | :42:38. |