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We used to know where we were with this guy.


It was about rescuing the nation's finances...


No unfunded spending, no irresponsible extra borrowing...


But will a new regime bring new priorities?


Ahead of Phillip Hammond's first Autumn Statement, we ask who he is -


And we get a glimpse into his formative years.


I think what we've seen with the new government is,


understandably, a change of tone and a desire to draw a contrast


Philip Hammond's contribution to that, early on in his


chancellorship, he talked about a reset of fiscal policy.


I think people probably overinterpreted too much meaning


We got hold of half a bottle of sherry and proceeded to drink it.


Very randomly, we ended up having a bit of a cheeky snog!


Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!


As footage emerges of neo Nazis celebrating Trump's election,


we ask the former deputy secretary of state where US


Finally, come's America in photographs. We talked to the former


Wall Street trader who took them. When anonymous Cabinet colleagues


reportedly described the Chancellor of the Exchequer as "arguing


like an accountant, seeing the risk of everything" last month,


it was, somewhat strangely, Tomorrow, when Philip Hammond


delivers his first Autumn Statement, we should get the strongest


indication yet of whether this alleged caution will prove to be


a strength or a weakness in these The scariest Brexit-related


predictions may not have immediately come true but the Treasury's


goalposts have already moved quite a lot since George Osborne moved out


of Number 11. Deficit reduction is no longer


the top priority and apart from Jams - that's families who are just


about managing, and our report later tonight into spiralling food


prices won't provide them with much comfort -


it's not clear yet In a moment we'll take a good look


at the character of the man delivering the Autumn statement -


and the political journey he's made. First, though, Newsnight's Chris


Cook has been considering the scale One word above all defined the last


six years of government. The largest budget deficit of any


economy in Europe... George Osborne's intention


in 2010 was to almost close By now, the squeezing on spending


and tax was supposed The deficit last year


was still 3.8% of GDP. So we're two to three years behind


on a target set only six years ago. That also means that the stock


of public borrowing hasn't stayed Our stock of debt was supposed


to touch just 70% of GDP Well, the Brexit vote is expected


to weigh on short-term growth. The average economic forecast back


in June projected our economy The average dole claim projections


for next year were about 710,000 people, now they're


about 830,000 people. Well this line shows how


the Government had reduced the deficit and what it expected


to happen to the deficit in the coming years,


measured in billions of pounds. The Treasury expected


us to hit its target for moving from a deficit


to a surplus in 2019-20. Now, this new line is


the Resolution Foundation's estimate of what that slightly slower growth


will do to those projections, And you can see that the deficit


doesn't become a surplus Well, if the Chancellor


wants an overall surplus, austerity will need to be deeper,


or will have to continue for longer, The Government could slog on,


or it could change its fiscal rules in ways that would give it more room


to invest in infrastructure, But the key point is this -


this Autumn Statement will be Our political editor


Nick Watt is here. What have you learned? Think we can


be pretty sure we will be talking about that group of people you have


just mentioned, the Jams. These are people just about managing, and they


have been identified by Downing Street as the key group of voters in


need of help. There have been some tensions between Number 10 and 11


Downing Street over this. Philip Hammond has been saying that the


first responsibility is to ensure financial stability. But he has come


round to Theresa May's mission. You will see some measures relatively


modest. It will be interesting, one thing to look at tomorrow is


something we recently highlighted on Newsnight. There is going to be a


modest reduction in George Osborne's planned cuts to Universal Credit.


What that will mean, as lope bus-load paid workers with more


hours, their benefits will be reduced at a more modest and slower


rate. The first fiscal event, in Treasury speak, since the Brexit


vote, it really is a huge moment for Theresa May's government. We thought


we would take an in-depth look at the character and journey that has


brought Philip Hammond to the job he always dreamt of having, in


circumstances he never envisaged would happen. I must warn you, this


film does contain detail of his disco days.


Until now, we've known him as the dull man of British politics.


Spreadsheet Phil, even to his friends.


Philip Hammond has risen with barely a trace but today he is


emerging as one of the central figures as a new order judders into


Since his days as a teenager in Essex there


Philip, the deadly serious student, businessman


and politician, and then there is Phil, the resourceful entrepreneur


and charmer with a twinkle in the eye.


Suburban Essex may not have felt that it was quite at the centre of


Luckily, a schoolboy entrepreneur and his


close friend were on hand to enliven the scene.


There was one disco that used to take place in Shenfield


I sort of said to him, we could do that.


And so, to cut a long story short, Philip hired a hall, sold tickets,


asked me if I'd DJ, and I was getting my


whatever it was, 20 quid or something, for DJing.


And Philip was just making a fortune!


Even as a teenager, Philip Hammond was showing characteristics that


That would be the sort of thing that I'd


But if it hadn't got a Phoenix stamp on it, it


Philip Hammond stamped all of the records owned by the business,


even though they were in the care of his mate.


He once said to me that he wanted to be a millionaire.


I think he said by the time he was 30.


And I think he did actually achieve that in the end.


I remember going round to his house once.


We got hold of half a bottle of sherry.


And very randomly, we ended up having a bit


Who'd have thought that Philip Hammond was such a good kisser?


He used to wear, as memory serves, quite a long black leather coat.


And he had very long jet black hair that


kind of hung like crows wings down past his shoulders.


He was very distinctive to look at, very tall,


I can remember that in history classes for example he


would come in with his Daily Telegraph.


He always would finish his classwork ahead of everybody else.


And he put his big boots up on the desk


and he would start reading the Telegraph.


And swapping political dialogue with our history teacher,


And usually towards the end of the class


they would swap papers and then they would sort of score jolly


points off each other, making political points.


But I do seem to remember him talking about the joys


And the fact that one shouldn't feel guilty


At Oxford, the political geek was in his element.


Here he is watching the seminal debate at the Oxford union in 1975,


days before Britain first voted on its relationship with Europe.


It took another two decades after making millions in business


before Philip Hammond finally answered his true calling.


In 1993, a familiar figure was watching.


There is a whole subclass of the population which no longer


understands the distinction between right and wrong,


Philip Hammond was not elected to parliament until his early 40s.


It is better they wonder why you do not speak then


And he watched as youngsters such as George Osborne overtook him.


His breakthrough came when George Osborne appointed him


as his deputy in the opposition Treasury team way


Newsnight understands that the future Chancellor almost


quit the front bench at that point because the new post


But he stayed on after he was tipped off about the move, giving him time


to reflect on how it might eventually taking closer


Something that always struck me back then was I think it


been very easy for someone in Philip Hammond's


position being brought in as George Osborne's deputy,


even though he was a decade older than him, to bear some


I think that he understood that this was a balanced ticket, as you talk


That George was younger, more political,


there was a driving force behind the leadership and Philip


In the lengthy years of opposition and


early days of government, Philip Hammond was


seen as something of a dry Eurosceptic Thatcherite.


He was critical of the decision to legalise


same-sex marriage and on Europe some colleagues thought the man now


dubbed the Secretary of State for soft Brexit might even support


The Philip Hammond I knew was a pretty Eurosceptic


individual and certainly one who I thought


would not make the change he


He is a very pragmatic figure indeed.


I assume the Foreign Office has worked its usual magic on


people and he has seen the importance of changing your mind


And now he is indeed, appears to be to the outside


world, leading the drive for soft Brexit.


Rather than the hard Brexit you might have expected some years


But close friends say he was never an outer, just


a classic sceptic who wanted to see the EU reform.


There's been a widespread misunderstanding of


the Conservative Eurosceptic position.


The classic Eurosceptic position which Philip I think


wholeheartedly held and 85% of the party,


was that we are cautious of Europe, we think it needs reform,


Finally at the age of 60 and after 19 years in


Parliament, Philip Hammond secures dream job when his Oxford


contemporary Theresa May appointed him as her Chancellor in the summer.


Friends say the Chancellor regards himself as more of a finance


minister than some grand political figure who meddles


His primary aim is to ensure financial stability, for now


that means resetting the dial on the economy by abandoning George


Osborne's plan to achieve an overall budget surplus by 2020.


One Osborne ally believes the Autumn Statement


will actually mark continuity with the old regime.


I think what we've seen with the new government


understandably is a change of tone and a desire to draw a contrast with


And Philip Hammond's contribution to that early


on in his chancellorship, he talked about a reset of fiscal


policy and I think people probably overinterpreted too much meaning


The reality on substance I think is largely


continuity, particularly Philip Hammond himself is a fairly


He believes in balanced budgets and I think


that we will see evidence of that in the Autumn Statement this week.


Phil Philip Hammond knows that


his success will depend in large part on maintaining a constructive


As passing acquaintances at Oxford, they have an effective, though not


He is dismissive of her approach on immigration and I have learned


that the Treasury has been irritated by


briefings that the Chancellor is wary of the Prime Minister's mission


The people who are just about managing.


Philip Hammond sees some merit in this idea, but he has reminded


Number Ten that his first priority must be to ensure financial


The two Oxford contemporaries know their government


will ultimately be defined by how successfully they navigate the UK


Newsnight understands that the Chancellor has


He is unimpressed by what he regards as the excessively optimistic claims


of Brexiteer Minister Boris Johnson and Liam Fox.


And he fears that the UK could tumble out of the EU in a hard


Friends say he is so concerned about business uncertainty


that he believes that the UK should negotiate a transitional deal


to cover future trading relations at the same time


Theresa May appeared to float this idea yesterday.


It is clear that one of the things that Philip is increasingly


coming to the realisation, is that we may need to put in place


transitional arrangements so that negotiations do not have to stop


It may well be in our national interests


to continue those negotiations for some time to get


While the Chancellor is wary of Liam Fox and


Boris Johnson, he has formed an alliance with the third


Friends say he regards the Brexit secretary as a grown-up, immersing


himself in the gritty detail of his job. Britain will have its first


proper introduction to data the two Philip Hammond 's. Spreadsheet


Philip might be the man for the moment as finances and a bumpy


phase. But Phil, the confident charmer, will need all his political


wiles to survive the choppy Brexit waters ahead.


We're joined by the Conservative MP Heidi Allen and Labour's shadow


Minister for Industrial Strategy, Chi Onwurah.


You have got to cheer your man to the rafters tomorrow, that is how it


works. But what are you hoping to see? We're getting ready some big


clues about what we're likely to tomorrow. I have been campaigning


hard to reverse the damage done to the universal credit system last


year. I'm hearing ?1 billion putting in to reducing the harsher rates.


Given the fiscal climate and the fact that we are to lift the


national minimum wage, it is not bad. It had been suggested that 2


billion was the figure that would make a meaningful difference. 2


billion would have fully reversed all the changes put into work


allowances. That goes some way, though not as much as I would have


liked. But given the economic situation we are still in with the


deficit and the debt, we have got to be a bit realistic. But if they're


bumping up the national minimum wage. I've also heard that letting


agencies will be banned for people ranting in the private market. Just


to focus on the broader economic picture. Your maiden speech focused


on universal credit. And people afterwards questioned why you were a


Conservative! I think it is an old-fashioned view perhaps of where


the Tory party, what people thought it was. It is changing. I would not


have joint if I had thought it was going to continue in that way. But


Theresa May is pushing that new broom. I just do not like the term


JAMs. I know what the term means to me, it means the people that used to


work with me at Royal Mail who just about every day, would make ends


meet. It is money hand to mouth, choosing whether to put on the


heating or do their shopping. A basic thing. These are the people I


am fighting for as many of us are across the whole house. So the


squeezed middle. Even less than that, people on very low incomes.


Are we seeing the ghost of Ed Miliband appearing in these


conservative economic policies? I think Theresa May is challenging --


channelling much of Ed Miliband's policy and the squeezed middle has


extended to incorporate many more people. Since the financial crisis


we have bad actors incomes staying the same. -- average incomes. Many


people are worse off today, we had wasted six years and is why Philip


Hammond needs to set out his fiscal plans and how we're going to see


growth, sustainable growth back in the economy. In the face of huge


uncertainty that we have proposed Brexit and post-Trump. And if he


sets out fiscal plans and they bear a passing resemblance to the


manifesto that you fought the let's bash the last election on, where


does that leave the labour economic policies? The Tories are failing by


their own targets, we had 711 ?50 billion added to the national debt


at the same time as people have got poorer. So everyone around the


country who sweated blood and tears for its charity is now worse off.


That is the key difference between us. But also, Theresa May talked


about industrial strategy yesterday but we had no idea what she means by


that. What she announced, and industrial challenge fund of some


amount in four years, that is not an industrial strategy. And the failure


of George Osborne's economic has convinced the Conservative Party we


need an industrial strategy and need the state to intervene and ensure


sustainable growth, but still to see any indication of specific measures


to support our industry and investment. In the meantime you


would welcome this taper on the universal credit. Absolutely, it was


obscene that the poorest in our communities, 50% of children in


households on universal credit, it seemed they were paying the price of


austerity. This does not fully address that, but it is better than


nothing and we are glad that they are reflecting that. Osbournomics


has been absolutely busted. Six years in Downing Street and now his


predecessor has given up on it. What you say to the people who had wage


freezes because austerity was the answer to the deficit, who may have


lost their jobs in the public sector because austerity was the answer to


the deficit, people who have really been squeezed, as a direct result of


the policy is your party enacted. It is not fair to say it is just


because the policies that were enacted. George Osborne said it is


the poorest that suffer when deficits are high. Now Philip


Hammond is saying deficit reduction cannot be the top priority. So just


let those two together, the poor will suffer more. Whilst I prefer a


relaxation, that we will not aim for a surplus in this Parliament, I


think it is right that we release the pressure just a little because


it was becoming unbearable. And I believe under the previous


administration it was all about the production of the deficit almost to


the cost of everything else. So it is right that we release that. But


not just George Osborne policies, this has been a difficult period


across the world not just for our country. And it is turbulent. My


worry with Brexit is that it will get more turbulence so I'm glad to


get this extra cash to help them right back. Looking back at that


comment about high deficit hitting the poorest hardest, are you


suggesting that your colleagues who advocated Brexit have not -- have


caused people to suffer more in the short-term at least? I'm hoping


absolutely not. I know what I'm fearing, but Britain is a resilient


country and I suspect we are all adjusting. My constituents wanted to


remain but we've got to accept the decision and I know it is a tired


phrase, but this is what British people do. The Prime Minister has


announced ?2 million going into research and development and size


funding. We have the innovation and that translates into jobs. There's


not enough money to go around and it is finding that balance. Thank you


very much. They called it Project Fear


during the referendum campaign but there are signs that some


of the warnings of post-Brexit economic trouble may be


crystallising into Project Fact. Credit Suisse published its annual


Global Wealth report today and estimated that Britain is one


and a half trillion dollars poorer in dollar terms due to the fall


in the pound since the vote to leave But even if you're not one of those


people who don't trust experts, it's hard to see a number of that


magnitude, my ten-year-old tells me there are twelve noughts


in a trillion, in the context Much closer to home,


Newsnight has been told that because of the value of sterling,


food prices are likely to rise by more than 5% over


the next six months - We may not be a nation


of shopkeepers, but we are a nation Savouring the memories


of products from the past, days when Smash meant potato


and instant coffee Grocery shopping is at the very


heart of our life. We all need the basics


of life, we have to eat. But the cost of those essentials


is critical to the economy. The more we spend on the weekly


shop, the less we've got left It's easy to be nostalgic


about Spangles and old brands. The fact is, back then in the 70s


and 80s, your supermarket shop would take up a much bigger chunk


of your money than it does now. In fact, over the past few years,


food prices have actually But now, following Brexit,


while the pound has weakened, that means ingredients and packaging


that come from abroad have So, someone is going to have to soak


up those increased costs. That's either the supplier,


the retailer or us, the customers. This man knows the answers


better than most. Justin King ran Sainsbury's


for a decade, during which time sales grew,


but prices stayed flat. He thinks the fall of


the pound now is bound to Something of around 40% to 50%


of what we buy in the shops is sourced abroad in currency


other than the pound. With the current rate


of exchange, we could expect that to be about 10% more


expensive than a year's time. If that's about half


of what we buy, that means something in the order


of 5% inflation. After years of little or no


changes in price, that rise But it's a prediction


backed up by the group that oversees the whole British


food and drink industry. But I think some prices will have


risen between 5% and 8%. I think that's about


where the consensus lays. We've heard about battles


involving Marmite and Toblerone, but not all suppliers


are multinational giants. Many are small companies,


having to deal with a trading environment


that has been mixed up. Raw material costs have gone up


considerably since the 23rd of June. That is something we


are having to manage. And they haven't gone up a little


bit, they've gone We buy all our raw materials


in dollars or euros. So, we don't want to pass that cost


onto the consumer, but we can't


absorb everything. We are having to look at ways


to manage through cost So, the challenge is


how to find creative ways to avoid passing on rising


costs to price conscious customers. We could buy from the UK,


rather than buying abroad. So we are looking at producing


a hedgerow smoothie at the moment, and all


the fruit comes just from the UK. Christmas is the busiest time


of the year for retailers, glossy Justin King thinks many are simply


holding off inevitable price rises. When I think back to the financial


crisis of 2007-8, there was a lot of conversation at that time


about why we weren't immediately seeing the effects on the consumer


and consumer behaviour. It actually took the best part of 18


months, maybe closer to two It was 2010 before we saw consumers


start to change the way that they shopped, batten


down the hatches a bit. I think that's the timelines


we are talking about. Big, famous shops don't


have a divine right to exist. Woolworths and BHS,


both testament to that. So, if there is a grocery battle


brewing, what determines The challenge is that the best run


businesses will be able They won't pass it all


onto customers, they will look Businesses that are already


stretched, already perhaps with lower margins,


perhaps with less strong relationships with customers,


they are the ones that are going to suffer in that environment,


because they will get squeezed in the jaws of not being able


to put prices up and costs Can you see a familiar High Street


name disappearing this time, because they just can't keep up


with this battle? I just can't tell you


which one it will be. It will become clear over time


who the winners and losers are. We have become very used


to very low food prices. But if these warnings are right,


they may soon become Time now for your Donald Trump news,


much of it culled from meeting at the New York Times earlier


which was scheduled, then cancelled, Tonight, the President Elect


believes that humankind has played Yesterday, of course,


he thought it was all a hoax He currently doesn't


want to prosecute Hillary Clinton. During the election campaign,


you'll recall, he insisted that she would be jailed


in the event of him winning and regularly encouraged supporters


to chant 'lock her up'. And while some of those supporters


chose to celebrate his victory in Washington this weekend by making


Nazi salutes and espousing undiluted white supremacism,


today he strongly condemned the so-called alt-right


extremists who nonetheless still consider his Chief of Staff,


Stephen Bannon, to be a sort of patron saint


of the whole movement. Here, in case you haven't seen it,


is the footage of a man called Richard Spencer,


who claims to have coined the very term alt-right,


addressing fellow fascists The mainstream media -


or perhaps we should refer to them Ambassador Wendy Sherman


is Senior Counselor, Albright Stonebridge Group


and was President Obama's Deputy She previously worked


as his Under Secretary of State I don't want to seem ungrateful for


you giving your time tonight, but are we wasting our time trying to


analyse Donald Trump at this point? It seems a little like trying to


nail jelly to the wall, or jello, as you would say? What has happened


here, and President Obama spoke on this when he met President-Elect


Trump, he is now coming to understand what it is to be


President of the United States. These issues are complex and there


is a reason why President Obama has proceeded in the way that he has.


Yes, I am glad that he has condemned the alt-right meeting that took


place. I would also like to apologise for all of the demeaning


things he said during the election that have many people in the streets


of my country very scared on a daily basis about what is going to happen


and whether their rights are going to be protected. I'm glad he said


that maybe humankind has something to do with climate, but I want to


make sure he is going to hold onto the climate accord which the whole


world has signed up to. I don't know that we are throwing spaghetti


against the wall, but I agree that we don't know exactly where we are


going to land and we will see whether as an intellect tramp really


becomes, in fullness, what is required of a President of the


United States. You mentioned the people living in fear of some of the


comments he made, or fear of the wrong locations of some of the


comments. Plenty of people cheered them. If he doesn't deliver on the


stuff that you worry about, would you not have a whole new raft of


worries that his supporters might have a grievance? Well, his


supporters may have a grievance, but they won the election and he is the


President-Elect, even Secretary Clinton got the majority of the


popular vote, as your viewers I am sure know by now. We have an


electoral college system, so small states get to have a say and states


cannot decide, through popular vote, who wins. We have a pretty divided


country in terms of the feelings here and what the President of the


United States is supposed to do is bring the country together.


President-Elect Trump has yet to do that, and to give reassurance to the


people that did not vote for him. I was glad on the night of the


election that he said he wanted to be President for all of America, but


he has yet to take the steps and say that things come in my view, that


will give the assurance they need. And we have to see what his policies


bring on issues like immigration, what he will do about taking on all


of the wealth at the top of our population, and not well distributed


throughout the population. There is a lot to be seen and a lot to come


ahead. We are all watching and waiting, and making sure that we


stayed, forthrightly, what is necessary to really be President of


the United States. Let's talk about the things we do know. I have been


swotting up on your speeches, in the context of international diplomacy,


when you were speaking in Geneva, just before the Iran negotiations


began in 2013, and then the Carnegie endowment for International peace in


February of last year. It's really boring, isn't it? A lot of this to


go see Asian, it is really detailed, and it demands a level of


application. -- it is really detailed and demands a level of


application that maybe he has not demonstrated. Can it be more like


Ronald Reagan, with people like you in the background doing the heavy


lifting? You can delegate, but you certainly have to have a grasp of


it. I picked up a copy of The Art Of The Deal, Donald Trump's book,


because I wanted to understand how he thought about things. Bradley,


doing a deal for a building is different from negotiating change


when it comes to international security. If a building doesn't get


built, a building doesn't get built. If the Iran negotiation had not been


successful, we might find ourselves at war. The stakes are quite


different. There are many people that have an interest in the


outcome. That agreement in particular was not just a bilateral


arrangement with the United States. It was an agreement reached with the


entire international community. Very briefly, the co-author said that


Trump will not just have his eye on closing down elements of the press


and the media, he would be keen to enact some sort of silencing of


freedom of speech. Do events today make that look a little bit


excessive? Well, to go back to your opening, James, for today, it makes


it look better. He actually had the meeting with the New York Times and


said the first Amendment was something nobody should worry about,


which is freedom of speech. He did and on the record interview with the


New York Times. But that is today. We need to see sustained openness.


Starting tomorrow. Thanks for your time this evening.


The forgotten corners and the forgotten people of America


have moved sharply into focus since Donald Trump's victory


and it's fair to say that most city dwellers -


not to mention most media professionals -


have been surprised by what they've seen.


In 2012, he turned his back on a 20-year career


as a Wall Street trader and, like a latter day William Hogarth,


set off with his camera to chronicle the oft-overlooked underbelly


In an exclusive film for Newsnight, here he shares some


I'm a photographer and writer and I spent the last two years talking to


voters, a lot of them Trump voters. They are people that feel very much


like the country has left them behind, economically and socially.


They feel very much like there is a sense of humiliation, a sense of


feeling very much like the world has humiliated them. With Trump, they


see somebody who they think is helping them to restore their pride.


Laurie is in a small town in Ohio. She said she was frustrated and


there was nothing in the town for her kids to do. She had five


children, two of them fell into drug use, like a lot of the places I went


to. She felt very much like the world had left her behind. She had


voted for Obama the first time, she bought into the idea of hope and


change, and she did not see that coming, so she was going to vote for


Trump. She was very explicit about that. The gentleman in the picture


is in a McDonald's in Virginia, in a town that lost the textile mills 25


years ago. Since then, it has not recovered. I believe he is a


part-time minister as well. He had made a home-made Trump button. One


of the things about the Trump campaign that people made fun of was


the kind of ad hoc nature of it. It wasn't professional. For people like


Billy, it really represented to him that the campaign was real, it was


true. It represented him because it didn't have the trappings of a big,


professional campaign. The pictures of the bar owner, who had been a


firefighter all his life, is retired, he was very tall on whether


to vote for Trump or not. His frustration with Hillary Clinton and


frustration with what she represented, the sense of


entitlement, I think that ultimately pushed him on voting for Trump, even


though he was aware of the many problems Trump hard. It wasn't an


easy decision for him. He didn't just jump on a bandwagon and say he


loved this guy, he was very torn. Ultimately, I think he represents


what I saw in a lot of voters, have the Democrats have a better


candidate, I think we would not be where we are today. Sitting in a


truck, he has a Confederate flag on his truck. When you look at Paul,


you realise he also has only one leg. He talked about having been put


in the slow classes at school and made fun of all his life, as a


cripple and a retard. For him, what the flag represented was a community


that he could join, that accepted him. It doesn't help to yell at him


and say he is a racist. You have to look at a more holistic approach and


ask, why did he get here? Why did he get to this point, where he finds an


identity through the Confederate flag? Through voting for Trump? I


think when you look at Trump voters, you look at the anger that is


manifested in their vote, ask, how did it get there? What are the


conditions that created that? If you are going to stop the anger, stop


Trump in the long run, stop politics like this, you have to address the


inequality and the context that created that anger.


Clarification, we wrongly said earlier that Damian Green had said


on this programme that restoring cuts to Universal Credit would cost


?2 billion. It was not Damian Green that told us that.


But before we go, it was reported today that the number of plastic


bags left on our beaches has halved following the introduction


of the 5p charge for them in October last year.


But perhaps we underappreciate the aesthetic qualities


The film American Beauty knew a bag's worth.


Like a little kid begging me to play with it.


That's the day I realised that there was this...


And this incredibly benevolent force wanted me to know that there was no


Sometimes there's so much beauty in the world.


High-pressure building across the UK,