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Good evening and welcome to our final show of the year.

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Tonight Newsnight says goodbye to 2016, the year

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I think the majority want to stay in a reformed European Union. I happen

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to believe that the people in this country don't want to pull

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drawbridges up. At 20 minutes to five we can now say... The people of

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the UK have voted to leave the European Union. Have got my country

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back, I won't be here for long but what I've got I want to keep. About

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ten o'clock would be about right. I do not think it would be right for

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me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next

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destination. We did it! Everybody woke up in time! Everybody listened!

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I'm sorry, we've just been through three months of agony on the issue

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of immigration and the public have been led to believe that what they

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have voted for is an end to it. We live in a besieged area. We haven't

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had anything to eat since the beginning of the siege. We believe

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this is a world first, selfies stick being used to transport an eminent

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London surgeon into a basement hospital in a besieged city.

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The truth is the question of belief. We have our special Russian troops

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that you need to accept as something that maybe is not your truth. It

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does feel, maybe you don't feel but you are not free to express your

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opinion, because you are a racist, bigoted, you are

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homophobic. What would you do on your first day in the White House?

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So many things you wouldn't even believe it. Thank you. This is the

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most important thing about Donald Trump. He was sociopathic in the

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classic sense. We could spend all day talking about him but it's

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Hillary Clinton who is likely to be the next president. There has been

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quite a shift in the last hour. To the names of Jefferson, Washington

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and Adams, we can now add Trump. Taste it, roll it around your

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tongue. America's President-elect is Donald J Trump. It's not true, he

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hasn't been racist. Text textbook racism was the phrase. Is a white

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man you don't get to define what racism is. Simon, calm down dear.

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Don't patronise me. It is not a moment for calm. It is a moment for

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contesting what seems to be a very dangerous point in American history.

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This has been a year of seismic shifts in power.

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Britain voted to wrest back power from the EU.

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In America the old establishment elites lost power to

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In Russia, Putin has deployed everything from war planes

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to the web to wield power thousands of miles from Moscow.

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Tonight we have convened a group of guests to work out what brought

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about such momentous change, who has benefited most as a result,

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who have suffered the greatest, and what it will presage for 2017.

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And joined by senior Ukip figure Suzanne Evans,

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the commentator and columnist Peter Hitchens, Paris Lees,

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the commentator and columnist Peter Hitchens.

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harrowing, you may wish to look away, tell us why you chose this. On

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the fringes of Europe people are dying, more than last year and I

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think that we have convinced ourselves that it is to do with

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illegal people trafficking, an industry that does exist and we have

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convinced ourselves that it is only to do with the wars in the Middle

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East although it is also to do with climate change. These Africans

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escaping the effects of climate change. Trying to escape the effect

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of desertification. This is not a crisis. A crisis is something that

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can be solved. This is what the early 21st century is going to look

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like. But there are more people crossing the Mediterranean this year

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than last year and yet in terms of the news coverage of it we seem to

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be slightly desensitised. Is it because you think we are distancing

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ourselves from it? The reason we are here talking about 2016, so much has

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happened, we have had more enormous stories in 2016 than any year I can

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remember. It is a dreadful image, and not the only one.

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You sift through newspapers, we don't see how the images. The

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question is interpretation. My interpretation would be completely

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different from yours. How would you interpret it? As the consequence

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largely of the crazy intervention which we in France partially made in

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Libya, the main reason for this particular event. An astonishing

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diplomatic and military mistake, as bad as Iraq but somehow never dwelt

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upon, analysed, its culprits never properly excoriated and punished. An

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astonishing thing done largely with public support and a great deal of

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cross media, something must be done... People from Mali, and the

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Nigerians... The forces drawing them to Europe were there before we

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destroyed Libya. The destruction of Libya brought the Muslims...

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Suzanne, tell me what image you have chosen.

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I've chosen an image, I felt I had to choose something from the

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referendum campaign and I have chosen this one because I think in a

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sense it sums it up. We have a bunch of multimillionaire luvvies and rich

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kids on a boat being terribly rude to

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some fishermen who are trying to protest about the Common fisheries

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policy of the EU which has destroyed their livelihoods. So for me this

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was an iconic image. Also it is not a thing about the smug liberal elite

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that we will talk about later. After a referendum, you feel somehow that

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it caught arises the wound and then there's a rapprochement to the

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country gets back together. It hasn't happened this time. I think

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so because the people who voted Remain are saying, the world

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has not fallen apart and the economy will be fine. Things seem to be

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absolutely OK. Let's just get on with it. I think the latest polling

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I have seen suggests that 68% of people would vote Leave today. Was

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the polling counter-productive? I think the thing about a referendum

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is that it caught arises and heels when

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it is divisive, and we have had to in this country which have come out

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around 50-50. Everyone I spoke to in Scotland before the Brexit vote said

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that the experience of the Scottish referendum was of families torn

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apart and friendships broken. They warned me this would happen and they

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were right. Let's move on, Peter, to your image. You have chosen a

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domestic political image. Seuk-hyun Baek I love a good gloat. And for me

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this has been a great year for gloating. In some ways this is my

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favourite cloud, the total failure of the Blairites to overthrow Jeremy

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Corbyn on a second attempt, something I could have told them.

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Their total misunderstanding which led to the failure of what is going

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on in politics that they themselves had been

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replaced by the Conservative Party, and that there is absolutely nowhere

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left to the Labour Party to go. Do you think Jeremy Corbyn is a good

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thing for British politics? Enormously. For so long people have

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said, we are sick of all the political parties being the same as

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each other and we finally get a situation where they are not and

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Labour is led by a socialist and people are saying, this is terrible.

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I think it would be terrific if the Conservative Party could be led by a

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conservative although that is a bigger demand. Is Jeremy Corbyn good

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for British politics? He's very good for Ukip! Not the same. Former

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Labour voters are coming to Ukip because of Jeremy Corbyn who shows a

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lack of patriotism, as do most of his Shadow Cabinet and our new

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leader Paul Nuttall is determined to get into the Labour heartlands and

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look at the issues which affect working people which Jeremy Corbyn

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is ignoring. Let's pause there because we will come back for a

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discussion in a moment. It's been a bad year

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for the much-derided On the night of November 8th,

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as the seismic result of the US Presidential race came into focus,

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New Yorker editor David Remnick, someone who, if such an elite does

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exist could perhaps be regarded as its High Priest, wrote

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an immediate hugely emotional response for the magazine: calling

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Donald Trump's victory "an American tragedy" and "a sickening

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event in the history It made Remnick a visceral

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voice for many in liberal America and beyond,

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and a symbol to many of Trump's supporters of that out-of-touch

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smug liberal elite. Our editor, Ian Katz,

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has been talking to him. Let's talk about that extraordinary

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piece that you wrote It went around the world,

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I think, within hours. You talked about it being a tragedy

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for the American public, a tragedy for the constitution,

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a sickening event in the history of the United States

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and liberal democracy. I am sure some people saw me

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as someone who didn't get it, who can't reconcile himself

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to a new President, you should Or maybe that it was just

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a little hyper-ventilating. Some people on the left

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actually thought that it was I don't deny it, but also I don't

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rescind it one iota. I would be delighted if the evidence

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since election night told me, Sometimes Conservatives win

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and the Liberals lose. It tumbled and then

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the reverse happened. I know that it is at

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a volume of alarm that I don't normally sound,

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maybe I should sound it more often and God knows we have had historical

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chapters that deserved it. But I've seen nothing

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between November 8th and now, we are a goodly month later,

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that makes me feel, ah! Don't get so hot and bothered,

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we had Nixon, we had... well, take your pick of presidents

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you don't approve of. It's not that, it's something

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much more alarming. A friend of mine here at the office

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said, it's like you have been tossed out of an aeroplane and you feel

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the sense of alarm, fear, you feel that freezing wind

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around you but you have And on the other hand, no parachute

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has opened, no sense of, this is a normal event in the turn

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between the back and forth between the liberal

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and the Conservative There is not that sense,

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at least not for me. But there is that impulse to make it

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such, I see it all around me. You warned against that

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in your piece didn't you? Has it been turned into another sort

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of turn of the democratic wheel... It is a very human impulse,

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always to normalise a situation so that you are not in a state

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of constant alarm or fear I hope all of the bad things that

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I have predicted, I really do, I hope they are completely

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and utterly wrong. We have a President who seems

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to think that the normal business of conflicts of interest do not

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apply to him. His children are going to run

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a gigantic business and yet also participate in the decision-making

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of the White House. He has investments all over

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the world that depend He doesn't seem to care

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about this one iota. His temperament, which is a very

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important thing in a President, is completely opposite

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of the temperament you would He trafficks in hatred,

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in petulance, in resentment, Here's the thing, I love my

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country, I understand, completely and utterly,

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that this is a divided country, ideologically

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and in many other ways. I know that people of my political

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ilk will not win every election, to not reconcile yourself

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to that is to be a child. This is not Mitt Romney winning

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in 2012 or John McCain in 2008... I want to say one other thing,

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it is part of a larger current in the world that I find

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equally troubling, It has justifiable beefs

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with the results of globalisation, There all kinds of people

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in the North of England, in the South and in the rust belt

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of the United States and throughout Europe who are made uneasy by,

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and who have suffered I just don't think that the results,

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the political results, people in office that we're seeing

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in many of these countries, is In that piece that you wrote

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on the night of the election and you said, we're not heading

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for fascism because this country wouldn't allow it,

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but the conditions are there and you said that this

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is maybe how this starts... I think a lot of countries have had

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this circumstance, of believing it And it happens slowly, slowly,

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and then all at once. Part of my alarmism ,if you want

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to call it that, was to, in my own small way,

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to be part of the sounding of an alarm, self-awareness

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that we are not going I don't think anyone thinks that

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a funny man is going to come out with the little moustache

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and an armband. No, we have a reality television

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billionaire, but who has adopted certain ideological and character

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illogical things that are not for the better of this

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country, in my view. And taken to its logical conclusion,

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yeah, I think that a form of American authoritarianism

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is at stake. I think it is an alarm

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worth sounding. That is what resisting

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it is all about, is to make sure that the alarm is not realised

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as a reality. I think it is an absolute civic

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and journalistic necessity. And you can read a longer

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version of that interview We are joined by her journalists.

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Suzanne, picking up on what David Remnick seems to be saying, it is

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not the normal balance of whether it is Democrat or Republican even if it

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is that there are neither side, there is a sense of not restoring

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equilibria, this is different. What an astonishing interview. Chest

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beating, wailing, gnashing of teeth, he does not hope he is wrong, he

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hopes he is absolutely right! Here's hoping that President elect Trump

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screws it all up. It is astonishing. Trump, I was no great fan of his,

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but I have spoken to people who do know him, they say he is great at

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problem solving, he has lots of positive features and they have done

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psychological assessments and he came out very well and has children

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seem well balanced, he was voted for by the people.

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To try and condemn him before he has taken office and say he will be a

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disaster, we need to wait and see. It is not as though the current

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world order has done such a good job. Do you think there is this

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liberal chest beating? I'm not sure I quite agree. I think a lot of

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younger people are quite worried and are thinking, have we been here

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before? I asked a lot of my older friends, this stability that we

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enjoy at the moment, is that just a recent thing? Things have been

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unstable in the past and what I am hearing is that people feel like it

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is something new and it is not business or politics as usual and

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there is a lot of fear and uncertainty. To second-guess the

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motives of someone, I hope he is wrong. What stability do you have at

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the moment? This is possibly one of the most troubled times I remember

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and you talk about stability, we do not have stability. Give me an

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example. Leaving the European Union. We need to secure our country. The

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European Union... I think we should talk... Let's just talk about Trump

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and David Remnick. He concedes Trump been elected, that there are serious

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groups of unrepresented people with genuine grievances. He talked about

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the British North and the American South, quite correctly. Where did

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you hear David Remnick or people like him at all concerned about

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those people before the emergence of Donald Trump for decades? This has

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been waiting to happen and they paid no attention at all. Two and see

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your point, we are looking for the parachute, the point is we can

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revisit the campaign and we know Hillary Clinton did not pay enough

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attention to the rust belt, it has just come upon them as if they did

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not think it was coming. I think Peter has a point. It is not enough

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to get that people are suffering and that there is discontent with

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globalisation, we need to do something about it. Hillary Clinton

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lost the election as well as Donald Trump winning it. The failure of the

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consensus politics, in some ways Donald Trump as won the presidency

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but the Republican party did not. They did everything they could to

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try and stop him but they did when Congress. When do you think all this

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started, we look back to 2008, Barack Obama is elected, I knew

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Russian President, when did all this start, when did all this

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development. When I was living in the US in the early 1990s, it was

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under way on one of the major features is something that is now

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mirrored in Europe in a strange way, which is the huge amount of

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immigration, much of it illegal, coming across the Mexican border

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which is something that Trump sort of addressed in a very belated and

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not very intelligent way. That changed things hugely and the

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American Republican movement, Conservative journalism, were riven

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during that period about what to do about it and the Democrats did

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absolutely nothing except say it was fine. It has more to do with jobs

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going than immigrants coming. It is also to do with Nafta. Just on the

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question of what the trajectory has been in terms of tolerance, from the

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1960s onwards, this was always going to be, new laws, in America,

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homosexuality was not illegal, we had birth control and lots of

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different things happening here... And there was a tolerance, you feel

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that tolerance again has been a blip and we are becoming intolerant

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towards difference again. A little bit. I think a lot of this is

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connected to social media and people getting their voices heard and

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sometimes that is things that we want to hear, people

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who did not have a voice, having a voice, sometimes it is people

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spreading hate and it surprised me when I started seeing comments under

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YouTube videos and seeing words I had not heard in public for years.

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Really racist terms. It annoys me this characterisation of a response

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to political correctness gone mad, I think what we are seeing is

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traditional sexism and racism recalibrating itself. If you're

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hearing and seeing that, what is given a licence? I think it is

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cynical politicians from your party exploiting people and you rear is a

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really good point about working-class people and the left

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not being interested. I am from one of those towns that voted for Brexit

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and I think it is interesting that nobody is interested in speaking to

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us when we want to talk about housing or schools or jobs but

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suddenly when people have got racist concerns, everyone wants to listen

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and it is really important. Let's is an comeback on that. That is

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precisely the problem. Can I speak? People like you have for years

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actually said, we don't want to talk about these issues, we don't want to

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talk about immigration and you have refused to let people talk about it.

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Hang on... I presented a documentary on radio 12 years ago in which we

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explored prejudices and I went to meet a woman who wore a hedge out

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because that was one of my prejudices we all have ideas like

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that -- macro hijab. Let me just make this simple point, for a very

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long time, people who held perfectly reads -- reasonable views about

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marriage to immigration, were characterised as having something

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wrong with them and a phobia... Was a particularly left-wing tactic. If

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you held... If you held a legitimate view about for instance, I mentioned

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it simply, the level of immigration, there were people who felt no

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compunction in smearing you as racist. This happened all the time

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and there was an unwillingness to debate rationally. You cannot say

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that and there is something wrong with you. This is recompense for

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that. We have instantly gone on to social culture. We were talking a

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moment ago about towns in the North of England and their economic

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decline and the flight of jobs and now we are talking about social

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issues. This is the right and the left failing to talk about exactly

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those issues. Let's talk about the economic soffit and the rust belt.

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Mexican immigrants have not... You either take a position for looking

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ahead to 2017, this year has been a disaster and we need to fight back

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or this has been a great year and had only consolidated. Let's go with

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the former. It has been a disaster and should be a fightback. What do

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you think will happen? What has to happen next year for you to feel

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better? In 2016, lots of forces were released. Irrespective of what you

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think about Brexit or Trump, positive or negative, forces have

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been raised, theories have been unleashed, I do not know if Donald

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Trump has a plan for what happens when people discovery he cannot do

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all the things he said on the campaign trail. I don't know what

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the plan is for Brexit when we don't perhaps get the deal that we

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confidently said that we could. We are already dealing with

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disappointment that there is and that money for the NHS. I agree that

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expectations have been raised by largely irresponsible people who

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came to prominence because proper responsible politicians refuse to

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deal with that. Would this be Ukip? I have always regarded Ukip as a

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marginal party and I don't think it ever had any serious possibility of

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reaching power and that made it subject to the struggles are always

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most vicious when this price is so small. Do you think it has been a

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great year? So many people will be disappointed with the nature of how

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Brexit will play out in the nature of how Donald Trump will be in the

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White House. You're making huge conclusions, or that we will not get

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a good deal. I absolutely see that we hold all the Cards in this

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country, we have the biggest trade deficit with the European Union,

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they need us far more than we need them and there is every opportunity

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to get a good deal and to go back to my picture right at the beginning,

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just if we can reinvigorate our fishing industry by getting control,

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that would be wonderful. We can talk about it in relation to your

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photograph and how the EU... What needs to happen for next year? I am

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pretty pessimistic. I think there is a lot of provocation going on and it

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is very interesting, can we not just have a debate about immigration,

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turning into Polish centres being vandalised and rising hate crimes. A

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lot of people from marginalised backgrounds are worried. It will not

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affect you. Nobody is going to come up to you in the straight and abuse

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you. People abuse me because I am Ukip all the time! That is a

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political persuasion. No one is going to attack you based on the

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colour of your skin and who you are. This is an academic debate. People

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will be organising and I think that we will see some interesting

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activists. Very quickly, one big thing about 2016 was Andy Murray

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been declared number one, one good thing from 2016. I love that moment.

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I campaign of any good things apart from the opportunity to gloat at the

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discomfiture of my foes. Madonna as a clown. What is going on? The

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Olympics. This has also been a year

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in which we lost some towering figures and our cultural landscape

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became a little less technicolour. For whatsoever from

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one place doth fall. Is with the tide unto

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an other brought. Hello. Quite a lot of variety across

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the UK this

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