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The project to "Make America Great Again" begins in earnest. | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
Team Trump is fully assembled and, they say, ready for action. | :00:10. | :00:20. | |
My name is Donald Trump, and I am the largest developer in New York... | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
To think a man better known for his celebrity could become president. | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
So help us God, we will make America great again. | :00:30. | :00:37. | |
Documentary-maker Michael Cockerell has been asking, | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
do Ronald and Donald share more than we yet know? | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
The Muslim mother of a US war hero gives us her message for Trump. | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
I don't need his apologies because he's his type of person. | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
I don't believe and I don't expect anything from him. | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
Trump's battle cry against elites is reverberating around the West | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
and found its way into the Swiss citadel of the global elite | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
in Davos, where the Prime Minister today delivered this warning. | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
Talk of greater globalisation can make people fearful. | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
For many, it means their jobs being outsourced and wages undercut. | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
as they watch their communities change around them. | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
the Canadian academic and former Liberal Party leader, | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
if the revolt against globalisation can or can't be stopped. | :01:22. | :01:38. | |
Good evening from Washington on the eve of a seminal moment | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
for America - the inauguration of Donald Trump. | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
Tonight, we begin to witness the transition | :01:44. | :01:44. | |
to America's first non-politician as president. | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
The Trump cabinet, collective net worth some 14 billion, | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
is fully assembled, and they're calling the theme | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
of the transition "Uniquely American". | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
Today saw a ceremonial wreath-laying at Arlington Cemetry, | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
and a lunch at - you guessed it - Trump International Hotel. | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
Washington, DC feels packed with a nervous energy, | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
but here's the thing no-one can tell you. | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
Are the people lining its streets Trump supporters | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
who've travelled here from across America, | :02:21. | :02:21. | |
or protesters who have come to raise their voice | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
against the inexorable movement of history? | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
Tonight, we talk to those who welcome | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
and to those who fear the 45th Presidency. | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
And we start by welcoming Joel Pollack, | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
the senior editor at large from Breitbart News, | :02:37. | :02:37. | |
and Bob Woodward, the investigative journalist of Watergate fame. | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
Very nice to have you both here, I am going to start with you, the team | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
is calling this uniquely American, what to make of that, how should we | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
interpret that? What is really interesting about it is it has the | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
same feeling as the Republican convention in Cleveland, when many | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
of the big lobbyists stayed away, the celebrity stayed away, because | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
they were a little bit and easy about what Donald Trump meant. As a | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
result, it was more populous, and it is feeling the same in Washington, | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
DC today, the people coming here are people from all corners of the | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
country who are salt of the Americans, they are here because | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
they want to see him take the oath, and this is their party. I guess is | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
democracy at its most bold, a country that started from scratch, | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
and elected somebody with no experience, no legislative | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
experience, yes, you can have the highest office in the land, what | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
does it tell you? It is so interesting, because tomorrow, when | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
Trump becomes president, there is automatically, because he is | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
president, moral authority bestowed upon him, and the goodwill of most | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
people, actually, even people who don't trust him, don't like him. The | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
fascinating question is going to be, when he gives that speech, what is | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
the tone going to be? Does he, in a sense, say, you know, look, the | :04:14. | :04:20. | |
campaign is over, as he said when he declared victory in the night of the | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
election? Unifying moment. Will he do that again, and will this | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
goodwill that normally comes to a president come to him? Now, he is | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
lower in the polls, there is more anxiety, I think you would agree, | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
more uncertainty, but at least for the first few days, I think he is in | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
the driver's seat. And how do you approach? Many will remember that | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
yours was the journalism that brought down a president, Nixon, and | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
yours will be seen as the journalism that is propping up a president. How | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
do you work through that dichotomy? Well, for us, it is a bit of a | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
challenge, because we were seen as very much broke Trump, but our | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
readers are quite harsh on us. In this era of new media, you have very | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
little room to deviate from what your audience expects, and we are a | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
conservative website at the core. The fact that Donald Trump was the | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
nominee meant that we supported him because that is what we do, but | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
there was a lot of criticism, I criticised him on several occasions | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
when I disagreed with him, and if we stray from principle into political | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
support for Donald Trump, I think our readers would be unforgiving. | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
Can he be held to account? Of course, he will be held to account, | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
and that the same time, the journalists, a lot of journalists | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
are rattled, because this was an quite frankly lots of people in | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
journalism do not like him. My view is the job of the reporter is to be | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
so neutral you cannot stand it and to deal with facts, but also be | :06:09. | :06:16. | |
aggressive. And I think that is really an important cultural moment | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
for the media, are we going to be able to rise to that obligation? We | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
are going to pick up with these points in a few moments. | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
Donald Trump represents the archetypal showman. | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
The actor, the man who made his name not from politics | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
And although it feels unprecedented right now, | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
in some ways it's not - America did it once before, | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
36 years ago when they elected the film star Ronald Reagan, | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
a man whose legacy now dictates is up there | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
with some of the presidential greats. | :06:50. | :06:50. | |
Documentary film-maker Michael Cockerell | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
He looks at the parallels and sometimes startling differences | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
In the traditional motion-picture story, | :06:58. | :07:05. | |
the villains are usually defeated, the ending is a happy one. | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
I can make no such promise for the picture you're about to watch. | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
Well, sure, I'd love to take off my hat, | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
it's actually my hair, you know! I have lots of witnesses, so it is. | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
But hey, it's mine, it may not be pretty, but it's mine. | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
Both Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan had a number of things in common, | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
including the slogan that Reagan had used | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
to launch his 1980 presidential campaign. | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
Let us pledge to each other, with this great lady looking on, | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
that we can and, so help us God, we will make America great again. | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
And we will make America great again! | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
God bless you and good night, I love you! | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
I think he just brings an optimism back to the United States | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
Of all the presidents in the post-war era, | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
Ronald Reagan was the one about whom the establishment | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
in Washington, DC was the most apprehensive - before Donald Trump. | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
And Reagan, like Trump, was perceived as an outsider, | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
an American nationalist, someone that didn't appreciate the world. | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
So in that sense, the two of them were the two figures, | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
I think, who became president who were the most feared | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
Reagan and Trump were, at the age of 70, | :08:32. | :08:39. | |
the oldest ever US presidents to be elected. | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
The two right-wing Republicans had been Democrats in their youth, | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
and both had taken an unorthodox route to the White House. | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
I'm the one they're all talking about. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
I'd started as sort of an Errol Flynn of the Bs. | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
Tough luck, son, I guess we can't all have charm and good looks too. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
I made about eight of those in 11 months. | :09:10. | :09:26. | |
I was brave, but in a kind of low-budget fashion! | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
New York City, and in this town the sky's the limit. | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
Donald Trump was rather less low-budget. | :09:37. | :09:45. | |
and I'm the largest developer in New York. | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
but I also own golf courses, resorts... | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
He was a billionaire property tycoon | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
I am officially running for President of the United States... | :09:57. | :10:07. | |
The Donald finally announced he was running for the presidency | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
and the severest doubts were raised about his fitness for office. | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
Just as had happened with Ronald Reagan. | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
I made a film about Reagan when he ran for president in 1980. | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
He'd served for eight years as Governor of California, | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
But he was still widely seen as a trigger-happy cowboy. | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
I questioned Reagan at a rare press conference. | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
From the BBC in London, do you have any doubts | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
about your ability to play the role of America's leading man? | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
Do I have any doubts about my ability | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
to play the role of leading man in America? | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
I've never thought of it that way, I left that profession. | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
I have confidence, based on my experience as Governor, | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
that I can offer a better solution to the problems | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
than either of the men who are running against me. | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
Reagan's campaign meetings are expensively | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
stage-managed spectaculars, made for the television cameras. | :11:21. | :11:30. | |
in taking government off the backs of the American people | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
and turning you loose to do what I know you can do. | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
For his supporters, Reagan was the strong man America needed | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
to stand up to the Soviet Union and its other enemies abroad. | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
For his opponents, Reagan was a warmonger | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
who threatened to attack the Iranian ayatollahs, | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
had been held hostage for over a year. | :11:57. | :12:06. | |
Do you really think Iranian terrorists would have | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
taken Americans hostage if Ronald Reagan were president? | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
Do you really think the Russians would have invaded Afghanistan | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
Do you really think third-rate military dictators | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
would laugh at America and burn our flag in contempt | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
As with Trump, the prospect of Ronald Reagan in the White House | :12:23. | :12:30. | |
powerfully divided opinion on both sides of the Atlantic. | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
From the day that Reagan won the election, | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
the metropolitan liberal elite, the media elite, | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
they condescended to him, they laughed at him. | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
In fact, at no point during the eight years | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
did they ever, ever concede that | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
there might be a decent point that Reagan had to make. | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
and I think most of my friends, we were afraid. | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
How could a B movie actor suddenly be ruler of the world? | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
Fear, his finger on the button, doddery, vague, | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
would he have any idea what he was doing? | :13:05. | :13:15. | |
Well, it's great to be here on Saturday Live. | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
Well, it's great to be here on Saturday, anyway. | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
I'm going to answer your questions, | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
so fire away, fellas, as I said to the Sixth Fleet yesterday. | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
What exactly are you doing over here? | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
Well, sir, let me answer this way - I don't know. | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
Pretty smart for a guy of 103, huh? Next answer, please. | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
The satirists' victim, President Reagan arrived in Britain. | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
he had a woman Prime Minister as his opposite number. | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
She fiercely rejected Reagan's Spitting Image. | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
In a way, there was a love story, a political love story | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
between Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. | :14:00. | :14:01. | |
They found they believed in the same things, | :14:02. | :14:03. | |
the same basic things, low taxes, strong defence, anti-Communism. | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
We in Britain think you are a wonderful President. | :14:12. | :14:20. | |
We share so many of the same goals and a determination to achieve them, | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
that you summed up so well and unless I can cannot imitate this | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
wonderful American English accent - "you ain't seen nothing yet!" | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
I think President Reagan was a man who knew how to handle women, | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
he spent a lifetime handling beautiful woman. | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
She liked to be treated as a woman, not just a Prime Minister. | :14:43. | :14:51. | |
Based on the career that I once had, before this one, you are a very | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
Well, they both saw communism as fundamentally evil, | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
that the communist system needed to be brought down and destroyed. | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
This poster parodying the film Gone with the Wind was for the most | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
She promised to follow him to the end of the earth. | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
REPORTER: What do you have to say this morning, Mr President? | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
But surprisingly, following Mrs Thatcher's example, | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
Reagan made a U-turn and forged a strong relationship | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
with Mikhail Gorbachev, the reformist Soviet leader. | :15:34. | :15:41. | |
The two men met in Reykjavik, the Icelandic capital, | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
and were to reach a deal on cutting back their countries' | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
Donald Trump says he wants to follow suit and have a meeting | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
with the current Russian leader, Vladimir Putin. | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
I think there will be a summit in Reykjavik, even, | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
Not unlike the summit between Reagan and Gorbachev some decades ago, | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
where people were equally pessimistic and yet what resulted? | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
So how does the veterinary US diplomat Raymond Sykes | :16:09. | :16:22. | |
answer the great question about what is the exact nature | :16:23. | :16:24. | |
But what is, really, President-elect Trump's view of Mr Putin? | :16:25. | :16:35. | |
I don't think he's going to come over all soft and furry and be out | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
there, allowing President Putin to stroke him and go | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
The admiration between Putin and Trump is horrific. | :16:43. | :16:51. | |
I don't think it'll last for any length of time because they are both | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
dangerous narcissists, very easily offended and affronted. | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
And one way or another, one will rub the other | :16:58. | :16:59. | |
It seems Putin may well have all sorts of blackmail-able | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
The notorious leaked dossier, with its lurid allegations | :17:06. | :17:13. | |
of Donald Trump watching Russian prostitutes urinate on a bed | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
in a Moscow hotel and any tapes of the so-called "golden shower", | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
would provide the Kremlin with classic blackmail material. | :17:23. | :17:24. | |
It's all fake news, it's phoney stuff. | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
It was a group of opponents who got together, sick people, | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
Does anybody really believe that story? | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
I am also very much a germophobe, by the way. | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
OK, fine, Russia hacked the election, are you happy? | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
Are you sure Russia was behind hacking? | :17:51. | :18:04. | |
I think there was a shared feeling that we were two | :18:05. | :18:31. | |
of the most vilified people in the Western world! | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
Well, thank you, and good evening, Mississippi. | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
If I think back through all of it, what were the big contributions | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
that I perhaps made, or the contributions I made | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
towards the campaign, one was making Brexit part | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
Something that he completely embraced. | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
I think it's going to be a Brexit plus, plus, plus, | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
I speak to Trump's team and Trump's close advisers and even | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
None of them think Trump would have won unless Brexit had happened. | :19:04. | :19:12. | |
So you helped make Donald Trump President? | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
Well, it wasn't the direct object at the time! | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
Of fighting for all those years for a referendum. | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
But as a by-product, it was part of it, yes. | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
That a lot of us who supported Trump also supported Brexit | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
and English independence, if they wanted it, and a lot | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
of the other countries, if they want to get out of the EU, | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
We wanted to get out of the British Empire. | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
Nigel Farage got his reward by becoming the first British | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
politician to have a face-to-face meeting with President-elect | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
While the British Prime Minister, Theresa May, | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
Yes, I look forward to working with President-elect Trump. | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
Any British Prime Minister, male or female, needs to get | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
Even if you don't like them, even if you think they are half | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
barmy, you really have to get on with them because that | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
relationship is so important to the United Kingdom. | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
I am just very interested to know your feelings | :20:16. | :20:17. | |
before that meeting, bearing in mind some of the things | :20:18. | :20:19. | |
I feel slightly awkward reading this out, but I do think it is important | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
to re-hear what Donald Trump was recorded saying in the past, | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
When you're a star, they let you do it, they let you do anything, | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
I mean, forgetting the fact that you are Prime Minister for a moment, | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
how does that make you feel as a woman? | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
I think that is unacceptable and, in fact, Donald Trump himself has | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
Whatever Trump's reputation, I am sure that when Mrs May goes | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
into the Oval Office, there will not need to be | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
I am sure this is all going to be absolutely... | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
I thought you had volunteered at one stage? | :20:56. | :20:57. | |
Donald Trump will go to Washington tomorrow as a political virgin. | :20:58. | :21:12. | |
Having never before held any public office. | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
He keeps in his own office a picture of his hero, Ronald Reagan, | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
who had himself been much maligned as a dangerous maverick. | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
So, does Reagan's record in the White House offer clues | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
about how the new President, Donald J Trump, will perform? | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
Ronnie was the outsider and he was a huge success. | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
Trump, in some ways, is an even bigger outsider | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
than Ronnie was and yet I feel pretty bullish, I feel | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
pretty optimistic for what he is going to do. | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
Donald Trump is even more frightening than Reagan, he seems | :21:47. | :21:48. | |
He may end up being impeached within a very short period, | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
within a very short time of his inauguration. | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
On the other hand, it may end in tears for the rest of the world. | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
If he is willing to pick fights with anybody, anyywhere, | :22:02. | :22:03. | |
and his finger is on the nuclear button, God help us all. | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
They say in Washington that it is the job of every | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
new administration to make the previous | :22:12. | :22:12. | |
And that won't be hard for Trump to do, I don't think! | :22:13. | :22:29. | |
Joel Pollack and Bob Woodward join me. | :22:30. | :22:37. | |
Thanks for sticking around. Cavalier was a word used about Reagan and it | :22:38. | :22:46. | |
is being applied to Donald Trump, is that something that people have got | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
wrong? He has a strategy? I have been able to do some reporting on | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
this and if you look at what they want to do, Trump and his advisers, | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
regarding Russia, it is this outreach to Vladimir Putin, which is | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
a love -fest on one level and on the other, this is the second part of | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
the strategy, to be tough with Vladimir Putin and build up the | :23:13. | :23:20. | |
military and I think it is highly possible that the Trump | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
administration will do some things that Putin is going to hate. In a | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
way it is a classic Ronald Reagan two track, soft and hard. Does | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
Breitbart step in when you hear about Russian hacking and leaks? Do | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
you act as journalists who want to stop the closeness between Trump and | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
Russia or think, where is this taking is? I criticised some of the | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
Trump policies on Russia during the campaign because so many seemed to | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
mirror what Obama tried, when he ran for office in 2007, he seemed to | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
believe he could sit down with anybody and get along and it would | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
be simple and Trump believed he would have a better success at the | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
same thing because he had more experience in business as an | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
Executive but I think Russian interests sometimes align with our | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
own but sometimes not added means there will be conflict between any | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
administration and Russia but as Bob said, the Trump team has developed a | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
more nuanced policy, talking tough on nuclear stockpiles and building | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
up the military... You signed quite optimistic about the future? People | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
can have strategies and sometimes they work and sometimes they failed | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
disastrously. We don't know. It is in the Reagan model, Ronald Reagan | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
had eight years, he started very tough, remember, tear down the wall? | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
Reagan called the Soviet Union the evil Empire and then with Gorbachev, | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
there was a outreach. We have this Cabinet which is more like a bunch | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
of CEOs, ?14 billion net worth with some estimates, does that worry you? | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
The country is in the hands of 18 white rich men? Not at all. He has | :25:13. | :25:20. | |
picked people with a track record of Executive experience, he has chosen | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
people at the top of their field who he trusts with large government | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
departments. Your former boss in the middle of that, how do you criticise | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
anything the administration is doing when Steve Bannon is in there? We do | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
that all the time, I have done this a dozen times in different articles, | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
disagreeing with things, and we used to go to -2 on policy issues and | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
that is a kind of team of rivals that Trump has assembled. Barack | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
Obama got credit for this but Trump even more so, men and women with | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
opinions. The people who rallied for Trump think they are voting and | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
non-elitist President, that is what he sold them, does a Cabinet that | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
worry you? We will see. You can have lots of money and do things for real | :26:07. | :26:15. | |
people and the question is, are the policies going to be against people | :26:16. | :26:23. | |
or pro-people? If the person on the street says, you know, Trump and | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
this rich Cabinet are looking out for me, which they might, under the | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
same time they might look out business interests in a way that is | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
perceived to be an Thai people? Nicky you both very much. -- against | :26:40. | :26:40. | |
people. At the height of the summer, | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
Donald Trump waded into a row from which many thought | :26:43. | :26:44. | |
he would not recover. He taunted the grieving parents | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
of an American war wero, Humayun Khan, a soldier killed | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
saving others in Iraq. Humayun's father had berated Trump | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
for his anti-Muslim policies, accusing him of being | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
unconstitutional and un-American. Trump turned his wrath | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
on Humayun's mother, who stood at her husband's side, | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
asking if she was gagged It was an extraordinary | :27:08. | :27:09. | |
fight to pick. I travelled to meet the Khans | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
at their home in Virginia to ask them what they thought | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
about Trump, now. It was and remains really | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
disheartening that such a rhetoric will have a place in the political | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
discourse of this country. But he uttered those threats, | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
not only to Muslim Americans He disrespected women | :27:34. | :27:40. | |
and their dignity. He disrespected judges | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
and their impartiality. All un-American, undemocratic | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
political rhetoric. The general population, | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
the majority of the population, is in support of Muslims | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
and other minorities. They are in support | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
of the constitutional Mrs Khan, Donald Trump singled | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
you out for criticism when you stood next to your husband | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
at the Democratic Convention, believing your silence | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
was because of your religion, First, I was really surprised | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
that he doesn't know They are as equal as their husbands | :28:15. | :28:23. | |
or their fathers and their brothers. I was quiet, I told him I was quiet | :28:24. | :28:35. | |
because of the situation. So I thought, if he can't feel | :28:36. | :28:47. | |
the pain that I was going through on the stage, | :28:48. | :28:58. | |
he can't feel anything, That we have lost a son, | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
we gave up a son to this country, So it was very much | :29:02. | :29:19. | |
a surprise for me. General Michael Flynn, who will be | :29:20. | :29:31. | |
Trump's security adviser, is a man who described Islam | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
as a vicious cancer. Your sense of what it will be like | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
to have a Cabinet with him in it? Time after time, this incoming | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
adviser to Trump has proven his ignorance, | :29:47. | :29:54. | |
unbecoming of a military officer. I am amazed that with this | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
ignorance, this individual was a general in the United States | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
Army. But I have full faith | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
in the patriotism of others that will surround him, | :30:08. | :30:14. | |
they will render him ineffective. Did Mr Trump ever apologise | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
to you for those comments? I don't need his apologies | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
because he's his type of person. I don't believe and I don't | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
expect anything from him. You don't ask these things | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
from people that don't have hearts. I don't feel that his apology | :30:32. | :30:41. | |
or his not apologising to me What do you expect | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
from his Presidency? I don't expect anything | :30:47. | :30:56. | |
from him or his Presidency. The office of the President | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
is an amazingly powerful, respectful I fully acknowledge its impact | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
on all but Trump was, had been and still is unqualified | :31:03. | :31:17. | |
to be the President He is an illegitimate President | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
of the United States. He did not win this election | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
by the majority popular vote. He won the election | :31:25. | :31:32. | |
because of the Electoral College. So the majority of the population | :31:33. | :31:34. | |
of this country is still The Khan family talking to me | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
earlier from their home in Virginia. a Muslim American journalist who's | :31:38. | :31:57. | |
written of her support for Trump. I wonder if you came in for a lot of | :31:58. | :32:06. | |
flak, supporting a man who many in the Muslim community have found to | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
be deeply offensive. I got a lot of flak that only from Muslims, but | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
also from fellow liberals and women. I was called names I have never | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
heard before from my own community and those outside of it, and | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
ultimately what I experienced is emblematic of this division that we | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
have in our society, both from the right and the left, and what I wish | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
people would do would be to come to the middle, where we see each | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
other's humanity. So gender politics was thrown at you and it shouldn't | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
have mattered? How do you explain what many people believed were | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
deeply offensive policies? What I believe we should try to do is be | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
the civility we want to see in the world, so if you want a gender | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
politics to be expressed... I said gender, I meant identity politics. | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
If you want to be treated respectfully, we must treat others | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
respectfully, and I cast my ballot for a politician who is very | :33:02. | :33:10. | |
indelicate in his language, he has no four play when he speaks to | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
people. He was trying to implement all spoke at one point about | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
implementing policies which would have stopped Muslim Americans from | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
coming into the country, how do you handle that? A lot of that was a | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
misrepresentation, he never said he would stop Muslim Americans from | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
coming into the country, there was never a conversation about a Muslim | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
registry, it was a very clear exit-entry registration programme | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
that the Bush administration put in place, that the Obama administration | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
had in place, but that does not sell hashtags. You didn't hear anything | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
different from Donald Trump two previous presidents? We had the same | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
kind of policy in place during the Bush administration, so this | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
incredulity is what led to a situation where we could not have | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
conversations, so even in the Muslim community, the liberal community, I | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
couldn't speak up, and so we had people like myself who were silent, | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
and we wouldn't speak, and so we cast our ballot, though, and that is | :34:17. | :34:24. | |
what I did. And now I am on a hit list among my fellow liberals, you | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
know, as somebody who has betrayed my nation... A hit list? What are | :34:28. | :34:35. | |
you saying, that they couldn't take your vote seriously? Right, look at | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
the politics that we are dealing with today, I mean, the idea that | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
Donald Trump is an illegitimate president basically says that those | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
of us who cast our vote for him are also illegitimate. So what this has | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
done to me, it has continued the divisiveness in our country, and I | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
think ultimately we have to respect the will of the people, and you can | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
have your politics, but as a lifelong Democrat, I am more | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
disappointed in the response that the Democrats have had in the months | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
since the election. I would love to hear how a lifelong Democrat went | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
for Donald Trump, but we have run out of time, thank you very much | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
indeed for joining us here. Before we go, it is a curious thing, but | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
here on Capitol Hill, it feels very silent right now, this is the heart | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
of government in America, of course, and there is barely a sold witching. | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
Why? Because all the action as by the Lincoln Memorial, the reflecting | :35:37. | :35:38. | |
pool, and you can probably see the pictures of thousands of Trump | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
supporters, thousands of people gathering to hear the bands. We | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
understand that Donald Trump and his wife are, if not amongst them, at | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
least enjoying the spectacle, looking on. This is part of the | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
celebrations on the before inauguration, and you can see there | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
have been a lot of people happy to come and take part in the | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
inauguration ceremonies, as they are kicking off this evening here in the | :36:06. | :36:07. | |
capital. That's just about it | :36:08. | :36:09. | |
from here in Washington tonight. Tomorrow, just before noon, | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President of | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
the United States on Capitol Hill. But for now, | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
back to Kirsty in London. What's happening in America | :36:17. | :36:24. | |
tomorrow is, for many, and perhaps a revolution | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
in global politics. Donald Trump won by winning | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
over many of his fellow Americans who felt left behind | :36:33. | :36:34. | |
by globalisation Similar concerns are being felt | :36:35. | :36:35. | |
in continental Europe - making the Front National's | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
Marine Le Pen a serious contender | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
for the Elysee in France. Chancellor Angela Merkel | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
is under pressure in Germany as are leaders in Italy, | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
the Netherlands and Austria. In the UK, Theresa May | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
set out her strategy the decision in part | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
a rejection of globalisation Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin - | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
sensing weakness in the West - extends his influence in | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
the Middle East and Eastern Europe. Michael Ignatieff, | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
the Canadian academic, writer and former politician, | :37:17. | :37:17. | |
is with me. Good evening. Do you see a line that | :37:18. | :37:30. | |
runs from Donald Trump through to Marine Le Pen, right on through to | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
Eastern Europe and Hungary? I think that the line I do see is fear, back | :37:36. | :37:43. | |
to globalisation. Globalisation is a very old story, we have been | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
globalising for four centuries, but as long as it was securely | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
controlled by our empires, we felt we could master globalisation. A lot | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
of the fear in the United States has spread to Britain, a sense that we | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
have lost control of globalisation, that it is now being powered by | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
China, it is being powered by Asia, and we have lost control of it, and | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
the minute we lose control of it, it begins to be threatening. You would | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
have heard Nigel Farage saying that he felt, had it not been for Brexit, | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
Donald Trump would not have won the election, what do you say to that? I | :38:19. | :38:25. | |
think he is smoking something. I mean, Nigel Farage is a very | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
brilliant politician, but radically overemphasising that. What I think | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
Brexit did is its dislodged the normal, its dislodged the usual and | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
created a space in which more unusual things could happen. But | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
let's not get into the view that this is kind of an irreversible | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
historical change we might be back in the autumn and Angela Merkel has | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
won the German election, and we will think very differently about the | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
shape of the history we are living. But the picture might be very | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
different in France, and I wonder, Theresa May talking today about | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
globalisation, we should worry about people being left behind, but this | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
feeling of powerlessness, the feeling that globalisation doesn't | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
work for everybody, she is talking to elites, what are they going to do | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
about it? In a sense, it is too late, the cat is out of the bag, you | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
cannot bottle it up again. No, you certainly cannot, and automation is | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
working right across our economies, governments can do... We saw that in | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
the film from America. Exactly. The contradiction is that Trump has | :39:38. | :39:45. | |
created a Cabinet of businessmen who are beneficiaries, they are the | :39:46. | :39:54. | |
elite. I think, what does a guy in Tennessee, in Kentucky, in | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
Pennsylvania, the working-class vote that supported Trump, what are they | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
going to get from this administration to protect them from | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
globalisation? Not then. And that, I think, lays that therefore an even | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
more violent disillusionment with politics. Well, let's bring that to | :40:15. | :40:21. | |
Europe, because your thesis would be that, actually, you can't have | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
democracy without sovereignty, and the best place to exercise that | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
sovereignty is in the nation state. People are disillusioned with the EU | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
because it has not given them control the way they want, not | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
giving them control of their borders, not given Germans control | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
of what is in their pocket, because it goes to Greece, who have not | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
taken a responsible attitude, the Germans would think. So there is | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
dysfunction about the whole notion of sovereignty at the heart of the | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
EU. Let's go back to the start, this red thread is fear of globalisation, | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
the responses, we have got to get democratic sovereignty back in | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
control - in the United States, Britain, and that is affecting the | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
cohesion of Europe, which had a different answer, which is we have | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
got to get beyond sovereignty. I think there is no question that we | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
are all coming back to the nation state and sovereignty, because it | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
gives us this sense of control. So do you think the EU is a busted | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
flush? It is terribly weak, but we might be back in seven months when | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
Merkel has won the election and Le Pen has lost the election and be | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
saying, the European Union has a new lease of life. But what I do think | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
is that everybody, everywhere, is thinking, I want to elect somebody | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
so that I can control my destiny. That is the red thread through all | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
of this, and that means... That means there are limits to what the | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
EU can do, they believe populist on more likely to do it, but populists | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
are simultaneously saying, we have got to get government off our back, | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
but you can't have it both ways - you can't offer the public | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
democratic control over conditions and then say, we are going to get | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
government off your back. You need given and to protect you from | :42:14. | :42:20. | |
globalisation. -- you need government. But someone like Marine | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
Le Pen might say, we are going to reinforce the idea of the nation | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
state by not having open borders, and that would be the logical | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
extension of the idea. The other thing presumably would be that we | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
have to reinforce the idea of a social contract, but people at the | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
lower end of the wage scale feel that the social contract has been | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
broken. Yes, and where I think the liberal elites, as it were, have | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
lost touch is just how little protection, real protection of and | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
give ordinary people down at the bottom of the pile. And you see it | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
in the United States. I mean, basically, millions of people have | :43:05. | :43:11. | |
been abandoned by their government and... Abandoned bilateral is. Yes, | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
abandoned by liberals, I am a proud liberal, but we need to take the rap | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
for that. That sense of nobody looking after me seems to be a very | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
deep red thread that cuts right across all the stories that we are | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
trying to pull together. But there is nothing that nation states can do | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
about global markets, global financial systems. We have seen what | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
happened in 2008, and nation state were powerless to do anything about | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
it - except retrospectively. We all want globalisation when it works for | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
us, when wages are rising, when we are working in competitive | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
industries, when it is raising our incomes. We all want protection from | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
globalisation when suddenly we are working in declining industries that | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
are no longer competitive. We want it both ways at once, and | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
governments struggle to respond to these contradictory impulses from | :44:06. | :44:07. | |
the public. Thank you very much. Before we go, as Washington, | :44:08. | :44:09. | |
DC gears up for the inauguration of America's 45th President, | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
here's a look back at some of the more memorable moments | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
from previous inaugurations. Unfortunately, there were | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
no cameras around These fireworks are going off right | :44:17. | :44:29. | |
now, the celebrations and the protests that we cannot see at the | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
moment in Washington tonight as they prepare for noon tomorrow when | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
This is Barack Obama's last night in the White House. And there is the | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
extended Donald Trump family, watching, standing there, looking | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
out, Mike Pence is there as well with his family. That is all we have | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
time for. We have a full and packed programme tomorrow, and we are going | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
out to see some of the more memorable moments from previous | :45:04. | :45:05. | |
inaugurations, so watch out, good night. | :45:06. | :45:06. | |
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. | :45:07. | :45:14. | |
Ask not what your country can do for you. | :45:15. | :45:16. | |
Ask what you can do for your country. | :45:17. | :45:29. | |
Government is not the solution to our problem. | :45:30. | :45:30. | |
I have spoken of a thousand points of light, | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
of all the community organisations that are spread | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
like stars throughout the nation, doing good. | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
We gather because we have chosen hope over fear. | :45:46. | :45:58. | |
Good evening. Another quiet weather day on Friday, with the usual of | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
this week, which is the hard frost in the south, patchy freezing fog, | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
also frost in the north too, but as you can | :46:11. | :46:11. |