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With Evan Davis. Political fireworks on day one of the Trump administration. Plus the government reveal their new industrial strategy, the lastest on Trident and Thomas Friedman.


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Donald Trump's press secretary pledges to "tell

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the facts as he knows them" - but berates the media for constantly

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Over and over again there's this constant attempt

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to undermine his creidbility and the movement he represents.

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And it's frustrating, for not just him but I think

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so many of us who are trying to get this message out.

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On his first day in office, the new president dumps

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What will this tell us about the direction

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Well, Trump says he wants to help the American worker.

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Over here, our own Government set out its ideas for Britain -

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The former Business Secretary, Lord Mandelson, and the current one,

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Also tonight, the Trident missile that went AWOL.

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We'll look at the political fallout.

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And Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, Thomas Friedman,

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If you engage with him too much, too often and too closely, he will

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actually suck your brains out, because he is such an indecent

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person, capable of such indiscreet behaviour.

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One year ago, before the New Hampshire primary,

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I asked Donald Trump, in person, what he would do

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"So many things," he told me, "You wont believe it."

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Well, that day - his first weekday in the White House - has come.

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Just before noon he signed an executive order formally

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withdrawing the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership.

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It was a campaign promise and a key tennet of his pledge to deglobalise,

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putting in his words, "America first".

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Our diplomatic editor, Mark Urban, looks at what Trump's first day

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tells us about a new direction for America.

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Back to work on a blowy, rainy morning for the people of this city.

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For the new President, after a weekend of political bluster, a day

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to demonstrate that the wind of change you porters had -- supporters

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had voted for had hit the White House. First one is withdrawals from

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the - of the United States from the trans-Pacific partnership. Everyone

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knows what that means, right? We've been talking about this for a long

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time. Mr Trump signed three executive orders today, stopping a

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Pacific trade deal, freezing government job recruitment and

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halting funding for abortion education overseas. That follows an

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earlier order to hobble the ObamaCare health programme, all

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these address campaign promises, but hardly yet in a spectacular way.

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That's it. I think it's important to recover from what was a really

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terrible opening weekend as President of the United States,

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where Donald Trump was worrying about how the media was reporting

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the crowd sizes of his inauguration. I think that signing these executive

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orders is, among other things, to send the signal that yes, he is

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going to focus on the priorities that got him located. Also --

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elected, and also on some issues that are not about him. There were

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dozens of campaign trail promises that were supposed to happen today.

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From starting construction of that beautiful wall on the Mexican

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border, to the deportation of millions of illegal immigrants and

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the labelling of China as a currency manipulator. Well, today was the day

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that all of that got watered down by the reality of Washington, both

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having to deal with foreign governments and, more importantly,

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building up a rapport with Republicans on the Hill to get some

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of this stuff enacted. On the Hill, as the business of vetting a Trump

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administration continues slowly but surely, many Republicans are working

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out which parts of Trump's aJane athey can -- agenda they can help to

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vote through and which ones they simply can't support. It will be

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interesting to see the first time the Republican Congress or parts of

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the Republican Congress run into conflict with him. And surely, there

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will be those times. I think when you look at a policy that is so

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stridently anti-free trade, that is something that will bother some

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Republicans, without question. On the issue of infrastructure

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spending, the notion that we would spend $1 trillion that would be

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unpaid for will be very difficult for some fiscal conservatives to

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swallow. And will to the best of my ability... As this work gets under

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way, though, team Trump is continuing to fire salvos at the

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media, over the number of people who attended the inauguration and an ill

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tempered die tribe from the President's secretary on Saturday --

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press secretary on Saturday. The thing I found most disturbing was

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that he spews a bunch of falsehoods and turns to the reporters in the

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room and says, "This is what you should be reporter and covering." I

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cannot think of at least in the time that I've been in Washington, anyone

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ever standing there and lecturing the press, any government official,

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and telling them, this is what you cover. At today's first formal White

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House press conference, he returned to the attack. Over and over again,

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there's this constant attempt to undermine his credibility and the

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movement that he represents. It's frustrating for not just him, but

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for so many of us who are trying to work to get this message out. Down

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pours seem fitting for a day when the President showed he'll have to

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obey certain laws of politics and the news media learned that it will

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be shown no quarter, less a bright new dawn, more welcome to the swamp.

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Earlier, I spoke to the former candidate for the Democratic

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You'll remember him as Hillary Clinton's main challenger for the

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Democratic nomination. He doesn't share much in common with Donald

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Trump, but they do share a certain view on anti-globalisation. So I

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asked him what he made of the cancellation of such a major trade

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deal today. The current trade policies that we have, which

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include-and-a-half that and trade relations -- Nafta and trade

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relations will be China will be a problem. We have lost millions of

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decent paying jobs. I campaigned very strongly against the TPP and

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I'm glad that Trump followed through and has gotten us out that of that

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-- of that. If he's going to be honest with the American people, he

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has to withdraw his manufacturing in countries like Mexico and Bangladesh

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and Turkey and China, where he's paying very low wages. If he wants

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to be honest with the American people, when he says buy American,

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hire American, he's got to bring those jobs back to the United

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States. For America's allies, that word "withdraw" is critical. A lot

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of people are looking at Donald Trump and saying is he going to pull

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America away from the rest of the world. He may want to do that, but

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that's not my view. We need to maintain and strengthen our contacts

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with people all over the world. I'd rather have people sitting around

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the table arguing with each other rather than going to war. Climate

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change is a planetary crisis in which we've got to work together.

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The exploitation of children and women is a global crisis. We've got

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to work together. I think trying to develop good trade policies for the

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people of our country and around the world does not mean, to me, that we

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should withdraw from the world or not play an active role in United

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Nations or other bodies. What do you think of the words about America

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first and he talked about America's carnage in the inauguration address.

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That's the language used by isolationists in the 1920s. It's not

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language I'm sympathetic to. We are living in an increasingly small

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world. It is important that countries work together in every way

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possible. If it's America first, then it's the UK first, then it's

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China first, then it's Japan first. I think we need international

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cooperation to make sure that we have a world at peace, a world in

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which we effectively combat climate change and deal with so many of the

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other serious problems facing our planet. Theresa May becomes the

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first leader to meet Donald Trump. She's hoping for a trade deal with

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him. How outward looking do you think Donald Trump will be with

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other countries? I can't predict, I honestly can't predict. But the

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United States is the most powerful nation on earth. We have got to work

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with countries all over the world to address the very serious crises

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facing our planet. Senator Bernie Sanders. Joining me now Republican

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strategy Ron Christie and Molly Ball. This was a day with such huge

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expectations, the weight of all that was going to be done, how did it add

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up? Several things happened today. In policy terms it was significant

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that President Trump issued some executive orders, starting to

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actually implement some of his policy agenda. On the other hand you

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had his press secretary do a do-over press conference, seeming to want to

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atone for the disastrous press conference he gave on Saturday,

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where he said a lot of things which were plainly not true and stuck a

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thumb in the eye of the American media, still a very combative and

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antagonistic press conference, but clearly trying to make amends. You

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have an administration that is still finding its footing, that is behind

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the curve in a lot of ways, that is not enjoying a conventional

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honeymoon. You have Trump seeming to want to govern very much the way he

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campaigned. That is the point. Where was the honeymoon. It got off to a

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rocky start, not just the press conference, the CIA discussion at

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the weekend. Was this a chance to reset all of that opening? I think

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so. Molly's right. You notice that there's already a do-over, some of

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the statements they've made and comments that they've said for the

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last couple days. They need to recognise now they're no longer

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campaigning. The campaign is over. The most difficult thing that I

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found walking in 16 years ago, on day one of an administration, how do

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we do this, how do we translate what we said to the American people -

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You're supporting the Trump administration now. When he pulls

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out the global trade deals and antiabortion legislation, do you

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cheer? I don't. But I go by policy and what the President said he would

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do and how he's acted. I think pulling out of TPP was a mistake.

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This is something that President Obama negotiated in good faith with

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several other nations. I think it would have helped American business

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and workers. He said no, I'm going to pull out. I don't agree with

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that. That was his decision This is something that Trump has been

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consistent about both in the campaign and in his inaugural

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address. It was a dark and divisive address, but a declaration of war on

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both parties. Have you him doing things now that are in line with

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conventional conservative doctrine, like abortion. Something like trade,

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that is something that someone like Bernie Sanders is more sympathetic.

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Instead of a declaration of war, you say this is what the American people

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have voted for. He doesn't care about party politics. He wants to

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talk to the people who voted him in. That's what he's done consistently.

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That is exactly the way he and his team see it. The question is - how

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big a group is that and is that going to be effective? I think

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people voted for Trump because they thought he might be able to, because

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he is so unconventional finally get something done in Washington. They

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see the gridlock in Washington as a bipartisan problem and they'd like

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him to overcome as a businessman. If he runs up against the reality of

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governing and can't make the wheels turn, here in the Senate, where we

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are on Capitol Hill, that is going to make people disappointed in him.

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It's been difficult for him to get the team through. This was a point

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Sean Spicer made that people he thought would be OK, like Mike

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Pompeo of the CIA had that stopped from going through. Are we going to

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see the same sense of gridlock now? I do. It's typical. The minority

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leader of the United States Senate wields a lot of power in being able

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to hold up some of the nominees that President Trump wants to puts into

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office. It's the usual horse trading. This is only a marker, a

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spot for negotiation for the Democrats and the new

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administration. Dot Democrats have an obligation to say look, we may

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not like this man, we disagree with lot he's doing, but cannot afford to

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have a system, an administration that simply doesn't function for

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another eight years? Without taking a side on what they sought to do,

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the Democrats haven't really decided what to do as a matter of strategy.

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You're talking about a delay of a few days. But the Democrats cannot

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have the ability nor do they have the willingness to actually stop any

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of these Cabinet nominees. So far, it looks like they're all going to

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get through, which would be a remarkable thing for any President.

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They started out behind. They weren't up to date on a lot of the

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paperwork when they started. It does look like the entire Cabinet will be

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confirmed. Then it will be on to things like the Supreme Court and

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trying to find a replacement for ObamaCare. Those will be huge

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battles for this administration. Great to have you here. We will hear

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more about the Supreme Court and the immigration measures later in the

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week, now back to you. For several decades now,

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Britain has been restrained in its ambitions for any kind

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of industrial policy. We got this Government's first big

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statement on it today, a Green Paper called

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Building Our Industrial Strategy. The mere fact of it is a big change,

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but what about the contents? The chapter on energy

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policy, for example, Two are reviews, one

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is a roadmap and one But there is real

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material in there too. Thank you, Mr Speaker. This is a

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hugely important moment for the United Kingdom, a moment where we

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must prepare a new strategy to earn a prosperous living in the years

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ahead. We have had government policies for industry before. They

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were given a sendoff by new cabinet boy Harold Wilson. It didn't end

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well. Instead of successfully picking winners, we ended up

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desperately trying to save losers. Has the government now come up with

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something effective and different? The background is an extraordinarily

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large imbalance in the economy. On the latest figures for the value of

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output per head, London is at over ?43,000, the average for the UK is

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?25,000, and at the bottom is Wales on ?18,000. The broad problem is

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this. A successful industry is a collection of players, a key

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manufacturer, suppliers, the workforce. One company on its own

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may not be viable, but a whole cluster in a region may be world

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beating. But how on earth do you kick-start a cluster? It's like the

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familiar problem of getting the dancing going at a party. By 10pm,

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everybody wants to dance, but nobody wants to go first and be alone on

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the dance floor. This provides a case for some coordination, industry

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talking shops and the Government is on board. It is promoting so-called

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sector deals to give leadership in different areas. It is actually what

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Vince Cable did in the aerospace industry. The goal is to plant a few

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seeds and watch forests grow. There is a lot more in

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the Green Paper, notably on skills, and a new Institutes of Technology

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to upgrade vocational training. Peter Mandelson held

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a number of Cabinet posts, including being Secretary of State

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for Trade and Industry. Good evening. What is your reaction

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to the Green paper? I welcome it. Is it new? I think it has the potential

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to be new. What is important about it is that it does actually

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represent an attempt, finally, to bury Mrs Thatcher's purely

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market-driven philosophy. The reason why that is important is I think it

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provides the basis for cross-party agreement, a consensus which is

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important if industrial strategy is going to endure and work in the

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future. Really to work, it doesn't have to just be good, it has to be

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truly transformative. Transformative and our ability to innovate and

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commercialise our science space, to transform our skill raising in this

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country, not just for those at university, but for the other half

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of the young population but do not go to university, but also it has to

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be transformative in our ability to make available patient long-term

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finance for start-up and growing companies. I am trying to work out

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if it is new or just a continuation of the same. Was yours

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transformative? In which case, this is transformative and a

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continuation? Well, I think if it had... If it had more than two

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years? What is the active ingredient of a transformative one? Culture

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change, legislative changes? It is certainly not more money, you never

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did that either? Well, we did, and Scale matters, resources matter.

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More resources, money and power, should be transferred from the

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centre to the regions. I think that is a very important feature of a

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successful industrial strategy in the future. What is important, and

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let me give an example. Towards the end of my time as Business

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Secretary, I borrowed from Germany a rather interesting concept of

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institutes. They were mechanisms, institutes for taking out, spinning

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out research and development, what was going on inside universities,

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putting it into the private sector and commercialising it. I pushed

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this through in the last months of the Labour government. It was one of

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the things that the incoming coalition government embraced. They

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rechristened it, they became catapults, I think they claimed a

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lot of credit for themselves, fine. But they lived on. What I would hope

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the new government does is look at what works in these catapults and

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say, right, how can we roll out what works, what is best, how can we

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reform and strengthen what doesn't? At a party, I'm interested to look

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back on what you didn't do and what mistakes you might have made, do you

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think you neglected to the north? It's interesting that phrase

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Northern Powerhouse is a phrase associated with George Osborne, the

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Conservative Government in particular. We didn't ignore it, we

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did one thing that was wrong, in my view. We have regional development

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agencies. We now have local enterprise partnerships. In the case

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of our agencies, we put a shed load of money into the regions, but we

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didn't create the point of decision making fun of accountability, that I

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think local enterprise partnerships... That the Northern

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Powerhouse is trying to do. We had money, but we didn't have local

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power, accountability, and I think they are important. Another

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potential mistake, did you try to send too many people to university?

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Absolutely not. Now it is more about skills and vocational skills, rather

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than degrees? No. We were absolutely right to widen opportunities for

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those that wanted to go to universities, not just straight from

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school but from colleges, further education, following different

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routes into university. What we now need to do is to create the

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equivalent excellence in the technical education, the skill

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raising, that we create for the other 50%. That is what I would like

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to see happen now. Not conceding that as a mistake? I need to ask you

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about trade. We have heard a lot about it from Emily in the States.

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Sean Spicer, this spiky spokesman, was announcing today the edict that

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Trump is fine with trade deals, as long as they are bilateral,

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one-on-one. He doesn't want big multilateral ones. He's fine with

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trade deals as long as America gets its own way! I was going to ask,

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what significance is there in a distinction between bilateral and

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multilateral? Well, is Nafta, the agreement between the United States,

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Canada and Mexico, a great multilateral agreement? It's not. Mr

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Trump wants to get his own way. He wants trade negotiations to result

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in the American way or no way. The point about America is that it is

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such a big economy, such a powerful country, that when it is negotiating

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with smaller or weaker economies and countries, it can often get its own

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way. This is the question I want to ask... We had better watch out in

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our own negotiation, it is very easy to start a trade negotiation and

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then finish it at a low level of ambition, it is basically a

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political agreement, for it to be truly substantive, and not just

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overt trade but to create new trade, that is heavy lifting. That's really

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heavy lifting, as the British Government will find when it starts

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negotiating, as I hope it will do, with the United States. I suspect

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what the outcome will be is the United States saying, right, we can

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deal with the tariffs, minor matters, it is really the

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regulations and the regulatory differences in structures between us

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and the Americans that will count. What they are going to say at the

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end of the day is that, you comply with our regulatory approach, and

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standards, and trade will be open. That will create a big choice for

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us. The more we comply with America, the greater the distance we create

:23:18.:23:21.

between ourselves and our biggest, effectively our home market, the

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European market. Lord Mandelson, famous Remainer, of course, saying

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that. Greg Clark is the Secretary

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of State for Business, Would you concede that your party

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has neglected this area, that it has made a mistake in overlooking the

:23:41.:23:44.

power of industrial activism? I don't think we have overlooked it

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for some of the reasons Peter said. The catapults, for example, have

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been a great success in particular sectors, automotive being a case in

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point, where a number of businesses have got together and, with the

:23:57.:24:01.

government, have put together research institutes that have built

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their reputation for excellence. You, yourself, mention the

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devolution we have had to the Northern Powerhouse, the city we

:24:09.:24:13.

negotiated to create mares that are going to be elected in cities right

:24:14.:24:18.

across the country. -- Mayors. These have been very important points. Get

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me to the point, is what we are hearing today a new break with the

:24:24.:24:26.

past, in which case it would imply something was wrong with the past,

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or a friendly nudge along a trajectory that we have already been

:24:31.:24:38.

on, which might imply it is to be as successful as the past years? I

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think it is a break with the past of industrial strategies as they first

:24:43.:24:45.

came to be thought in the 1970s, when it was about identifying

:24:46.:24:49.

particular industries, often big players in those industries, getting

:24:50.:24:53.

them in around the table and usually transferring public money. That

:24:54.:24:56.

didn't work. It's not the approach we should take. It should be the

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opposite. One of the strengths of our economy now, modern economy, is

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that we have a reputation, justified, for being open to

:25:05.:25:08.

competition, where people are challenged. There is no quarter

:25:09.:25:13.

given to incumbents when you have an insurgent competitor. That is an

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important aspect. In a sentence, is there a big idea in your industrial

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policy? This is the Greg Clark doctrine that defines industrial

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policy? There was a lot in there, but it was quite small beer? There

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are three challenges... No, those are the challenges, it is the

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policy, not the difficulties, the way that the world has changed, the

:25:40.:25:43.

actual stuff that we do? The policies refer to different

:25:44.:25:47.

challenges. Let me give you an example. Skills trading, what was in

:25:48.:25:53.

your package, we fall behind, we are falling further behind competitors

:25:54.:25:56.

in the level of technical education and qualifications that we have. It

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is something that has characterised the British economy for a long time.

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But it seems clear if you want to earn our living in the future,

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importantly, if you want to close the gap between the top performers

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and the companies, places and people in the middle, having good technical

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skills is vital. As a very clear, central focus of our policy in the

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years ahead, we want to do all we can, both in creating new

:26:27.:26:31.

institutions, making sure the individuals, whether through school

:26:32.:26:36.

and beyond... Transformative? Absolutely, it can make a big

:26:37.:26:41.

difference, not just to productivity, but to prosperity.

:26:42.:26:45.

Productivity, which comes from the ability to have skills, translate

:26:46.:26:47.

into earning power, which is important for the quality of life. I

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asked Lord Mandelson if it was a mistake to try to get so many people

:26:52.:26:55.

to go to university. Would you say it is a mistake to try to get 50%?

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Was it a mistake, actually, to sweep up polytechnics and put them into

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university status? We kind of took out a layer that was most

:27:10.:27:12.

vocational? The fact that people can go to university now who would have

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dreamt of it before, but the places were rationed and they were denied a

:27:16.:27:18.

place, more people from disadvantaged backgrounds go to

:27:19.:27:21.

university now than ever before. That is a good thing and the

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reputation of our university system is one of excellence. I do think

:27:25.:27:29.

that we didn't pay enough attention to alternatives to university. Other

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countries, Germany being an important case in point, has a

:27:34.:27:38.

prestige attached to having technical qualifications. We know

:27:39.:27:43.

that employers have vacancies now in roles that require technical

:27:44.:27:45.

qualifications. It was something we should have done as well as making

:27:46.:27:51.

opportunities available in universities. What is striking is

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how these conversations come back time after time. How long have we

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been sitting saying that we need more vocational skills? 1946, is

:27:59.:28:05.

that when they first started saying that? I can remember these

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conversations and nothing has ever quite been transformed. I just

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wonder if you have cracked it this time or... I think we have to do.

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One of the reasons we have published a Green Paper is it's important if

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you have a strategy it has to endure. Peter mentioned the

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proposals he put forward didn't last very long, because he wasn't there

:28:27.:28:30.

to champion them. I think it is important that you build a strong

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consensus, you do this with businesses, you do this with

:28:37.:28:41.

employees and employers. As you say, there is a great recognition that

:28:42.:28:45.

this is long overdue. I think now is the time you need to make this

:28:46.:28:49.

transformation and this is an opportunity, especially in the

:28:50.:28:53.

context of Brexit, to be bold and say this is overdue and we are going

:28:54.:28:59.

to make the change. You posited today as a post-Brexit plant,

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everything in there we could do in the EU or out of the EU... Or have

:29:05.:29:10.

we gained opportunities in this area as a result of Brexit? The first

:29:11.:29:15.

thing to say is it is a set of policies we want to do anyway. You

:29:16.:29:20.

need to look forward and look at the strengths of the British economy,

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project them forward, but look at things like technical training. I

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think there are opportunities when it comes to public procurement, for

:29:28.:29:32.

example, there is a vast bureaucracy that often excludes small businesses

:29:33.:29:35.

from competing for Government contracts because of the scale of

:29:36.:29:41.

the red tape you go through. That is one area in which I think you can

:29:42.:29:44.

lighten the load on small business, very important to have this

:29:45.:29:50.

competitive, contestable economy. Greg Clark, thank you very much, and

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Lord Mandelson, thank you both. One Trident missile,

:29:53.:29:54.

that took off on a course of its own back in June,

:29:55.:29:56.

has given Theresa May one of her Yesterday, she obfuscated

:29:57.:30:00.

on whether she knew Today, she admitted

:30:01.:30:03.

she did know about it. What we know is that

:30:04.:30:06.

the Trident-armed submarine HMS Vengeance underwent what is known

:30:07.:30:08.

as a demonstration and shakedown Then, yesterday, it was reported

:30:09.:30:11.

that one of its test The Prime Minister was

:30:12.:30:18.

reluctant to acknowledge There are tests that take place

:30:19.:30:22.

all the time, regularly, Her reticence may reflect

:30:23.:30:28.

the fact that, within weeks of the Florida test,

:30:29.:30:35.

Parliament was asked to vote on renewing

:30:36.:30:37.

the UK's Trident programme. A failed test might have been useful

:30:38.:30:42.

ammunition in the debate. Today, opposition politicians

:30:43.:30:47.

demanded to know whether there Contrary to reports in the weekend

:30:48.:30:49.

press, HMS Vengeance and her crew were successfully tested

:30:50.:30:56.

and certified as ready to rejoin We do not comment on the details

:30:57.:30:59.

of submarine operations. Our political editor,

:31:00.:31:12.

Nick Watt, was watching Fill us in on everything we know as

:31:13.:31:24.

to what happened. I've been told that something did go wrong off the

:31:25.:31:31.

coast of Florida last June, but it was not catastrophic. The Government

:31:32.:31:37.

has had a tricky 36 hours or rather not explaining in public what

:31:38.:31:41.

happened. We have to look across the Atlantic to find out. There was a

:31:42.:31:44.

report on CNN this afternoon. They quoted a US defence official as

:31:45.:31:48.

saying that this Trident missile test did end in failure, but that

:31:49.:31:52.

when that happened standard procedures kicked in and essentially

:31:53.:31:57.

the missile autodestructed, it blew itself up and it changed its course

:31:58.:32:00.

from heading towards the West Coast of Africa to head back towards the

:32:01.:32:07.

US. The UK Government appears to be using that success of that emergency

:32:08.:32:13.

procedure to say there was no malfunction. They are saying the

:32:14.:32:16.

missile did what it was supposed to do. At the end of this entire

:32:17.:32:22.

testing process, the crew and that submarine were certified as

:32:23.:32:26.

successful and HMS Vengeance is now back at the sea. Nice of the

:32:27.:32:29.

Americans to tell us what happened with our missile. Where do you think

:32:30.:32:35.

this leaves Theresa May? Ministers are bullish about Trident and

:32:36.:32:38.

Theresa May's performance. Some Tories are saying this hasn't been a

:32:39.:32:43.

great 36 hours. Julian Lewis, the Conservative chairman of the Commons

:32:44.:32:46.

Defence Select Committee, the most ardent supporter of Trident who says

:32:47.:32:50.

it should be shrouded in secrecy said, "We need a Franker account for

:32:51.:32:53.

the Government." There are some Tories who are saying that the Prime

:32:54.:32:59.

Minister's prchs on Sunday when she didn't answer those questions was

:33:00.:33:02.

unconfident and evasive and a more agile response from the Prime

:33:03.:33:05.

Minister might have avoided such a big row. But it is important to say,

:33:06.:33:10.

a nuclear deterrent only works when your adversary thinks you can

:33:11.:33:13.

annihilate them. Ministers say if you have open commentary about

:33:14.:33:16.

weaknesses you are only playing into the hands of your adversaries.

:33:17.:33:17.

Thanks very much. The American group Liberty Media

:33:18.:33:21.

completed their takeover of the sport - and this

:33:22.:33:24.

is the really big one - they replaced Bernie Ecclestone

:33:25.:33:27.

as chief executive. Yes, the man who has been running

:33:28.:33:33.

Formula One for decades has now been pushed upstairs,

:33:34.:33:36.

to become chairman emeritus. I'm joined by one of the most expert

:33:37.:33:49.

journalists on the subject of Formula One, very good to talk to

:33:50.:33:52.

you. What's happened, what's going on, why did he go? Essentially,

:33:53.:33:58.

these new owners, Liberty Media are looking to really start a new dawn

:33:59.:34:03.

for Formula One. They've made probably the most significant change

:34:04.:34:06.

and riskiest change you could make to the sport. They didn't take long

:34:07.:34:11.

over it. No. How fine a fettle is the sport in at the moment? It has

:34:12.:34:17.

its ups and downs. Is it in an up or down? It's in a pretty precarious

:34:18.:34:21.

place. Normally you have the situation where you have 11 teams.

:34:22.:34:25.

The teams are in trouble. One of them recently went bankrupt Manor,

:34:26.:34:30.

based in the Midlands. So that's not good. The other ten that remain are

:34:31.:34:34.

in stable shape. With the circuits, Silverstone, which is home to the

:34:35.:34:37.

British Grand Prix is well documented to be in a spot of

:34:38.:34:43.

bother. There is a race in Malaysia looking to leave, Singapore looking

:34:44.:34:46.

to leave. The races provide the second largest, close to the largest

:34:47.:34:51.

source of revenue for Formula One, basically around a third of its 1. 7

:34:52.:34:58.

billion turnover. How will history journalling Bernie Ecclestone? Did

:34:59.:35:02.

he stay too long? The thing with him is that he really built up Formula

:35:03.:35:07.

One from an enthusiast's sport into the world's most watched annual

:35:08.:35:10.

sporting series. He signed virtually all the deals that bring in the

:35:11.:35:14.

revenue. He's 86. You would have thought they could have kept him on

:35:15.:35:19.

just to see out his tenure rather than the gamble of replacing them.

:35:20.:35:27.

You're a Bernie fan. They've given him chairman emeritus. He's hands on

:35:28.:35:34.

with the deals really, broadcasting, races, it's a big gamble. Thanks

:35:35.:35:35.

very much. One of the most celebrated

:35:36.:35:37.

and articulate prophets of globalisation is the New York Times

:35:38.:35:39.

columnist Thomas Freidman. He specialises in finding

:35:40.:35:41.

simple theories to explain the complexities of the world,

:35:42.:35:43.

and with a lot to explain at the moment, he's just come

:35:44.:35:46.

up with a new book - It describes how three forces

:35:47.:35:49.

are accelerating the processes that drive our lives -

:35:50.:35:53.

technology, globalisation and climate change -

:35:54.:35:56.

explaining, well, everything. He's a three-time Pulitzer

:35:57.:36:02.

Prize-winning journalist, I sat down with him earlier to talk

:36:03.:36:04.

about, well, everything. You get that much acceleration,

:36:05.:36:11.

you get a lot of phenomena at once. For instance, in America,

:36:12.:36:14.

or northern England, I suspect, in the Midlands,

:36:15.:36:17.

a lot of people lately, because it draws a lot of people together,

:36:18.:36:21.

they went to the grocery store and there was someone wearing

:36:22.:36:24.

a different head covering. In American terms, it

:36:25.:36:27.

wasn't a baseball cap. Really good by me, but maybe

:36:28.:36:30.

odd for some people. Then they went to the men's room

:36:31.:36:34.

and, lately, there seemed to be someone of a different gender

:36:35.:36:37.

at the stall next door. I happen to welcome

:36:38.:36:40.

that, LGBT rights. But that came very fast

:36:41.:36:43.

for a lot of people. Then they went to work,

:36:44.:36:46.

and somebody rolled up a robot next to them that seems to be

:36:47.:36:49.

studying their job. So if you think what anchors

:36:50.:36:52.

people in the world, where they live, where they work,

:36:53.:36:54.

who they associate with, there has been a lot of tumult

:36:55.:36:58.

in all of those areas as a result Now, Trump, President

:36:59.:37:02.

of the United States. Many would say he has

:37:03.:37:09.

been put there to slow down these accelerations

:37:10.:37:12.

of what your book is concerned. Do you think Trump can slow

:37:13.:37:15.

this down, can stop it? So, my three accelerations,

:37:16.:37:18.

they are like a hurricane. Trump I believe, is selling

:37:19.:37:21.

a wall to the hurricane. What my book is selling is an eye,

:37:22.:37:24.

an eye that moves with the storm, draws energy from it,

:37:25.:37:27.

but creates a platform of dynamic stability in it,

:37:28.:37:30.

where people can feel connected, You are the personification

:37:31.:37:33.

of the global elite. You are travelling everywhere,

:37:34.:37:37.

you write about globalisation. Do you acknowledge that you,

:37:38.:37:40.

personally, didn't do enough to talk about helping the whole population

:37:41.:37:45.

living in the eye of these storms of these great accelerations,

:37:46.:37:48.

as opposed to just getting on with it and forgetting

:37:49.:37:50.

that there were lots of people that maybe weren't as enthusiastic

:37:51.:37:53.

about it as you? If you read my books,

:37:54.:37:55.

there isn't a book, whether it is Lexus

:37:56.:37:59.

and the Olive Tree, World is Flat, this book, That Used To Be Us,

:38:00.:38:02.

that I wrote a few years ago, that didn't make

:38:03.:38:05.

the very simple case. Globalisation is everything

:38:06.:38:07.

and its opposite. It's incredibly empowering,

:38:08.:38:11.

it can be disempowering. It creates opportunities,

:38:12.:38:13.

it is also very authoritarian. My whole argument, all along,

:38:14.:38:16.

was that you got to get the best out I never wrote a book that

:38:17.:38:19.

wasn't about exactly that, about safety nets, education,

:38:20.:38:23.

retooling, reskilling You spent a lot of your career

:38:24.:38:26.

covering and being involved It is obviously another area,

:38:27.:38:31.

quite apart from globalisation and all the other things we be

:38:32.:38:35.

talking about, where Donald Trump appears to be marking quite a big

:38:36.:38:37.

change to previous regimes. Israel appears emboldened,

:38:38.:38:42.

to some extent, by the arrival What is your view about

:38:43.:38:46.

what is going on in So, Donald Trump is the first man

:38:47.:38:51.

to win the American presidency with only one sentence,

:38:52.:38:57.

basically, on every issue. His paragraph on Israel, basically,

:38:58.:38:59.

is I'm going to move their embassy, in Tel Aviv, to Jerusalem,

:39:00.:39:06.

and acknowledge that was the capital, even though it's

:39:07.:39:09.

in dispute and we've never done that Basically, to give

:39:10.:39:12.

Israel carte blanche. That means, basically,

:39:13.:39:16.

encouraging Israel to go from a two-state solution

:39:17.:39:18.

to a one-state solution. Here's what Trump

:39:19.:39:20.

doesn't understand. Here's why that is

:39:21.:39:22.

incredibly reckless. As long as the debate

:39:23.:39:25.

within Israel and the broader, global world Jewish community

:39:26.:39:28.

was over two states, then it was a debate

:39:29.:39:31.

between left and right. You think the line should be here,

:39:32.:39:33.

I think it should be there. It was a debate

:39:34.:39:37.

between left and right. When you go from a two-state

:39:38.:39:38.

solution to a one-state solution, A South African Israel,

:39:39.:39:41.

or a democratic Jewish Israel? When that happens, you will blow up

:39:42.:39:45.

every synagogue, every Jewish Because that debate will rip apart

:39:46.:39:50.

the entire Jewish community. So, what's your advice

:39:51.:39:57.

to members of that community? Friends don't let

:39:58.:40:01.

friends drive drunk. Right now, in my view,

:40:02.:40:06.

the Israeli right that's governing And America did the kindest thing,

:40:07.:40:09.

Obama did the kindest thing it can to a friend that is driving drunk,

:40:10.:40:14.

that was to try to sober them up. How do you think the press should

:40:15.:40:18.

react to Donald Trump? Well, I'm a columnist,

:40:19.:40:22.

I fortunately just now write one column a week,

:40:23.:40:24.

instead of two, which is really If you engage with him too much,

:40:25.:40:27.

too often, and too closely, he will actually suck

:40:28.:40:31.

your brains out. He is such an indecent person,

:40:32.:40:33.

capable of such indiscreet behaviour, that you can totally get

:40:34.:40:37.

caught up covering His differentiation between truth

:40:38.:40:43.

and fiction is just constantly My philosophy is watch his

:40:44.:40:54.

hands, not his lips. Always just watch what he's

:40:55.:41:01.

doing, and focus on that. If Democrats, if liberal Republicans

:41:02.:41:05.

who opposed him wanted to feed him, they'd better not lose the signal

:41:06.:41:09.

in the noise. The signal is this guy

:41:10.:41:12.

came out of nowhere, he won the Republican nomination,

:41:13.:41:14.

he won the presidency and he won it by connecting at the gut

:41:15.:41:18.

level with a significant If liberals, liberal

:41:19.:41:20.

Republicans and Democrats, don't figure out their own way

:41:21.:41:25.

to connect up the gut level of those people,

:41:26.:41:28.

we have eight years of this 9am, that's when the Supreme Court

:41:29.:41:47.

give their verdict on the Article 50 case. I suspect we'll be talking

:41:48.:41:51.

about it tomorrow evening. Good night.

:41:52.:42:01.

Good evening. Another wintry night out there. Areas of frost and fog in

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particular. The fog causing most of the issues. Warnings in force from

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the Met Office. Most of England and east Wales can be

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