'The Martin McGuinness I Knew' Newsnight

He took the long road from IRA commander to Deputy First Minister

At the end of the day it will be the cutting edge of the IRA that will

bring freedom. People look at me in

the round and they know that in my younger days I was

involved with the IRA but they also know that I've been at the heart

of the peace process for over Political leaders from across

Britain, America and Ireland have praised Martin McGuinness's

contribution to peace. In a way his intrinsic nature never

changed from the time he was in the Bogside to the time

he was the Deputy First Minister. But what peace is there

for the families of innocent I'll be talking to a man whose

father took a bullet And what now for the

Republican movement. Is Martin McGuinness's dream

of a united Ireland getting closer? Finally we won a big tax cut but we

can't do that until we keep our promise to repeal and replace the

disaster known as ObamaCare. Emily goes in search of the next

American health system. TrumpCare is moving

in the right direction. They're saying, it was too

high, a lot of people And we continue our pastoral care

series helping Remoaners Now that we are leaving we can

at least have an honest conversation about who we want to come

here and how we treat So with my glass half

full here's to Brexit. The death of Martin McGuinness,

from a rare heart condition, has aroused mixed emotions among

former Prime Ministers, political opponents in Northern Ireland

and the families of IRA victims. He travelled a long way from a job

in a butcher's shop in Derry, to IRA Commander in the city,

to a key architect of Northern Ireland's peace,

and finally a decade as Deputy First Minister

of Northern Ireland, but along that way many innocent

people were murdered. From Tony Blair to John Major

to Theresa May, the consensus is that without him

the Good Friday Agreement The Queen, whom he praised

for her contribution to peace, has sent a personal message

to his family. Bill Clinton said that he believed

in a shared future, and refused However, for many families

of the IRA's victims, the past is ever present and some

do not even know where In a moment I'll be speaking

to Austin Stack, whose father But first Jonathan Powell

was the Government's chief negotiator on Northern Ireland

from 1997 under Tony Blair. When he first met the IRA leader

in October of that year Many years later he invited

Martin McGuinness to his wedding. Martin McGuinness's life

was an extraordinary journey. As far as the Provisional

IRA is concerned the fight will go on until

the four demands are met. To hard-line politician

in the 1980s. At the end of the day

it will be the cutting edge of the IRA which

will bring freedom. To uncompromising

negotiator in the 1990s. Well, we are not going to give

them their new Stormont. And finally Deputy First Minister

sharing power with his For over 40 years he was

at the centre of the The Troubles, as leader

of the Derry Brigade, IRA chief of staff and head

of Northern Command. But ultimately he helped bring

the violence to an end. I spent a decade negotiating peace

with Martin McGuinness. The first time I met him,

like most people, I saw a terrorist. When I left government

I invited him to my And now he's gone I think we're

in danger of underestimating Derry today is a beautiful

city at peace. But in the early 1970s

it was at the centre of a bloody war between the IRA

and the British Army. Denis Bradley was a local Catholic

priest trying to keep He had the looks and the charms

and the ability to go places where other people

perhaps didn't go. That gave him confidence,

it gave him an insight, and then he discovered that he wasn't too bad at

it, that he was as good as the rest at it, and perhaps even better,

that he had a natural instinct for There was no argument about

whether he was an IRA man or not. He was highly respected

among the hard men, and the harder they were the more

respect they had for him. So he was certainly

on the tough side of the I met him in June 1972 in Derry

in what was then free I was told there were

going to be talks And I met Martin,

that was the first time I'd met him, 45 years

ago, a long-time. But for many in Northern Ireland

Martin McGuinness was the You will never defeat

the Protestant people of Ulster! What would your

dad have thought of Martin McGuinness

was evil personified. He was the man who was terrorising

Northern Ireland and he was everything that every Ulsterman,

every Protestant, every Unionist So when did the hard man change

into a peacemaker and why? By the late 1980s the violence

had reached a new peak - with the Enniskillen

bomb even IRA leaders, including McGuinness,

realised they'd gone too far. It's really desecrating the dead

and a blot on mankind. A corner was turned and in the midst

of the violence the IRA started reaching out

secretly to the British. I think after the Enniskillen

bombing that is when Martin McGuinness became

moving from the hard man Denis Bradley was one of those

in Derry who facilitated the secret back channel between

the IRA and the British I think that McGuinness was quicker

and earlier into the fray of peacemaking than anybody else

within the Republican movement. The back channel for

the British government It was never comfortable

for the IRA either. There's only two ways

that a conflict ends, and Martin, I think,

very well knew it. One is an absolute victory

and defeat, one side over another. And if that is not

possible, and in most modern history it hasn't been

possible, then you discover that, you know, negotiations

are a part of where you go. In the end the link collapsed

because mistrust between In 1996 the IRA went back to war

with the Canary Wharf bomb. When Tony Blair came

to government in 1997, he made peace in

Northern Ireland his first priority. I first met Martin

McGuinness here in Castle Buildings on 13th October 1997

along with Tony Blair. It was the first meeting

between a British Prime Minister and Republican

leaders since 1921. We arranged the meeting

in a small windowless room so no one could take photographs

of us meeting Republican leaders. I declined to shake

hands with Martin Tony Blair was more

sensible and shook them by the hand as

he would anyone else. It was here that the

peace process began. I remember Martin being,

you know, there is a lot of accumulated pain and hurt that he

wanted to express and that he was very determined to give me a lengthy

and detailed account of why the British were to blame

for the problems of Ireland. But the importance of the meeting

was that it happened. When we came to government

Martin was made the chief If he was involved the people

got to have some sense. My wife always says she would trust

Martin McGuinness with her life. She doesn't say that about me

but that's another story. So I suppose people

had that sense of You always felt as a

chief negotiator that somebody had to sell

this to the troops. If a deal was done with Martin

he could deliver and he was And I think that was

the distinction. I'm not saying the selling powers

of Gerry were not considerable but I think Martin was the person who had

the ability to sell it. became Deputy First Minister sharing

power with Ian Paisley. My main memory of that

day was the two of them sitting on the sofa

in Paisley's office trying to outdo each other in terms

of telling jokes. We were nearly sitting

on each other's knees. And big Ian kind of tended to take

up a fair bit of space. It was amazing how like at

the crack of a switch to put a light on that they seemed

to have said listen, we've been through all of this,

you were on that side, I was on this side,

terrible things happened, The terrible legacy of the victims

which we all can never forget. But that these people

were prepared to give it a go. How do you manage to build

a relationship with someone who had been, as you say,

the personification of evil? The two of them did sit

down and had a very, I was privy to part of that

conversation where my father said to Martin we can have a battle

a day, we can make the community

out there depressed, or we can actually hand in hand take

this country forward Martin McGuinness risked not

just his career but his life to make He achieved things

as a politician he Now he's gone, a new

generation who weren't involved in The Troubles have to see

if they can continue his legacy. I worry because frankly this process

in Northern Ireland is still fragile and unless there is a continual

commitment by all the parties including the British government

then it's at risk, frankly. We are past conflict,

apart from a small number of people who are trying to

draw us back into it but they have I worked with Martin

McGuinness for ten years. At first I did so with

grave reservations. Over time I came to realise that

if you're going to make peace you have to talk

to your enemies. For some he will always be viewed

as a man with blood on his hands but I believe his legacy will

be as the hard man who changed to negotiate peace, and perhaps most

importantly, to make I ultimately take the view

if Martin McGuinness helped us achieve peace in Northern Ireland,

do we then hate our opponents, or end up recognising that without them

we actually couldn't In a way his intrinsic nature never

changed from the time he was in the Bogside to the time

he was the Deputy First Minister. I think what changed

was his deep-seated belief that the next generation had

to live in a different environment from his, and that is

really what impelled him, again, to become

the greatest advocate and deep

practitioner of peace. He's from the Bogside.

That has never left him. To have been part of achieving peace

and to find a peaceful way to achievement for a wee lad from the

Bogside. There were many victims

of IRA violence. Mr Stack was the chief prison

officer at Portlaoise High Securtiy prison, where a lot of IRA

prisoners were held. He was shot in the back

of the neck in 1983, It was Just three years ago

that the IRA acknowleged their involement after Gerry Adams

facilitated a series of meetings with his son Austin

who is in our Dublin studio now. Good evening. I wonder if you think

the actions of Martin McGuinness as a Democratic politician out way all

the hurt and the harm done to families and indeed the victims of

IRA violence. First of all, just express my sympathies to the family

of Martin McGuinness and I think this evening when we talk about

Martin McGuinness we should bear in mind that his family are morning and

I just want to express my pimp -- my sympathies to them. To answer your

question I think when we look at the legacy of Martin McGuinness what we

need to do is to look at this totality of that legacy. There's no

denying that Martin McGuinness in the latter years moved into the

political domain but we also should not deny and should not shy away

from examining Martin McGuinness and his past. You have to bear in mind

that Martin McGuinness and his organisation were responsible for

thousands of murders, thousands of atrocities. And Martin McGuinness

never, he is lauded as a peacemaker today but from our perspective as

victims Martin McGuinness had never at any stage tried to reach out to

the victims, he never tried to reconcile with victims. And he never

acknowledged the victims. I can point to several incidents I know

certainly my good friend David Kelly whose father private Paddy Kelly was

shocked by the IRA, David approached Martin McGuinness asking him for

answers in 2011 and Martin McGuinness shunted him away with the

words, just move on, you. So from that perspective, as victims we

would have a very different take on Martin McGuinness and his legacy and

I think we should look at the whole of the legacy and not just the

latter years. It is inevitable perhaps when use see archive footage

of the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, it looks like a different era and four

order -- in order for peace to work and continue working is it

inevitable that that would end up coming to the forefront and actually

the legitimate grievances of many victims families are not satisfied

but perhaps sidelined. That is exactly it. It appears that the

feelings of the victims have been shunted to one side and this evening

my thoughts would be with some very good friends of mine in Enniskillen

and Claudy listening to the plaudits being thrown the way of Martin

McGuinness, people who lost loved ones, people who are physically

injured and still in great pain today. In Enniskillen. Those people

have been traumatised again today by the plaudits thrown to Martin

McGuinness and for them the legacy is very real. And those people are

suffering today. And from that perspective we should just bear that

in mind. And that is real, the footage as you describe it is old

and seems to be from a different era but today the victims are still

suffering, there are still in that space. I wonder with so many of our

generation, some dying prematurely, but moving on, whether you're

optimistic for continued peace? I'm always optimistic and fully

supportive of the peace process. And supportive of peace. But what myself

and other victims are conscious of is there has been, you know, pretty

much nonexistent attitude towards us. Particularly people of the ilk

of Martin McGuinness did not try to reach out to us. When he reached out

to political unionism he never reached out to the victims. He never

tried to reconcile with the victims. And for peace to work in its

totality the victims must be included in the process. And that

has never happened. Thank you very much for joining us tonight.

Joining me now in the studio is Irish historian and columnist,

And from Salford, professor of politics at the University

of Liverpool, Jonathan Tonge, who directed the 2010

and 2015 Northern Ireland general election surveys.

Good evening. Ruth Dudley Edwards, Martin McGuinness was the main

proponent of United Ireland, do you think that is closer now or further

away or does his passing actually change that equation? I do not think

his passing changes it but we should remember if there was any chance of

United Ireland the IRA said it backed by generations. There was

always a possibility, given the right kind of approach and approach

of friendship, that both sides of the border might get to know each

other and that organically trade might occur, friendships might

develop and that in due course, possibly people might see the

possibility of a united Ireland. But once the are a decided to try to

bomb and kill Unionists into a united Ireland, they wrecked it. Do

you take that analysis, Jonathan, or do not have a different attitude

towards the possibility of United Ireland? That is the reason why

Martin McGuinness move towards peace. Even with the huge bombs of

the 1990s which flattened London and Manchester, even then the IRA could

not force a united Ireland. What you've seen is Sinn Fein making huge

political progress since the IRA ceasefires of the 1990s. It has been

growth of almost every election for Sinn Fein since that period. And

Sinn Fein is very much on the march, buoyed by a successful election

earlier this month in the north. It is more likely than not that at some

stage they will sit in government in the South and I do think a united

Ireland is back on the agenda. Certainly it is being talked about

seriously. Brexit provides a material change in circumstances to

quote Nicola Sturgeon in the Scottish case that could lead to

united Ireland. Soft nationalists basically have accepted devolved

power-sharing within the United Kingdom but firstly you have not got

that with the collapse of the institutions in the north, and

secondly soft nationalists have accepted the border is a fact but

they will not accept a water as a fence again if that happens as a

consequence of Brexit. That brings the United Ireland idea back on the

agenda in a way you have not seen in recent times. So in a sense not just

down to demographics, tectonic plates shifting a bit faster, not

only with Sinn Fein gaining ground in the north and the South, and

indeed the reaction to Brexit, but also just a feeling in the north,

you have Unionists, Protestant children taking Irish citizenship as

they can under the Good Friday agreement. Different attitudes from

younger generation. Yes and quite a lot of people think of themselves

now as Northern Irish rather than Irish or British and that is

developing a sense of Northern Irish identity. But do not get carried

away with this United Ireland business, Gerry Adams is calling for

a border poll but the south of Ireland does not want it and the

Northern Irish would not vote for it. A very small part of the

Catholic community in Northern Ireland would vote for it. It is not

possible economically. And I would also say that Martin McGuinness, his

death is a hell of a blow to Sinn Fein. Massive blow. He was their

strategist, he had more brains than most of the rest put together. He

also was not impeded by the vanity and egotism of Gerry Adams which

gets underway, which makes and confrontational and very bad at

diplomacy. Gerry Adams can do the hard man, he cannot do the winning

personality. You cannot do that charm in the wake Martin McGuinness

could. So they're missing Martin McGuinness and they will be

something I think in the south. I wonder then, it is a big leap to

talk about this, but if you think there are no kind of figures of

stature, if you do not take the others that are there now into play,

no figures of stature. Is there a danger then that there is going to

be something that might approximate to return to violence? I do not

think there is any prospect of that. One of the most successful things

Martin McGuinness did was to marginalise the dissidents. That was

not as easy as people might imagine. The worst atrocity of the troubles

came after the Good Friday agreement with the Omagh bombing which killed

29. Martin McGuinness took personal risk in trying to marginalise those

groups. In terms of the broader picture Sinn Fein has defined a

replacement ultimately also for Gerry Adams, he is broadly the same

age as Martin McGuinness and the longest serving leader anywhere in

Europe. He has been Sinn Fein president since 1983. So potentially

there is a huge void at the top of Sinn Fein when Gerry Adams quits

politics. But I think they have been preparing for some time now. And I

think if you had all Ireland poll it be interesting, the mathematics, on

whether there would be support for a united Ireland. Do you agree that a

number of Catholics would not supported in the north, the South

would not want it because of the economic consequences? I think

plenty of Catholics are comfortable with devolved power-sharing within

the UK but at the moment that does not look as if it will be coming

into place. The institutions are in trouble and Sinn Fein said they will

not work with Arlene Foster. So you will have Northern nationalists

taken out of the EU against their will. Also some Unionists are

unhappy with that, 30% of the DUP vote voted to remain in the European

Union. So there is unhappiness, the situation has changed in terms of

the discussion at least. Thank you both very much.

And now - it's a big week for one of Trump's

biggest campaign pledges - as repeated last night

at a rally - to "end the catastrophe of Obamacare."

This is perhaps the first big legislative test of

Trump's administration - and it's left his own

On the campaign trail his rallyng cry was that he would repeal

And that's exactly what he's trying to do now.

But what he's suggested as an alternative is hated by pretty

Republican moderates think it will adversely hit

the elderly and the poor, right wing republicans say it's just

Obamacare-lite and way too expensive.

Democrats of course never wanted to see it repealed at all.

This morning we saw President Trump up on Capitol Hill trying

to win his party round before that critical House vote on Thursday.

He suggested they were fools not to come together,

that they risked losing their seats if they appeared disunited.

But as of tonight the feeling here in DC is that he's

There is a core of around 40 ideological republicans called

the House Freedom Caucus who are willing the bill to fail.

The bill would be sunk if 22 or more of them vote against it.

There's talk of putting vice president Mike Pence on the Hill

for the next two days solid to talk them around.

But what do the patients make of all the politics?

We went to Trump country - some hours north of

For the first time in 24 years the people

This county, Fulton, heavily rural, elderly and white,

They took a gamble he'd deliver what he promised,

After he came along and he started making sense about a lot of things

that I've been thinking about for years and years,

the changes that had to be done, I decided to change my politics

Trumpcare's moving in the right direction.

I think it's going to be a lot better than Obamacare.

It was too high, a lot of people couldn't afford it,

Now a key pledge on the campaign trail in places like this was that

promise to repeal Obamacare, the health care programme that

encouraged, some would say forced, millions of Americans to buy

insurance and that expanded Medicaid, free insurance

for the most vulnerable, through government subsidies.

Next is an executive order minimising the economic burden

of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act...

Republicans have long argued it was too costly for government

and premiums were too high for patients.

It was repealed on day one by executive order,

but this month the President produced his own plan.

We came to the Fulton Medical Centre to see what they make of it.

Just a decade old, it puts diagnosis, surgery,

emergency services, and an elderly care home, all under one roof.

Margaret Black has spent three months here.

Do you know what the cost will be to you?

Well, I know I had three trips to Pittsburgh in the ambulance,

And if that was taken away, if your employer didn't have

I mean, I wouldn't have the money to pay it.

Under Trump's plan, employers would no longer be held responsible

Some believe that change is badly needed.

I think that it needs to be revamped.

Companies that offer health care like my husband's,

which we are fortunate for, that's a great thing.

But there's companies out there that can't afford to pay

They're going to end up shutting their doors, and that's

Broadly, this plan would cost the government

Let's show you how that could look in practice.

Under Obamacare, Medicaid was expanded in the majority of states.

Large employers were obliged to provide insurance to their workers.

Health insurance became mandatory, with fines for those who didn't

enrol, and there was a cap on the difference insurance

Under Trumpcare, they intend to cut Medicaid expansion and stop any more

They will free employers of the obligation to

They'll stop insurance being mandatory, but say those

who go two months without it may face higher policies.

They'll use tax credits to help people buy it and they'll make

major cuts to women's health programmes including

The moment the presidential plan emerged, it appeared he had pulled

Infuriating both those on the left of his party,

worried that it would leave many Americans unprotected,

and those on the right who have called it Obama-lite.

Hated the fact he hadn't got rid of it completely.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office - think along

the lines of our OBR - predicted that 24 million

more Americans would be uninsured by the next decade

Older, poorer people, would be worst hit.

I asked the head of emergency services, Dr Douglas Stern,

I don't think that is an exaggeration.

I think we could have more uninsured patients and that's going to push

them towards an expensive health care, the emergency department,

because if someone's uninsured they're going to wait

And then once they have an acute problem they're going

to go in to the system through the emergency

department and unfortunately, that's the highest cost

So, Dr Stern, from what you're saying, this is a community that

can ill afford to pay for this health care?

We have some patients that are on a fixed income and usually

And they're on a fixed income, they don't have the opportunity

And they choose between taking their blood pressure medication,

This is President Trump's first real legislative test

His party holds a majority in the chamber, but needs 216 votes to win.

As things stand, the rump of conservatives known

as Freedom House Caucus, believe they hold enough

I know, I've talked to a lot of people that

So there's a pretty persuasive case made by the leadership

I think there's a lot of people that have concerns

You must have done the maths, do you think there's

Yeah, right now we don't have the votes to pass the bill.

Well no, I want to get to yes, but I want the Trump

So everybody agrees, the right-wing think tanks,

the liberal think tanks, both agree the architecture

The President himself went to Capitol Hill this morning

to lobby for the bill in his own inimitable style.

Telling Republican congressmen they risked losing their seats

Tremendous health care plan, that's what we have.

Affordable care, American health, no one even knows what it's called,

but just like Hillarycare of the 1990s or Obamacare now

or who knows, perhaps Trumpcare or even Ryancare next,

the sticking of the name on the bill is not about pride or posterity,

it's an attempt to affix political blame if it all goes wrong.

And what of Fulton and its 84% who stood so solid behind Trump?

Are they watching the machinations on the Hill, the swamp,

They'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now,

Whether they like it if he does, it is perhaps the bigger

A mother whose daughter died at the age of 15

after taking MDMA called tonight for the legalisation of all drugs

Everything from heroin to MDMA to cannabis.

Five years ago Anne-Marie Cockburn's daughter Martha was sitting her

GCSEs and thinking about studying engineering, she was a talented

But she was also curious about drugs - something her mother found out

after she died from taking half a gram of MDMA powder that turned

Anne-Marie Cockburn is with me now. Thank you for joining us. What

actually happened to Martha on that day? She went kayaking with friends

on a Saturday morning, a lovely July day in 2013. And afterwards she for

some reason swallowed half a gram of white powder that turned out to be

ecstasy, MDMA powder that was 91% pure. Within three hours of taking

it she was dead. So that was actually an incredibly powerful

dose? Yes, much higher than the normal street level. I think

possibly the chances are it would have killed more than several

people. I've been told it was enough for five to ten people in one go.

When did you find out what happened? Well, it was very quickly we got

told drugs were involved. And in respect of the dosage and so on that

wasn't until a few days afterwards. But initially, yes, we were told

instantly she has taken something. She was with friends at the time?

She was with friends but she was the only one who took it. So then after

the funeral you were going through the family computer and what did you

find? I found her Google history and she'd been looking for ways to take

ecstasy safely. Because she was a clever girl and she wanted to make

sure she wouldn't overdose. Yes. She was at that stage in her adolescence

and she did want to try things, she was a curious child and I encouraged

her curiosity in life, as you do as a parent as much as you can. But

that was a moment when I realised the situation was that she got lost

in the detail and made a great mistake. She had taken ecstasy

before and I think, as any mother would, you'd had a kind of

contretemps about it. Yes, I was one of those parents, I said why would

you do this? She said it makes me feel happy. I said, aren't you happy

anyway? She said yes but it makes me feel even happier. I couldn't

believe that. I just said don't do it, don't do it, I didn't want her

to do it. I said just say no. And you know what went on to happen.

After that terrible tragedy occurred you then started a campaign for

legalisation. I want to go back and ask, before what happened happened

were you for the legalisation, or even decriminalisation of drugs? I

didn't think it related to families like mine. I was blissfully ignorant

but I've learned the hard way and I've learned very quickly what I

really should have known then. What do you say to people who say, well,

if you legalise drugs for the over 18s it's still going to be the

teenagers who, even though drink's legal, who experiment, take too

much, and indeed get themselves into terrible trouble? Well, had Martha

taken something that was licensed and regulated with a label, with

ingredients, and dosage information, she wouldn't have taken enough for

five to ten people and I believe she would still be here today. You don't

want to think of your child taking drugs but if they are going to do it

anyway I'd rather they get something from a licensed dealer than from the

black market. What do you think of the whole just say no? It's out of

date, it doesn't work. I said just say no, instead of telling Martha

what she needed to note based on what she was doing. We need to

engage with this properly and we need to be realistic about modern

society. But some, I suppose, would say that the just say no works for

some kids and some just say no to heavy alcohol use works as well and

it's legalised. So, actually, does there need to be a clear message

anyway about drugs? About what drugs are, about handling drugs and so

forth. The only way we can do that is to get it out into the open, to

shed complete light on the truth of drugs, the good, the bad and the

ugly and the only way we can get rid of the black market is by a legal

and regulatory model meaning you can fully educate people, they note the

parameters, they know what it contains and so on. You can't

educate at the moment that it might have this in it or it might... In

Martha's case she had no idea it was 91% pure.

There will be other parents who will take a diametrically opposed views

to you because they think actually nothing would be further from what

they want to see that legalise drugs were on the streets. Well, I wish I

had the luxury of still being a parent. On their behalf I'm talking

about the subject so they don't become me. Anne-Marie Cockburn,

thank you very much indeed. Thank you.

For much of the last year Britain has been divided into two,

at times seemingly irreconcilable tribes -

Or Remoaners, depending on your point of view.

But with the start of our formal divorce from the EU days away,

we've been doing our bit for national unity by inviting

prominent Remainers to find at least one positive thing

Tonight the News Statesman's Stephen Bush raises a glass to Brexit.

It's become one of the most reliable and soul-destroying

cliches of our politics, that you can't talk

Of course, that isn't true, as a cursory glance at a British

But it is true to say that while we've been in the EU,

we haven't been able to control most of the immigration to Britain.

This has meant that our politicians have avoided talking up the benefits

of immigration and have erected ever crueller barriers to people who wish

Now that we are leaving, we can at least have an honest conversation

about who we want to come here and how we treat

We leave you with the camera work of Jeremy Jones

Jeremy records aeroplanes taking off and landing, and he was filming

at Birmingham Airport in the middle of Storm Doris last month.

In a 60mph crosswind he witnessed more than a few

hair-raising moments during aborted landings - none more so than this

one, made by William Barron, the pilot of Monarch Flight 971J.

Hello. Snow, ice and heavy rain in the forecast