23/03/2017 Newsnight

SPEAKER: In respectful memory of those who lost their lives in

yesterday's attack and of all the casualties of that attack we shall

now observe a minute's silence. Politicians and the public

pay their respects to the victims Khalid Masood was the man

who attacked the heart of London. He had a history of convictions

for violent crimes - Yesterday an act of terrorism tried

to silence our democracy. But today we meet as normal, as generations

have done before us and as future generations will continue to do. To

deliver a simple message - we are not afraid.

We'll ask what - if anything - we can do to stop another

We'll ask the Security Minister if its time for more

And - as Westminster Bridge re-opens we'll try and figure out

The lights behind me turn green, the four by four moves forward and then

it mounts the pavement. That's the moment when it is clear something is

going wrong. The attack has begun. Perhaps the most striking thing

about the man named today as yesterday's attacker is not

that he was British-born - Nor that he had previous

convictions, for public order offences, GBH and possession

of offensive weapons. No, it is his age -

he was 52 years old. That's a different profile to that

of so many other attackers, who are characterised

as young hot-heads. Although that is not believed to be

his birth name. He personally hired the car used

in the attack yesterday. As Richard Watson told us last

night, it came from a branch of Enterprise Car Rental

in Spring Hill, Birmingham. Masood gave his profession

as "Teacher" when renting Well, here is Richard now,

on what we know about the man. Terrorists are usually young, but

the Westminster attack was carried out by one of the world's oldest,

British citizen Khalid Masood. At 52 he was positively middle-aged.

Khalid Masood was born in Kent on Christmas Day 1964. There is no

birth listed with those details. Police say he used a number of

aliases. He had a range of convictions. His first was in

November 1983 for criminal damage. Others included GBH, possession of

offensive weapons and public order offences. The last was for

possession of a knife in December 2003. Police think he had been most

recently living in the West Midlands. Police were searching for

clues at a number of properties today. There were raids overnight in

Birmingham in the Ladywood and Winson Green areas of the city.

There has also been police activity in Wales, Forest gate in east

London, Surrey and Sussex with eight arrests. In Birmingham where one

woman was convinced that the man on the stretcher Khalid Masood, was her

neighbour, who moved away two to three months ago. I spoke to him

just once but it was just how are you? Not much conversation. He was a

calm person. I feel terrorised and scared because I've lived in this

house for 12 years and nothing like this has happened before and I could

never imagine, I saw those things on the TV. The Enterprise car hire

depot in Spring Hill, Birmingham, last night Newsnight revealed

research by a team at Kings College London that showed the car used in

the attack was hired from here. Using open source methodology we

found out that the car was first registered in Essex, was then

transferred over to Birmingham with Enterprise, the Spring Hill branch

where it was rented on the 16th of March by Khalid Masood, six days

before the attack which obviously begs the question, what was

happening in the meantime? One focus for police is the missing six days,

the car's movements. What I can confirm is that the man

was British-born and that some years ago he was once investigated by MI5

in relation to concerns about violent extremism. He was a

peripheral figure. The case is historic. He was not part of the

current intelligence picture. There was no prior intelligence of his

intent or the plot, intensive investigations continue. This very

early admission that Khalid Masood was on the radar seems to be an

attempt to take the sting out of any criticism. Security sources also

told us he was a peripheral figure. Newsnight understands MI5 has

started a systematic re-evaluation of intelligence on Masood.

The language is striking force of the term peripheral was also used to

describe the London bombers Mohammad Sidique Khan. This programme

revealed that in 2005 Mohammad Sidique Khan featured in MI5

surveillance into an earlier plot and when that story was confirmed

much later in a visual report he was once again described as a peripheral

figure. You can see why they are sensitive.

Security sources have told Newsnight that more than 3000 people in the UK

are persons of interest in relation to violent extremism. Many will be

low risk but sifting the wheat from the chaff is a huge challenge. The

fact that the security service cannot offer 100% protection from

such attacks in a liberal democracy is now an admission officials

realise must be made and made early. Richard Watson there.

Joining me is the former Head of the National Counter

Terrorism Security Office, Chris Phillips.

And Anas Altikriti, who's founder and CEO

Before we go further, the age, Chris, surprised, 52? It's unusual

but it is not out of the ordinary. In other countries we have had

people of an old age but yes, it is unusual. It is unusual for a reason,

that you tend to think the younger ones are just more prone to be

radicalised, have more of an open mind to be brainwashed or whatever.

Whether or not he has been brainwashed, or whether he is

suffering from some sort of mental illness that is quite feasible as

well. It is quite unusual. Do you also find the age surprising?

Surprising in terms of it being out of sync with the most recent attacks

that we've seen across Europe, probably. But I think that the

playbook on terrorism and the profiles of prospective terrorists,

I think that needs to be re-addressed. It has the hallmarks

of a lone wolf attack. He used very low-tech, very primitive means, he

didn't have any explosives, he didn't have any guns as such, a

kitchen knife and a car which proved deadly in this particular

circumstance, but nonetheless, I think the whole thing needs to be

looked at. We really need to know more about this man. What we know

now is that he was born and bred in Britain and we know that he had a

catalogue of criminal offences. Smaller criminal offences, right.

Let's drill down into this issue of how you prevent, and I use the word

deliberately because that's the name of the government policy for doing

it, how do you prevent people from becoming radicalised, and that is

your department, Anas. We have this dilemma, gently, who you bring into

the Prevent strategy? Only allow mainstream thinkers to help us take

people away from the radicals, or do you allow people who you might call

semi-radical to help woo the people from more extreme radicals? I think

the main problem, you are talking about who to bring into Prevent, I

think Prevent itself is a major problem and successive governments

have proposed strategies that are built on baseless ideas and

information about the community. The Muslim community is a very complex,

very diverse mosaic of all sorts of cultures, backgrounds and traditions

within Islam. Unfortunately Prevent has managed over the past, I would

suggest, since 2005, to alienate more than 90% of that Muslim

community. Therefore, it has proven to be divisive, rather than as we

need today, for the whole community to come together and be in sync with

the whole British public in finding this quite offensive... I know that

David Cameron thought your group, he called you a political front for the

Muslim Brotherhood and didn't want you to be used by the state to help

sway people from more radical views. Do you see there is a dilemma that

there are lots of people in the mainstream Muslim world whose views

are acceptable and some whose views are abhorrent to most British

people? It depends whether we are talking about political views. I

think this is where for instance David Cameron found my organisation

to be distasteful to him, and why for instance we are being shut out

from any kind of consultation. Not that we are actively seeking it, we

are busy enough. But the problem is you either talk to people who are

either engaged on the streets and who get to meet the vulnerable pool

of people who might be driven, and might be attracted to extremism and

radicalism, or if you wish you can talk to those who say the things you

like, who stand by the politics of government. That's the dilemma. The

problem is we are facing what I would suggest is quite a serious

threat and governments need to rise above the churlishness honoured to

be honest. So in a word... Saying I don't like what you think and

therefore I will not engage with you. So you would engage more

widely? Not more widely but with the people that matter, even though they

might harbour political views the government disagrees with. Chris

Kermode let's talk about the security aspect of this. First of

all, would you consider this an intelligence failure? The fact he

was known and not being watched, is that by definition an intelligence

failure? No, absolutely not, and there will be a rush to blame people

for this, as there always is, and we must steer away from it. This is a

person that has passed among many years ago, involved in violence. May

have been on the periphery of terrorism in some way. There are too

many people with that profile for you to watch them all? Literally

thousands. If you think of surveillance on one person for 24

hours is going to be 850 person police officer job, we haven't got

enough police officers in the world to do that. -- a 50 person police

officer job. A lot of people were surprised it was a protection

officer who shot him rather than one of the police at the Palace of

Westminster. You need to understand how the Palace of Westminster works.

The police are there almost as guests of the Parliamentary team and

have to carry the weapons they are given to some extent. Yes, it's

interesting that there wasn't the machine gun guys nearby. But, of

course, this was a success actually for the security of the Palace. He

didn't get in. He walked five or six yards and was taken out. What would

change? If you asked the police, guys, what would you do? What would

you change? Would you say more guns and more armed officers? More

Tasers? What do you think? The average officer is now moving

towards being armed, however, there is an inclination to say we don't

need to go down that route yet. The most important thing is there is

enough resources given to the police to do the job properly.

Tasers are an interesting one because if this officer had had a

Taser, dealing with a knife attack is quite feasible. How many officers

have tasers? A small amount who are on response teams, the important

thing is to realise there are less officers on the street now than ever

before and if this attack had happened anywhere but the most

policed building in the country the results would have been different.

We need to leave it there. Anas and Chris, thank you.

After the 7/7 attack 12 years ago now, when the names of victims

emerged, it was one of the first occasions that you could register

just how international London had become; so many

Well, yesterday's attack hit a tourist site, and it is not

surprising that the victims there came from 11

One man from Utah was among the dead, Kurt Cochran.

And one British woman with a Spanish background also died - Aysha Frade.

Boris Johnson was at the UN in New York today, and said

the attack on London, was an attack on the world.

John Sweeney has the story of what happened yesterday

The horror started at 2:40pm. 24 hours on Westminster Bridge is open.

But it's time to try and understand what happened here as best we can.

The lights behind me turned green, the four by four moves forward and

then it mounts the pavement. That's the moment when its clear something

is going wrong. The attack has begun. The car was a four by four,

Khalid Masood behind the wheel. The four by four is accelerating hard

and here it hits the first group of people. There is an American

standing here and he is hit so hard he is thrown over this wall. Kurt

Cochran was in London to celebrate his 25th wedding anniversary. His

wife was injured but survived. His death was announced today. I got a

quick look over the wall and see this guideline on the ground. The

doctors arrived two seconds after I see that. Sebastien Ramos, eating

from Colombia, was cycling across the bridge on his way home. He was

not moving. I stared at him for 20, 30 seconds and he just did not move.

He was so white. Watch the white circle moving from right to left,

that is Khalid Masood's four by four barrelling along the pavement at

high speed. There's been an accident, a car has just mown down

about three people on Westminster Bridge. People start calling 999 and

hurrying to help the injured. Almost every tourist who comes to London

comes to Westminster Bridge. This is one of the great selfie spots in

London. There is a group of people here, among them a remaining

architect. She is with a bloke in London, it's his birthday. And then

this second group of people are ploughed through by Khalid Masood.

This is the moment when she is thrown or jumps off the bridge. She

was seen floating down the river but was rescued. Her condition is

critical. Today Londoners and the world came to pay their respects.

Three dead on the bridge at least. Why choose here? It would strike at

the very heart of our democracy, the seat of our democracy at the Houses

of Parliament. Plus maybe the tourist factor. This is always a

honeypot for tourists. It's a beautiful bridge, beautiful setting.

And that was possibly his motives. So at this point Khalid Masood had

been driving at speed for 200 metres, maybe more, the length of

Westminster Bridge. He comes here and wipes out a third group of

people. Then there's a security barrier there and he's beginning to

run out of road. My god. He wasn't done. He crashed below Big Ben,

trapping one more bystander against the railings. Yesterday Westminster

Bridge saw cruelty beyond belief, but also something else. As soon as

I get to the bridge, so many people rushed to the victims trying to help

them. The only thing I can do for them is pray for them. The story

ended in Parliament with Masood taking one more life and then it was

the end of him. This old Bridge has seen a lot in its time. Yesterday's

horror was met today with resolution. Life and London goes on.

Before we move on a video has emerged.

Tonight a video has emerged of the Prime Minister being lead

to a car in the House of Commons just moments after the attack.

It's been released by the Sun newspaper.

She is surrounded by protection officers.

It is clearly a very tense situation.

This morning she was back in the Commons.

She said it would be open for business this

As you'd expect it was a sombre occasion as MPs paid their respects

to the victims of yesterday's attack.

Members on all sides paid tribute to Keith Palmer -

and to those who fought so valiantly to save him.

We shall now observe a minute's silence.

A police officer, PC Keith Palmer, was killed defending us,

defending Parliament and defending Parliamentary democracy.

He was every inch a hero and his actions will never be forgotten.

PC Keith Palmer, who I first met 25 years ago as Gunner Keith Palmer

at Headquarters Battery 100 Regiment, Royal Artillery.

He was a strong, professional public servant.

And it was a delight to meet him here again only a few months

Not only did he show huge professionalism in putting his past

training to the use and the hope that he had of rescuing

the life of PC Keith Palmer, but of course it was in the middle

of a terrorist attack and our right honourable friend

is somebody who knows the trauma and tragedy of losing somebody

This attacker and people like him are not of my religion,

nor are they of our community, and we should condemn

all of them who pretend to be of a particular religion,

If they were of religion they would not be carrying

We have to stay united and show them that they can't win on these grounds

This was an horrific crime and it has cost lives and caused injury.

But as an act of terror it has failed.

It has failed because we are here and we are going to go

Our political editor, Nick Watt, is here.

Parliament, the Palace of Westminster, are there, since that

security, for all the fact he did not get far, are their concerns

about security? There are real concerns about senior MPs and senior

peers that this attack could have been far worse. The BBC reported

that Masood was shot dead light protection officers protecting the

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon. In other words he was not shot by armed

police attached to Parliament. I spoke to one former Cabinet minister

who told me that had those protection officers not been on the

Parliamentary estate, because of course ministers spend most of their

time outside Parliament, then Khalid Masood could have ventured much

further. Interesting in that statement the speaker made pretty

clear there is going to be a lessons learned review launched. The other

question people are asking, he was known to the police and MI5, was

this an intelligence failure? That's what we had in Richard Watson's

report, he was on the MI5 radar a number of years ago in connection

with violent extremism, although he was a peripheral figure. Amber Rudd

this evening told the BBC it would be wrong to blame the intelligence,

MI5 for a failure. The reason why ministers believe there was not an

intelligence failure if they believe that this attack exactly fitted the

mould identified in recent years by Andrew Parker, the MI5

director-general, talking about lone actors launching attacks, almost

impossible to detect. Andrew Parker said these attacks would be of

relatively low sophistication but of course they would be deadly.

Interesting this use of intelligence will be investigated by Parliament

intelligence and Security committee. They are taking the view that Andrew

Parker's warning has clearly come true. Thank you.

Earlier I spoke to the Security Minister - Ben Wallace.

I asked him about reports it was a minister's close protection

officer who shot Masood, and if there had been any other

First of all I'm not going to speculate on the allegations that

you make about who actually was involved in the shooting.

I think what I can certainly say is that anybody who works

there or goes there and I know you've been there yourself,

there are plenty of armed officers around the House of Commons

and House of Lords, both inside and outside and also

the area, the sort of government quarter, there's a whole range

of police forces that cover that area.

Diplomatic protection, Metropolitan Police and other police

and there are plenty of guns available and on show

OK, let's take another area, that of surveillance.

Again it's an area where you need to strike the right balance

between keeping an eye on bad people and respecting individual liberties.

Are you satisfied that balance is right at the moment?

We have, we think, got the balance right.

That's why we passed the Investigatory Powers Act

through Parliament only recently supported by all parties

in the House of Commons and the House of Lords.

But it is a balance that we constantly review.

In law we have to do everything that is proportionate and necessary.

And despite the criticisms we get from a whole range of commentators

and sometimes people in the media will say that the surveillance state

Actually from what I see first hand, our surveillance officers

and police absolutely stick to that law and try their very best to make

It's a big challenge and a big responsibility for those people.

It is, but you take someone like Khalid Masood, who is known

to the police but not thought to be so risky that needs

Is there a category of person into which he would have fallen where

you will now say we should be erring on the side of keeping a closer

That is a general principle about to what extent we decide

to put people under surveillance and have that public debate,

which is what we did during the Investigatory Powers Act.

A number of people have come to the High Court and even

It's not about the act, it's about the resources

you are willing to put into following those people

No, no, it's actually about the legal framework

I ask regularly our intelligence services and police if they have

enough resources in the area of counterterrorism specifically.

That's why we gave them a 30% real terms increase on counterterrorism

funding across Whitehall to deal with the problem.

We police by consent in this society and we have to try

and make the balance of what is politically possible.

Some of my colleagues are authoritarian,

These things wouldn't get through Parliament unless we try

and seek a balance to make sure the law is in place to do the job.

And I think this is something that's really important

about intelligence here and it happens all too frequently.

A long time ago I was an intelligence officer

in Northern Ireland, I dealt with intelligence

Intelligence is not 100% perfect, it's often scraps or tiny

And intelligence officers and police have to try and stick those together

and make judgments on very often impartial information.

Those judgments are high risk, often, but more often

than not they get it right, and no one ever does programmes

about the 400 pieces of intelligence that were dealt with correctly

They always try and see or make allegations

I wasn't implying it was an intelligence failure.

I'm just asking whether there's a lesson to be learnt from this.

Both on guns and surveillance your answer has been, effectively,

you are fairly satisfied with where we are.

And I suppose the question that leads me to is whether we just have

to accept there is a certain inevitability about the odd lone

wolf attackers wielding great harm using weapons like cars or knives?

Well, we have consistently said it's not a matter if but when.

We have dealt with terrorism in this country for decades.

Originally, from all over the world, including in my childhood

Northern Irish terrorism, and now obviously international

We have always said, look, we know these things are very

Some of the threats are very hard to stop.

If somebody wants to suddenly change their mind, get in a car,

or grab a knife and stab the first person next to them,

it's a real challenge of how we are going to deal with that.

That's why we've invested in our intelligence services

and some of the surveillance capabilities that we often

But it's also why we try and make sure the public are involved in this

debate because it is community, it is neighbours and friends

and parents and teachers that can help prevent people

being radicalised in the first place, or make a call

to the police or local authority if they are worried about how

And that's how we are really going to make sure we minimise the risk.

Is making sure the public and communities of all faiths,

all up and down this country, engage with our security services

That's how we will prevent people becoming radicalised and how

we will protect the public and reduce the risk.

It is inevitable that every atrocity prompts a discussion about how

we can do things differently, to obstruct those

Now this makes for difficult decisions - you'll hear the claim

that we mustn't yield to terror by changing our lives -

but of course over the years we have altered things -

the rules of what we take on planes, security at buildings.

So are there lessons to be drawn from yesterday's attack,

in Antwerp today, when a car accelerated at a crowd

Our policy editor, Chris Cook, looks at whether we can design

cities that are safer against these attacks.

Yesterday's attack began with a card being used as a weapon against

pedestrians on Westminster Bridge. Today in Antwerp the authorities

believe they have prevented a similar attack. Last year truck

attacks killed 98 people in Nice and Berlin. So, can we make our cities

safer against weaponised vehicles? When you hear about hardening cities

against attack by terrorists you might think of the ugly concrete

blocks that appear at events in London like the one happening

tonight in memory of the victims of yesterday's attack. But actually a

lot of the hardening of our urban environments is quite subtle. This

is the Cabinet Office, the centre of our government. It has a wall

running in front of most of it which looks like old crumbly sandstone but

it's actually a high-tech barrier that would stop they lorry. The UK

worried about this for years, this is a 7.5 tonne truck taking part in

a regular test at the transport research laboratory in Berkshire.

This is a long-standing issue in urban design. We even have very

clearly defined strengthening standards for by Lance. One of the

things that's been going on for a long time now is the creation of

hard landscaping to provide a barrier between the roads and

pedestrians -- by Lance. These can be in the form of large stone

structures we can see her in Whitehall and steel bollards most of

us appreciate are there to stop vehicles getting onto pavements. But

also things like landscaping in the form of planters, or belts of

landscaping, anything that provides what is called stand-off between

vehicles and buildings and pedestrians. There are, though,

limits to what we can do with hardened environments. The concept

of target hardening has some practical limitations. You cannot

paralyse an entire city by putting barriers, or closing off entire

areas to transit without having any impact on the transport and daily

life of a city. On the other hand you are incurring the risk of

displacing the threat somewhere else. The entire city cannot be a

fortress so if a terrorist realises about an area is too hard to hit

they will just move the attention somewhere else.

So, in the end, the answer has to be stopping assaults. How, though, do

you stop people whose plans need so little planning?

Obviously you have to continue to beef up intelligence. But

intelligence is not necessarily end of the technological spectrum,

trying to track chatter in the Middle East and that sort of stuff,

which is useful but probably not terribly relevant to the sort of

things which happened in Nice last year and possibly in London

yesterday. But what I would call community intelligence. But in

French we would call renseignement de

proximite. It depends how much we are prepared to put up with. Chris

Cooke, there. Well, there is a pattern

to the reaction in major It reflects the fact

that there is something more traumatic for a population,

about death and injury at the hands of someone trying to do harm,

than in the normal urban routine. You've seen the same defiance,

sentiment and unity in Paris, Brussels and in London,

and there was a vigil at Trafalgar Square this evening,

and I went down to talk to people Well, the short ceremony

is over, the vigil is over. We heard words from Amber Rudd,

the Home Secretary, from the Mayor A familiar message about how London

will and should react to events And then the silence observed not

just by the many people in the square but of course

by the lack of traffic around. I think it's that sense

of solidarity with being a Londoner. I've lived here for about 20 years,

I love the diversity of this city. What happened yesterday

was a horrendous thing. You can't let it put up barriers

against people who are different. You've just got to come together

and that's happened here. My heart goes out to the victims

who have tragically lost their lives And I actually live in Birmingham

and I actually drove past this particular place that was raided

yesterday, and I work in London, so I thought I'd come

and pay my respects today. I think as a Londoner you do feel

connected and you want to be with fellow Londoners

at a time like this. But I also feel that at the same

time it reminds me of everyone who's under these kind of attacks

around the world. Obviously when terrible things

happen like what happened yesterday it's sometimes very difficult

to kind of continue to feel positive about how

we can work together. But I personally have faith

in people to continue Today I was expecting

most of us to be Muslims But when I see different cultures

standing for that thing, It shows you that

still the world is OK. The scenes at the Trafalgar Square

vigil earlier. Richard Watson, who you heard from the programme today

and yesterday, briefly joins me. Richard, more information in the

last few minutes about Khalid Masood. That's right, this wire copy

has dropped and the BBC has confirmed the name of Khalid Masood

and this is a story the Daily Mail were running, it wasn't confirmed

until now but now the BBC has confirmed it, his birth name was

Adrian elms, born in Dartford in Kent and lived at various times in

Rye, Crawley, West Sussex, Eastbourne in East Sussex, the BBC

confirms this is a man who has been convicted of knife crime offences --

Adrian Elms. That tallies with information put out by the

Metropolitan Police. This is the first confirmation of that. Richard,

thank you. Let's move on to

another subject now. And Hillary Clinton's

election campaign manager, John Podesta is in London

at the moment, for The Economist Now Podesta's name is perhaps

most famous for the fact that it was his emails that

were hacked, and which caused embarrassment

to the Clinton campaign. But he has a long career in politics

on the Democrat side - he was chief of staff

to President Bill Clinton in the White House under President

Obama. It was Mr Podesta who came

on stage on election night, I met up with him earlier today,

to talk about politics, here and in the US,

and his experience But first, in light of his speech

at the summit, I asked him how the world should respond to any

decision by President Trump to pull The most fundamental

problem is what he's doing in the United States

which is to really attack the fundamental pillars

of environmental protection. He's set the country on a course

that is really ignoring the science and ignoring

the tremendous cost that the United States

and of course the world will be faced

with as a result of climate change. You happen to be

in London at the time horrendous incident in Westminster

yesterday. should react to these

atrocities? Look, I think you have to do

everything you can to protect to justice the people who are

responsible. I know that the assailant

was killed yesterday but there are others who appear to be

involved and need to be arrested. But I think you also

have to try to retain and be restrained in terms

of retaining your ability to operate

in a free and open way. It's five months now

since the election In a nutshell, what's your account

of why he prevailed? He was able to put together

narrow wins in Wisconsin got him the victory in the electoral

college. He had a little assist from

the Russians as we are finding out more from every day,

and a little assist actually from our

director of the FBI. How do you think liberal America

should react to what we are seeing President Trump

is doing and what he's like in his I think you see it

out on the street. You saw it the day after his

inauguration with the women's march, marches

that took place. And you support that

kind of approach? Absolutely, I'm fully

into the resistance. And what would happen

if there was no resistance? I think that we would see

a growing authoritarianism. And I think we've seen that

played out across other places, particularly

in Eastern Europe, In a way, what you are

describing sounds, well, unprecedented, really,

in the history of democracy. I think we are in a whole

different world with somebody who, to cite

the latest example, When every person who is a member

of his administration from law there's absolutely zero evidence of

that. Well he says, in defence to him,

he says he feels partly vindicated on that because maybe, we

haven't seen the evidence, but maybe No, he said at the

beginning that President Obama ordered tapping

of him, that was a lie. You mentioned the Russian hacking

which was a help to the In the big picture, how big

a difference do you think the Podesta e-mails, how big

a difference to you think they made? One of the things they did,

they kept that whole idea of e-mails So none of the particular

e-mails, many of them hardly got above the radar in

mainstream media, but in the social media there was a kind

of subterranean effect. And I think it laid

the groundwork when Mr Comey came in and reopened

the e-mail investigation. The public confused

and conflated all that and eight days later when he said never mind,

there's nothing to this, it still had a corrosive effect

on the campaign. What did you think as you saw your

words, words sent to you being paraded in

respectable journalists? Did you think they were doing

their job or that they should I was just trying to deal

with it on a daily basis. I thought that the reflection

of where they came from and the fact that there was substantiation that

the Russians had hacked my e-mails, the DNC e-mails, that Wikileaks

was an instrument of an attempt by Vladimir Putin and the Russian

Federation to undermine our democracy, that could have been

reflected in the press and I don't And I think that was actually

a failing on behalf of the mainstream media and particularly

some of the major news outlets in What should the Labour

Party do here? It's in a very low place

in the polls here at the moment. I think that's going to be a process

that's going to have to work itself out with voices arguing

for things that point I think it's not enough to simply be

a voice of opposition if you have no strategy to be

viable or electable again. And ultimately that

will be rewarded. I think the plan is for us to upload

and an edited version of that interview to our YouTube channel

tomorrow. But to finish tonight,

we thought we should return Westminster Bridge is no

ordinary Thames crossing - it is a destination

as well as a transit point. It has wide pavements and a lively

atmosphere, and lovely views. You'll bump into tourists there -

literally, and a lot No-one should let hate-mongers

appropriate its symbolism. So Tom Hollander has come

in to help us reclaim it. Composed upon Westminster Bridge by

William Wordsworth. Earth has not anything

to show more fair: Dull would he be of

soul who could pass by A sight so touching in its majesty:

This City now doth, like a garment, wear The beauty

of the morning; silent, bare, Ships, towers, domes,

theatres, and temples lie Open unto the fields,

and to the sky; All bright and glittering

in the smokeless air. Never did sun more beautifully steep

in his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill; Ne'er saw I,

never felt, a calm so deep! The river glideth

at his own sweet will: The very houses seem

asleep; And all that mighty Good evening. The weekend is just

around the corner and the weather does not look bad, quite promising

for most of the UK with some sunshine in the forecast. In the

short