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SPEAKER: In respectful memory of those who lost their lives in
yesterday's attack and of all the casualties of that attack we shall
now observe a minute's silence. Politicians and the public
pay their respects to the victims Khalid Masood was the man
who attacked the heart of London. He had a history of convictions
for violent crimes - Yesterday an act of terrorism tried
to silence our democracy. But today we meet as normal, as generations
have done before us and as future generations will continue to do. To
deliver a simple message - we are not afraid.
We'll ask what - if anything - we can do to stop another
We'll ask the Security Minister if its time for more
And - as Westminster Bridge re-opens we'll try and figure out
The lights behind me turn green, the four by four moves forward and then
it mounts the pavement. That's the moment when it is clear something is
going wrong. The attack has begun. Perhaps the most striking thing
about the man named today as yesterday's attacker is not
that he was British-born - Nor that he had previous
convictions, for public order offences, GBH and possession
of offensive weapons. No, it is his age -
he was 52 years old. That's a different profile to that
of so many other attackers, who are characterised
as young hot-heads. Although that is not believed to be
his birth name. He personally hired the car used
in the attack yesterday. As Richard Watson told us last
night, it came from a branch of Enterprise Car Rental
in Spring Hill, Birmingham. Masood gave his profession
as "Teacher" when renting Well, here is Richard now,
on what we know about the man. Terrorists are usually young, but
the Westminster attack was carried out by one of the world's oldest,
British citizen Khalid Masood. At 52 he was positively middle-aged.
Khalid Masood was born in Kent on Christmas Day 1964. There is no
birth listed with those details. Police say he used a number of
aliases. He had a range of convictions. His first was in
November 1983 for criminal damage. Others included GBH, possession of
offensive weapons and public order offences. The last was for
possession of a knife in December 2003. Police think he had been most
recently living in the West Midlands. Police were searching for
clues at a number of properties today. There were raids overnight in
Birmingham in the Ladywood and Winson Green areas of the city.
There has also been police activity in Wales, Forest gate in east
London, Surrey and Sussex with eight arrests. In Birmingham where one
woman was convinced that the man on the stretcher Khalid Masood, was her
neighbour, who moved away two to three months ago. I spoke to him
just once but it was just how are you? Not much conversation. He was a
calm person. I feel terrorised and scared because I've lived in this
house for 12 years and nothing like this has happened before and I could
never imagine, I saw those things on the TV. The Enterprise car hire
depot in Spring Hill, Birmingham, last night Newsnight revealed
research by a team at Kings College London that showed the car used in
the attack was hired from here. Using open source methodology we
found out that the car was first registered in Essex, was then
transferred over to Birmingham with Enterprise, the Spring Hill branch
where it was rented on the 16th of March by Khalid Masood, six days
before the attack which obviously begs the question, what was
happening in the meantime? One focus for police is the missing six days,
the car's movements. What I can confirm is that the man
was British-born and that some years ago he was once investigated by MI5
in relation to concerns about violent extremism. He was a
peripheral figure. The case is historic. He was not part of the
current intelligence picture. There was no prior intelligence of his
intent or the plot, intensive investigations continue. This very
early admission that Khalid Masood was on the radar seems to be an
attempt to take the sting out of any criticism. Security sources also
told us he was a peripheral figure. Newsnight understands MI5 has
started a systematic re-evaluation of intelligence on Masood.
The language is striking force of the term peripheral was also used to
describe the London bombers Mohammad Sidique Khan. This programme
revealed that in 2005 Mohammad Sidique Khan featured in MI5
surveillance into an earlier plot and when that story was confirmed
much later in a visual report he was once again described as a peripheral
figure. You can see why they are sensitive.
Security sources have told Newsnight that more than 3000 people in the UK
are persons of interest in relation to violent extremism. Many will be
low risk but sifting the wheat from the chaff is a huge challenge. The
fact that the security service cannot offer 100% protection from
such attacks in a liberal democracy is now an admission officials
realise must be made and made early. Richard Watson there.
Joining me is the former Head of the National Counter
Terrorism Security Office, Chris Phillips.
And Anas Altikriti, who's founder and CEO
Before we go further, the age, Chris, surprised, 52? It's unusual
but it is not out of the ordinary. In other countries we have had
people of an old age but yes, it is unusual. It is unusual for a reason,
that you tend to think the younger ones are just more prone to be
radicalised, have more of an open mind to be brainwashed or whatever.
Whether or not he has been brainwashed, or whether he is
suffering from some sort of mental illness that is quite feasible as
well. It is quite unusual. Do you also find the age surprising?
Surprising in terms of it being out of sync with the most recent attacks
that we've seen across Europe, probably. But I think that the
playbook on terrorism and the profiles of prospective terrorists,
I think that needs to be re-addressed. It has the hallmarks
of a lone wolf attack. He used very low-tech, very primitive means, he
didn't have any explosives, he didn't have any guns as such, a
kitchen knife and a car which proved deadly in this particular
circumstance, but nonetheless, I think the whole thing needs to be
looked at. We really need to know more about this man. What we know
now is that he was born and bred in Britain and we know that he had a
catalogue of criminal offences. Smaller criminal offences, right.
Let's drill down into this issue of how you prevent, and I use the word
deliberately because that's the name of the government policy for doing
it, how do you prevent people from becoming radicalised, and that is
your department, Anas. We have this dilemma, gently, who you bring into
the Prevent strategy? Only allow mainstream thinkers to help us take
people away from the radicals, or do you allow people who you might call
semi-radical to help woo the people from more extreme radicals? I think
the main problem, you are talking about who to bring into Prevent, I
think Prevent itself is a major problem and successive governments
have proposed strategies that are built on baseless ideas and
information about the community. The Muslim community is a very complex,
very diverse mosaic of all sorts of cultures, backgrounds and traditions
within Islam. Unfortunately Prevent has managed over the past, I would
suggest, since 2005, to alienate more than 90% of that Muslim
community. Therefore, it has proven to be divisive, rather than as we
need today, for the whole community to come together and be in sync with
the whole British public in finding this quite offensive... I know that
David Cameron thought your group, he called you a political front for the
Muslim Brotherhood and didn't want you to be used by the state to help
sway people from more radical views. Do you see there is a dilemma that
there are lots of people in the mainstream Muslim world whose views
are acceptable and some whose views are abhorrent to most British
people? It depends whether we are talking about political views. I
think this is where for instance David Cameron found my organisation
to be distasteful to him, and why for instance we are being shut out
from any kind of consultation. Not that we are actively seeking it, we
are busy enough. But the problem is you either talk to people who are
either engaged on the streets and who get to meet the vulnerable pool
of people who might be driven, and might be attracted to extremism and
radicalism, or if you wish you can talk to those who say the things you
like, who stand by the politics of government. That's the dilemma. The
problem is we are facing what I would suggest is quite a serious
threat and governments need to rise above the churlishness honoured to
be honest. So in a word... Saying I don't like what you think and
therefore I will not engage with you. So you would engage more
widely? Not more widely but with the people that matter, even though they
might harbour political views the government disagrees with. Chris
Kermode let's talk about the security aspect of this. First of
all, would you consider this an intelligence failure? The fact he
was known and not being watched, is that by definition an intelligence
failure? No, absolutely not, and there will be a rush to blame people
for this, as there always is, and we must steer away from it. This is a
person that has passed among many years ago, involved in violence. May
have been on the periphery of terrorism in some way. There are too
many people with that profile for you to watch them all? Literally
thousands. If you think of surveillance on one person for 24
hours is going to be 850 person police officer job, we haven't got
enough police officers in the world to do that. -- a 50 person police
officer job. A lot of people were surprised it was a protection
officer who shot him rather than one of the police at the Palace of
Westminster. You need to understand how the Palace of Westminster works.
The police are there almost as guests of the Parliamentary team and
have to carry the weapons they are given to some extent. Yes, it's
interesting that there wasn't the machine gun guys nearby. But, of
course, this was a success actually for the security of the Palace. He
didn't get in. He walked five or six yards and was taken out. What would
change? If you asked the police, guys, what would you do? What would
you change? Would you say more guns and more armed officers? More
Tasers? What do you think? The average officer is now moving
towards being armed, however, there is an inclination to say we don't
need to go down that route yet. The most important thing is there is
enough resources given to the police to do the job properly.
Tasers are an interesting one because if this officer had had a
Taser, dealing with a knife attack is quite feasible. How many officers
have tasers? A small amount who are on response teams, the important
thing is to realise there are less officers on the street now than ever
before and if this attack had happened anywhere but the most
policed building in the country the results would have been different.
We need to leave it there. Anas and Chris, thank you.
After the 7/7 attack 12 years ago now, when the names of victims
emerged, it was one of the first occasions that you could register
just how international London had become; so many
Well, yesterday's attack hit a tourist site, and it is not
surprising that the victims there came from 11
One man from Utah was among the dead, Kurt Cochran.
And one British woman with a Spanish background also died - Aysha Frade.
Boris Johnson was at the UN in New York today, and said
the attack on London, was an attack on the world.
John Sweeney has the story of what happened yesterday
The horror started at 2:40pm. 24 hours on Westminster Bridge is open.
But it's time to try and understand what happened here as best we can.
The lights behind me turned green, the four by four moves forward and
then it mounts the pavement. That's the moment when its clear something
is going wrong. The attack has begun. The car was a four by four,
Khalid Masood behind the wheel. The four by four is accelerating hard
and here it hits the first group of people. There is an American
standing here and he is hit so hard he is thrown over this wall. Kurt
Cochran was in London to celebrate his 25th wedding anniversary. His
wife was injured but survived. His death was announced today. I got a
quick look over the wall and see this guideline on the ground. The
doctors arrived two seconds after I see that. Sebastien Ramos, eating
from Colombia, was cycling across the bridge on his way home. He was
not moving. I stared at him for 20, 30 seconds and he just did not move.
He was so white. Watch the white circle moving from right to left,
that is Khalid Masood's four by four barrelling along the pavement at
high speed. There's been an accident, a car has just mown down
about three people on Westminster Bridge. People start calling 999 and
hurrying to help the injured. Almost every tourist who comes to London
comes to Westminster Bridge. This is one of the great selfie spots in
London. There is a group of people here, among them a remaining
architect. She is with a bloke in London, it's his birthday. And then
this second group of people are ploughed through by Khalid Masood.
This is the moment when she is thrown or jumps off the bridge. She
was seen floating down the river but was rescued. Her condition is
critical. Today Londoners and the world came to pay their respects.
Three dead on the bridge at least. Why choose here? It would strike at
the very heart of our democracy, the seat of our democracy at the Houses
of Parliament. Plus maybe the tourist factor. This is always a
honeypot for tourists. It's a beautiful bridge, beautiful setting.
And that was possibly his motives. So at this point Khalid Masood had
been driving at speed for 200 metres, maybe more, the length of
Westminster Bridge. He comes here and wipes out a third group of
people. Then there's a security barrier there and he's beginning to
run out of road. My god. He wasn't done. He crashed below Big Ben,
trapping one more bystander against the railings. Yesterday Westminster
Bridge saw cruelty beyond belief, but also something else. As soon as
I get to the bridge, so many people rushed to the victims trying to help
them. The only thing I can do for them is pray for them. The story
ended in Parliament with Masood taking one more life and then it was
the end of him. This old Bridge has seen a lot in its time. Yesterday's
horror was met today with resolution. Life and London goes on.
Before we move on a video has emerged.
Tonight a video has emerged of the Prime Minister being lead
to a car in the House of Commons just moments after the attack.
It's been released by the Sun newspaper.
She is surrounded by protection officers.
It is clearly a very tense situation.
This morning she was back in the Commons.
She said it would be open for business this
As you'd expect it was a sombre occasion as MPs paid their respects
to the victims of yesterday's attack.
Members on all sides paid tribute to Keith Palmer -
and to those who fought so valiantly to save him.
We shall now observe a minute's silence.
A police officer, PC Keith Palmer, was killed defending us,
defending Parliament and defending Parliamentary democracy.
He was every inch a hero and his actions will never be forgotten.
PC Keith Palmer, who I first met 25 years ago as Gunner Keith Palmer
at Headquarters Battery 100 Regiment, Royal Artillery.
He was a strong, professional public servant.
And it was a delight to meet him here again only a few months
Not only did he show huge professionalism in putting his past
training to the use and the hope that he had of rescuing
the life of PC Keith Palmer, but of course it was in the middle
of a terrorist attack and our right honourable friend
is somebody who knows the trauma and tragedy of losing somebody
This attacker and people like him are not of my religion,
nor are they of our community, and we should condemn
all of them who pretend to be of a particular religion,
If they were of religion they would not be carrying
We have to stay united and show them that they can't win on these grounds
This was an horrific crime and it has cost lives and caused injury.
But as an act of terror it has failed.
It has failed because we are here and we are going to go
Our political editor, Nick Watt, is here.
Parliament, the Palace of Westminster, are there, since that
security, for all the fact he did not get far, are their concerns
about security? There are real concerns about senior MPs and senior
peers that this attack could have been far worse. The BBC reported
that Masood was shot dead light protection officers protecting the
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon. In other words he was not shot by armed
police attached to Parliament. I spoke to one former Cabinet minister
who told me that had those protection officers not been on the
Parliamentary estate, because of course ministers spend most of their
time outside Parliament, then Khalid Masood could have ventured much
further. Interesting in that statement the speaker made pretty
clear there is going to be a lessons learned review launched. The other
question people are asking, he was known to the police and MI5, was
this an intelligence failure? That's what we had in Richard Watson's
report, he was on the MI5 radar a number of years ago in connection
with violent extremism, although he was a peripheral figure. Amber Rudd
this evening told the BBC it would be wrong to blame the intelligence,
MI5 for a failure. The reason why ministers believe there was not an
intelligence failure if they believe that this attack exactly fitted the
mould identified in recent years by Andrew Parker, the MI5
director-general, talking about lone actors launching attacks, almost
impossible to detect. Andrew Parker said these attacks would be of
relatively low sophistication but of course they would be deadly.
Interesting this use of intelligence will be investigated by Parliament
intelligence and Security committee. They are taking the view that Andrew
Parker's warning has clearly come true. Thank you.
Earlier I spoke to the Security Minister - Ben Wallace.
I asked him about reports it was a minister's close protection
officer who shot Masood, and if there had been any other
First of all I'm not going to speculate on the allegations that
you make about who actually was involved in the shooting.
I think what I can certainly say is that anybody who works
there or goes there and I know you've been there yourself,
there are plenty of armed officers around the House of Commons
and House of Lords, both inside and outside and also
the area, the sort of government quarter, there's a whole range
of police forces that cover that area.
Diplomatic protection, Metropolitan Police and other police
and there are plenty of guns available and on show
OK, let's take another area, that of surveillance.
Again it's an area where you need to strike the right balance
between keeping an eye on bad people and respecting individual liberties.
Are you satisfied that balance is right at the moment?
We have, we think, got the balance right.
That's why we passed the Investigatory Powers Act
through Parliament only recently supported by all parties
in the House of Commons and the House of Lords.
But it is a balance that we constantly review.
In law we have to do everything that is proportionate and necessary.
And despite the criticisms we get from a whole range of commentators
and sometimes people in the media will say that the surveillance state
Actually from what I see first hand, our surveillance officers
and police absolutely stick to that law and try their very best to make
It's a big challenge and a big responsibility for those people.
It is, but you take someone like Khalid Masood, who is known
to the police but not thought to be so risky that needs
Is there a category of person into which he would have fallen where
you will now say we should be erring on the side of keeping a closer
That is a general principle about to what extent we decide
to put people under surveillance and have that public debate,
which is what we did during the Investigatory Powers Act.
A number of people have come to the High Court and even
It's not about the act, it's about the resources
you are willing to put into following those people
No, no, it's actually about the legal framework
I ask regularly our intelligence services and police if they have
enough resources in the area of counterterrorism specifically.
That's why we gave them a 30% real terms increase on counterterrorism
funding across Whitehall to deal with the problem.
We police by consent in this society and we have to try
and make the balance of what is politically possible.
Some of my colleagues are authoritarian,
These things wouldn't get through Parliament unless we try
and seek a balance to make sure the law is in place to do the job.
And I think this is something that's really important
about intelligence here and it happens all too frequently.
A long time ago I was an intelligence officer
in Northern Ireland, I dealt with intelligence
Intelligence is not 100% perfect, it's often scraps or tiny
And intelligence officers and police have to try and stick those together
and make judgments on very often impartial information.
Those judgments are high risk, often, but more often
than not they get it right, and no one ever does programmes
about the 400 pieces of intelligence that were dealt with correctly
They always try and see or make allegations
I wasn't implying it was an intelligence failure.
I'm just asking whether there's a lesson to be learnt from this.
Both on guns and surveillance your answer has been, effectively,
you are fairly satisfied with where we are.
And I suppose the question that leads me to is whether we just have
to accept there is a certain inevitability about the odd lone
wolf attackers wielding great harm using weapons like cars or knives?
Well, we have consistently said it's not a matter if but when.
We have dealt with terrorism in this country for decades.
Originally, from all over the world, including in my childhood
Northern Irish terrorism, and now obviously international
We have always said, look, we know these things are very
Some of the threats are very hard to stop.
If somebody wants to suddenly change their mind, get in a car,
or grab a knife and stab the first person next to them,
it's a real challenge of how we are going to deal with that.
That's why we've invested in our intelligence services
and some of the surveillance capabilities that we often
But it's also why we try and make sure the public are involved in this
debate because it is community, it is neighbours and friends
and parents and teachers that can help prevent people
being radicalised in the first place, or make a call
to the police or local authority if they are worried about how
And that's how we are really going to make sure we minimise the risk.
Is making sure the public and communities of all faiths,
all up and down this country, engage with our security services
That's how we will prevent people becoming radicalised and how
we will protect the public and reduce the risk.
It is inevitable that every atrocity prompts a discussion about how
we can do things differently, to obstruct those
Now this makes for difficult decisions - you'll hear the claim
that we mustn't yield to terror by changing our lives -
but of course over the years we have altered things -
the rules of what we take on planes, security at buildings.
So are there lessons to be drawn from yesterday's attack,
in Antwerp today, when a car accelerated at a crowd
Our policy editor, Chris Cook, looks at whether we can design
cities that are safer against these attacks.
Yesterday's attack began with a card being used as a weapon against
pedestrians on Westminster Bridge. Today in Antwerp the authorities
believe they have prevented a similar attack. Last year truck
attacks killed 98 people in Nice and Berlin. So, can we make our cities
safer against weaponised vehicles? When you hear about hardening cities
against attack by terrorists you might think of the ugly concrete
blocks that appear at events in London like the one happening
tonight in memory of the victims of yesterday's attack. But actually a
lot of the hardening of our urban environments is quite subtle. This
is the Cabinet Office, the centre of our government. It has a wall
running in front of most of it which looks like old crumbly sandstone but
it's actually a high-tech barrier that would stop they lorry. The UK
worried about this for years, this is a 7.5 tonne truck taking part in
a regular test at the transport research laboratory in Berkshire.
This is a long-standing issue in urban design. We even have very
clearly defined strengthening standards for by Lance. One of the
things that's been going on for a long time now is the creation of
hard landscaping to provide a barrier between the roads and
pedestrians -- by Lance. These can be in the form of large stone
structures we can see her in Whitehall and steel bollards most of
us appreciate are there to stop vehicles getting onto pavements. But
also things like landscaping in the form of planters, or belts of
landscaping, anything that provides what is called stand-off between
vehicles and buildings and pedestrians. There are, though,
limits to what we can do with hardened environments. The concept
of target hardening has some practical limitations. You cannot
paralyse an entire city by putting barriers, or closing off entire
areas to transit without having any impact on the transport and daily
life of a city. On the other hand you are incurring the risk of
displacing the threat somewhere else. The entire city cannot be a
fortress so if a terrorist realises about an area is too hard to hit
they will just move the attention somewhere else.
So, in the end, the answer has to be stopping assaults. How, though, do
you stop people whose plans need so little planning?
Obviously you have to continue to beef up intelligence. But
intelligence is not necessarily end of the technological spectrum,
trying to track chatter in the Middle East and that sort of stuff,
which is useful but probably not terribly relevant to the sort of
things which happened in Nice last year and possibly in London
yesterday. But what I would call community intelligence. But in
French we would call renseignement de
proximite. It depends how much we are prepared to put up with. Chris
Cooke, there. Well, there is a pattern
to the reaction in major It reflects the fact
that there is something more traumatic for a population,
about death and injury at the hands of someone trying to do harm,
than in the normal urban routine. You've seen the same defiance,
sentiment and unity in Paris, Brussels and in London,
and there was a vigil at Trafalgar Square this evening,
and I went down to talk to people Well, the short ceremony
is over, the vigil is over. We heard words from Amber Rudd,
the Home Secretary, from the Mayor A familiar message about how London
will and should react to events And then the silence observed not
just by the many people in the square but of course
by the lack of traffic around. I think it's that sense
of solidarity with being a Londoner. I've lived here for about 20 years,
I love the diversity of this city. What happened yesterday
was a horrendous thing. You can't let it put up barriers
against people who are different. You've just got to come together
and that's happened here. My heart goes out to the victims
who have tragically lost their lives And I actually live in Birmingham
and I actually drove past this particular place that was raided
yesterday, and I work in London, so I thought I'd come
and pay my respects today. I think as a Londoner you do feel
connected and you want to be with fellow Londoners
at a time like this. But I also feel that at the same
time it reminds me of everyone who's under these kind of attacks
around the world. Obviously when terrible things
happen like what happened yesterday it's sometimes very difficult
to kind of continue to feel positive about how
we can work together. But I personally have faith
in people to continue Today I was expecting
most of us to be Muslims But when I see different cultures
standing for that thing, It shows you that
still the world is OK. The scenes at the Trafalgar Square
vigil earlier. Richard Watson, who you heard from the programme today
and yesterday, briefly joins me. Richard, more information in the
last few minutes about Khalid Masood. That's right, this wire copy
has dropped and the BBC has confirmed the name of Khalid Masood
and this is a story the Daily Mail were running, it wasn't confirmed
until now but now the BBC has confirmed it, his birth name was
Adrian elms, born in Dartford in Kent and lived at various times in
Rye, Crawley, West Sussex, Eastbourne in East Sussex, the BBC
confirms this is a man who has been convicted of knife crime offences --
Adrian Elms. That tallies with information put out by the
Metropolitan Police. This is the first confirmation of that. Richard,
thank you. Let's move on to
another subject now. And Hillary Clinton's
election campaign manager, John Podesta is in London
at the moment, for The Economist Now Podesta's name is perhaps
most famous for the fact that it was his emails that
were hacked, and which caused embarrassment
to the Clinton campaign. But he has a long career in politics
on the Democrat side - he was chief of staff
to President Bill Clinton in the White House under President
Obama. It was Mr Podesta who came
on stage on election night, I met up with him earlier today,
to talk about politics, here and in the US,
and his experience But first, in light of his speech
at the summit, I asked him how the world should respond to any
decision by President Trump to pull The most fundamental
problem is what he's doing in the United States
which is to really attack the fundamental pillars
of environmental protection. He's set the country on a course
that is really ignoring the science and ignoring
the tremendous cost that the United States
and of course the world will be faced
with as a result of climate change. You happen to be
in London at the time horrendous incident in Westminster
yesterday. should react to these
atrocities? Look, I think you have to do
everything you can to protect to justice the people who are
responsible. I know that the assailant
was killed yesterday but there are others who appear to be
involved and need to be arrested. But I think you also
have to try to retain and be restrained in terms
of retaining your ability to operate
in a free and open way. It's five months now
since the election In a nutshell, what's your account
of why he prevailed? He was able to put together
narrow wins in Wisconsin got him the victory in the electoral
college. He had a little assist from
the Russians as we are finding out more from every day,
and a little assist actually from our
director of the FBI. How do you think liberal America
should react to what we are seeing President Trump
is doing and what he's like in his I think you see it
out on the street. You saw it the day after his
inauguration with the women's march, marches
that took place. And you support that
kind of approach? Absolutely, I'm fully
into the resistance. And what would happen
if there was no resistance? I think that we would see
a growing authoritarianism. And I think we've seen that
played out across other places, particularly
in Eastern Europe, In a way, what you are
describing sounds, well, unprecedented, really,
in the history of democracy. I think we are in a whole
different world with somebody who, to cite
the latest example, When every person who is a member
of his administration from law there's absolutely zero evidence of
that. Well he says, in defence to him,
he says he feels partly vindicated on that because maybe, we
haven't seen the evidence, but maybe No, he said at the
beginning that President Obama ordered tapping
of him, that was a lie. You mentioned the Russian hacking
which was a help to the In the big picture, how big
a difference do you think the Podesta e-mails, how big
a difference to you think they made? One of the things they did,
they kept that whole idea of e-mails So none of the particular
e-mails, many of them hardly got above the radar in
mainstream media, but in the social media there was a kind
of subterranean effect. And I think it laid
the groundwork when Mr Comey came in and reopened
the e-mail investigation. The public confused
and conflated all that and eight days later when he said never mind,
there's nothing to this, it still had a corrosive effect
on the campaign. What did you think as you saw your
words, words sent to you being paraded in
respectable journalists? Did you think they were doing
their job or that they should I was just trying to deal
with it on a daily basis. I thought that the reflection
of where they came from and the fact that there was substantiation that
the Russians had hacked my e-mails, the DNC e-mails, that Wikileaks
was an instrument of an attempt by Vladimir Putin and the Russian
Federation to undermine our democracy, that could have been
reflected in the press and I don't And I think that was actually
a failing on behalf of the mainstream media and particularly
some of the major news outlets in What should the Labour
Party do here? It's in a very low place
in the polls here at the moment. I think that's going to be a process
that's going to have to work itself out with voices arguing
for things that point I think it's not enough to simply be
a voice of opposition if you have no strategy to be
viable or electable again. And ultimately that
will be rewarded. I think the plan is for us to upload
and an edited version of that interview to our YouTube channel
tomorrow. But to finish tonight,
we thought we should return Westminster Bridge is no
ordinary Thames crossing - it is a destination
as well as a transit point. It has wide pavements and a lively
atmosphere, and lovely views. You'll bump into tourists there -
literally, and a lot No-one should let hate-mongers
appropriate its symbolism. So Tom Hollander has come
in to help us reclaim it. Composed upon Westminster Bridge by
William Wordsworth. Earth has not anything
to show more fair: Dull would he be of
soul who could pass by A sight so touching in its majesty:
This City now doth, like a garment, wear The beauty
of the morning; silent, bare, Ships, towers, domes,
theatres, and temples lie Open unto the fields,
and to the sky; All bright and glittering
in the smokeless air. Never did sun more beautifully steep
in his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill; Ne'er saw I,
never felt, a calm so deep! The river glideth
at his own sweet will: The very houses seem
asleep; And all that mighty Good evening. The weekend is just
around the corner and the weather does not look bad, quite promising
for most of the UK with some sunshine in the forecast. In the
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