02/05/2017 Newsnight


02/05/2017

Featuring Diane Abbott, the deficit, Brexit skirmishes, selling Jeremy Corbyn on the doorstep, the official election artist and anorexia. With Evan Davis.


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We will half the deficit. As we reduce the deficit, our country is

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facing the largest budget deficit in modern history.

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No one seems to be talking about it - does that mean we can stop

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The parties are not saying much about money at the moment.

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But taxes, spending and borrowing are what governments do.

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Tonight, we'll ask if election promises on tax and spending can

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Also tonight, the 15-year-old anorexia sufferer who took her own

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life after being discharged from mental health care

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We'll hear from the writer Emma Woolf, who suffered

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And Cornelia Parker has been appointed

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What's caught her cultured eye so far?

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You do like a dimpled seat. I hope I am not fixated on bottoms.

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However hard the parties may try to control election campaigns,

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they are inevitably punctuated by unpredictable events.

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We've not had anything quite like that yet,

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but Labour today had it's most awkward moment of

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A big announcement on police numbers, and then, on LBC,

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the Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott faced presenter

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Nick Ferrari - this is Ms Abbott on The Daily Politics listening back

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How much would 10,000 police officers cost?

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Well, if we recruit the 10,000 policemen and women over a four-year

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period, we believe it will be about ?300,000.

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Our political editor Nick Watt is here.

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It was excruciating. Excruciating, embarrassing worthy adjectives

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thrown around today and that was the Labour side. You know things are

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going badly when your fellow frontbenchers, in this case on the

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Labour side, are joking with Conservative ministers on the other

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side about how badly you have done. Privately, Diane Abbott is telling

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friends it was a car crash into view. One friend said, it is a bit

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like a moment when you wake up and you think, was it really that bad?

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And the answer is yes, it was. These accidents happen and it is not the

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first time Nick Ferrari has put someone in that situation,, Natalie

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Bennett in the last election of the Green Party. The danger is this. It

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makes Labour looked dysfunctional and it plays into the conservative

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narrative that you have certainty with them and chaos under a future

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Labour government. Interestingly it shows there are poor relations

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between two of the leading members of the Shadow Cabinet who are old

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comrades on the left, which is Diane Abbott who was supposed to introduce

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the 10,000 officers, and John MacDonald the Shadow Chancellor who

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is meant to pay for them. I understand Diane Abbott until 2am

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this morning was poring over a laboured oximeter because she feared

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the weak spot for her in the interview is Labour had indicated

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the policy areas that would be paid for from the pot she was using, the

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2.7 billion from reversing a cut in capital gains tax. She had an answer

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to that when she was asked on the Today programme. She said this was

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before the manifesto and this is the manifesto but when she was asked the

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simple question, how much would it cost, her friend said she was thrown

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off her stride. Well, in most elections,

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everything comes back to money, which is why questions are always

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asked about costings. If anything, this one so far

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has been about Brexit, and it's as though the deficit,

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which dominated for years, So the well-regarded and independent

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Institute for Fiscal Studies has published a realty check today,

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helpfully telling us everything about it,

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and what it is that the last two Parliaments have done,

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or not done to it. It covers the deficit,

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on taxes and spending. Chris Cook has been delving

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inside the IFS report. One topic was central to the last

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two general elections. We will half the deficit over the next four

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years. As we reduce the deficit. Our country is facing the largest budget

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deficit in modern history. And you can expect it to recur in this one.

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We need a credible plan for dealing with the deficit. Despite a rather

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different contexts. We will clear the deficit as soon as possible. The

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financial crisis and recession increase the deficit to the highest

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level since the Second World War back in 2009-10. It has generally

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fallen since and is back to level before the crisis, a bit above the

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average but not high by historical standards, so there is a case for

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more deficit reduction, not least because we have racked up debt over

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the years but not a deficit so large it is extraordinary or out of normal

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bounds. It stands at about 3% of national output, which is a bit high

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but less than the deficits of France, the US and Japan. More than

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the deficits in Germany or Ireland and the permanent memento of the

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crisis, the debt burden is 80%, still smaller than the US, France

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and Japan, but again ahead of Germany or Ireland. Since 2010 there

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have been some things that have not been restrained from growing, like

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pensions. There are things that have been relatively shielded, like the

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NHS. There are some things that have been boosted, like international

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development. Overall, there has been a major spending squeeze. After the

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financial crisis spending rose to a peak of around 45% of output and

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since then, it has been squeezed to the precrisis level of just under

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40%. Now tax receipts have in recent years just started to creep up. But

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it is spending cuts that have done most of the working closing the

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deficit. The fiscal problem for the government is we are seven years

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into the austerity drive and the low hanging fruit has been plucked. It

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is hard to see how the NHS will stay within its budget for the next few

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years. It is already miles of targets and schools are planning to

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lay off teachers to get through the next budget round. And the prison

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system is creaking. Austerity is a lot harder than it used to be. Doing

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spending cuts painlessly will become more difficult over time. The waste

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and low value programmes are likely to have been eliminated already and

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if we look at the last election, David Cameron was adamant the

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government could take 1% a year out of public spending the first two

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years but the data shows spending rose in those years. Instead of

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taking 15 billion out they have added 23 billion. That is why the

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Tories have drifted into line with what were Ed Miliband's spending

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plans. The Tories attacked Labour in 2015 for planning to spend more and

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we can expect that argument this time around but if the Conservatives

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want to close the deficit by the next Parliament, they need another

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?15 billion in tax hikes or spending cuts. And all the easy spending cuts

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have gone. Chris Philp is a Conservative MP

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on the Treasury Select Committee. Mariana Mazzucato is Professor

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in the Economics of Innovation and Public Value at UCL,

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and sat on the Labour Party's Chris, why did the Tories implement

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Ed Miliband's manifesto during the parliament that is just finishing?

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The Conservatives did what was fiscally responsible, taking down

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Labour's deficit down to 3%. That is not the question, it was why have

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you implemented Ed Miliband's rather than your own goals? It is only two

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years. He went into the campaign with a lot of promises. You will

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attack the Labour Party in this one on the same grounds. I ask why you

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implemented their policy? I do not think Labour had the first intention

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of implementing that policy. It does not matter. Every measure we have

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taken to get the deficit under control was opposed by the Labour

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Party, every measure. The fact we have got it down from a peak of 10%

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to 3% is an incredible achievement. I mean by difficult circumstances

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the turbulence in the eurozone. We have had an election since the

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turbulence in the eurozone and elected you on the basis of a

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manifesto and criticisms you made of Ed Miliband and you have implemented

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the Ed Miliband fiscal strategy. At the time many said your fiscal plans

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lacked credibility and you said trust us, we can do it. We have it

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from the IFS that you couldn't and you delivered the Ed Miliband plan.

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Public spending in real terms has been constant at... It has increased

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and you said you would reduce it. Your chart showed it down to 38% of

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GDP and it has been constant around 760 billion a year. You are quoting

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departmental expenditure limits. It would be ridiculous for voters to

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listen to what you have to say about Labour spending and tax plans, given

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what you said last time will stop we have reduced Labour's deficit. You

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keep repeating. I am saying what happened at the last election is you

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criticised Ed Miliband's plans and then deliver them. Why would we

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believe you if you make new criticisms because you might

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implement those. Going back to 2010 we hope to eliminate the deficit by

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2015. You are right, it has taken longer will stop it is heading in

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the right direction. Every measure we have taken the Labour Party have

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a pose. Only one party is fighting this with credibility and it is the

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Conservative Party. I spent time with Chris Philp because those

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issues come out of what the IFS said today. Does the deficit need

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attention? It is higher than the historical average. Should getting

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the deficit down PA goal of the next government? First-day correction,

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the deficit was not an average ten, 11% under Labour. Governments around

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the world after the crisis saved the capitalist system, with a stimulus

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that costs money. You are picking up a number during a year after the

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crisis. It was one year when governments saved the capitalist

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system. Deficits matter but what matters is what you are spending on.

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The figures you showed our telling. Italy's deficit today is lower than

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the UK deficit. Italy's deficit has been lower than Germany's the last

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20 years. What matters is how you are growing. What matters and what

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both parties should be talking about and are not, is the big elephant in

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the room, the source of growth in this country continues to be private

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debt, consumption led growth, not investment led growth. The issue of

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private debt to disposable income is back at record levels since before

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the crisis. What would your fiscal target be? 4% of GDP, 3%? You are

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obsessing. If the numbers are always going to be there. Did she learn

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anything from the Excel sheet problem when they obsess on this

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terrible number, when it went over 90, the debt to GDP, that was found

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to be irrelevant. It does not tell us much. I get from what you are

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saying that the kind of spending... Next question. Is spending more on

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police and welfare and more on all the things we know the Labour Party

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would like to spend more on, is that the kind of spending that gives you

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long-term growth? You need long-term growth, you want a plan for the

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country. Whether it is Germany's energy policy, not just capital

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expenditure, innovation, infrastructure, it is a type of

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spend you could call consumption, trying to change demand. Norway, why

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are 30% of Tesla cars sold in Norway? They focus on a particular

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consumption. This dilemma, should we spend on nurses or infrastructure...

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? People are worried if you say it is a false question. The data shows

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it is a false question. Weak countries have low debt to GDP ratio

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is, what does that tell you? Do you think in this campaign it will be an

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issue? Do you think this election campaign, we will talk about Brexit

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in Europe? It will be an issue because the Labour Party are making

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promises that cost a lot of money and they have no idea how to pay for

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it whereas the Conservatives will be responsible. The more irresponsible

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promises we hear from Labour to be paid for by our children. Economic

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policy has reduced how much we are spending on education. Why are

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headteachers all over the country protesting? Are they foolish? Let's

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not argue about it, we know it is going down. Project to the tea is

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lacking. The increase in real incomes has gone to over

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60-year-olds. We have an increasingly financial economy,

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personal debt to disposable income is back to record levels. How can

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you call that achievement? We need to leave it there.

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Well, back to the issue that is dominating the campaign - Brexit.

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Jean-Claude Juncker has tried to do to Theresa May,

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what Nick Ferrari did to Diane Abbott.

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He appeared to try to show that she has no grasp of the complex

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Certainly, weekend leaks about an awkward discussion at No 10

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last Wednesday have shown how hostile the mood might become.

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Politically all these headlines about them getting together and

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saying the UK is deluded. Cabinet ministers believe this will play

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nicely put them in the general election. One of them said this

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shows the Germans want to be nasty to us. So we will say to the British

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people do you want as Jeremy Corbyn dealing with this. They mentioned

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the Germans because they believe that the nation 's German chief of

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staff to the European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker was

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behind this briefing in the German press. And today Theresa May court

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Jean-Claude Juncker on the spot and told the BBC, do not forget I can be

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a bloody difficult woman. The irony is that was the language point last

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year by Kenneth Clarke who of course was a big pro-European Tories and

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the only Tory MP to vote against the triggering of Article 50. So a

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political dimension to this. Are we really learning anything about the

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Brexit process and how hard it is going to be? Well in the medium to

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longer term there are nervous on the Tory side. One senior Tory said this

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showed these negotiations are going to be very, very tough. Amongst

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ministers, opinions are divided. I spoke to one minister who said he

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feared this account at the dinner showed they are grand delusions

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within his own government and he cited the apparent remarks by David

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Davies the Brexit secretary at this dinner saying if there is no deal

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and Britain crashes out, we will not with a penny. This minister said

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that would inflict enormous reputational damage on the UK. Other

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ministers say these are predictable skirmishing is from well-known

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European federalist Jean-Claude Juncker. Well, someone with

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experience of this is with me now. With me in the studio

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is Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek Finance Minister

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who resigned back in 2015 He's now written a book

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about the whole experience, Are you surprised when you read

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these briefings going on about the Brexit dinner? Absolutely not, this

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is the way in which Brussels in piece negotiations. What they will

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be doing for the next couple of years is pushing London towards a

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defensive stance through leaks, distortions, and strategy of making

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Theresa May fight for her right to negotiate. She will be negotiating

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on her right and opportunity to negotiate. There will be no real

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negotiations. You famously recorded some of your Eurogroup meetings

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because the briefings where, you wanted to make sure the briefings

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were accurate at what you have heard in the meeting. Nothing strange

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about that, I had to report to Parliament, to my Prime Minister and

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cabinet. They were distortion? There were no briefings. But the main

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issue as far as I was concerned, I was engaged in ten are long

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negotiations and then would have to go to my Parliament and report on

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what happened. After ten long strenuous hours the human mind slips

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and suddenly becomes hazy. So not having minutes for this is the

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opposite of a democratic and transparent process. Do you think

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Brexit -- Brexit is going to work out for the UK? You were against it

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at the time of the referendum. I was against it and my great concern for

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both the European Union and the UK is that our leaders, London and

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Brussels, are locked in, a ranking of preferences, which produces a bad

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outcome for everyone. Their power, Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker,

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Angela Merkel, is inversely proportional to the mutual advantage

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we can get from it. What is driving the deep establishment, the European

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establishment you're referred to, these are not evil people, that is

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not your case. Everyone is trying to do their best, it is like watching

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King Lear and you wonder how can these smart people be so deluded,

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the characters in the tragedy. They are playing their role and what they

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think they need to do in this situation. Jean-Claude Juncker and

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the powers that be in Brussels, the greatest nightmare is a mutually

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advantageous agreement with the UK because in their mind it would

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encourage others to demand stuff and possibly get out of the EU. On the

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other hand Theresa May, she is locked in to this inanity of putting

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the end of freedom of movement above everything else. Above the interests

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of British industry, agriculture, universities. So this is a political

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failure of an immense degree. Politics these days, where are you

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on the liberal establishment because it is the most persecuted group at

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the moment, it has not had a great couple of years. In many respects

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you are talking about the liberal establishment and deep establishment

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as the same thing. They are two extent. These days they resemble a

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person was killed his parents and is pleading for leniency at the Court

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on the grounds that he is an awesome. They have been extremely

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authoritarian in the way they have dealt with us and are now dealing

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with Theresa May. They have been extremely authoritarian and imposing

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Lily economics. The idea that you take the largest loan in human

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history and give it to the most bankrupt state in Europe is Lily

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economics. And now they are in retreat, they are complaining about

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the alternative facts, distortions and leaks and the Lily economics.

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The deal back in the UK general election? Jeremy Corbyn for sure,

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I'm a leftist. But you are a bit of a fan of Emmanuel Macron in France.

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In the case of the UK I think is madness that the Labour Party is

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standing and putting up a candidate in places like Brighton against

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Caroline Lucas because of the sectarianism of the Progressive

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front. I wish there was a nuanced Progressive Alliance in the UK. But

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in France you're right, I'm a leftist, what a left doing in 2002

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when we had the ten senior pitted against Jacques Chirac, we all went

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behind Jacques Chirac. He admired Thatcher, he was a Conservative, not

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at all a friend of the left and yet the left used to understand that

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binding together with liberals and even neoliberals against the

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fascists are racist, ultrabright, was a absolute duty. Why have we

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changed that today? Because many of his voters are going to go because

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they're anti-globalisation. I am anti-globalisation but above

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everything else I am anti-racists. And antifascist. And we should see

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eye to eye. Macron is infinitely better by the way Ben Jacques Chirac

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was. He's the only minister I met during my tenure who understood the

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problems of Lily economics in Europe and tried to help Greece not to

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crash. Thank you very much. There is a contrast between the Tory

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and Labour campaigns, in that Theresa May is ahead

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of her party in the poll ratings, while Jeremy Corbyn

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is below his party. Now, one of the consequent

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weirdnesses about this campaign is that many Labour candidates

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are trying to distance Meanwhile, many Labour activists,

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of course, are enthusiastic about him and are campaigning hard

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in his name as well as Labour's. The Corbyn supporting

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group Momentum, is out So is there sometimes a dissonance

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between the line taken by the candidate and those

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who come to campaign? James Clayton has been

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to Luton South to see how the Labour Luton is that rarest thing

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in southern England. They have two MPs here,

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that's a sixth of Labour MPs in the whole of the South

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outside the capital. The local MP of Luton, Gavin Shukla,

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has a majority of just under 6000 from the Tories and that puts him

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in the cross hairs of So how are Labour MPs

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like Gavin Shukla planning Normally in an election

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what you would want to do is identify where your Labour vote

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is and turn them out. In this election we are doing it

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slightly differently. We are trying to identify

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where the people that are wobbly about voting Labour

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are and persuade them. There's always a bit

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of both in both campaigns, but with maybe one in five Labour

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voters with question marks about how they're

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going to put the X in the box, that is the absolute

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priority for us. The message that we are delivering

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on the doorstep, you can have a great local MP,

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but you do not want to give So you have got Theresa May,

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don't give her a blank cheque. That sounds like you're not

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particularly confident that you're Well look, the reality

:26:29.:26:30.

is if the polls are at least in the ballpark, Labour is not

:26:31.:26:34.

going to form the next government. It is quite a confusing

:26:35.:26:37.

message, isn't it? Because you are basically

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telling the electorate, we are the Labour Party,

:26:40.:26:40.

we are going to lose. The closer it looks nationally,

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arguably the harder it is to win some of these seats that we retain

:26:44.:26:52.

because the question marks about leadership,

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Brexit and other policy issues make it harder to make a case

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about a straight choice You've got a lovely picture

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of yourself and you've got But you do not have your great

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leader Jeremy Corbyn on there. Well to be honest in 2010 I did not

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have Gordon Brown and in 2015 Is that not more a reflection

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about your leaders! The reality is a seat like Luton

:27:16.:27:23.

is won by being a local candidate. You wouldn't offer up

:27:24.:27:28.

Jeremy Corbyn as a pitch The reality is if you are a floating

:27:29.:27:31.

voter, Labour supporter in the past with question marks now,

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most of the concerns So for that reason, it is not that

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kind of election for us. It has to be on our local records

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and not the national picture. Hi, my name is Elaine,

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I'm from the Labour Party. And I just want to know if you've

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got a few minutes to talk In London the grassroots campaigning

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group Momentum have been training local volunteers about how

:28:06.:28:09.

to campaign effectively And rather than focus on local

:28:10.:28:12.

issues, activists are teaching volunteers how to field

:28:13.:28:16.

difficult national questions. Here Jeremy Corbyn is seen very much

:28:17.:28:22.

as a positive on the doorstep. We think Jeremy represents

:28:23.:28:25.

something really wonderful. It is a new kind of

:28:26.:28:29.

politics, a kind politics. And we are very proud of that

:28:30.:28:31.

and we think that that And so we want to take

:28:32.:28:35.

that to the voters. But the local MPs do not

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necessarily think that? There is a lot of things going

:28:40.:28:41.

on in the party, as people know. But in this general election

:28:42.:28:45.

we think Jeremy Corbyn is someone that people can believe

:28:46.:28:48.

in and what he stands for and the politics

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that he represents is something So we are proudly

:28:52.:28:53.

taking that to people. Momentum is a mixed blessing

:28:54.:29:00.

for many Labour MPs. With 150,000 registered supporters,

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it is a potentially powerful Do you think that Momentum will be

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useful in this campaign? I think Momentum could be hugely

:29:08.:29:16.

useful if they can translate the numbers of supporters they have

:29:17.:29:20.

into people coming through the door of this campaign office

:29:21.:29:25.

and out on the doorstep. My membership has increased

:29:26.:29:28.

by three or four times But my number of activists has not

:29:29.:29:30.

increased really over So what we need is encouragement

:29:31.:29:35.

to say that if you want Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister,

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you have got to come out Labour's internal differences have

:29:42.:29:44.

been well publicised But just as members have wildly

:29:45.:29:52.

different ideas of what they want from Labour Party policy,

:29:53.:29:58.

so too do they differ on how best to convince constituents to vote

:29:59.:30:02.

Labour come June the 8th. If you are interested in seeing

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a full list of candidates for Luton South they'll be

:30:09.:30:13.

on the BBC News website If ever you needed evidence of how

:30:14.:30:15.

serious a mental condition that anorexia can be,

:30:16.:30:22.

the tragic case of 15-year-old She took her own life

:30:23.:30:25.

by stepping in front of a train She had been diagnosed

:30:26.:30:30.

with severe anorexia at age 13, had been sectioned and given

:30:31.:30:36.

treatment, her weight sometimes But, against her and her family's

:30:37.:30:40.

wishes, she was discharged She then killed herself

:30:41.:30:45.

just days later. Today, a jury inquest found that

:30:46.:30:50.

contributing to her death was a lack of support available for her family,

:30:51.:30:53.

and an inadequate care plan for her. This is Pip's mum Marie speaking

:30:54.:30:57.

outside the coroner's Anorexia has the highest mortality

:30:58.:31:01.

rate attributed to any psychiatric illness,

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with as many as 40% Too many of our children are dying

:31:07.:31:07.

from this terrible illness. Effective treatment is needed more

:31:08.:31:14.

quickly and if this had been available to our beautiful daughter

:31:15.:31:17.

maybe she would still With me in the studio is Emma Woolf,

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a writer and broadcaster who suffered from anorexia for 10

:31:20.:31:32.

years - she wrote the memoir We know that if you starve yourself,

:31:33.:31:48.

you endanger your life. Suicide by other means for people with

:31:49.:31:53.

anorexia, how common is that? It is very common. As Pippa's mother

:31:54.:31:59.

mentioned, anorexia has the highest mortality rate of any mental

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illness, higher than schizophrenia, which is surprising. It is not just

:32:06.:32:10.

people dying from a lack of food, it is that high suicide rate, because

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life becomes so desperate and miserable. Food for everyone else is

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the fuel for life and keeps your body going. As your brain and body

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staff, everything falls apart. It feels so difficult and desperate to

:32:27.:32:32.

keep going. What therapy is available? Particularly NHS therapy.

:32:33.:32:38.

How easy is it if your child is suffering, a teenager? At the moment

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we basically have basic medication, is, and talking therapy. Behavioural

:32:45.:32:51.

therapy and counselling. What is the state of the art on what works? What

:32:52.:32:59.

works is a combination of talking therapy, cognitive behavioural

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support. And if people are desperately underweight and need

:33:04.:33:09.

medical help they will have feeding. What I hear anecdotally from

:33:10.:33:16.

thousands of younger readers is that there are long waiting lists for

:33:17.:33:21.

help. As the mother said, there is not the help people need. Often it

:33:22.:33:27.

is rationed. To tell someone with anorexia who is losing weight, you

:33:28.:33:31.

are not thin enough the treatment is the most dangerous thing you can do.

:33:32.:33:37.

You are over it now? I am now, but it took a very long time and I don't

:33:38.:33:41.

think any of these treatments, it is not a magic with it. It took ten

:33:42.:33:48.

years of trying and failing and trying and failing again and it was

:33:49.:33:52.

a gradual process. There was nothing when you said you went to this

:33:53.:33:55.

person with this idea? Everybody wants a breakthrough, but it is

:33:56.:34:00.

about challenging yourself each time, gaining weight, losing it

:34:01.:34:07.

again, gaining weight, trying foods that scare you and realising having

:34:08.:34:12.

a slice of toast will not make you fat. These ridiculous fears, that is

:34:13.:34:18.

the thing, it does not make sense. It is the most inexplicable... For

:34:19.:34:24.

someone without anorexia to understand the mindset is difficult.

:34:25.:34:28.

You see a starving person and think, how can you not eat? It does not

:34:29.:34:33.

make sense and it does not make sense when you are in the midst of

:34:34.:34:37.

it. You cannot understand why you can't eat, but you can't. Research

:34:38.:34:43.

has shown us it is about the brain, there are conditions within the

:34:44.:34:49.

brain. It is a brain disease, not a lifestyle choice. It is important to

:34:50.:34:53.

understand people are not making a choice. Thanks very much.

:34:54.:34:55.

Who knew we needed an election artist?

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But we do have one, appointed by the Speaker's Advisory

:34:59.:35:00.

Who better to serve in that role than Cornelia Parker?

:35:01.:35:06.

An artist famous for grand installations, provocative

:35:07.:35:08.

performances pieces and a fair dose of wit, she's already

:35:09.:35:11.

begun an election-themed Instagram account.

:35:12.:35:14.

One could attempt any number of election puns out

:35:15.:35:17.

of her previous works, like Cold Dark Matter, or The Maybe.

:35:18.:35:19.

But rather than me do that, we left it to our culture editor

:35:20.:35:22.

I think the House of Commons is down here.

:35:23.:35:34.

There's a reason they usually have a man with a big black

:35:35.:35:43.

conceptual artist and you never know where her professional curiosity

:35:44.:35:49.

I think I might just take a picture over here.

:35:50.:35:54.

I'm hoping this is where Theresa May sits.

:35:55.:35:56.

I am just glad Newsnight was on hand to

:35:57.:36:01.

preserve the modesty of the Mother of Parliaments.

:36:02.:36:03.

I wonder if she sits across the crease.

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I thought we were obsessed with their seats on this

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I love all the creases on it which is made

:36:11.:36:15.

by politicians' bottoms, not their minds.

:36:16.:36:21.

I once photographed Freud's seat. His actual seat he sat in. His

:36:22.:36:29.

consulting chair. I liked the marks were made by Freud subconsciously. I

:36:30.:36:37.

am still getting over the shock of becoming the election artist. It was

:36:38.:36:43.

a snap election and they made a snap decision about which artist. How

:36:44.:36:48.

does it feel? OK, I did not waste too much time saying yes because I

:36:49.:36:51.

thought if I thought about it too long I would not do it. I am glad I

:36:52.:36:57.

did. This might be one for Instagram. I am new to Instagram, it

:36:58.:37:02.

is my first social media. With the current Speaker, we might see where

:37:03.:37:10.

their heels are banking against... Perhaps that is unkind. Another

:37:11.:37:17.

political abstracts. It is interesting, the buttons. I wonder

:37:18.:37:20.

what they do. Is there a panic button? An ejector seat. I would

:37:21.:37:30.

like to think so. In a nonpartisan way an ejector seat for the speaker

:37:31.:37:35.

to use. Like the big red chair on Graham Norton. Do you have strong

:37:36.:37:43.

political leanings in any direction? I am not so much party political but

:37:44.:37:49.

I feel I am a very concerned citizen because there is so much happening

:37:50.:37:55.

in the world. I have a 15-year-old and I am much more politically

:37:56.:38:01.

attuned, especially about things like climate change, NHS, education,

:38:02.:38:06.

particularly, so there are issues. Brexit seems to be slumping a bit.

:38:07.:38:18.

You do like a dimpled seat. I hope I am not fixated on bottoms. You were

:38:19.:38:25.

the one who consulted Doctor Freud. What Freud would say about this I

:38:26.:38:31.

don't know. Nice. Apart from her Instagram feed, Cornelia Parker says

:38:32.:38:35.

she is still considering what other works she might produce. She does

:38:36.:38:40.

not want to be pigeonholed. Diane Abbott, she is number one. I should

:38:41.:38:45.

stress this is the artist's own idea. Why did that appealed to you?

:38:46.:38:54.

I saw a gap under her heel and thought, what could go in that gap?

:38:55.:39:00.

Political artist trodden on by former PM. Stephen Smith with

:39:01.:39:08.

Cornelia Parker. Just time for one newspaper, the Financial Times. EU

:39:09.:39:15.

raises UK Brexit build to 100 billion euros. Previously it had

:39:16.:39:22.

been 60 billion. We leave you with Colin Jackson

:39:23.:39:23.

breaking the 60 metre indoor hurdles world record from 1994 -

:39:24.:39:28.

his record still stands today. But, it's under threat -

:39:29.:39:30.

a new proposal by European Athletics would cancel all world records set

:39:31.:39:36.

before 2005 because they don't Colin Jackson has described

:39:37.:39:39.

the proposals as "ludicrous", So, we thought we'd give you another

:39:40.:39:42.

chance to enjoy this race COMMENTATOR: And this

:39:43.:39:49.

time they are away. Jarrett is only a stride behind him,

:39:50.:39:55.

but Jackson pulling away Greg Foster's mark of

:39:56.:40:00.

1987 has been toppled. 21 degrees in the Highland Scotland

:40:01.:40:23.

today. Just turn off the North Sea coast. A lot of sunshine in

:40:24.:40:27.

Scotland, Northern Ireland, northern counties of northern England but for

:40:28.:40:32.

the rest, cloud increasing. A bright sky in the afternoon in Northern

:40:33.:40:38.

Ireland. Highland Scotland perhaps not quite as warm as today but the

:40:39.:40:41.

breeze coming in from the North Sea makes all the difference. It is

:40:42.:40:47.

always better when you see sunshine. In the Midlands, and south-east

:40:48.:40:52.

England, it looks like a cloudy afternoon and for some patchy rain.

:40:53.:40:59.

12 degrees in London, feeling cooler in the breeze. Cloud increasing in

:41:00.:41:02.

the south-west England and much of Wales. For some in northern England,

:41:03.:41:11.

cloudy in the afternoon but sunny the further north you go. Northern

:41:12.:41:16.

England, Northern Ireland and northern Scotland going into

:41:17.:41:21.

Thursday and Friday seeing the best of the sunshine. Further south, more

:41:22.:41:24.

cloud around and time threatening showers. They will not amount to

:41:25.:41:32.

much. This is the picture on Thursday. Showers in England and

:41:33.:41:38.

Wales. Northern England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, getting

:41:39.:41:39.