04/05/2017 Newsnight


04/05/2017

With Kirsty Wark. Includes analysis of the local elections, an adviser to Emmanuel Macron on the French election, and a Srebrenica survivor returns to the city.


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Millions of votes have been cast for local councillors

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in England Wales and Scotland and a clutch of metro mayors,

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but what was in the minds of the voters?

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Was this the big rehearsal for the general election?

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I've learned that Labour are preparing for a bloody night.

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the Elysee on Monday, and what will that mean for Brexit?

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That's the place where mass executions took place.

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I could see the lines and lines and rows and

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I knew it was the end, really, at that moment.

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One of the few survivors of the Srebrenica massacre returns

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The Duke of Edinburgh is hanging up his hat at 96 after

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The ballot boxes were sealed half an hour ago after 35 local elections

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in England, in all Scottish and Welsh Councils,

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The results will be interpreted as a bellwether

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for the general election five weeks away, today.

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It's a key test for Jeremy Corbyn's leadership

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and although big Labour names like Andy Burnham may get

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the job he desperately wants, Mayor of Greater Manchester,

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Nick Watt here to tell us what to look out for.

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I think Labour braced for heavy losses across Britain. Polling

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experts suggest they could lose up to hundred and 20 seats. Opposition

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parties should not be losing seats in local council elections. I think

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we might be hearing that the loss will be even more dramatic, 300 to

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400. There are two explanations for that. The reason is last time the

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seats were fought Labour war on a high after the omnishambles budget

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and the project as we have had in recent weeks were focused on England

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and have not taken into account that we have elections in Scotland and

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Wales. Let me sound a note of caution. Parties do tend to embark

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on expectation management. They say things will be really dreadful so

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when they are merely dreadful it is a slightly rosier picture. Give me

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some examples. I think Labour are braced for the loss of the iconic

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Glasgow City Council to the SNP. That will capture headlines. But the

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sense, it is a line in Glasgow City Council with the Holyrood and

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Westminster elections. In itself very symbolic? Yes. The West

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Midlands mayoral contest is a Labour heartland but the feeling is that is

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on a knife edge and turnout is really low which will be very bad

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for Labour. But there is the odd ray of sunshine. Andy Burnham should win

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in Greater Manchester. His mate Steve Rotherham should win in

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Liverpool and tomorrow night when we get the projected national share

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from the local elections, I think what Labour will hope is that will

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show a narrow gap between them and the Tories then we have seen

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in the opinion polls. What have we been hearing from the Tories? I

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think they're expecting gains of 50 to 80 in the local elections. If it

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is more than that, they will be happy. If it is any more than that

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they will be jumping for joy. They will be saying they did better than

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expected when the seats were contested last round so little room

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for improvement they will say. Thank you.

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At the last election, pundits were caught out by the polls,

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but there were clues that we could have caught.

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A look at the seats where top Tories were campaigning might have

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So, in an effort to learn from our mistakes, our policy editor

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Chris Cook has been mapping the campaign so far.

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Here is his unique analysis of what they will show.

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The critical fight at this election remains, as it has done, for a

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century, the battle between the Conservatives and Labour.

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The parties have already started a flurry of campaigning

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with Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn crisscrossing Britain

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to get their faces in local media.

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So, what can we tell about the two parties from what they're up to?

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We used to talking about swings, so a simple 5% swing from Labour to

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the Tories would mean 43 more Conservative seats.

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And a 4% swing from the Tories to Labour would mean

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29 more Labour seats, making Labour the largest party

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Because it's voters keep moving to the Tories.

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So, we probably need something a bit more

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On this graph, we've plotted all the Labour-Tory battle grounds.

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Each dot is a constituency and we've arranged them

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The furthest left dots are the safest Labour seats

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from 2015 and the furthest right dots are the safest Tory seats.

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The most marginal ones are the ones in the middle.

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Now, looking vertically, the higher up dots are seats

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It's got a 7,000 vote Labour lead over the Tories, which is safe.

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But it's a place with 13,000 Ukip voters and that's a lot.

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It's one of the seats where Ukip voters breaking Tory could break

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In fact, let's draw a line in here on this graph.

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All of the seats above this line, more than 60 of them,

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are ones where, if the Ukip votes goes Tory, it would be

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enough, to flip the seat to the Conservatives on their own.

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So, you can see why it is strategically

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helpful for Theresa May to take a very hard line on the EU.

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Threats against Britain have been issued by

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All of these acts have been deliberately timed to affect the

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result of the general election that will take place on the 8th of June.

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There's a huge reward for hoovering up Ukip votes.

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Remember that when you look at these rosettes.

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They mark constituencies where Theresa May has campaigned.

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Now, a few stops in Tory seats, but most are deep

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Note, though, she's chosen Labour seats where attracting

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former Ukip voters can do most or all of the work of winning.

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Jeremy Corbyn's campaign style is certainly very different.

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These red rosettes marking Mr Corbyn's

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recent stops are mostly in seats with relatively slender Tory leads.

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It is possible Labour simply plans to do that in a few weeks' time.

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Let's wait. The Tory campaign stops they were more revealing. They show

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the plans to ride a wave of ex-Ukip is right into Labour's heartland.

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Emmanuel Macron was widely regarded as having bested Marine Le Pen

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in last night's vicious television Presidential debate

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in which she called him a spoilt, cold-eyed smirking banker

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and he branded her a hate-filled liar.

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But after the venomous battle that lasted almost three hours,

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a billet doux for Macron from the last American President,

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whose flagship policy has taken a battering tonight.

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a billet doux for Macron from the last American President.

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I have admired the campaign that Emmanuel Macron has run.

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He put forward a vision for the important role that

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France plays in Europe and around the world.

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And he is committed to a better future for the French people.

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He appeals to people's hopes and not their fears.

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Because of how important this election is, I also want you to know

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that I am supporting Emmanuel Macron to lead you forward.

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But does the fact that Barack Obama is rooting for him,

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only reinforce the "elitist" tag, and demonstrate that this renegade

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presidential candidate is really the Establishment man?

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I'm joined from Paris Jean Pisoni Ferry who is co-ordinating Macron's

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economic programme and whose political and personal heritage

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is entwined with the development of the European Union and who has

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been described as Macron's eminence grise.

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Good evening. First of all, on that point, when Barack Obama intervened

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in Brexit, it was counter-productive. Is the Obama

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video not risky, because it looks like Macron, who claims not to be an

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establishment candidate, very much is? Well, I would not regret

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President Obama's short video, what he said is really genuine. He says

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what Macron stands for. He stands for hope and not for fear, it is

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exactly that, and President Obama have a strong image with the French

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public overall. So definitely I would not regret.

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I wonder what voters it might sway because how to explain that many

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Melenchon or Fillon supporters would rather not vote than vote for

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Macron? We are going through a realignment in French politics. This

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is extremely impressive what we are seeing. We see that about 25% of the

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voters chose candidates from established parties and 75% chose

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candidates from his party were barely represented in Parliament. So

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we are seeing something really new. We still have to understand what it

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means. Definitely, there is a divide across, within the electorate,

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between those who stand for more openness, who have hopes, who see

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opportunities, and those who are more fearful of the revolution. That

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is something we have seen elsewhere but we do hope it will turn

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differently in the French case. You are such a key part of a Emmanuel

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Macron's campaign and his plans for government, and I wonder if you

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yourself are saying the divide is so huge, what can Macron do to bring

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onside to 40% of French voters who are so far to the right? Macron is

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going to, if he wins, he is going to win on the basis of those who in the

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first round voted for him, plus those from the left and the right

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who do not want at all Marine Le Pen to be the next president. Now, he

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will have to implement an agenda of significant change, because the

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underlying situation we are living is deeply unsatisfactory and this

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election is an expression of the deep dissatisfaction of the fears of

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a significant fraction of the French voters. What will happen? If he

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wins, one of his first big jobs is having to deal with Brexit. He is

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reported as saying Brexit is a crime, it is a crime for the UK to

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leave and they will be facing servitude. A lot of heat has been in

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this divorce bill now and I wonder what does Emmanuel Macron think the

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UK should pay in that divorce? He is going to side with the 27. There

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will be a gauche nation about Brexit, about its implications, the

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terms -- there will be a negotiation. I just want to ask you,

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do you think Emmanuel Macron's position is near the 60 billion or

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the 100 billion we were hearing about last week? Annual Macron, I do

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think he will defer significantly from the French position, and I

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don't want to enter the detail at this stage. You were asking me about

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the significance of the French vote and the agenda Emmanuel Macron will

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put forward in France and I think he will start from there, because

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primarily he will be elected to change the French situation and the

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French economy and the social situation we are seeing. So I think

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that will be his domestic focus. Now, he is relieved pro-European,

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Europe is part of his agenda. He wants Europe to be part of the

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solution and that is really something also quite different from

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what we have seen in the UK, but also quite different from what we

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have seen in France in the past, where the French government were

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lukewarm about Europe. Thank you. The Screbrinica massacre in July

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1995 was one of the most dreadful More than 8,000 Muslim

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Bosniak boys and men were murdered by units

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of the Bosnian Serb Army under Ratko Mladic who captured

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the designated safe area supposedly under UN protection

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and commited genocide. Only six men survived

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the massacre and escaped. One of them continues to fight

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for justice and a decade ago actually returned to live

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in the town most associated Katie Razzall went to Srebrinica

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for this special report into one man's battle to take on the Serb

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deniers who say genocide We should warn you that

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Katie Razall's film includes graphic scenes from the time, which some

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viewers may find distressing. We didn't believe that we would be

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killed because there are so many people and I couldn't believe

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that they could kill all of us. In July 1995, Bosnian Serb soldiers

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shot dead thousands of unarmed It was Europe's worst atrocity

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since the Second World War. I had nightmares that

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I didn't ever get rid of. But today, the genocide verdicts

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of the International Court are being questioned by politicians

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and the town's new mayor, even here, where the

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massacres took place. Nejad Addic returned

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to Srebrenica five years ago. -- Nejad Addic returned

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to Srebrenica ten years ago. He and his wife Elvisa are bringing

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up their three daughters in what became the Republic

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of Srpska, the Bosnian Serb entity Nejad is one of it is believed only

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six survivors of around 8,000 I had a deep need inside me to come

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here, to show them that I survived. His return after the war

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was a gesture of defiance against those who wanted

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Muslims erased. But he says life is becoming

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increasingly difficult. I worry, because of discourse

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and the rhetoric I hear in Bosnia, We have a new indoctrinated

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generation of children. Everywhere you have propaganda,

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and because of that, my wife, During the war, Srebrenica

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became a UN safe haven, packed with fleeing Muslim Bosnian

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refugees, including Elvisa But the UN abandoned them in 1995

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when Bosnian Serb forces The leader of the Bosnian Serb

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forces, General Ratko Mladic, now on trial for genocide

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in The Hague, Women and children like

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Elvisa were bussed out. Nejad took us on the journey he made

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back in 1995, then as a prisoner, crammed into a truck with dozens

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of others, This is the place where the mass

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execution took place. I could see the lines and lines,

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rows and rows of dead bodies. I knew it was the end

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really, that moment. They ordered us to lay down

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and I just thought my mother would never know where I ended up,

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how I finished, and... Then they started

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fire and I was dying. I just could hear moans, moans

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of other people who were wounded. It was so painful, I just

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prayed to God to die. Then I noticed someone

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was moving in front of me The pair escaped when the soldiers

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went to collect more men to kill. Nejad was badly wounded

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and in terrible pain. As day broke and they crawled

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through the forest, the full scale and planning behind

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the massacre became apparent. After the war, the international

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effort to find and identify In amongst them, Nejad's

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father and uncle. I'm know that my uncle,

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his remains were found They wanted to hide it and rebury

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them again and because of that The current president

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of Republic of Srpska, doesn't accept the international

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court verdicts Here, they celebrate

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convicted war criminals, like the former president

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Radovan Karadzic as heroes. The wartime general Ratko Mladic

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is still on trial, but so far, six senior figures have been found

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guilty of genocide When Radovan Karadzic's

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second-in-command was released from prison a few years ago,

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he was feted. No longer a predominantly

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Muslim town, the scars of war are still visible

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in Srebrenica today. Last year, the town elected

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in new mayor who has promised It is the first time a Bosnian Serb

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has filled the role since the war, but his views on the Srebrenica

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massacre have caused alarm among some of the people

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who have returned. Do you believe Radovan

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Karadzic is a hero? Do you accept the judgment

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of the International Court that Some argue the Balkan War

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is a frozen conflict. That Republic of Srpska's ruling

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politicians still want to set up the entirely separate Bosnian Serb

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state they did not With international eyes focused

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elsewhere, the president really With international eyes focused

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elsewhere, the president regularly threatens a referendum on the entity

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seceding from Bosnia-Herzegovina. His mayor in Srebrenica is not

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averse to that idea. With the mood changing,

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Nejad and Elvisa tell me they already know Bosnians who have

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packed up and left. If you leave, who

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will be the winner? In that case, the genocide

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would pay off. Those who committed such horror,

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they would be the winner. Every year, on the anniversary,

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more men are buried in the vast memorial to the genocide

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victims of Srebrenica. Sometimes, a bone fragment

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is all that has been found. For 22 years, Nejad has carried

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the burden of being one survivor Amongst the dead, the father

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to whom he never got to say goodbye. This reminds me of the last

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moment, when I last saw my

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father in his house. I wondered, based on his

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experiences, whether Nejad has a warning about where unchecked

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nationalism can lead. Hatred, nationalistic

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conversation can take us to war, Very often I, ask myself

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where we are going now, because I fear very bad

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things in Europe. And what of true reconciliation

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here, where genocide is denied in the very place where

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it is judged to have happened? Those who had their hands bloody,

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if they come one day and ask for forgiveness,

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I think it wouldn't be a problem For now though, the divisions

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in a country apparently still so split along ethnic lines,

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look almost as wide as ever. You can see a longer version of that

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film on "Our World" on the BBC News Channel at 9:30 on Saturday

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and Sunday night and, Now the part of the programme that

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delivers a verbal punch. Viewsnight is designed

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to get your blood up. Tonight, that task falls to writer

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Afua Hirsh who has strong words Abolish faith schools,

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they harm children. -- Abolish faith schools,

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they harm integration. Britain has a problem

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with integration. But instead of any serious,

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long-term policies, The response has been confined to

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contrived and patronising measures. The Duke of Edinburgh,

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whose retirement from public duties was announced today,

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had a traumatic early life. He was evacuated from Greece

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in an orange box for a cot Perhaps that early resilience has

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fuelled him through his eventful 96 years during which,

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as consort, he has carried approximately 23,000 solo public

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duties and courted a measure So what do we expect from brand

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"monarchy" by way of duty and public service and has Prince Philip

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genuinely delivered it? Roya Nikkhah is royal correspondent

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at The Sunday Times and Shon Faye is a

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writer and activist. First of all, do you think the

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Royals are the kind of essence of what you think is public duty and

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service? I think Prince Philip certainly is. This is a man for 70

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years has dedicated his life to supporting a one in which is frankly

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extraordinary service to the country. He has done it with

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forthright humour but he has achieved an enormous amount in

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public life for his charities which he has done quietly and not banged

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the drum about. I think his steadfastness and commitment to the

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monarchy is pretty extraordinary over 70 years. That point about

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charities, he is patron of something like 780 charities. Those charities

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clearly thought it was a benefit to them having his support? Yes, and I

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think that is an important part of what the monarchy does in public

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life. I suppose my query of that is we have come to accept the presence

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of the monarchy as it depoliticised mascot for the nation and the

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charitable sector. That allows us to depoliticised other issues like

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austerity and some of the social issues. It can be very good to have

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a royal attached to a cause but not to look at the underlying political

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causes. But there are some courses that they -- to which he was

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attached which are for the greater benefit of the nation? Yes, but

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equally, his position in respect of that, when we talk about his

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service, it is important to remember that his service, it is discussed on

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the news as if it was given fully willingly, but there is a huge

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amount of privilege which he received in return for that service.

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The point about privilege is obviously that the Queen was born

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into it but he wasn't, he had to come into it and I suppose in that

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sense, he inherited by way of marriage that sense of privilege?

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Yes, he inherited a sense of privilege but he also inherited

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having to give up his career. This was a man in the 1950s, it was

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generally assumed and believed he would have gone right to the top of

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the Navy. How many men in the 1950s were willing to give that up for a

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woman? He was actually born into privilege, but I do think we should

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look at the Duke of Edinburgh and think of

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him as an incredibly privileged man, he has led a privileged life but he

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has also done an enormous amount of work. Things like the Duke of

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Edinburgh's scheme which has helped young people right across the social

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strata. Yes, I never got my bronze! You did not get your bronze, but the

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fact that you know about it, was it something that was worth getting?

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Yes, certainly and there are plenty of examples of that. The younger

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royals speaking out about mental health recently. It should give us

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pause for thought saying Prince Philip is a privileged man and has

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worked hard all his life, there are plenty of people who have worked

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hard at their entire lives and do sacrifice and work hard. For the

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Royals, those sacrifices are elevated into a unique way in the

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way we discuss them. That you could also say that lots of celebrities,

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because they are good at football or modelling or whatever, you get a lot

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of money and they are in a huge position of privilege, and they

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didn't necessarily give back in the same way that you might regard

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someone who has been doing it for 70 years has given back? I would say

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the monarchy is a pretty unique institution that in this country it

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is the product of a class system and has been falling over hundreds of

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years, and it is also enriched by colonial spoils. We had a huge

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empire and we are still in its final days. We do, but the issue with that

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is, the public if they wanted to could probably get rid of the

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monarchy but every year when the nation is polled they are

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overwhelmingly in favour of keeping a monarchy. One also assumes that he

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will be working behind the scenes with the Queen? There is no doubt he

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will be working with every single day and supporting her still thank

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you. What's it like to be the Labour

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candidate in the general election when you think your leader

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is a disaster, in a seat which has a proud history of building

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nuclear powered submarines, when your leader is ambivalent

:33:44.:33:45.

at best to nuclear? Barrow-in-Furness in Cumbria

:33:46.:33:47.

was solidly Labour after the war until 1983, when Labour under

:33:48.:33:49.

Michael Foot campaigned for unilateral nuclear

:33:50.:33:51.

disarmament and lost the seat When Labour changed its policy,

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it took the seat back, but what now for Barrow-in-Furness,

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high up on the Tory target list? Filmmaker Nick Blakemore spent

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the first week of the campaign A vote for Labour

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is a vote for Corbyn I don't think he would be fit

:34:02.:34:19.

to be Prime Minister. Even if it were possible

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that it was going to happen. I want to be Labour candidate,

:34:25.:34:27.

but I'm not prepared to accept even the theoretical possibility

:34:28.:34:30.

that he will be Prime Minister. Because, one, it's not

:34:31.:34:36.

going to happen, but, two, it wouldn't be right,

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even if he did. I'm just really asking how

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you're planning to vote in the general election,

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how you're feeling I used to support Labour

:34:46.:34:47.

but I don't know at the moment. My daughter's a single

:34:48.:34:51.

parent and that. She doesn't get the support

:34:52.:34:54.

that she should. So, I mean, she's working as well,

:34:55.:34:59.

so it's really hard for her. How do we get people to vote

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for you, when you are ..the elected leader,

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forgive me, of the party, which I believe you represent

:35:08.:35:18.

or have you gone independent? I don't want to be

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against my party leader. He's got a reputation

:35:22.:35:28.

of marching for CND, he's got a proud reputation

:35:29.:35:34.

of being for peace and against war. The policies that have come

:35:35.:35:38.

to the fore, under Corbyn are what, And, I feel, motivate

:35:39.:35:43.

a lot of people. A business-as-usual election where

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the candidate goes in and they, sort of, either say nice things

:35:52.:35:56.

about the leader or they just try desperately not to mention him

:35:57.:36:00.

on the doorstep and hope that other people don't bring him up

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was just doomed to fail. I thought that was a good meeting,

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actually, because lots And they were...

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And party members in particular. There were people who weren't

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happy about what I said There were actually also party

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members who robustly agreed with it. But all of them in that meeting,

:36:16.:36:19.

at the end, said, yes, they were going to vote for me

:36:20.:36:23.

to vote Labour. So, actually, that is showing

:36:24.:36:25.

a level of coming together. Theresa May has been very

:36:26.:36:33.

smart and where she's been particularly smart,

:36:34.:36:35.

she's letting people believe that she's going to deliver some big

:36:36.:36:38.

Brexit iceberg I think she's going to

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deliver an ice cube. Brexit will still mean Brexit,

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but it'll be small enough to put They were nice enough,

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polite enough, but pretty adamant, Alan, where are we going right

:36:50.:36:54.

now, what's going on? As I understand it, a hotel

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in Barrow has rather shamefully, pitifully closed a venue

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because we were about to meet and hear from a lady

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called Anne-Marie Walters. And, for whatever reason,

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they've decided to pull it. So, we're going to see

:37:10.:37:12.

if we can change their minds. She's a lady who has

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a bit of a thing about... What do you call it?

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Colin will know. I was just wondering if the event

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has been cancelled this afternoon? The conference and events manager's

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cancelled that for us. I don't know the

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circumstances, I'm afraid. Can they legally do

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that, do you think? Somebody's come a long way

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to talk to us about stuff, I'm very sorry about that, gents,

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but the event won't be taking place. That's a very good example

:37:57.:38:06.

of what we're up against. So, I'm the candidate

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for the Conservatives Can I ask, have you been

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a Conservative voter all your life? I believe in, more than anything

:38:21.:38:27.

else, a small state, people being able to get

:38:28.:38:31.

on with their own lives without the burden of government

:38:32.:38:33.

telling them what to do. I was just wondering, you know,

:38:34.:38:36.

have you made your mind up I've just have deep-rooted

:38:37.:38:39.

socialist background. I'm afraid I won't be voting

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for the Conservatives. Everyone's in a tough position

:38:47.:38:48.

because of the economic mess But actually, you can't get

:38:49.:38:57.

into a decent position unless you've got a strong

:38:58.:39:00.

and stable economy. How do you deliver efficiency

:39:01.:39:03.

when ?200 million worth Well, I think you have

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to look at where services You have to look at where

:39:06.:39:09.

services can be shared. Let's make no bones about it,

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we are still in a difficult financial situation across the UK,

:39:14.:39:16.

but in Cumbria, as well. You know, if FGM stood

:39:17.:39:25.

for Female Gob Manipulation I could probably be talked into it,

:39:26.:39:37.

but it doesn't. That was a little joke,

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then, you missed it! Firstly, I'd just like to thank

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the Lisdoonie Hotel for saving I'd also like to congratulate

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Mr Alan Piper for being selected unanimously to stand for Ukip

:39:46.:39:50.

for the very first time... I've been called every far right

:39:51.:39:55.

fascist, racist under the sun, If we don't really do something

:39:56.:40:03.

about FGM now, we never will. I don't think that Muslims' opinions

:40:04.:40:11.

on things are the only Now, we're not going to cure Sharia

:40:12.:40:15.

in seven weeks, I don't disagree at all with what you're

:40:16.:40:21.

saying about it. Because we've got to convince

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the electorate in this And if you've got somebody

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who is not solid Brexit, There's lots of claims about "We're

:40:31.:40:34.

all in it together" and "we're all citizens" and "we're all working

:40:35.:40:49.

together", but some of us are in And that's how people

:40:50.:40:52.

feel in Barrow. My name's Loraine Birchall, I'm

:40:53.:40:55.

the Liberal Democrat candidate... I don't feel this area

:40:56.:40:57.

should be forgotten. That's someone we would hope to work

:40:58.:40:59.

with literature and convince him I feel that we need to put up

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a candidate to give people in this This is the worst period

:41:08.:41:16.

for so many people. The number of people

:41:17.:41:22.

using food banks, the number Barrow, in particular, is dependent

:41:23.:41:25.

on BAE as a source of employment. And people are saying they wouldn't

:41:26.:41:31.

vote green, because the greens We see the potential for something

:41:32.:41:33.

amazing to happen at the shipyard, we just don't happen to believe that

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building weapons The thing is, if Labour get in,

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can you stop Trident? That is why I've decided

:41:43.:41:51.

to be honest about this. What I think is not in the interest

:41:52.:41:58.

of areas like here and areas right across the North of England

:41:59.:42:02.

and beyond, is to have this sort of Tory whitewash,

:42:03.:42:05.

where there are no Labour voices So that is the message we're trying

:42:06.:42:07.

to get across on the doorstep. I don't know if it's

:42:08.:42:14.

going to work yet. We will have all the big political

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results tomorrow night. Until then, good night.

:42:27.:42:42.

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Kirsty Wark.

Includes analysis of the local elections, an adviser to Emmanuel Macron on the French election, a Srebrenica survivor returns to the city, a profile of Barrow voters, and Prince Philip's retirement.


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