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For us it's been tough, you know, let's admit it. | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
It's been disappointing, but there's been mixed results. | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
Obviously, we need to gain support and, I tell you, | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
compared to two years ago, we're doing our best, doing well. | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
I'm disappointed we've lost seats because our candidates | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
and our councillors have worked so hard. | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
We came within 5,000 votes of winning the west of England, | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
Yeah, it's been a tough night, but it's mixed results and it's | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
all to play for in terms of the general election. | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
As far as the general election is concerned, | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
We will see what happens when the whistle is blown for full-time. | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
It's not unusual to try and put a brave face on bad news. | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
But some days, it's harder than others. | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
With just over a month to go before a general election, | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
Britain's main opposition party, Labour, is moving backwards. | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
They've lost seats and mayoralty contests, | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
They lost to the SNP in Glasgow, they lost to the Tories | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
in the North of England, they lost to nameless | :01:10. | :01:10. | |
independents in South Wales - all former heartlands. | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
For a party whose proud activists calls themselves 'Momentum', | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
Here - in other words - is a party slipping further away | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
Some solace for Labour, Ukip had a worse time | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
The party that clambered aboard a wrecking ball and drove it | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
through the British political system, emerged with just | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
one councillor today - a lone soul in Burnley. | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
Sober faces masking an extraordinary set of results. | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
Tonight, we analyse the new political landscape | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
and ask what it could spell for the election in June. | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
Our political editor, Nick Watt, is in Birmingham. | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
Let us start with the Tories. Theresa May really doing what she | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
set out to do, Nick? Yes, that's right. Here I am in Birmingham where | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
the Conservative Party have ventured into Labour heartlands by capturing | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
that West Midlands mayoralty. If you take that result and combine it with | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
the results across Great Britain the Conservative Party is healing for a | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
decisive victory in next mornt's general election. They are moving | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
back into parts of Great Britain where they really haven't had much | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
of an impact for the last 25 years. And, the Conservatives have an 11 | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
point lead in the projected national share. That is higher than Margaret | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
Thatcher had this time in 1983 and 1987 and that was fold in both those | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
cases by landslide general election victories. Conservative ministers | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
they are saying - there is no complacency you can always make a | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
mistake in the next five weeks. I spoke to a Cabinet Minister this | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
afternoon who said to me - interestingly, Theresa May's gamble | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
on that early election was the right one. Your thoughts on Labour | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
tonight, Nick? The Labour Party are saying that they are still in the | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
game. They are saying that 11 point Tory lead is narrower than the | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
opinion poll lead. They are saying - look, they won the Manchester, | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
George Michael mayoralt and Liverpool decriesively. Senior | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
Labour figures in private are in despair. They think the party is | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
heading to a heavy defeat next month. Jeremy Corbyn headed to | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
Manchester this afternoon to celebrate Andy Burnham victory, but | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
the new Mayor, well, he was otherwise engaged. On this historic | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
day we decided to take a look at the five lessons we've learnt from | :03:40. | :03:40. | |
today. The people of Britain have spoken. | :03:41. | :03:55. | |
The political ground has shifted and Britain is on course for a | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
realignment in next month's general election. But just what have we | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
learnt from the multitude of elections across Great Britain? | :04:04. | :04:12. | |
Crowing by ministers has been banned by Number Ten. They have little | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
doubt that Theresa May's decision to call an early general election will | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
pay off. Strange to think that just a few weeks ago some ministers were | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
wondering whether her gamble was really that wise. Now, ministers are | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
drawing parallels with Margaret Thatcher's landslide victories in | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
1983 and 1987. She triggered those contests a few days after success in | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
the local elections. Theresa May had no such luxury. She had to go | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
earlier because ministers felt there was a short window before the Brexit | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
negotiations are properly under way. Theresa May's two core messages at | :04:56. | :05:08. | |
the launch of her campaign for the Tory leadership, here in Birmingham | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
last July, are paying dividends. Her pledge that, yes, Brexit would mean | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
Brexit has won over Ukip voters. And her insistence that the referendum | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
result was a cry from people who feel left behind by globalisation | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
has won over blue collar voters from Ukip and Labour. | :05:29. | :05:37. | |
In the home of the pay rant saint of Mayism the Tories achieved their | :05:38. | :05:48. | |
best win of these elections. Street, Andy, the Conservative Party | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
candidate is duly elected as Mayor for the West Midlands. His success | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
in the West Midlands Mayoral contest shows that the Conservatives are on | :06:01. | :06:09. | |
the march in Labour heartlands. The giants of the Labour movement would | :06:10. | :06:19. | |
be stunned as bastians fell. Glasgow and the land of Michael Foot. They | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
won Greater Manchester and Liverpool, giving the party some | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
hope that urban areas may save it from meltdown on the 8th June. | :06:31. | :06:39. | |
Ukip changed the country by laying the ground for the Brexit vote. But | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
in their success, they may very well have put themselves out of business. | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
On the other side there was little sign of a bounce from aggrieved K | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
Remain supporters, for Britain's two most ro-European parties, the | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
Liberal Democrats and the SNP, who both earn'ts experienced mixed | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
results. Is You end with Nicola Sturgeon. Talk us through the SNP's | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
fortunes today? Do you agree we've reached Peak Nat in the words of | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
Ruth Davidson? We possible have. You heard in my report that Labour has | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
lost control of Glasgow. What is interesting. They might be talking | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
about it in a few decades time today, is the return of the | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
Conservative Party. 20 years ago they were wiped out in Scotland, | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
today they are back and back in unexpected places. There is a | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
Conservative councillor now in the Paisley, one of the most deprived | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
areas of Scotland. Ruth Davidson, the leader of the Scottish | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
Conservatives she says that her party is now unquestionably the main | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
party of the Union in Scotland. She is hoping that in next month's | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
general election she will pick up tactical votes from people across | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
the spectrum who do not want to have a second independence referendum. | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
Nick, thanks very much indeed. Nick Watt there in Birmingham. | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
West Midlands, Tees Valley, Derbyshire, Lancashire, | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
These were the places they used to weigh the labour vote, | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
so certain were they of their heartland support. | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
Today, they saw them slip out of their grip. | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
This map, from the Guardian, shows the Labour gains. | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
And this one shows the Tory gains - they are everywhere. | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
So where does Labour think they'll win the general election? | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
Campaign manager, Andrew Gwynne, joins me now from Salford. | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
Nice of you to join us, Andrew Gwynne. Based on what you have seen | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
today, do you still believe you can win the general election? Well, of | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
course we fight elections to win because we are in this game to | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
change Britain for the better. So, before a single vote has been cast | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
for the general election, of course we are fighting for every single | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
Labour vote in every part of the United Kingdom that we will be | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
contesting. Do you believe you can win it on this result? Of course, | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
you have to believe in politics that you can win. I do believe that we | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
can win if we get our message across, our policies across. If | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
Labour candidates, if Labour Party members hit the ground. Dust | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
ourselves down, we have taken a bruising today in parts of the | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
country. I play tribute to Labour candidates and councillors who have | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
stood for the party and sadly not been elected. You are the head of | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
campaigns now. You recognise, presumably, you are going to have a | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
pretty radical shift, in terms ofs how you get that message out now, | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
what's going to happen? We have five weeks to change the course of the | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
next five years. That's a massive challenge. It's one I'm up to and | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
it's one that I know many of my colleagues are up to. What we've got | :10:01. | :10:10. | |
to do, going forward, is we have to, obviously, launch our manifesto and | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
get our policies there. We have a transformational vision for the | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
Britain which is different to the society we live in now. A fairer, | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
more equal and just society. I'm confident that if we can get that | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
message out - Those policies are out, aren't they? We have heard a | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
lot of you campaigning on the issues, police numbers, talked | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
schools, talked NHS and the crisis. These are presumably what you want | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
to be talking about that message still hasn't got through to voters | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
today? That's just the start. I urge you to wait until the 16th May when | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
we will launch our manifesto. You will see that there are some pretty | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
radical and forward thinking policies in there. I don't doubt | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
that we have got a challenge on our hands. It's our duty to make sure | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
that we Ied fight for every single Labour vote. That we fight to make | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
sure that as many Labour MPs are returned to parliament on the 8th | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
June. The trouble is, for Labour, you haven't got - Fight to win. You | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
haven't got certain members of your party, many members of your party, | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
behind you, as us know. The MP for Red car wrote this morning, "we've a | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
lot to learn. The Tories have decimated Teesside, but people still | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
didn't want to trust us." Sion Simon lost the West Midlands "traditional | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
working-class votes want a simpler, stronger message they want | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
patriotism, hard work, law and order." Do you concede that simple | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
message - whatever the message is from Labour - isn't getting through? | :11:51. | :11:59. | |
I absolutely know that candidates like Ana Turlly will be fighting for | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
a Labour victory in red car. I support Anna in that. We need her to | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
be returned to parliament. We need many more Labour MPs back in | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
parliament. Absolutely we have to get - We know what you need. What | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
I'm not hearing from you is the sense of how that could happen now? | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
This is presumably a wake-up call. You have got a month to go. We know | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
that you want to return MPs to parliament, we don't know how you're | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
going to do it. We don't know what is going to be radical enough for | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
you to get a message across, through Jeremy Corbyn, through John | :12:34. | :12:35. | |
McDonnell, which hasn't worked so far? Firstly, be patient. Let's see | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
what's in that manifesto. Secondly, of course we have lessons to learn. | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
We've also got lessons to learn from the areas where we did well in the | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
local elections. Places like Greater Manchester where the Tories were | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
defeated in their own areas. For example - Where your candidate | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
didn't wait around to see his leader turn-up? The Conservative candidate | :13:04. | :13:12. | |
in greater man chest, the Greater Manchester. We have lessons to | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
learn, both bad and good from these elections. I'm not complacent. I'm | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
looking very carefully at how we build on those issues and we get our | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
message across. You have to be more than not complacent, don't you? Step | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
back from this for a second. You are trying to replace a Government that | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
has imposed seven years of austerity. It's failed to meet | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
immigration targets. It's failed to reach its deficit targets. It failed | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
to solve a crisis in the NHS. You are moving backwards. You are losing | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
your Labour heartlands. You can't begin to make gains in a situation | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
like that. What's gone wrong? We are making gains in parts of the | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
country. We increased our majority in Swansea we had a landslide in | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
Greater Manchester and Merseyside. By a candidate who doesn't believe | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
in Jeremy Corbyn? Including city regions who do not traditionally | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
vote for the Labour Party. There are lessons to learn both from the poor | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
results in parts of the country, but also from some of the good results | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
in part of the country. Now, we've got a job to do in the next five | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
weeks and I'm fully focused on the other hand making sure that we get | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
that Labour message across - that we want to build a Britain for the | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
many, not the few, and I'm confident that my colleagues, in the Labour | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
Party, will be doing their bit to make sure that we return as many | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
Labour MPs and, hopefully, on the 8th June, a Labour Government. | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
Andrew Gwynne, thank you. Thank you. Whilst the results have been | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
coming in across the UK, the two candidates vying to be | :14:51. | :14:52. | |
the President of France have been pitching for votes | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
on their last day of campaigning. Despite the best efforts | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
of the far-right candidate, Marine Le Pen, Centrist Emmanuel | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
Macron has a substantial lead in opinion polls | :15:00. | :15:01. | |
ahead of Sunday's poll. Gabriel Gatehouse is in | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
Paris for us tonight. Take us through what you are seeing | :15:04. | :15:14. | |
and feeling there? Turnout will be key on Sunday. Emmanuel Macron's | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
vote is broad, but soft. That is to say that in a recent poll, 60% of | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
people who said they were planning to vote for him said they were | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
planning to do so because they didn't like the other option on | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
offer. Marine Le Pen's vote is narrower, but firmer. Her supporters | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
are energised. A low turnout could work in her favour. Who trusts the | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
polls these days I hear you ask after Brexit, after Trump? We had a | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
dry run here in France. In the first round the opinion polls turned out | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
to be pretty accurate. We are not in the predicting | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
business, but the fact remains that one candidate is 20 points ahead in | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
the opinion polls of the other. We have been taking a deep look at | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
Emmanuel Macron and asking what his candidacy might tell us about | :16:01. | :16:10. | |
politics today. The Whirlpool factory makes washing machinings, | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
not for much longer. The work remembers fighting to save their | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
jobs. They know it's a lost cost. Next year production will move to | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
Poland where labour is cheaper and labour laws more liberal. The battle | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
for this factory really encapsulates what this whole campaign is about. | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
It's a straight fight between the globalalists and the nationalists. | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
Emmanuel Macron is is on the side of globalisation. | :16:40. | :16:48. | |
This is Emanuel's hometown. He could not promise to save their jobs. It | :16:49. | :17:01. | |
did not go down well. Unemployment in France remain stubbornly at 10%. | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
Pro testing is done in a certain style, there is beer and pork chops. | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
Emmanuel Macron is not popular. In an era of rising populism, | :17:12. | :17:44. | |
Emmanuel Macron is that most despised of creatures, a former | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
banker turned technocrat, a pro-EU, pro-immigration liberal and yet, he | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
is the favourite to win on Sunday. So who is he really? This is a | :17:56. | :18:05. | |
senior adviser to President all on when Emmanuel Macron appeared as if | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
out of nowhere to take the second most powerful job at the leaves | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
palace. He was seductive, charming and clever. | :18:13. | :18:42. | |
France is divided. Emmanuel Macron is running on a programme of | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
economic liberalisation, reform of the Labour law, string given the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
state. Marine Le Pen wants tariff and increased welfare spending, | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
these are the battle lines in an election in which neither of the two | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
traditional parties has a candidate. Emmanuel Macron owes his rise to | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
Francois Hollande who adopted him as his political son. Over the past | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
five years, this man chronicles his presidency, interviewing him more | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
than 60 times. When Emmanuel Macron left the Socialist Party to run for | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
President, President Hollande soared as a betrayal. He has the face of an | :19:21. | :19:27. | |
angel, but in, he is not an angel, in he is very ambitious and he wants | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
to succeed. If he had to kill the father, he could do it, he did it. | :19:35. | :19:43. | |
He is like my curve LE. Emmanuel Macron of course is not the first | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
successful politician to exhibit a ruthless streak. What bothers some | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
people about him is precisely the speed of his success. The fact that | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
he appears to have come from nowhere. In a provincial town north | :19:56. | :20:05. | |
of Paris where he grew up, we visited the place where he met his | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
future wife, his drama teacher, 24 years his senior. This man and the | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
young Emmanuel Macron word drama students together. He was friendly, | :20:18. | :20:26. | |
easy to talk to, but he was also in a way secretive. They shared a | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
passion for the theatre but on the subject of his secret love, Macron | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
never confided in his friend. In fact, we never spoke about it. And I | :20:36. | :20:42. | |
think, maybe we were good friends because I was not the type of guy to | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
ask about those kind of things. Like everyone we spoke to, he speaks | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
about the charm of Macron, but is it genuine or is he still acting? Both, | :20:54. | :21:01. | |
really deeply both. His desire to help people, to serve his country, | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
is bound up with his desire to be centre stage. In the town centre, | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
Emmanuel Macron has his supporters, but if he wins the presidency, he | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
will do so outside of the party system and without a Parliamentary | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
base and that is likely to be a problem. Recent attempts to reform | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
the Labour law have been both ineffective and unpopular. If Macron | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
becomes President, expect more protests but if he does no one will | :21:36. | :21:36. | |
be able to say they were not warned. Across Europe, the old duopoly of | :21:37. | :22:10. | |
centre left and centre right is looking vulnerable. In France, it | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
may have had its day, the new battle between the globalists and the | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
Nationalists will not be concluded with the selection, whoever wins on | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
Sunday. Gabriel Gatehouse reporting. The noisy boy band that is Ukip | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
fielded 146 councillors So are they suffering | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
second album syndrome? Is there anything left | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
for them to do now? Or should they quietly | :22:35. | :22:36. | |
disband and go home? David Grossman has | :22:37. | :22:38. | |
been looking at them. Is Ukip a political force that has | :22:39. | :22:55. | |
run its course? Like the abolitionists, the charters, the | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
anti-Cornwall league and the suffragettes. All of them faded away | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
when their principal aims had been secured. Indeed, it is hard to read | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
last nights results in any other way, just months after the party | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
secured its single-minded objective and almost complete wipe-out. All | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
the seats it was defending laws, a single council seat games. | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
Disappointing that I did not get back in, but unfortunately people | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
are voting Conservative or Labour, because they think Brexit is | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
finished. Has the music stopped for a Ukip? This is Boston in | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
Lincolnshire, the Moors breads at supporting part of the UK. The | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
county started the night with 13 Ukip councillors but not one dodge | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
the draft. Ukip voters seem to stampede to the Conservatives. I | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
always voted Labour and my family were all Labour, I have never voted | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
for the Tories. We started voting for Ukip and now they have done | :23:57. | :24:03. | |
their job. I like but the Tory party has to say, much better than Labour | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
now. It will be Tory for me from now on. Their job is done now. I like | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
Theresa reason Meynell and I think he is better and you can believe | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
what she is saying. Membership of the European Union has been a | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
disaster for us. Ukip was founded by this man as a pushback against | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
European federalism. Popular support group from its campaign to stop | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
Britain joining the euro, still remembered in its badge, but it only | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
really took off after the huge wave of Easton European immigration hit | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
the UK after 2004. The breakthrough came through in 2009 and they came | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
second in the European elections and their estimated vote share in the | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
council elections held on the same day was 9%. Fast forward to 2013 and | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
Ukip turned in its best domestic performance with 23% of the vote. | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
They slipped the following year, but came first in the European | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
Parliament elections. In the general election of 2015, they got 13% and | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
3.8 million votes. But yesterday, post the Brexit referendum, their | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
projected vote share has plummeted to just 5%. I think it is over for | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
Ukip, job done, we were instrumental in making sure we got the referendum | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
and we played a part in making sure we won the referendum and now what | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
we need to make sure we do is that Theresa May has a big mandate on | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
June the 8th to make sure she gets on with it. So might the party that | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
Nigel Farage helped found go the same way as the anti-slavery | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
movement, commemorated in this Westminster memorial? If, in two | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
years' time, we have not got back our territorial fishing waters and | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
immigration is not under control and we are still paying billions of | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
pounds to the European club, then having raised expectations to this | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
level, and having not delivered, you could see a Ukip stronger than it | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
has ever been. The current Ukip leader has declined all requests for | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
interviews today, but in a statement said that the party had been the | :26:14. | :26:22. | |
victim of its own success. It is hard to believe that in two decades, | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
Ukip went from this to alter in the cause of the nation's history. Few | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
would argue that we would have had the EU referendum without it and | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
yet, there is no gratitude in politics and of Ukip want an encore, | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
it will have to continually renew its relevance. David Grossman there. | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
Gerard Batten is the Ukip MEP for London and Brexit spokesman. | :26:44. | :26:46. | |
Very nice of you to come in. We heard from Theresa May today and | :26:47. | :26:56. | |
from other party leaders, but we did not see Paul Nuttall at all. I don't | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
know where he is. I have sent him messages but I do not know where he | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
was. The rumour was that he was hiding in his house. He has done | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
that before, he goes into hiding when he does not want to face | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
people. He has been busy and he is entitled to a rest. This is why I am | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
speaking to you. He is the leader of your party and he cannot be | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
connecting well with voters. I am the Brexit spokesperson and what I | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
think will be relevant is what has been discussed there. We are a | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
victim of her own success. Politics is a funny business. The | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
Conservative Party have got a surge of votes partly on the back of 25 | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
years of hard work by Ukip and the fact that we got the referendum and | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
the fact that we won it and this is probably the most undeserved | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
political victory in British political history. We had Mrs May | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
who was a Remainer, a Conservative government that can pay to remain | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
and now they have the task of taking us out and were Ukip will be | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
relevant is because soon it will become apparent that Mrs May is not | :28:00. | :28:01. | |
going to deliver the they voted for. Nigel | :28:02. | :28:26. | |
Farage said if in two years' time, it is hard to write a manifesto | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
around that, clearly people like the track she is on because she has had | :28:30. | :28:31. | |
an extraordinary electoral day-to-day. They are not coming back | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
to you for that. I think it will be quicker. If you read the White Paper | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
on what the government plans to do, they plan to take us out of the EU | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
in name but in substance we will be members. The election is in one | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
month, how many candidates will you field? You have lost one of your key | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
donors, you do not seem to have the voter base. He has not been a key | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
donor for a long time. We always come up with the money. We do not | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
have that take business or the unions but we always come up for the | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
money. I do not know how many candidates there will be. I am not | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
at the centre of the planning. We fielded about 600 last time and we | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
will do as many as we can. We are suffering from the problem that | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
people think Theresa May will deliver Brexit. You could just say, | :29:04. | :29:11. | |
are job is done. Pack up, go home. Our job is to get Britain out of the | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
European Union and what has happened since last year is nothing except | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
they triggered Article 50, the wrong way to go about it, nothing has | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
happened and nothing will happen for two years and not a single lot of | :29:22. | :29:29. | |
peeled,. That does not look like leaving to me. Is it right to go on | :29:30. | :29:38. | |
fairly odd minority issues, will that be helpful? Personally, that | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
was a press conference that was planned a long time ago. | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
Unfortunately it looked like we were leading the campaign on the burqa, | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
but that was just an issue. You do not want to run as an anti-Islamic | :29:50. | :29:56. | |
party? There are elements, it is a bad cultural integration. It is | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
about defending rights under our laws and customs. That is what that | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
is about and that is a part of a bigger package and made a mistake it | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
was making it appear we were leading on it which we are not. One month | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
ago you were writing that we should stop calling it Islam, we should | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
return to what the West used to call it, it is a death cult, steeped in | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
violence and bloodshed, perfectly rational fear of Islam. What part of | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
those factual statements would people argue with? I guess voters | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
are arguing with it, they heard you say that and you have only got one | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
re-elected counsellor at night. I do not think, they did not vote for our | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
councillors because of that. I think the reason we lost is because so | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
many people actually do think that our job is done and think that | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
Theresa May will deliver. Our job is not done and Theresa May will not | :30:52. | :30:52. | |
deliver. You said he probably needs a rest? I | :30:53. | :31:02. | |
didn't say he was locked up in his house. You said that. He has run a | :31:03. | :31:11. | |
campaign. The hard one is yet to come? More reason for him to have a | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
rest on Friday night then. Is you don't have a problem with that? No, | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
I don't. Paul works very hard. I see him work very hard all the time. I'm | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
happy to do this and talk about where we're going on Brexit. It's | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
not whether we see him, it's whether the public sees him. From today's | :31:29. | :31:35. | |
result you would suggest there has been a failure to connect somewhere | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
with the voters? You have seen people on there tonight saying that | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
they think, you Ukip's job is done. That is because we were so | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
successful in doing what we did in getting the referendum and winning | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
the referendum. So many people who actually think that Theresa May is | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
going to deliver this Brexit. She is not. If you look at what they plan | :31:55. | :32:02. | |
to do, at the end of three years, after the referendum nothing will | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
have changed. We have seen stories of 100 billion euros. Which I think | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
was cooked up between Juncker and Mrs May. You are not sure who the | :32:15. | :32:22. | |
voters trust? I'm not sure they trust anybody. They can trust Ukip | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
because we have done what we said over the last 20 years. Thank you. | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
Well, we have assembled a new political panel | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
Paul Mason, Guardian columnist, is here, as is Ian Dale, LBC Radio | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
presenter and Polly McKenzie, special advisor to | :32:39. | :32:40. | |
Great to have you all here. Paul, this was an overwhelmingly good day | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
for the Tories, wasn't it, you presumably concede it? | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
Overwhelmingly good day for hard Brexit. We have seen dramatic events | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
of substance. It's not been a week of flimflam. Theresa May picked a | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
real fight with the European Union. Walked away dramatically - she did | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
her own bit. Walked away and created a diplomatic situation which I think | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
has drama advertised in the minds of former Ukip voters the whole | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
situation. We have an alliance of Tories and Ukip. That is new. That | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
can win any election it wants to. Aggressive alliance isn't going to | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
work? It he redoubles the need for that half of British politics that | :33:24. | :33:32. | |
believes in progressive politician, globalalism, we need to stop | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
fighting each other. We need to work out, it's entirely possible, how we | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
can stop that Tory Ukip alliance taking Britain off the cliff edge | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
into an economic catastrophe. Into WTO rules which isn't a cliff edge. | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
Let's see the Tory manifesto calling for it. That's the - into nobody is | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
saying that they want to go down that direction. It's not the | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
disaster that people try to present it as. It's the way we trade with | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
the rest of the world, as you well know. Ian, if you are right and if | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
this is going to direct towards a big majority in a month's time. This | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
is the chance for her to do a radical manifesto, isn't it? She can | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
push through anything she wanted. Will she? I don't think she will. | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
She has been a cautious politicians. Over the past few weeks she proved | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
to be anything but a cautious politicians. First of all by calling | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
the election. Second of all, doing the speech on Tuesday and Wednesday | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
in Downing Street where she took the fight to the European Commission. | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
Paul is right. I think it did have quite an effect. There is talk of a | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
Tory Ukip alliance. I understand why Paul says that that. It's the | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
Conservatives trying to win back the Ukip votes they have lost over the | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
last 25 years? It's not an alliance Doctor Who alien they absorbed Ukip | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
voters. That's what parties do. The Labour Party sometimes, sounds like, | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
it doesn't want anybody who ever voted Tory to vote for it because | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
they are toxic. Where is the remain vote then? It's not going to the Lib | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
Dems. There hasn't been the resurgence that you were expecting. | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
Where are the remainers in this? It's been, no question, disaint | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
poking night for the Lib Dems and who would have hoped to do better. | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
Specially in the leave areas it's proved it's not possible to just, | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
sort of, win back areas that the Lib Dems had once before. In remain | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
areas where the Lib Dems have a presence there have been points of | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
light, good results for the Lib Dems. Paul is basically right. I | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
don't think I've ever said that before. We need to find a way. None | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
of the parties of the left have anything to challenge Theresa May | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
her popularity, her poise. Something about her people like. Something | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
needs to change. If she's ever going to stop being Prime I have staunch | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
Minister. Labour voters ringing in saying - I voted Labour every | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
election I could do. There's something about Theresa May I like. | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
When I asked them what it is, they can't explain what it is. I think | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
that's a very interesting phenomenon. List of foreign workers | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
who we are going to expel from the British workforce. Please. That | :36:19. | :36:27. | |
played well among racist voters. Amber Rudd, Theresa May the Tory | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
Conference was a racist horse and pony show. This is why Labour can't | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
make progress. We can stop it. Labour has to change one thing. In | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
four weeks? Absolutely. It needs to talk about Brexit. The one thing | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
Labour is doing wrong, YouGov showed all party voters the number one | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
issue for them is Brexit. For most of them the number two issues is | :36:51. | :36:58. | |
immigration. You are saying Corbyn and McDonnell should stop talk of | :36:59. | :37:05. | |
NHS - They should reframe it what Britain you want after Brexit. When | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
Theresa May maded that speech the instinct of the Labour machine was, | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
don't talk about it, don't respond. It's about something we haven't | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
really - an issue we don't own. They needed to own that issue. Labour are | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
deeply split on whether we should be leaving at all and exactly what kind | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
of approach you should have. Whether it's a free market or socialist | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
approach? Let me answer. Today proves that any attempt to win back | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
that part of the electorate that is pro-Brexit is a fool's errand for | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
Labour. Manchester, Andy Burnham won in almost every ward. Manchester is | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
full of Tories. Plenty of Tories, skilled workers and middle-class | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
people. Appealing to the inner soul of progress i politics Burnham did | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
well. He walked away from Jeremy Corbyn tonight. They want a | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
traditional, simple message. That that is what Sion Simon said. | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
Patriotism, hard work, law and order. Is that where the Labour vote | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
is? No. I don't buy that. You called part of the Tory vote Rayses. I'm | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
sorry. Amber Rudd and Theresa May at their conference wanted us to make | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
list of foreign workers. They were your voters before they went to Ukip | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
and the Tories. The Labour movement. , the Labour Party is a line drawn | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
through working-class communities, between people who support globalism | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
and internationalism and anti-racism and people who don't. It always | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
existed. We will fight this battle in favour of our principles. The | :38:42. | :38:48. | |
problem is - The challenge - And the Greens and the SNP should be on the | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
same side. If you have got these blue collar workers, people who | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
voted Brexit, who were left behind, who saw wages stagnant she has to | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
deliver for thoem them, not just about Brexit, it may not Sol all the | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
problems, about everything pels their life? Of course. Everyone | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
wants politicians to deliver. The reason Jeremy Corbyn isn't | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
delivering at the moment is because he's not actually - he hasn't got a | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
positive vision. We hear doom and gloom about poverty and the rest of | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
it. There are problems in society, I get that. If you are a politician | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
that can't do what Tony Blair did in 1997 offer a positive vision, the | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
sunny uplands, to the aspirational middle-classes you are not going to | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
win you can't just win appealing to people who have massive problems in | :39:32. | :39:39. | |
their lives. Is Tim Farron the aspirational, sunny uplands | :39:40. | :39:42. | |
candidate from the progressive alliance then? Tim is - has got a | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
clear and coherent vision and a party unified behind it. Could you | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
have an alliance with anyone else? The challenge for anyone wanting to | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
form a political alliance is not wanting to draw lines and tell other | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
people they are racist or patriotic or not patriotic. That is the | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
challenge for anyone involved in politics who is naturally very | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
tribal and wants to point out the differences. To be honest, I don't | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
think there is anyone outside of the Conservative Party, doing a | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
brilliant job of unionifying people who disagree with them, who isening | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
maing to do that, looking beyond themselves and trying to | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
collaborate. Back in history, all successful parties are coalitions. | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
They build coalitions between people who believe in 60%, 70% of their | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
platforms. Theresa May won't believe in 100% of the policy platform she | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
puts forward. No-one does in their party. Reagan and Clinton appealed | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
to people outside their own parties as did Thatcher and Blair. Jeremy | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
Corbyn isn't doing that at the moment. Theresa May is the most | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
successful politician at doing this. There is no aspiration when you look | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
at Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely not. A Labour spokesman said wait for the | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
manifesto. We have to get the manifesto passed by a committee. | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
That manifesto will be exactly what you want, aspirational, not just for | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
poor people, for middle-class people. We heard no policies so far. | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
All the policies - I would agree there's been a - 20 point plan | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
earlier this week. What will come will be a four or five point plan | :41:21. | :41:27. | |
that has to out drama the drama queen of Downing Street. I think it | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
will. That's why I'm hoping hopeful we can stop a Tory Government. We | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
have run out of time. Thank you all very much. Thank you for coming in. | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
Well, what a pretty exciting day in politics, wasn't it? | :41:40. | :41:41. | |
We wouldn't want you to take that adrenaline with you to bed. | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
So we thought we'd send you off with a reading of something | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
from the Boring Conference, being held tomorrow. | :41:48. | :41:48. | |
A list of every sneeze one man has made since 2007. | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
Birmingham, moderate - cropping an image with | :41:52. | :42:00. | |
Birmingham, moderate - checking credit card | :42:01. | :42:08. | |
Moderate to strong - detonating an Angry Bird. | :42:09. | :42:22. | |
Moderate - reading Amazon reviews by, not about, James Ward. | :42:23. | :42:34. | |
Moderate - vegetarian hotdog-style sandwich is prepared. | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
There is going to be a lot more clouded sky in England and Wales for | :42:40. | :43:03. | |
the first part of the weekend, the odd early shower | :43:04. | :43:04. |