12/05/2017 Newsnight


A look at the NHS cyber attack; the programme follows Labour's Jess Phillips on the campaign trail; has Andrea Leadsom been sidelined by the Tories? Kirsty Wark presents.

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A global cyber attack has disrupted NHS hospitals and GP surgeries


in England and Scotland resulting in cancelled


It replicates itself on one computer to the next and there's


So who and what is behind the attack - and can they be stopped?


Tonight a former hacker, a former GCHQ boss, and the Chair


What's it like for one of the rising young stars of the Labour Party,


who's not a Corbyn fan, selling the manifesto on the doorstep?


I think it does make it easier when you have some


clear lines in the sand between you and the other side.


So yeah, I think it will make it easier, actually,


Missing in general election action...


We go in search of one of the most senior figures


in Theresa May's Cabinet, to try to find out if


Andrea Leadsom, Secretary of State for what used


And - Caitlyn Jenner, who before she transitioned


And - Caitlyn Jenner, who before she transitioned from Bruce,


was feted as one of the most famous athletes in the world,


talks about her long and difficult journey to womanhood.


It takes a while, time, not two years in, to kind of leave Bruce


behind, because he is still in there.


Good evening - as we go on air the extent of the international


ransomware cyber hack on 70 countries, which has struck NHS


hospitals and GP surgeries in England and Scotland


25 NHS Trusts in England and nine commissioning groups, and five


NHS Trusts in Scotland have been affected.


Several hospitals have announced that only patients requiring


emergency treatment should attend A and some surgery


Many Heathcare Trusts have switched off their IT systems which control


everything from x-ray imaging systems, to pathology test results,


phone and bleep systems, and patients' administrative


Tonight the Prime Minister said the government was not aware of any


evidence that patient data had been compromised.


Well we're aware that a number of NHS organisations have reported


that they've suffered from a ransomware attack.


It's an international attack and a number


of countries and organisations have been affected.


The National Cyber Security Centre is working closely with NHS Digital


to ensure that they support the organisations concerned and that


Our technology editor David Grossman is with me now and has been


following this story this evening...


Just how deep are the tentacles of this ransomware? We know that it


affects Windows operating systems by Microsoft. Over the Easter weekend,


somebody dumped on the Internet on an obscure website tools to exploit


former abilities. Who did it, we do not know. But rumours are swirling


on the Internet that the tools were developed by the American National


Security Agency. We know from Wikileaks they have those kinds of


capabilities but we cannot verify whether tools came from or who use


them. We know that somebody exploited the vulnerabilities that


those tools exploited to attack a lot of organisations. They spread


the malware around the Internet using ransomware. Microsoft say that


all that was necessary for anyone to protect themselves was to use free


antivirus software, and make sure operating systems were regularly


updated. Microsoft issued the patches. The question is, why didn't


the NHS do that, why were they vulnerable? Today we found out it


seems the NHS is especially vulnerable because they've not been


able to afford to update all of their systems. Some are so elderly


they cannot be patched. Just as hospitals have had


to urgently update their response to the threat of superbugs,


so they are now having to consider their digital hygiene,


how to stop machines getting infected and then, spreading


a virus to others in the network. It kind of replicates


itself from one computer to the next and there's


really no stopping it, it spreads The NHS, it seems,


was not specifically targeted but it has been


particularly vulnerable. In terms of the NHS,


there have been individual malware attacks on individual


trusts over the last 18 months but this


is the first time we've had 21 trusts


who have been affected so it's affecting multiple trusts


at the same time and This is the screen that appeared


in hospitals and GP surgeries demanding a $300 ransom to unlock


files and It meant cancelled


operations and treatments. I had a cannula,


I daren't show you... They had shaved, they


were going to open me At half past one the surgeon


turned up and said unfortunately we've been hacked


and there's nothing we can do, What will be particularly


alarming to ministers and officials at the


Department of Health is how apparently simple


this It doesn't seem to be the work


of hacking geniuses, it's more the cyber equivalent


of a street robbery - and yet it's managed


to Someone, somewhere in the NHS


system, it seems, opened an e-mail attachment or clicked on a link


which let the malware in. This threat, though,


has been known about for at least six weeks


and security patches to protect against it


have But it seems many NHS machines had


not been updated and Krishna Guntupalli is an NHS


doctor who has studied He wrote an article


warning about the possibility of a major


shutdown just two days wasn't talking about the hospital


where he works, which is unaffected These operating systems


tends to be quite old. So a study in January


suggested that 90% of NHS trusts use Windows XP


operating systems, which was released 15, 16 years


ago by Microsoft and isn't being patched


or fixed by Microsoft, and they've


advised people to upgrade. The problem is, it's


not the same as a In a health care organisation,


you have proprietary That means unfortunately health care


organisations may be some of the last to upgrade from old operating


systems or programmes. That increases their


vulnerabilities. That is what the hackers


are exploiting. The solution is simple -


but for cash-strapped NHS Not using out of date software,


not using systems that are just too There's got to be


something that's done. If you constantly use


old technology that's been hacked easily, or can easily be


compromised, you can This attack doesn't seem to have


resulted in any data loss, but the kind of personal information


that hospitals hold is really You can, after all,


change your credit card number or your bank details quite easily -


but you can't change your date First and foremost,


we hold patient data. And this data is sensitive,


including clinical information, All of this can be sold by hackers


and we don't know exactly, but maybe about ten times as much


as credit card information. In a statement, the NHS in England


said that patients should continue using GP and hospital services


while they need them but ask them to use them wisely


while what they call this major Jake Davis is a reformed hacker,


who found global infamy in 2011 as 'Topiary' -


the face of the notorious He was convicted of hacking


in 2013 and now works Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard


is chair of the Royal College of GPs Council -


and joining us from Bristol is Brian Lord, former GCHQ


Deputy Director for Intelligence Good evening. First of all,


Professor Stokes, what is the impact on services and what will it be over


the next few days? So far we know quite a lot of GP services and


hospital services have been shutdown in terms of IT systems but for those


patients who need urgent care, doctors and patients were trained to


look after patients before we had computers. We can still talk to them


and examine them and make decisions on the basis of what we see and


feel, not what the computers tell us. When you listen to David


Grossman and the doctor there saying the scope of the hack, you have


sensitive information on computers and a lot of these NHS computers are


out of time? Yes, but they have been a good seven so far. The systems are


backed up. The data is safe, it is there. But we have an absence of


data in the short-term to help us deal with patients, putting them


through the systems. It is going to be a bit disrupted. David Grossman


there said that some of the NHS equipment is so elderly it cannot be


patched so you will need new systems? Indeed, and ourselves and


other colleges have called for serious infrastructure investment


for a long time. It's overdue. GCHQ's position, everyone is calling


for all sorts of ways to fix this tonight, who is at work here?


Firstly, there will be two time so -- types of response. GCHQ and the


National Crime Agency are looking at the crime itself, then you have


cyber Security centres working with NHS Digital to work out how they can


resolve the issue. This is the next step up for international organised


crime. International organised crime began with low-level theft and


low-level use of ransomware. By and large they have contracted it out


and are now moving to larger scale, far more sustained and coordinated


efforts, whether it is getting inside the infrastructure of banks


or, as we can see here, a well timed and well co-ordinated delivery of a


simple tool, but delivered at mass scale into vulnerable areas. The


vulnerable area is the NHS. As far as we know it's not in areas, like


banks or operating systems for the NEG industry, it is only the NHS? --


energy industry. The NHS is especially vulnerable due to the old


nature of its IT systems, and also because it is very complex with


interconnectivity between surgeries, trusts, boards, and so on.


Consequently, there is an awful lot of openings for delivery of this


kind of basic malware. Jake Davis, you have been a hacker in the past,


what do you think is going on? I think what is terrifying is how


simple it is. The kind of attack and ransomware that was deployed, it may


have been a sophisticated criminal organisation or just some kid that


hit a go button and a worm has spread. They've woken up and gone, I


have 50,000 computers... It wasn't only the NHS, they were hit


completely by accident, Telefonica as well... Yes, in 70 different


countries. They are putting at this ransomware, paid $300... Do people


pay up? In this ransomware there is a Bitcoin address to pay the ransom.


We've seen a few been paid through it. So it is working? Yes, it


encrypts the files. You've been on the other side of the law? You


agree? Yes. Those who are incredibly what I'll -- well-connected, are you


working to sort this? Yes, I have spoken to security researchers,


talented people as to why it exists and what is to be patched to stop it


in future. How long in your view will this infection go on? In order


to fix it, you just need to update one thing. It is a simple patch that


was released by Microsoft two months ago. It works because systems have


not patched it. It isn't the problem here that it may be relatively


simple and, as far as we know, reasonably benign will stop


reasonably benign. It isn't the problem that we see that one simple


button press by an organisation that perhaps has really nefarious reasons


for doing it could be very dangerous for the world? Yes, it can, in


certain circumstances. What is interesting about what happened


here, there's been a double whammy. Firstly, you have the ability of


ransomware to propagate itself or the system but also, because of the


nature of the NHS and probably within the NHS, not a full


understanding of exactly how they are configured, they've had to take


down just about everything because of their dependence upon IT. It is


the response to the ransomware, as well as that infection, which has


almost bought a National Service to its knees. I think that is probably


impossible to replicate in other sectors. What is the chance of


catching them? I think the chances of catching them are probably very


slim in the short to medium-term future. Thank you very much indeed.


This was the week when Labour's 45 page draft manifesto was leaked


and Jeremy Corbyn was accused of taking the party back


The manifesto is now set in stone, though not formally published -


so how is it playing on the doorsteps, particularly


where the Labour candidate has been openly and repeatedly critical


Emily spent the day in Birmingham Yardley constituency where,


to say that Jess Phillips is outspoken, is


Look for the beating heart of Birmingham Yardley on Friday


evening and you'll end up here, a Muslim barbers named


after Italian mobsters, where they come in droves on payday.


Friday prayer and straight to the barbers for my weekly haircut


The business is as old as the last Parliament, set up two short years


ago by brothers who tell me they work a seven-day week.


They come for razor cuts, skin fades and eyebrow threading,


They're local boys, who work mostly in Birmingham's car industry


- and I want to know if next month's election is on their mind.


Normally a voter, yeah, normally Labour.


But obviously, things are changing now.


Whatever suits my needs, that's what I'm going to go with now.


What do you mean, things are changing?


Moneywise, you're working, you've got to look at your family


Whatever the best deal is for your family.


So might it be Conservative this time round?


I tend to go with the majority - my peers, my close relations,


I tend to go along with that at times.


Do you get the sense that a lot of people are voting this time


I don't think a lot of the youth out there is interested.


This time it feels like more of the election enthusiasm


on the doorstep comes from its canine community.


But this is a battle ground seat in more ways than one.


A surprise gain for Labour in 2015 from the imploding Lib Dems,


the two candidates face each other again in a fight both


This bit is one of the more affluent bits of my constituency.


We've come to find Jess Phillips, a self-styled everywoman,


Did you vote Labour in the last general election?


Don't worry, I won't be offended if you didn't vote.


Will you be getting out to vote on June the 8th?


I've generally always voted for the Labour Party.


She's no fan of her leader, Jeremy Corbyn, but I wonder


if Labour's leaked manifesto has given her ammunition


I think it does make it easier when you have some


clear line in the sand between you and the other side.


So yeah, I think it will make it easier, actually,


There is no doubt about it that people feel that,


whilst they may have voted Labour in the past, they are not


Because, as you said, there's a shopping list of policies now,


they are pretty attractive to a lot of people.


Actually I think they probably will be a bit more sure


after the manifesto, if it reaches them.


Actually what is in the manifesto, aside from some of the stuff around


nationalising things, it really is the kind of thing that


How do you make sense, then, and we're trying


to make sense of this, that when Jeremy Corbyn goes


into the country he has these amazing crowds,


there is noise and excitement and enthusiasm, and the polls


I think it is a potentially dangerous thing for him


because if you have a feedback loop that is always kind to you,


you might not be getting the real sense of the picture.


Theresa May is guilty of this as well at the moment,


I think she's closing herself off and only allowing the


This isn't Jeremy Corbyn's problem alone.


Her Lib Dem opponent in this seat, the MP before her, is John Hemming.


The Lib Dems are really hoping for a resurgence this time round.


I wouldn't say it's going massively well but in Yardley it's going well.


I don't know about other places because it's difficult to tell.


When I'm talking to people on the doorstep it's very


The Conservative Party candidate is duly elected.


And what was once a two horse race has just been re-energised


Last week I was elected across all of the West Midlands as the mayor,


as a Conservative candidate and I think something very


significant happened last week because people said,


let's think about whether our traditional loyalty


to the Labour Party really has delivered for us.


A month from today the political map will be re-drawn.


The bubble may talk of landslides and resurrection, crushing defeat


or party splits but much of the country will simply carry


on and do what they do on any other Friday night.


And here is a full list of candidates who are running for


election in the Birmingham Yardley constituency.


Well the Labour manifesto leak meant this last week wasn't quite


what we had been expecting for the election campaign.


Four weeks tonight we'll be digesting the results -


so let's touch in with our regular panel of experts and assess


I'm joined by Camilla Cavendish, who was Head of Policy at Number Ten


under David Cameron's premiership and the author, journalist


Good evening to you both. Listening to Jess Phillips, quite an


interesting tactic, however this manifesto draft was leaked, it gave


the candidates something to speak about that wasn't Corbyn. I think


that's probably right. She said that there is a dividing line between the


parties, well, boy, there is now! The question is, will the country go


for a prospectus that is a throwback to the 70s, huge and costed


promises? I don't think the country will go for it. Theresa May, rather


than talking about the manifesto, which she won't do, she is sticking


with Corbyn and today she said that Corbyn has abandoned patriotic


working-class voters. She doesn't have any truck with the manifesto.


Let's talk about the manifesto because for us it was fortuitous, it


created drama in the election and content. Exactly. We haven't had


much. People say that it is a throwback to the 70s, so many voters


are of my age, mid-50s and above, many of them would look at the 60s


and 70s as a good period. Yes but you need the younger voters who


aren't voting. I couldn't wait to get out and say, we will give you a


free university education, like I had in the 70s that enabled my


generation to have such great social mobility. They understand that. But


who will pay for it? I wouldn't worry about the uncosted nature. I


know the team working on the costings, they've been over it


several times. The tag line that is sensible, what is the economic


impact of taking up so much tax? The tax will be collected. The leak was


interesting because it added drama. Was it the moderates trying to


change it or was it the left saying it is better than Corbyn delivering


it? I suspected it was the left but I'm pretty confident that it was


Jeremy Corbyn's enemies. Some popular measures, let's have 6


billion a year for education, 6 billion a year for the NHS by the


end of the Parliament, let's have note to wish and fees. Some things


struck a chord -- tuition fees. Usually there are some interesting


things in the manifesto and there are a couple of things which are


actually quite sensible. Abolishing the idea of quarterly returns for


small businesses, hooray. Nationalising the railways, a lot of


people who are trying to get an Southern Rail and haven't been able


to get to work know that there is something wrong. In London. The East


Coast Main Line was nationalised and has worked well. Network Rail is


nationalised but you have private franchises so it's not entirely


crazy but the totality of it doesn't add up. What Theresa May said at the


beginning of the week, she would stick to the idea of limited


immigration in the tens of thousands, Jeremy Corbyn has said


little at all about it. Was she right to announce that? They've


never managed to do it. It didn't surprise me that she has stuck to


it. I think she believes that you must have a stretch target and I


think she believes... Willemse deliver it? That's a good question


-- will see deliver it? She kept the students in the target which is


going to make it much harder. On the other hand Jeremy Corbyn says


nothing much about immigration which is going to go down badly with the


Ukip voters that he wants to get. Labour have been pitched as not


Ukip. Some Labour voters voted for Ukip last time round. They will


appeal to the centre in politics that they want to commit, that they


have a the main and stable solution to what the country becomes after


Brexit -- humane. Companies are saying to them, there won't be any


fewer migrants after Brexit because we can't function without them. I


think Theresa May keeping the tens of thousands target is interesting


because you could have slipped the students out of it, making it more


achievable but she missed it every other time so why should she hit it


now? Jeremy Corbyn must say something about immigration because


in those 45 pages there was virtually nothing. The point about


what is there, it is an offer to people to say that we can solve a


lot of what your problems seem to be by very radical measures which


redistribution wealth and empower you at work. When you talk to


working-class people about migrants and immigration you find very few


Mac who claim to dislike the migrants themselves. Therefore it is


a different kind of xenophobia that we're dealing with. You can deal


with it with radical economic offers to people who believe they have been


given nothing by the present system. But it is work that is missing from


the manifesto, how are we going to create the jobs? There are plenty of


jobs. Where is the prospectus for skills? They are the questions.


Luckily we have four more weeks to answer some of these questions!


Thank you for joining us. In a general election campaign it's


normal for the political parties to put their big guns out around


the country and there are no bigger guns for the Conservatives


than the Prime Minister But a significant number of these


souls have been all but silent, causing some to wonder whether this


campaign is one of the most carefully controlled


and sanitised we've seen. One of those who appears to have


gone missing in action is Environment Secretary Andrea


Leadsom. You might have expected to have


seen her on national TV recently - especially as the Tories


announced their anti-pollution But no, Andrea Leadsom seems


to be the nowhere woman. There's an election on and senior


Tories are in short supply but one And the Conservative Energy


Minister, Andrea Leadsom. Less than a year ago,


the Brexiteer wowed Wembley. We should take back control and look


after our own society. Andrea was all over the airwaves,


running but losing Leadsom was catapulted


into the Cabinet but once On big days for her Environment


Department, like last week when it was in the firing line over


diesel pollution, she The Tory machine told us


the Prime Minister's former We contacted Andrea's


agent repeatedly. Conservative Central Office


won't tell us where she is. So I tracked down the address


of her local Conservative club One of my team of researchers


rings me and it's a hot lead. Andrea Leadsom has just tweeted,


"On my way to Cornwall to support some Tory MPs.


Lots of singing in the car." Our problem, we are


in Northamptonshire. So, why are we following


Andrea Leadsom to the edge You could say we're mucking


about and there is an element of truth in that, but


also the other thing. This general election has the feel


of the most controlled, stage-managed and yes,


boring election ever. And that can't be good


for our democratic system. In the morning it begins


to dawn on me just how She's in Cornwall,


but I have no idea where. Andrea Leadsom, Secretary


of State for what used To be frank with you,


I don't think she's here. So, we're trying to get in touch


with a guy called Luke, who we think We've phoned him several times


and he's never phoned us back. I'm not saying the hunt for Andrea


is getting desperate, but the hunt for Andrea


is getting desperate. We've had a tip-off that


Andrea Leadsom is on a farm, talking to farmers just


here up the road. It's private property


so we can't film on it. I'm going to get out the van and see


if I can talk to her. The lady in the farmhouse said,


she's been and gone. It's now 25 past, so we


only just missed her. The search for Andrea


Leadsom continues. You may know John Sweeney


from the BBC... At wits end, time for a where's


Andrea appeal on local radio. One listener rings in to tell us


she's been spotted in Penzance. She's even tweeted a picture


of herself campaigning by the sea, Look at the detail in


the back of the picture. There's Saint Michael's Mount,


there's the red boat. It's exciting to think that


Andrea Leadsom stood on this very spot, but the truth is,


we've missed her. But then, just as we


were about to leave, So, Andrea Leadsom is playing


cat and mouse with us. I tweeted at her,


where's Andrea Leadsom? And she's just tweeted


a picture of some woods. We want to interview her,


we want to ask questions, there's a general election,


she's a cabinet minister. It could be any woods in the whole


of the West Country. Was the tweet a sly wink from her,


that she's been told to stay shtum? I'm from BBC Newsnight,


have you seen Andrea Leadsom? She was in Penzance


to talk to fishermen. Sadly we couldn't find


any who'd met her. We've grown used to the idea


of message discipline since New Labour and its pager


culture but disappearing ministers, that seems a whole new level


of control freakery. And as for the missing


woman herself? We tried our hardest


but Andrea Leadsom was, Inspector Sweeney there.


the one that got away. And we'll be despatching him to hunt


for missing politicians from other We did ask Tory Central Office


if they'd told Leadsom and others not to speak to Newsnight


during the campaign Caitlyn Jenner was the archetypal


American jock, one of the United States most famous


and revered athletes who, as Bruce Jenner, took


Olympic Gold in the Decathlon at Montreal in 1976,


and broke the world record. Fast forward almost 40


years, and the star, part of the Keeping Up


with the Kardashians reality TV extravaganza


as husband of Kris Kardashian, revealed that they had


separated and subsequently Caitlyn had known since teenage


years that she wanted to be a woman but there were three marriages


and ten children and step In 2015, she went public


with her new life in a spectacularly glamorous way, and in January this


year she completed her sex Now in her new book 'The Secrets


of My Life', she has told the story of her long and difficult journey


from Bruce to Caitlyn. At the heart of this


book, I think there's an overwhelming sadness,


in a way, in a sense you had to live so much of your life outwardly


to the world as if everything is fine, and yet there is been this


incredible subterfuge though that actually you can have


all the adulation outside but what matters to you is 20


minutes where you can secretly be That was a constant struggle


and even after the games, many years ago, I remembered


the next morning getting up and looking in the mirror


and putting the gold medal around my neck, didn't


have a stitch of clothes on, looking in the mirror and I thought,


oh my God, did I build up such a character here that I'm stuck


with him for the rest of my life? Because that's not me,


it's not who I am. You talk about a moment when you are


about to have an operation to reduce your Adam's apple and it


got out, it might have You felt very low and I wonder,


did you feel suicidal? I was home, walking up and down,


3am in the morning, walking up and down the hallway of my house


and knowing that this is probably And honestly at that point I didn't


really want to deal with it because I knew the paparazzi


would be going crazy on me, And I thought, you know,


the easy thing is to go in the other room and end it right here, end


the story right here, and I don't That and my conversation with God


were the turning points. The next day I thought,


wasn't that stupid, thinking Germaine Greer put her foot


into this controversy, she'd been in it before


but she put her foot in this controversy last year


on Australian television, that a man who has lived for 40


years as a man and has had children, it's not fair for the man to decide


that he is a woman." I can see that and I respect that


opinion and you're absolutely right, I will never bear children,


I have a lot of children And yeah, but that doesn't make me


any less of who I was. This woman living inside me has


been there all my life, it's time to let her live,


it's time to give her a chance. To be honest with you,


Bruce did everything Bruce could do. Honestly, that was more


difficult, to come out You're also a supporter


of Donald Trump and at first, he said, during the campaign, he


supported the idea that LGBTQ people could use, for example,


the rest rooms that they wished, Is that the kind of thing


you should be campaigning on? People say that I'm


a supporter of Donald Trump. No, I like the Republican


party because I believe in limited government,


I believe in the people of this If we're going to get out of this


mess that we are in, it's going to be the people,


not the government, was our candidate so I'm


going to vote for him, I thought he would be pretty good


when it comes to LGBT issues. I talked to him in the campaign


and he put out some federal guidelines which I think


is important when it comes to dealing with LGBT


issues and trans issues. I was tweeting about it,


I went public about it. He wants me to play golf with him


but I can't, because I'd be But isn't that the best way to get


to him, on the golf course? From my standpoint, I would spend


four hours with him and say, Inwardly, do you allow yourself


to feel it or has it always been You talk about having


the soul of a woman. Have you changed in any


way, do you think? I've been able to see the world


from the other side. It takes a while, time, not two


years in, to leave Bruce behind. Do you think there's a more


nurturing side of you that's allowed to come out now, or have


you always been like that? I've always had a nurturing side


to meet but definitely I had my 11th grandchild


the other day. You know what's cool


about grandchildren? My relationships


with all of my family, very close friends, in most cases


has gotten better. I don't have all of


the turmoil inside of me, Caitlyn Jenner, thank


you very much indeed. Before we go, Britain's


oldest swimming pool - Victoria Baths in Manchester -


will be open for swimming for the first time in


24 years this Sunday. The 101-year-old baths fell


into disrepair in the 90s, but after winning the BBC's


Restoration competition in 2003, they are slowly


on the way back to life. They will open for one day only,


but organisers hope the money raised from the event will allow them


to complete the restoration. Here's a look at


Manchester's so-called as the fishermen like to say,


the one that got away. Hello. A weekend of sunny spells and


showers but not in equal measure. On Saturday, the south-east of England


will do well in terms of staying dry with some sunshine. Some showers but


you're much more likely to see them in the north and


A look at the NHS cyber attack; the programme follows Labour's Jess Phillips on the campaign trail; has Andrea Leadsom been sidelined by the Tories?; an interview with Caitlyn Jenner.

Kirsty Wark presents.

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