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Labour's manifesto promises a fairer more prosperous society for the many

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for the many not just the few, with tax, borrow

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How's it playing with the core vote?

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And I'm very proud to present our manifesto

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I believe in the Labour Party, what they stand for,

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but I just don't think he's got enough people behind him,

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he's not strong enough to lead the party, really.

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I've waited all my life to hear a manifest like that. It looks after

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people. Is it grim up North for Labour,

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or will the heartlands hold? The Shadow Cabinet's Richard Burgen

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joins us from Leeds. We can't have someone

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in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word

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"confidential" or "classified". Did Donald Trump compromise a key

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intelligence source, by giving the Russian Foreign Minister secret

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intelligence about Islamic State? Is this one too far even

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for the Donald or is he another Teflon President that

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nothing sticks to. And we go to Durham

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to examine the new divide - educated Remainers versus

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working class Brexiteers. I don't think our values are under

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threat, as much as we just need to articulate them better,

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and perhaps in a less When I was doing a bricklaying

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apprenticeship, I couldn't get it, because at first all the Polish came

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over, and they took people's jobs. Finally, we have the

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finished article. Jeremy Corbyn launched

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the party's election manifesto in Bradford,

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describing it as It certainly promised the earth,

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with a programme of tax, spend... Tax hikes of almost ?50 billion

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a year to pay for scrapping tuition fees, raising the minimum wage

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to ?10 an hour, and adding ?6 billion a year to education

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and ?7 billion to health and social care, and borrowing of ?250 billion

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over ten years for infrastructure, There was a definite high moral

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tone to the manifesto, with it's pledge of a levy

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on excessive pay - ?300,000 was the figure

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Jeremy Corbyn plumped for. So who was the Labour

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leader addressing? The Corbyn faithful,

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or did he think the idea of the big state and tax rises

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would have wide appeal? Our political Editor Nick Watt

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was at the launch. We have liftoff! Manifesto launch

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days can often turn into rather sedate affairs. Today had the

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feeling of a rolling personal rally, as Jeremy Corbyn took the Labour

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manifesto on the road. And, we will build over a million new homes... A

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few hours earlier the Shadow Cabinet had gathered in Bradford for this

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morning's launch. Team Corbyn thought that Banda had been stolen

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when a draft of the document was leaked last week. But supporters

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whooped with delight when Jeremy Corbyn pledged to nationalise the

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railway in stages and scrap university tuition fees.

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Our proposal is the government for the many, not a few. Our proposals

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are of hope for the many all over this country, and I'm very proud to

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present our manifesto for the many, not the few. Thank you very much!

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CHEERING One loyal trade unionist was

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delighted. I think it's fantastic. I've waited

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all my life to hear a manifesto like that. It does really look after

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people, working people. The only thing I get upset about when people

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talk about ordinary people, I don't think there's an ordinary person in

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the world, but people have needs, people have been suffering and this

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is to reach out to them. Jeremy Corbyn cited Harold Wilson in his

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speech. Harold, as he called him, unseated at Oriol more than 50 years

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ago after freshening a message that appeared to in bold in the modern

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world. Today critics said the manifesto had a bit of a retro feel

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about it, but supporters of Jeremy Corbyn say he is absolutely in touch

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with today's world. I think he comes over as a very natural speaker and

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as a very genuine person. At last, someone we can believe in rather

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than just another of these plastic politicians. Something special about

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him. Blair and Brown? Never, no, that's when I went off Labour.

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Jeremy's the man for me. If his message is unfiltered you would be

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confident he would win the British people over? You listen to a man in

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choosing, yes, I don't agree with all of that, of course you don't,

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but what he says is fundamentally for the interests of working people.

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For the vast majority of this country, not the handful of

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neoliberals down in London. Jeremy Corbyn received a rapturous

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reception when he spoke to his fan base at Huddersfield's Beaumont

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Park. We know he has plenty of support in the Labour Party because

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he has won the party leadership two years in a row. The challenge for

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him is to reach out to the wider electorate across the country.

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What do you think of the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn and his

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leadership? I think it's well-intentioned but I think it's

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probably unelectable. And if they were elected, I wouldn't want to be

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in the country after they'd been elected.

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I just don't think he's really strong enough, he's not strong

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enough, I have to say. I mean, I believe in the Labour Party. What

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they stand for, but I just don't think he's got enough people behind

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him, he's not strong enough to lead the party. He's not. No, not

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somebody I would follow. What do you think of Jeremy Corbyn?

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I think he gets a hard time in the press, but ultimately I think he's a

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change that would be good for the country. I think he's an honest and

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straight up leader. Do you see him as a potentially strong Prime

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Minister? I do. I think what you see with him is what you get.

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A ghost of one of Jeremy Corbyn's he arose hung over the day's events.

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Michael foot was cheered round the country 1983 but went down to a

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heavy defeat. Is there a danger he's getting these rapturous receptions

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as Michael foot did and it turned out he was preaching to the

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converted? Who knows, to be quite honest. We will know on the 9th of

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June, but what I would say to people is read the manifesto. If you like

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what it says, if there are bits in it that there's a you and your life

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and make your life better, vote. Shadow ministers are mostly sanguine

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about Labour's prospects. But there was palpable anger among

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Jeremy Corbyn's supporters, who believe that the man that calls

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himself Monsieur Zen is not getting a fair hearing and being unfairly

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maligned. But does this manifesto stack

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up as a policy offer? Our Policy Editor

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Chris Cook is here. What did you make of it? I think

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it's really important that when we think about manifesto speedo think

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them as very literal accounts of what a future government is going to

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do. Because frankly the world is too complicated. And you set yourself up

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for terrible disappointment. I think one of the things I've been trying

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to look at today is to think about what exactly is reasonable to expect

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of a political party to put down. Otherwise we are at risk of drifting

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into a conversation about our politics, which is does this tiny

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sum of money add up to this tiny sum of money and losing the bigger

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picture. What are the questions we should be asking of labour? This

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manifesto is a draft for a better future for our country. It's a

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blueprint of what Britain could be. Today, labour launched their vision

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for what Britain could be like. Their blueprint for the country as

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much as we expected from the leaked last week. It is a radical

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prospectus, certainly, but how should you assess their plans?

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When you read party manifestos I suggest applying two tests to what

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you see. The first question is ideology, what does this party stand

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for? A good manifesto should explain which groups and sector party wants

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to prioritise. The quick second question is about capability, has

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this party done its homework question specifically when it comes

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into government and has to deal with the uncertainties and unknown and

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that ministers face, do they have the capacity and knowledge to cope?

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To answer the first question, Labour's direction is very clear.

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Labour will end the cuts in the National Health Service. Labour will

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scrap tuition fees. Labour will take our railways back into public

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ownership and put passengers first! After today's manifesto launch we

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had a clear idea of what the Jeremy Corbyn government would do, quite

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big rises in tax, ?50 billion in total, income tax for high earners

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and corporation tax and that money to be spent improving public

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services from the NHS to schools. We don't know what the Conservatives

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will do, they launch their manifesto on Thursday forced you can be sure

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they will be doing this so there's a big choice on the 8th of June. They

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would do more, running train services directly, buying up water

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companies but some of their priorities are surprised analysts.

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Within their spending plans, a big increase in spending on schools and

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child care and infrastructure spending and fair settlement for the

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NHS not a generous most of the benefit cuts would be left in place.

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The second question is tougher. Has Labour done its homework so it's

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ready to run Whitehall? A snap election has made preparing much

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harder. I think it is particularly hard at this time because prepared

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to normal times they have had to do this at very short notice. They

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haven't had the usual luxury of setting up working groups, talking

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to think tanks and drawing in outside experts to draw up ideas. It

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is a front bench short of government experience, so they can't really

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draw on that. If you conserve that -- compare it to the Conservatives,

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they are in office, they are sitting there and have been working out

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policy ideas, have been able to draw on civil service support about ideas

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they were going to implement in government and they can translate a

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lot of those into their manifesto. Take this example. One of Labour's

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top education items is a ?5 billion extension of preschool childcare

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which is simple enough. But it also plans total reform of the childcare

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system, and they've simply given us no detail at all about what that

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means. The biggest concern, though, is fiscal. Labour wants to raise

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taxes by ?49 billion a year, but they also say only the top 5% of

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earners will be asked to contribute more in tax to help fund our public

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services. A lot of people want precisely that sort of thing from

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Labour, but there are risks. The proposals would raise a lot in tax,

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tens of billions of pounds, but might still fall well short of what

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they need. The tax rise is focused on a small group of high income

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people and increasing corporation tax. If they do fall short, will

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they borrow more, cut back on the spending plans or go for other tax

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rises? Labour is pledging a radical blueprint, but that makes it more

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important to sound reassuring. A snap election makes that much harder

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for Labour to achieve. Joining us now from Leeds

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is Labour's Richard Burgon, a member of Jeremy

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Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. Good evening. Good evening. First of

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all, what proportion of GDP will the total tax take the by the end of the

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parliament based on the manifesto today? What I would say first of all

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is your colleague Chris was right in saying we should be talking about

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the bigger picture. This document I have here, that you referred to in

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your package, sets out exactly the total cost, ?48.6 billion, and

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exactly how we will raise it. We want to talk about some specifics. I

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wonder if you know what proportion of GDP the total tax take will be,

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based on the manifesto today. What proportion will that be? I think

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what we need to talk about here... If you'll let me finish I'm asking

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you a question. I understand your technique. It seems to me we are

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being put on trial for daring to suggest higher public spending. Put

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on trial for daring to set out with greater transparency than any other

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party has put forward before, about how much we're going to spend and

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how we will spend it. You I presume ever read the document and it is all

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in there. We have a choice with this interview. We can do the rather

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tedious thing of going through each number... Hang on, hang on. All we

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can talk about the bigger picture. We can talk about... Let me reassure

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you, we are going to go through some of the specific policies in a

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minute. I just wonder if you have any idea what proportion of GDP the

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total tax take will be at the end of this Parliament? Just to tell you,

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in case you don't know, it's going to be 36%. Do you know relatively

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how high that is for many other government since the war? The key is

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this, we've made a pledge on tax you viewers were very interested in. 95%

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of people, everyone gets paid less than ?80,000, won't pay a single

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penny more in taxation, because Labour is the party of low tax for

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the many. The Conservatives sadly in the last seven years have proved

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themselves to be the party of low attacks only for the privileged few.

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Let's look at that. Just tell you that hasn't been such a high tax

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take as a proportion of GDP since 1949. That is pretty eye-catching.

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Another eye-catching announcement today in the manifesto, you're going

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to introduce an excessive pay a levy on salaries above 330,000, another

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one at half a million. Excessive, is that a moral judgment? I think the

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levels of inequality in this society are very great. The average earnings

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in the constituency I represent our ?18,000. I think it is right that

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Labour is saying there will be no secret tax rises or sneaky tax

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ruses. 95% of people want pay -- won't pay an extra penny of tax. The

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Conservatives promised there would be no national insurance increase.

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It is only Labour stopping them doing that through the back door

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that stopped them doing it on slide. Basically what excessive means is

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unnecessary, too high... Basically you believe that people earning over

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330,000, be they entrepreneurs or computer wizards, BBC CEOs are

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essentially earning too much? You think they are earning too much?

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Why can't we talk about the many, not the few? People who earn over

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?100,000, that's about 0.3% of society. That expand this

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conversation and talk about the 95%. Let's move onto one of your other

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major announcements today. That is on the scrapping tuition fees.

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People can be sceptical when it comes to people saying there will be

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no tuition fees. Because of the Lib Dems. You say you will scrap them.

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When would a Labour government scrapped them? Would a student

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starting this September not pay tuition fees? You saw how

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enthusiastically this policy was received. But they wanted to be

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delivered. If it was delivered by a Labour government, would it be

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immediate, incremental, would student at university now in second

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year not pay? When would you be introducing this policy? We will

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reveal the further details about the plan in due course. What is true is

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that it has been widely welcomed. The difference between Jeremy Corbyn

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and people like Nick Clegg, if anybody remembers him, Jeremy Corbyn

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as a politician who has always kept his promises. You just said that we

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will know more detail in a few weeks. We will know the detail of

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tuition fees at how they will be scrapped in three weeks? We will be

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making further announcements about the detail. It seems to me that we

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are being put on trial for agreeing to more... You are announcing

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policy... We've announced a great list of policies today. Of which

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this is one, a key one, something you are spending a lot on. We make

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no apologies for spending a lot on it because it is fully costed at

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that. Students and people who want to be students from being held back.

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Too many families are being held back in this country and our

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manifesto will change that. It is about fairness, you have been

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categorical about that. Would you suggest that if you are announcing

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in three weeks' time, that you cannot abolish tuition fees for,

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say, to years of a Labour government, if you get in, would you

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suggest students delay going to university until the policy is in

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place? This is obviously a trap. At the end of the day I hope you would

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join students across the country, and people thinking about being

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students, welcoming this policy as a massive step forward. It is a

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massive step forward. So is reversing the scrapping of the

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student nurse bursaries, bringing back the education maintenance

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allowance. What this is about is stopping people's aspirations from

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being held back. People feel they are being priced out of going to

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university. A Labour government will end that. The difference to even

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Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour team, and the Lib Dems, who you mentioned

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earlier, is that the Labour team as Jeremy Corbyn have a track record of

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keeping their word. You are introducing sweeping changes in

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childcare. Free school meals. There will be the tuition fees. These are

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free benefits for the very people you say earn ?330,000 and access.

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They will benefit from that. That is a terrible inconsistency, isn't it?

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We all benefit from that. We benefit from people going to university,

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their education helps to stimulate the economy. If you are treated in

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hospital you are treated by somebody who has gone to university, whether

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it be a doctor, a nurse, if you go and see a lawyer you are being

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assessed by somebody who has been to university. Our policy of free

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school meals, some people have criticised it for its universalism.

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I am proud of the universalism. On that question of universalism and

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whether that will benefit you, Len McCluskey, he said if the party

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holds 200 seats that will mean this has been a successful campaign. Is

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he one of the so-called moderate doom mongers? Here's a great general

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secretary. I'm delighted he was re-elected recently. All I am

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focused on, and all the Labour team is focused on, is getting out these

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policies, policies for the many, not the few... Would it be with 200

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seats? The polls have narrowed. I think they will continue to narrow

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when people see the policies of our manifesto. We want with this general

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election. There is three weeks to go. Three weeks is a long time in

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politics. We are up for the fight. We are forwarding the selection in

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order to completely transform things. So things are run in the

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interest of the many not the few, so we end the system rigged against

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vulnerable families. Thanks very much.

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The White House has tonight refused to comment on reports

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that the highly classified information that President Trump

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today finally admitted to sharing with the Russian foreign Minister

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and the Russian Ambassador had come from Israeli Intelligence.

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After first denying he had shared anything and sending his

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National Security Advisor General HR McMaster, out deny any wrongdoing,

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today President Trump said he had an absolute right to do what he did,

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and sent General McMaster out yet again.

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I stand by my statement I made yesterday.

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What I'm really saying is that the premise of that article

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is false, but in any way the president had a conversation

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that was inappropriate, or that resulted in any kind

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And so I think the real issue, and I think what I would like to see

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really debated more, is that national security has been

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put at risk by those violating confidentiality.

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The New York Times reported that Trump asked the then FBI director,

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James Comey, to end his investigation into Michael Flynn for

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alleged connections with Russia. He sacked James Comey a week ago. The

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White House denied this report. But the stream of charges and

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accusations against the Trump White House seems to be endless.

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But where does this latest row leave his relationship

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with a Republican Party that has, thus far, shown steady loyalty

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Joining me now is Jacob Weisberg of Slate media group,

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and Debra Saunders who is the White House Correspondent

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Good evening to both of you. Thank you for coming in. On the scale of

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calamity, Jacob, how does this rack including the New York Times story

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tonight? -- how does this rank. These are pretty much the worse

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things that have happened the Trump. I think they are clearly impeachable

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offences. If you had a Congress willing to think about impeachment,

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and at some time you will, this is obstruction of justice. The primary

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article of impeachment against Nixon was the same. The president seems

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intent on providing all of the evidence needed to support it

:22:49.:22:53.

himself. Debra, the whole question of whether Trump actually knew what

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he was doing is still far from clear. Is it a case of calamity

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after calamity and Congress being unwilling to do anything about it,

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or will be the latest two, as Jacob seems to say, tipped over the edge?

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-- tip it over the edge? He did not know the source of the information

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he apparently inadvertently revealed to the Russians. As you know, -- I'm

:23:20.:23:32.

not sure there isn't an illegality. It is tough for Trump. First, it is

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the Russians again. He seems to be smitten by Vladimir Putin and some

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of the other Russians. He campaigned, saying he was against

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Clinton, she lets classified information fall into the hands of

:23:46.:23:49.

others because she had them in a home server. Now it turns out he has

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slipped something to the Russians. I must say, you are asking what is the

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number come up to ten, we have been eight through ten for the last week.

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We have been over 84 with this president. He thrives on chaos. --

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we have been over eight already with this president. I think he has the

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stamina to stick things out. He seems ready to cut whatever comes

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his way. That is what he has been doing. -- he seems ready to gut.

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Nobody has made a comment whether it was Israeli intelligence being

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discussed yet. Is he just going to limp on? I'm not sure if it is worse

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or better if he compromises the intelligence inadvertently, or did

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it, as he was trying to say yesterday, with purpose in mind.

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When you think about what is at stake, the penetration of a

:24:52.:24:56.

terrorist organisation, like Isis, by an allied security service, there

:24:57.:25:00.

isn't much more important to protect than the ability to keep that kind

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of information flowing, to protect from terrorists, and future

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terrorist attacks. This is information that journalists are

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very good at protecting. In fact, the news organisations that cover

:25:15.:25:17.

this story, including the Washington Post, were very careful about

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restraining themselves from revealing the information that Trump

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apparently revealed to the Russians. You cannot plead ignorance, or

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inadvertence, or callousness here. It is an odd loophole that he

:25:37.:25:41.

doesn't need a security clearance. But it is clear that Trump will not

:25:42.:25:45.

qualify for one. On the whole question of the New York Times

:25:46.:25:50.

tonight, whether or not he asked James Comey not investigate Michael

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Flynn, if that could be proved what would be the consequence of that,

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Debra? I don't know if it can be proved. We know James Comey, as soon

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as he finished dinner, wrote a memo and the Trump did it. I think it is

:26:05.:26:10.

a bit of a he said she said. Unless, of course, the president we did

:26:11.:26:13.

there may be tapes. Then we would know. I do not think that would be a

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good thing for Trump because it makes you feel like you are in the

:26:20.:26:23.

days of Watergate when you see that out there. You raise Watergate.

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Watergate was a long, drawn-out business. Do you think the

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Republicans don't have the appetite for that, they are going to stick to

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their man? I would have said that a week ago. That is what has been

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going on. A lot of Trump supporters feel the media are against him. That

:26:44.:26:47.

the Democrats are against him. That everybody is rooting for him to fail

:26:48.:26:51.

and it makes them want to stand by him more. Here is what happened

:26:52.:26:54.

which went wrong with James Comey last week. The president had a right

:26:55.:27:02.

to fire James Comey, but... He sent out his surrogates. Sean Spicer,

:27:03.:27:06.

Sarah Huckabee Sardis, and gave us this story about how Trump ended up

:27:07.:27:12.

talking to the Deputy Attorney General and the Attorney General,

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they brought forward the memos, the sport of the president of fire James

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Comey. Then what does he do come he tells NBC News that he was going to

:27:20.:27:23.

do it all along because of the Russians. If you are Republican and

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you want to take his story, and tell it to the world, you know you can be

:27:31.:27:34.

undercut by him the next day on NBC news. Thank you both very much

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indeed. In this election, how do we know

:27:38.:27:38.

what really matters to people? The old certainties are gone,

:27:39.:27:41.

tribal loyalties shattered - People are less likely to vote

:27:42.:27:43.

blindly for the party of their parents, and factors

:27:44.:27:47.

such as age, geography, and education are emerging

:27:48.:27:49.

as the new dividing lines. Over the next three weeks,

:27:50.:27:52.

Katie Razzall is going to be looking at some of these divisions in 21st

:27:53.:27:55.

Britain's voting For her first report she travelled

:27:56.:27:57.

from Durham to Tyneside, to examine where the faultlines lie

:27:58.:28:00.

in terms of education. An island of Remain in a region that

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voted overwhelmingly Out. Nearly a fifth of Durham's

:28:17.:28:28.

inhabitants have a degree, which statistics suggest also means

:28:29.:28:30.

they're more liberal and outward With left and right now

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less obviously a marker of how someone might vote,

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university appears a prime ceding So here we are, we're

:28:42.:28:43.

entering the premises Jack Gilmour is the Society's

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proud Treasurer. Founded in 1842, all

:28:48.:28:55.

those years ago... Amongst the student fraternity,

:28:56.:28:56.

Jack's in a minority group. This place has produced many

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notable MPs, including Edward Leigh and Crispin Blunt,

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and here we have the main He's a Conservative

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supporter and a Leave voter. The other three here

:29:11.:29:13.

are Labour Remainers. Voting remain and voting leave,

:29:14.:29:17.

again, it's about how I want society to be multicultural,

:29:18.:29:19.

I want everyone to be equal. What do you think it is,

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if anything, about university education, that makes it such

:29:28.:29:29.

a marker for how Well, I think certainly people

:29:30.:29:31.

who are more university educated, of course, tended to vote Remain

:29:32.:29:37.

more in the referendum. I think what's really sad

:29:38.:29:40.

at the moment, the 48% who voted Remain have kind of been cut out

:29:41.:29:43.

of public discourse entirely. We're pursuing a hard Brexit,

:29:44.:29:46.

we're leaving the single market, The 48%, which is a very large

:29:47.:29:48.

portion of this country, are being labelled enemies

:29:49.:29:52.

of the people in the press and effectively being cut

:29:53.:29:55.

out of the discussion. The people that go to university,

:29:56.:30:00.

they're interacting in more multicultural societies,

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and if you go to university, you're more likely to get

:30:04.:30:09.

a job in a city as well, which is then more

:30:10.:30:12.

likely to be Remain. I think that your views can

:30:13.:30:14.

so easily be swayed, My views changed when I came

:30:15.:30:16.

to university, somewhat, on topics I was a believer when I started

:30:17.:30:20.

in my first year, but I was exposed to different thoughts and I became

:30:21.:30:27.

an atheist afterwards, for example. I think background,

:30:28.:30:29.

where you're born and how you're raised and so on,

:30:30.:30:34.

determines, I think, My parents were working class people

:30:35.:30:36.

who became middle-class, I mean their sort of story of,

:30:37.:30:39.

for want of a better term, rags to riches, I think,

:30:40.:30:44.

is an inspirational one and I think that's why

:30:45.:30:47.

I have a conservative mindset. Education apparently

:30:48.:30:52.

fuels voting habits. In the French election,

:30:53.:30:55.

areas whose inhabitants have less education were much less likely

:30:56.:30:57.

to vote for Macron than Both Brexit and Donald Trump's

:30:58.:30:59.

victory were also driven by people with fewer educational

:31:00.:31:08.

qualifications. Why is education having this effect,

:31:09.:31:08.

and is it patronising even to look Almost as if this is a problem to be

:31:09.:31:13.

fixed, instead of simply Everyone's right to have

:31:14.:31:23.

a different opinion? Newsnight headed up the coast,

:31:24.:31:32.

back to a place that was celebrating when we visited the day

:31:33.:31:35.

after the Brexit vote. Haven't been to sea for 15

:31:36.:31:47.

days, or 18 days, that's John Ellis has worked at North

:31:48.:31:49.

Shields fish quay for 60 years. I can read a little bit

:31:50.:32:06.

and write a little bit, Without educational qualifications,

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John made a good living doing a valued job in

:32:10.:32:15.

a respected industry. And a kid to your age now,

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a 15-year-old who left school... Would they have the same prospects

:32:20.:32:22.

as you had back then? What the case was down here,

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if you worked hard, And when you think about

:32:28.:32:34.

the Prime Minister now, Theresa May? I think she's all right

:32:35.:32:38.

for the country, and The other fella's good

:32:39.:32:46.

as well, the Labour man. But he's got no oomph

:32:47.:32:51.

about him, you know? In heartland Labour Tyneside, many

:32:52.:33:00.

at the fish dock migrated to Ukip. This election not all

:33:01.:33:03.

those votes are assured. The quay master left school at 16

:33:04.:33:06.

to be apprenticed; his children When I was young I had choices,

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you could go down the yards, the coal mines, the steel yards,

:33:10.:33:19.

but there's nothing I'm just now thinking I won't vote,

:33:20.:33:21.

because there's no one to vote for. You couldn't bring yourself

:33:22.:33:25.

to vote Conservative? They wrecked the northern England

:33:26.:33:28.

the last time they had I mean, I've got two

:33:29.:33:33.

kids now at university. One went into, he's just

:33:34.:33:36.

working at call centres Now at university, because he went

:33:37.:33:38.

into construction but there wasn't the there isn't the work

:33:39.:33:44.

in the north any more. Unless Theresa May can come up to me

:33:45.:33:46.

and put a deal on the table and say, this is what we going to do,

:33:47.:33:50.

this is what we've got for the fishermen, then my vote

:33:51.:33:53.

will be going to Ukip, to put through the job that that

:33:54.:33:56.

they've already started. Jackie Weatherstone

:33:57.:33:58.

left school at 15. He voted Ukip recently, but back

:33:59.:34:00.

in the day it was a different story. I had to be in the Labour Party

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to get a job, to get to sea, It'd be Conservative,

:34:04.:34:07.

because Ukip's finished, isn't it? This election, 53% of those

:34:08.:34:11.

YouGov asked who have no qualifications plan to vote Tory,

:34:12.:34:20.

17% Ukip, 18% Labour and 5% Lib Dem. The Tory vote share seems

:34:21.:34:26.

to decrease for every extra Of those with degrees,

:34:27.:34:28.

Tory vote share was down to 36%, Ukip just 4%, while Labour

:34:29.:34:33.

was on 28% and the Lib Dems 19%. # Twinkle, twinkle, little star,

:34:34.:34:41.

How I wonder what you are...# The mood music across the Tyne

:34:42.:34:43.

in South Shields is In a place where 62% voted out,

:34:44.:34:46.

and nearly 30% have no At The Word cultural space,

:34:47.:34:56.

the council offers free music sessions for parents and babies,

:34:57.:35:03.

but when it comes to how these people might vote,

:35:04.:35:08.

is it education or employment He left school at 16,

:35:09.:35:10.

did NVQs and an apprenticeship in bricklaying, recently he's voted

:35:11.:35:19.

Ukip. When I was doing a bricklaying

:35:20.:35:23.

apprenticeship, I couldn't get it because at first all the Polish came

:35:24.:35:28.

over and they took over people's So you couldn't get a job

:35:29.:35:31.

after the apprenticeship? No, I got ruled out of it,

:35:32.:35:37.

what was put down on paper, there were too many cheap labourers

:35:38.:35:40.

available and they didn't want to pay for my wage

:35:41.:35:44.

compared to theirs. It didn't make us angry, it's just

:35:45.:35:46.

obvious business sense, isn't it? Why pay for one person on this,

:35:47.:35:51.

when you can get two So when Theresa May says they're

:35:52.:35:54.

to bring immigration way down, Now, for this election,

:35:55.:36:01.

do you think you'd vote Ukip again? Kate Foster, on the left,

:36:02.:36:08.

went to university but didn't From a mining family, she is staunch

:36:09.:36:19.

Labour and voted Remain. And what you feel as

:36:20.:36:26.

a Remainer in this sea Especially, we've got Nissan

:36:27.:36:29.

at Sunderland and I can't understand why a city that depends on industry

:36:30.:36:34.

and outside help... I want to live in a country that's

:36:35.:36:36.

open, open to people that need help, aren't afraid to have friends

:36:37.:36:50.

from all walks of life. I don't see that that's going to be

:36:51.:36:57.

how it's going to be any more. I do think it's under

:36:58.:37:01.

threat, I really do. The referendum gave a voice to those

:37:02.:37:03.

who haven't benefited from our In Durham our students were taking

:37:04.:37:06.

a break from exam revision. Amongst the gang,

:37:07.:37:16.

another Conservative, this time she's a Remainer,

:37:17.:37:17.

and a Liberal Democrat supporter. I don't think our values are under

:37:18.:37:19.

threat as much as we just need to articulate them better,

:37:20.:37:23.

and perhaps in a less I think the liberal establishment

:37:24.:37:25.

has been a bit smug in their messaging and just assuming

:37:26.:37:28.

everyone is on their side. What we need to do is articulate

:37:29.:37:31.

liberal values and just make the point that they're actually

:37:32.:37:34.

British values. I think we struggle

:37:35.:37:36.

within the Brexit rhetoric, Remainders, we lost,

:37:37.:37:39.

and we have to accept that, which is fine, but the way that

:37:40.:37:42.

we're going now, I'm really frightened of a hard Brexit,

:37:43.:37:45.

because that's where the rhetoric I think is leading,

:37:46.:37:49.

especially as the Tory party want to increase their majority,

:37:50.:37:51.

which I want happened too, what are we doing that

:37:52.:37:54.

at the expense of taking in some A university education doesn't give

:37:55.:37:58.

everybody liberal values. Nor is everyone without a degree

:37:59.:38:16.

conservative, but education is a significant predictor of voting

:38:17.:38:18.

behaviour, and with a likely realignment going on on the right,

:38:19.:38:21.

in many areas of Britain it will play a big role in deciding

:38:22.:38:24.

who wins this election. Well, while there's still room

:38:25.:38:29.

in politics for old-fashioned door-knocking and leaflets,

:38:30.:38:33.

the parties are increasingly fighting a sophisticated

:38:34.:38:39.

cyber-campaign, which targets people The fact this kind of messaging

:38:40.:38:41.

is so easily focused at specific groups of voters, means it can be

:38:42.:38:46.

difficult to see exactly what the parties are

:38:47.:38:49.

sending and to whom. We're keen to get to the bottom

:38:50.:38:52.

of this, so we've teamed up with our colleagues from BBC

:38:53.:38:55.

Trending - and we need your help. Mukul Devichand is the editor of BBC

:38:56.:38:58.

Trending and joins me now. What's going on? As you say, it's

:38:59.:39:07.

about what we know and what we don't know. What we know is at least ?1

:39:08.:39:13.

million will be spent on Facebook advertising during the election. It

:39:14.:39:18.

was 1.3 million in 2015. We know it is a really micro-targeted kind of

:39:19.:39:22.

advertising that can look at what your likes and dislikes are, through

:39:23.:39:27.

your friends are, where you are, your age and gender and target

:39:28.:39:30.

messages towards you and parties will be doing that. This was thought

:39:31.:39:33.

to be a game changer in the referendum. One estimate was up to a

:39:34.:39:38.

billion messages sent by the parties. What we don't know is what

:39:39.:39:43.

all those messages say. Some of them are not publicly visible, apart from

:39:44.:39:47.

the people that get them. What you want people to do about it?

:39:48.:39:53.

Newsnight and Trending will be teaming up to try and analyse what

:39:54.:39:57.

to send us. We want you to take a snap of a message you get in your

:39:58.:40:01.

timeline that feels political, send it to us, send us a bit of

:40:02.:40:05.

information about yourself if you don't mind, your age and location

:40:06.:40:08.

and except. How to send is on screen. We will try and analyse that

:40:09.:40:14.

and build up a national picture of the types of messaging that the

:40:15.:40:17.

parties are using and come back to the show and on the BBC Trending

:40:18.:40:21.

blog to report that. Thank you. Now the last of our Viewsnights,

:40:22.:40:27.

pitching ideas for the parties Tonight, it's Times

:40:28.:40:30.

journalist Raphael Hogarth. That's all we have time for tonight.

:40:31.:42:20.

Good night. A cooler night ahead for Scotland

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and Northern Ireland after the mild and humid night on

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