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The Tories don't seem to want you to.


Five years later because of our long-term economic plan and the


difficult decision... Come with me as I lead Britain. Strengthen our


hand as I fight for Britain and stand with me as I deliver for


Britain. Theresa May spells out a more


statist Conservatism - ditching dozens of her predecessor's


policies from just two years ago. When our political editor asked,


she was reluctant to define one. There is no Mayism. I know that you


journalists like to write about it. One thing that's unchanged


is the Tory immigration target. The Defence Secretary tells us


whether it will continue to be as functionally meaningless as it


has been for the last It is an aim and we intend to


continue to aim to reduce the level of immigration as we have set out.


Also tonight we are in blazing sunshine in Hartlepool which binds


itself on the Tory target list for the first time in decades. Can team


Theresa's narrative land them their first MPs year for half a century? I


like their policies at the moment, I want to leave the European Union and


I think Theresa May is the only person who will get us out of the


European Union with a reasonable deal. Labour. I've always been


Labour. And our panel will tell us


where Theresa May sits on our map Some of us remember


the heydey of TV advertising. Consumer brands - washing


powders and the like - would constantly market themselves


as new and improved. Never mind that they were less


than perfect before, as long as you now understood


that they are better than ever. Well, the Conservative


party is pitching itself A Theresa May manifesto,


with a pretty different A section entitled We Believe


in the Good That Government Can Do, Some will say it's just


marketing, others will see it Certainly, the emphasis on scaling


back the relative generosity displayed to the elderly


is a notable shift. The point of continuity


is the immigration pledge - it'll come down to tens


of thousands apparently. But we'll either look back on this


day as a momentous one in the history of the Tory party,


or as a forgettable attempt to be Let's start with our political


editor Nick Watt, who is in Salford where there has been


an ITV leaders' debate. Nick, what do you think we learned


today? That's right, the ITV leaders debate although sadly not with the


two plausible candidates for Prime Minister. But we saw plenty of


Theresa May at the launch of the Tory manifesto in Halifax and it was


interesting there because what you said earlier was that she made clear


that she does not feel beholden to any of her predecessors. So she


jumped some key elements of David Cameron 's manifesto from 2015. Out


went the tax lock so there's no pledge on


rates of income tax and national insurance and in came a commitment


that means that people will have to pay the cost of domiciliary home


care. This is what one senior Tory told me. Theresa May's brand in


focus groups is so resilient that it can withstand some radical moves


that would have been suicidal two years ago. While you get your


earpiece in, Nick, one of the rationales for this election was


Brexit and making sure that she had a majority, in her view, to get


through Brexit. Reading that manifesto what does it tell us about


her plan for that? She has given herself an enormous amount of


wriggle room on Brexit. We see it on two fronts. On public finances, a


senior Tory told me, she is removing the landmines on tax that could be


really difficult if we have a bumpy economic ride when those Brexit


negotiations are under way and a little noticed section in the


manifesto indicated that the Conservative Party would be prepared


to settle its financial bill when it leaves the EU. And one Tory I spoke


to said to me, the Prime Minister in the last year has embraced Ukip. She


has embraced the Tory right but what he is now showing is coming she gets


a big mandate on June eight she is prepared to walk away from them and


sign up to a deal that really would be quite unpalatable. So today we


really were looking at how liberated Theresa May would like to govern


this country. It was all a bit reminiscent of the 1980s, Tory Prime


Minister ventures into Labour territory with the inevitable and


loud protests. The tightly controlled Tory election campaign


machine was briefly thrown off-course as the protesters greeted


the arrival of Theresa May. Naturally our strong and stable


Prime Minister was not bothered as she took to the podium to tell the


nation it just who is the politician who was known as the submarine Home


Secretary in her last job. Is there a philosophy? One and we will be


talking about in decades to come? It is occasionally said that it's


difficult to define what is meant by Mayism but if you turn to Page nine


of your manifesto it says you reject the cult of softness individualism


and you regard such selfish gradualism and you regard the dogma


of is dangerous. That seems like a rejection of Thatcherism, are you


rejecting personally the comparisons between you and Mrs Thatcher? There


is no Mayism. I know that you journalists like to write about it!


There is good solid conservatism, which puts the interest of the


country and the interests of ordinary working people at the heart


of everything that we do in government. The assembled cabinet


ministers clubbed dutifully as they were put on notice to avoid any talk


of an ism but there was plenty of what George Bush senior memorably


called the vision thing. So join me on this journey, come with me as I


lead Britain, strengthen my hand as I fight for Britain and stand with


me as I deliver for Britain. By infighting former sparring partner


David Davis to introduce the commission show that you believe


that Brexit is the defining challenge of this generation. Our


future prosperity, place in the world, standard of living, the


opportunities we want for our children and children's children,


each and everyone depends on having the strongest possible hand as we


enter those negotiations to get the best Brexit steel for families


across this country. My prayer ministerial dressing down shows that


Theresa May abhors what she described in her little blue book is


the caricature is an idea of placing people on the left or the right. But


it would be remiss not to identify the clear lessons we learned about


her today. She believes she is the only party leader who truly


understands the cry of anguish that drove the Brexit vote. That means


being fearless in challenging traditional Tory thinking and


breaking with the Cameron legacy. Manifestos, said Churchill, should


be a lighthouse, not a shop window. Today's bright light showed the


Prime Minister is prepared to confront the Tory right by dropping


David Cameron 's pledge not to increase income tax and national


insurance, although she does rule and a rise in VAT. Pensioners, by


downgrading the triple lock of a guaranteed 2.5% rise in the basic


state pension to a less generous double lock. Middle England, by


saying they would be allowed to preserve no more than ?100,000 of


their assets to pay for social care. Big business by venturing into


territory once claimed by Ed Miliband, with tougher rules on


corporate pay. Theresa May chose Halifax for the launch of her


manifesto to show that she is confident of recapturing a seat that


has not elected Tory MP since Margaret Thatcher's heyday in 1983.


Labour still enjoys support in the town although the Prime Minister


does appear to be cutting through. Have you always voted Labour? Have


you decided how you will vote? What do you think of Theresa May? I think


she's doing a good job. So far, yeah. She's doing fine. Give her the


mandate to do it. I was definitely the Conservatives but this morning


the manifesto that I heard, the pensioners, ?200 of fuel allowance,


she's going to knock that off to pay for the pensioners that are


higher... I don't think that's right. I know what it is fair but I


did not like the idea of it. From what I've heard of the Labour Party


I like the manifesto, I must say. With protests ringing in her ears,


Theresa May set off to sell division two parts of Britain where the


Tories have been shunned the decades. -- to sell her vision.


Complacency is would officially banned at Tory HQ but senior


ministers are increasingly confident that the Prime Minister appears to


be on the verge of victory. Let's speak to our policy


editor Chris Cook. You have read all the manifestos of


the main parties, Chris, what did you make of this one. One quite


striking thing about this is that it doesn't do well in one of the tests


are set for the Labour Party when we talked about this on Tuesday. I said


one thing you want from a good manifesto is a sense of whether the


people behind this have a good enough understanding of the issues,


that they have done their homework so that they can credibly deliver.


It doesn't mean it is a fully worked out timetable, it is showing a


working, showing knowledge. And the odd thing about this one, especially


after the Labour and Liberal manifestos which were very detailed,


things to contest in all of them but very detailed, there is no working


at all in this. It's actually slightly mysterious how much these


social care changes will bring in, what these tax changes will do, all


this stuff is completely asserted. It's a booklet almost without


numbers in it. They give you the answers without the calculations.


Thank you Chris,. That's a good point


to move on to the Defence His job today was not to defend


the country, but the manifesto. I spoke to him this afternoon


and asked if I had somehow missed the costings section


of the document. Well, what you missed are the wild


promises we sought from Labour, all that extraordinary, billions more to


be borrowed and so on. What you have seen today our commitments to spend


more in two areas, we are already spending more on the NHS, we are


spending more on defence but today we announced ?4 billion more for


schools and we have made it clear where that is coming from and we


have announced additional resources for social care, for the first


time... I'm sorry, you have also announced additional resources for


the industrial strategy and four and the spending. We have but the two


big areas today schools and social care... The costings document that


sets out the costs and whether that will work, is that coming later


ordered I miss it or is it online? You haven't missed it. Some of these


things will depend on the level, for example, we will consult on the


level of the means test by which wealthier people will be asked to


surrender the winter fuel allowance. So some of the detail is still to be


consulted on as you would expect. On the immigration pledge to get


immigration down, and you costed that one. As someone done some work


and said this is how much it will cost the Exchequer because my


understanding is that the Office for Budget Responsibility thinks cutting


migration will cost the Exchequer. Have you guys costed that proposal?


There has been various academic work done on the cost of immigration. We


have made it clear that we accept that there is a cost and we want to


make sure that British companies to contribute to the training of


British workers when they want to fill that post... Sorry to


interrupt, I know you have not got much time. How much is it going to


cost the Exchequer to get immigration down by two thirds from


its current level? Well we haven't set out a formulation of how much it


will reduce by each year, what we have set out as our ambition to


continue to bear down... It is a policy to get immigration down to


tens of thousands, is it not? It is our ambition... Is it not a policy?


It is an ambition and we've had it in previous manifestos. Was the


difference between an ambition and a policy, you've had it in previous


manifestos and have probably not delivered. I isn't that by repeating


it there is some meaning to it this time. It as our aim to bear down on


immigration and for the first time it will become easier as we leave


the EU, they will be no further entitlement to freedom of movement,


at the moment it is animated, anyone in Bulgaria or Lithuania can up


sticks and come... Even if we regarded all the EU immigrants


you are nowhere near it. Is it something you are going to deliver?


It is an aim and we will continue to aim to reduce the level of


immigration that we have set out. Sir Michael, this is sounding a


little weak. I thought your policy was to get immigration down to the


tens of thousands, it sounds like this is not a policy at all. It is,


it is our aim and we have said so. We will get it done. Of you costed


that proposal, that is my point. You blame Labour for not costing bears,


have you costed yours because the OBR says it will cost money. You


need to cost proposals where you will


spend billions of pounds... That this will cost billions. No, it


won't. How do you know if you haven't costed it. The OBR doesn't


say it will cost millions, with great respect. If you are going to


nationalise an industry they will be an enormous cost to that. We are


going to manage properly the number of people coming into this country.


The OBR models different migration scenarios and there are billions of


pounds of differences that amounts to millions of pounds of Exchequer


differences between those assumptions. I put it to you again,


have you costed the proposal to get immigration down by two thirds from


its current level. We have not because we don't know specifically


in what year we will reach that point of reducing it to tens of


thousands but we set it out today, you keep interrupting me, we set out


the additional charge we will impose on British companies when they are


employing other workers, where British people could be taking those


jobs so we will be ensuring that there is some payment towards those


costs. It sounds like a pledge made in the morning has turned into a


vague game which doesn't need costing by the afternoon.


Can we move onto another area, the industrial strategy? Theresa May


said they want to make the party more prosperous and who will with


that. -- will quarrel with that? You have a few pages on this and I was


troubled myself to boil it down to what is at the centre of it. What do


you see as the heart of the industrial strategy? We have set out


our industrial strategy in other documents and we have been


consulting on it. It is a policy of providing our industries,


particularly in regions outside London, and in ensuring we have the


skills base and the focus on the new technologies that will strengthen


our economy, and ensure we continue to earn our place in the world. It


covers everything from shipbuilding to investment in digital, and a


revival through our city deals... The relationship between central


government and the mayors in the regions. But what is the actual


policy? You have outlined the objective and I understand that.


What is the tool that is going to revive, without much money because


you said there will not be much money, but what is that will deliver


the new industrial strategy, or revive industries in those areas?


One of the principal tools is the relationship, as I said, between


central and local government, for the first time empowering


particularly the mayors in their regions but also the cities of our


country, empowering them with local budgets so they can prioritise in


their own areas and make the choices needed between improving the


infrastructure, improving the human capital and to decide which of the


industries they wanted to see grow in their particular areas. And to


focus on. That work is already underway, we are consulting on the


detail, but this is built around investment in the new technologies,


a revival of manufacturing, and an unerring emphasis on skills. Can I


ask you, changing the subject, would you say we have had strong and


stable government for the last two years, between this and the last


election? We have had a relatively small majority in parliament. And we


have had to deal with the aftermath of the referendum result, and we


need to get through implementing the referendum, and we need to get on


beyond Brexit to build a stronger and fairer Britain, and that is why


we need a stronger and more stable Government for Theresa May to deal


with both of those challenges. I think most people looking back over


the last couple of years would consider them the two most unstable


years since the Second World War in the history of this country, and I


just wonder why we should believe you when you say you will be strong


and stable this time as opposed to the coalition of chaos or whatever


your slogan is, when you use the same formulation or the two years


ago before inaugurating two of the most unstable years anyone can


remember? Theresa May made clear today when she wants the manifesto


that the challenge of negotiating a successful exit from the European


Union is one of the difficult things any government is doing in this


country and has done since the Second World War, and to do that you


do need stable leadership, you do need strong government, back here at


home, and that is why she is requesting this fresh mandate from


the British people that will enable her not just to do that but to go


beyond Brexit and build a stronger and fairer Britain that can ever in


its place in the world. Sur Michael Fallon, thank you very much indeed.


Has Theresa May cracked Britain's social care problem?


-- Sir Michael Fallon, thank you very much indeed.


The immediate problem is that it is underfunded, the long


term problem is that we haven't found a way of helping people


who need care pay for it, other than suggesting they burn


The manifesto today basically continues that approach.


Overall, however, the document is not stuffed with largesse


That might be said to be a break with the past.


Chris Cook has been looking at what it implies for pensioners.


This year the Conservative Party is getting a lot of support


from older voters, but it is watering down its support for them.


A Conservative Government would not renew the so-called triple lock


on the state pension when it expires in 2020.


The pension will still rise with prices or earnings -


whichever is higher - but they will no longer be a minimum


On current forecasts scrapping the triple lock does not make


a great deal of difference at all in the coming years,


They were quite recently, and in past years the triple lock


And in the long term, even if the forecasts are right,


the triple lock does add up to start costing quite a lot of money,


so it is an important shift in that sense


and it is also a really symbolic shift with billions of pounds


still to come out of working-age benefits in coming years.


It marks a slightly different approach in terms


Which generations and which age groups the Conservative


The most eye-catching proposal, though, is for a big change


At the moment, if you are in a residential home,


you have to pay for it until you have ?23,250


left in possession, which is when state


That calculation includes all your assets, including your house. People


in this situation would be winners from these plans. Everything stays


the same for them, but the state takes over funding their care


earlier, when they hit ?100,000 of assets, so their potential care bill


is smaller. What we also see is those people worried that there are


savings, that they have done the right thing and see through their


lives and are worried their savings will dwindle to virtually nothing,


we are quadrupling the threshold at which assets will be protected to


that ?100,000. F, though, you're receiving care at home, things are


different. At the moment those people have to pay for care through


their assets until they hit ?20,250 when the state help starts. It


houses are excluded from that sum, so people looked after in their


homes have to run down their savings but get to keep their homes. Under


the Tory plans they would stop running down their own cash sooner


when they hit ?100,000, but the value of their houses will be


included in the means test, saw a lot of people in care at home,


so-called domiciliary care, would now be liable to pay much more. The


Tories have also promised, though, that payment of money from housing


assets can be delayed until the care recipient dies. Those elderly people


who have been worried about how they pay for care in their home want to


have to worry about that in the future. They will not have to pay


while they are still alive, they will... Nothing will be paid. They


will not have to sell their home while they have been living in it.


The plan is intended to get more cash out of pensioners well not


demanding they leave home. A major objective for people like


97-year-old Tony Barsky. I have been offered the opportunity to go into a


care home, but I would like to be here, to spend the rest of my life


here, surrounded by my belongings and everything running on that


basis. I don't want to be out of this place. The key things to


celebrate about today's position on social care are bringing money into


the system, bringing assets into the table to pump much-needed cash into


a social care system which is really struggling and underfunded. At the


same time, providing more care to poorer pensioners and protecting


more poorer pensioners' assets whether they live in a care home


residential home. Those that are welcome. Previous proposals to


reform social care have also identified a problem that these


proposals simply do not touch. Namely, the fact that if you are


unlucky enough to have very poor health in your old age, you also get


billed for it, so families, individual families, bear the


financial risk of illness in old age. So this change puts more money


into the existing care system, in the form of that housing wealth held


by the 670,000 -- the people in domiciliary care in England but it


does not seek to make life less compression is. The people who need


most help will still be asked to pay the most.


So we now have the Tory manifesto and we can try to define


what the party is all about under Theresa May.


And a good time to deploy our blackboard.


You'll pick up the rules as we play the game.


We have the left-right spectrum along here on the X axis; this


And then up the side, on the Y axis, it goes


from the outward, globalist position to nationalist, or protectionist.


Let's call that nationalised even though it says protectionist there.


Let's call that nationalist even though it says protectionist


And we have three seasoned political commentators with us to place


Theresa May and other Tory grandees on the scale.


Paul Mason, who's off this scale on the left.


We have Iain Dale, on the right, LBC presenter.


Miranda, where would you put Theresa May? I will put her down here, quite


protectionist, and left of the Tory party Y axis. But as a champion of


the free market, as a globalist she could be more up here. Can I... We


should not forget one of the extraordinary thing is happening is


the Conservative Party dumping the Single Market... Which was her


thing. Yes, so I would definitely put her down here, and whether you


want to call it red Toryism, and I know she denied there was such a


thing as May-ism... You will put her down there. Paul, how would you


position this? Look, there are no Uihleins left a smash, nothing left


to privatise, so it is hard to be as right-wing as Thatcher -- there are


no unions left to smash. Protectionist, down there. She is an


economic nationalised. There is one sentence in that manifesto that


reveals that, her preparedness to walk away from Europe without a


deal. She could have left that out. I think the idea of literally


declaring UDI from Europe, leaving ourselves and economy with no


market, that is quite nationalised. I think until we know how this is


costed, how big is the state going to be when they eventually get rid


of the deficit in the mid 2020s, then we don't know really how the


left and right it is and that is why it is a good question, what is the


economic content... Miranda put there on the left presumably because


of the economic measures, sending quite left-wing... Intervening in


markets, controlling executive pay. Not the sort of free-market, liberal


market Toryism we are used in the last couple of decades. Shouldn't


you be her? No, it is a form of bright Toryism. And I did cover the


rise of Cameron, and he was a genuinely liberal conservative. This


is antiliberal conservativism. What about you, Iain? I will disagree


with your positioning of David Cameron because I actually think he


is to the right of John Major. I would put him more up here as well.


Margaret Thatcher I think is absolutely right. But you could make


a good case for going further up. I want you to put Theresa May on the


map. If you had asked this question yesterday I would have put her


somewhere around here. Oh, really? Today I would put her somewhere


around here, and the reason is if you are going to be a globalist, you


don't penalised companies for bringing in skilled workers from


overseas and that is what she has done today in this manifesto, a


bizarre thing to do in my view. If you're going to be an outward


looking country after Brexit you want to recruit the strongest, the


best... You or more of an economic liberal on things like immigration


than she is? Absolutely. Thanks, Iain. And you wrote a book on the


history of Tory manifesto is from 1900. I edited a collection of them.


I would not say I wrote them. I did the Liberals as well, just to prove


what a sad geek I am. What do you think of this one as a pitch? It is


very Theresa May in that there is not a lot in it. This general


election is about her against Corbyn, not about policy, in her


view, and it is also not about Brexit. It is strange there are only


two pages in this manifesto about Brexit. A little similar to Margaret


Thatcher's manifesto in 79 in the sense it is very vague and general


but if you are Tory canvasser going out tomorrow what is the standout


policy in this document you go on sale on the doorstep? I'm afraid I


can't think of one. That is right and there are some real risks in it.


This idea of challenging older people who are sitting on a lot of


assets, telling them they will have to pay for their own care, you would


only do that and make that sort of proposition to the electorate if you


were so secure of your victory and so secure of those older voters but


it is a risk. I read something saying if you can't basically do


some of this now you will not be able to do it, when you are 50%


ahead in the polls. If she gets a big landslide it will be important


for her to confront some of these issues early on. Paul, you disagreed


with she goes, telling us this left and right thing is not working in


British politics at the moment... In the space of week both parties have


effectively the fact to change the momentum. Labour is now a Keynesian


big state interventionist party like it was before and is anti-austerity,


and it interesting thing about the Conservatives, how often have you or


I when I worked your sat in the studio and spoke about austerity and


about the sums adding up? That is gone. Labour are substantiated the


fiscal case behind their manifesto better than the Conservatives. I


want to say one thing. The attack on pensioners, on the taxpayer, so she


will probably raise national insurance and income tax, it goes


along side the inability any more to do what Duncan, -- Duncan Smith and


Cameron did, to attack those welfare benefits. I think conservatives


alike realise there is no further road to go down there. One thing I


was taught about the history of the Conservative Party, it was


fantastically adaptable and would reinvent itself every few decades to


suit the new mood, bring more people into its tent, and the world would


be safe under the Tories again. Is this one of those big moments, do


you think, Miranda, or is it just another manifesto that will be


forgotten? Or is it really decisive? It feels like a moment today because


it feels as if Theresa May and the people around her designing these


policies have decided to come in this brilliantly opportunistic way


that the Tories have always been good at, occupy the ground that has


been abandoned, claimed that Labour territory which is all about


sticking up for working families, in the parlance. We have yet to see if


this audacious land grab works because a lot of it, as Iain rightly


said, the details are not there. For example, something I am interested


in is the skills agenda. If you could solve the missing bits of the


educational programme in this country and create a decent


educational... But can it? Just to finish, Iain, do you think this is a


big moment in the history of the Tory party, a reinvention of curling


or not. I think we are in the middle of that. I think today is not that


moment, June the 8th of May well be and it is about defining herself in


opposition to Cameron, if you like. But there are lots of individual


policies in this and a festival like domestic violence policies that you


would not have gotten a previous manifestos. Liberal parts but they


are almost obliterated by the ridiculous immigration pledge. We


had better leave it there. Thank you all very much.


A big question in this election is what happens to people


Many of them don't have a Ukip candidate this time; many others


Now in many Labour seats there were enough Ukip voters last


time to put a Tory into Westminster this time, if they all wanted to.


Hartlepool is one of those constituencies, so the question


is how the Conservative Party offer is going down with the folks there?


Is it enough to turn Ukip voters into Tories?


Hartlepool washed in warm sunshine gives off an air of unreality,


The town has earned its place in electoral history


as much through mythology as through psephology.


Legend has it they hanged a shipwrecked monkey


as a Frenchman in Napoleonic days, but the election of the self-styled


monkey candidate for mayor - not once, but twice -


And it was here that the former MP Peter Mandelson was once accused


of mistaking mushy peas for guacamole in a local


He didn't, of course - it was a gimmick joke,


but it stuck because it played to a delicious cliche,


the Southern Metropolitan confusing his northern culture.


Mandelson surfed in here in the wave of New Labour,


This time the Tories are hoping to hoover them up.


But with the launch of today's manifesto, the mushy pea


Can Conservatives, long shunned in the industrial north-east,


convince Hartlepool they're on the side of -


to coin today's phrase - ordinary working people


Mostly, I've only ever voted for one other party and that was last year


And what's bringing you back to Conservative?


I want to leave the European Union and I think Theresa May is the only


person who's going to get us out of the European Union


Labour, I've always been Labour because it's


Right, so nothing will change your mind?


I think they're more for people who haven't got a lot of money,


because what the Conservatives have done recently, it's...


There hasn't been a Tory MP in this part of the world for over 50 years,


but there is an audacity of approach this time.


They've sent a big beast, David Davis, here to


Over lunch, I ask him if he thinks it's an ambition too far.


What we're seeing on the doorsteps is people who've never voted


Conservative in their lives before saying they're going to vote


for Theresa May because they think that she will deliver a better deal


Are you more of a mushy peas man or a guacamole man?


Being me and being so working class I'm mushy peas, I'm afraid.


In Mandelson's seat it's a good question.


Do you mind if I leave you one of these?


I'm your Conservative candidate during the election.


Carl Jackson is hoping to win Hartlepool for the Conservatives.


He's currently a councillor in Buckinghamshire,


Don't they say, what are you doing up here?


Well, I'm not going to pretend to have been


born in Hartlepool - I wasn't.


It didn't seem to stop Peter Mandelson being


He was born in one of the poshest parts of London.


But I have family from the north-east and this is an area


I know, it is an area I care about, and it's an area which


Do you mind if I leave you with a leaflet just with a few points.


He voted for Brexit, as did 70% of Hartlepool,


so does that mean job done for Ukip here?


For from it, says Phillip Broughton, the only one of the candidates


who stood last time, when he came second.


I think the Tories know that this is a Ukip -


seat, and Ukip or Labour is going to win, and people have got


a very clear choice, Emily, on June 8th.


If the vote Conservative or they vote Labour they will get


a Labour MP and nothing will change and it will be business as usual.


And I've lived in the town for 18-odd years...


Mike Hill suddenly found himself the prospective Labour candidate


when Iain Wright stepped down as the election was called.


I was just listening to that at the moment, the Government


Motorbike licences - a reminder that even in this big


week of manifestos most people are just thinking about


I'm sure it's going to be a hard fight to claw back for Labour...


Because if the Tories pick up that Ukip vote this time around,


The conversations I am having a very positive.


I represent a fresh start for Labour in this town and that's


The gleaming marina speaks to a Hartlepool reborn,


but the thousands of jobs lost here when heavy industry shutdown


The Conservatives have never really cared about Hartlepool,


and I don't think the leopard's going to change its spots.


I think as soon as the media's gone, they'll ravage Hartlepool.


Labour have had many many chances in Hartlepool,


both nationally and locally, and as I walk around


the town and speak to people there are very despondent


There's an appetite with Brexit for a fresh start here, but don't


Hartlepool's headland has seen the ebb and flow of centuries


Their defences may now prove too solid.


Emily in Hartlepool. I am afraid the labels on the Ukip and Labour


candidates were the wrong way round so the Ukip guy was first and the


Labour guy was after him, I think that was obvious from some of the


content. Is this a momentous moment, the Daily Mail thinks so if you look


at the headline, the Tories, 84 page manifesto unveiling Mayism, she


hates, politics entered a new era. That's all we've got


time for this evening. # In the sun on my disgrace


# Some moustache... # Call my name and I hear you scream


again. # Black hole sound, won't you come


and wash away the rain # Black hole Sun, won't you come


# Won't you come


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