02/06/2017 Newsnight


With Emily Maitlis. Analysis of the May and Corbyn Question Time with Boris Johnson. Plus Thanet Conservative charged over expenses and Obama's climate envoy on the Paris Accord.

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Theresa May faces questions from public sector workers.


My question to you is, why do you care less


about the children than the Labour government?


I don't care less about the children.


We'll talk to Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.


Jeremy Corbyn faces questions on nuclear weapons.


Would you allow North Korea or some idiot in Iran


to bomb us and then say, oh, we'd better start talking?!


No, of course not, of course I would not do that.


We'll ask our panel if they think Mr Corbyn can win.


The Conservative candidate in Thanet faces criminal charges


How will this affect the race there?


I wouldn't have thought it'd make any difference.


Because I think they're all Ukip down this way.


And, Stephen Smith drives his bus where most


How many of these battle buses have you seen so far?


If you've sat through an hour and a half


of the Leaders' Debate and you're joining us now,


If you've missed the whole thing up until this moment, fear not -


we're live in York in the Spin Room, and will be talking to Boris Johnson


You will get a full taste of it here.


This was the last major set TV piece of the election,


and it fell to the public to ask the questions.


Theresa May faced questions about public services,


Brexit, and her recent tendency to backtrack.


Jeremy Corbyn was pressed by the public once again on Trident,


his commitment to the red button and his attitude towards the IRA.


It's hard to talk about winners and losers when the two never


But let's go live to Nick Watt, who was watching the debate


He can tell us what happened. What was your sense, Nick? Well, in these


debates you are looking for easing a moment, the moment of the US


presidential election when Ronald Reagan turned to Jimmy Carter and


said, there you go again. This was not a head-to-head, and you didn't


have a big moment like that. But what you did have was awkward


moments for both leaders. For Jeremy Corbyn, his difficult moment came


when he was asked about the Trident nuclear deterrent. He made clear he


has changed his position from 2015 when he said that he would never use


it. He said he would not authorise a first strike. But he could not bring


himself to say that he would actually authorised it in those


circumstances. A member of the audience said, surely it is better


to have it there and not use it than to not have it. Jeremy Corbyn would


not answer that question. For the Prime Minister there was a difficult


moment when she appeared not to know that they had been recent reports


that the UK has given aid money to North Korea. A more versatile Prime


Minister would have said, we give money to people in need, we don't


give it to regimes. Nick, who was your sense, I know you have


clarified that they didn't actually meet, but was there in winner from


tonight? Well, Theresa May entered this performance having struggled in


this campaign. Jeremy Corbyn came to York tonight having had a very good


few weeks. I would say, against that background, the Prime Minister


performed considerably above expectations. There was a difficult


moment for Jeremy Corbyn when he was asked, would he specifically condemn


IRA terrorism? He couldn't do that and he said that he condemned all


acts of terrorism. But there was one interesting unifying theme. Both


leaders came under questions in their core areas and absolutely


stuck to their positions. For Theresa May, there was a difficult


emotional moment when a nurse said to her, why is it right I have only


had a 1% pay rise, which is basically a pay cut? The Prime


Minister said, there is no magic money tree, we have difficult public


finances. Jeremy Corbyn faced difficult questions from a micro


businessman who employs just five people. Why should I face an


increase in Corporation Tax. Jeremy Corbyn said, I'm sure you'll


understand we need money for public services. The mood in the two camps,


the Corbyn camp very happy saying the Labour leader got across his


core message, the big message he got across with that Theresa May would


not debate with him. But I have seen some glum cabinet ministers this


week. But this evening I'm seeing some Borre happy Cabinet ministers.


One said to me, that was a slam dunk win for Theresa May. This was the


last debate and it will define the last few days. Our policy editor


Chris Cook has been taking a look at this debate. Here is his report.


Tonight is the final event in this debate series... May


versus Corbyn. Well, not really. It was May and then Corbyn. The Prime


Minister insisted that they appear separately. And you can see some of


her logic. She used the opportunity to kick lumps out of her opponents


when they couldn't retort. You have Diane Abbott who can't add up


sitting around the Cabinet table. John McDonnell, who is a Marxist.


Nicola Sturgeon, who wants to break our country up. And Tim Farron who


wants to bring us back into the EU, the direct opposite of what the


British people want. The audience though gave her a pretty rough time.


Refusing to answer people's questions, refusing to talk to


Jeremy Corbyn. A Prime Minister and potential future Prime Minister


doesn't understand the difference between a learning disability and


the mental health condition. I had called an election... For the good


of the Conservative Party, you have called a general election for the


good of the Conservative Party and it will backfire on you. Including


an Brexit. Do you really think you have any real leveraged with


Brussels? An area where she has a rather well drilled response. I


think we can negotiate a good deal, because a good deal in trade terms


is not just of benefit to the UK, it is of benefit to businesses in the


remaining countries in the European Union. Social care was where Mrs May


had her weakest section. She pretended there hadn't been a U-turn


involved in announcing a cap on social care costs. I heard the


scaremongering that came out after our manifesto was published. And I


set out one of the details, the aspects that would have been in the


consultation, which is about having a cap on the absolute level. There


is a flaw of ?100,000, you can protect 100000 and we will consult


on watch and by the cap. This killer question was one she could not give


a meaningful answer. You can tell us what the floor is now. Why can't you


tell us the cap? APPLAUSE


There was a run of concerns about austerity too, including mental


health, schools bending and public sector pay. I've been working as a


nurse for 26 years. Do the Tories expect our support in light of the


1% pay increase? That is where Mr Corbyn was most comfortable, making


a clear defence of a bigger state. We are asking the very biggest


corporations to pay a bit more. But I'll cull you what, I think it's


worth it. It's worth it so that any young person can go to university


and not leave with debt, to make sure that school head teachers do


not have to collect at the school gate in order to pay the teachers'


salaries. Mr Corbyn, who started out pretty relaxed, lost his ribbon


after being pressed several times on whether he would use our nuclear


deterrent if we were attacked. The reality is that we have to obviously


try to protect ourselves. We would not use it as first use. And, if we


did use it, millions are going to die. You have to think this drink


through. APPLAUSE


-- you have to think this thing through. Would you use it as second


use, or would you allow North Korea or some idiot in Iran to bomb us and


then say, oh, we'd better start talking. You'd be too late! He was


also pressed on his 1980s contact with Irish republicans. There has to


be a coming together at some point. You were talking to them, they were


killing women and children and you were talking to them. There has to


be... Well, I was talking to representatives of the republican


movement, yes. Actually, so was the Government at the same time. So this


debate can tell us a lot we didn't know. These two politicians have


vulnerabilities. But by now, that's hardly a surprise. That was Chris


Cook. Joining me now from York,


Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson. Foreign Secretary, thank you for


joining us. We're used to hearing strong


and stable from Theresa May. Well, I think... She spoke for


herself. She gave a commanding performance, and it came across


very, very clearly that she's in well Min Lee the best candidate to


be Prime Minister on Friday of next week -- overwhelmingly. Strong and


stable was how she wanted to be seen. She emanated both virtues. Her


answers were clear, they were concise. She got through a lot of


them. Yes, she had some tough questioning, but I think when you


contrast Jeremy Corbyn's performance and his... The difficulty he had


with some pretty elementary questions about the defence of this


country, about the Brexit negotiations... Let's talk about


her. The audience didn't see strong and stable tonight, did they? They


said she wobbled and backtracked, her so will their words, not mine.


On social care, she still hasn't been able to admit that it was a


U-turn. She talks about wanting to be honest but you can't admit that


the cap on social care was something she thinks has now got wrong and she


changed her mind. That's not strong and stable at all. On the contrary,


I think she gave a very full answer to the whole question of social


care, and she spelt out once again this is to stop people having to go


through the agony of selling their homes to pay the care whilst they


are alive whilst raising the threshold to ?100,000 so that you


can pass on when you die. Yes, we are going to consult on the cap.


There are difficulties with the cap being regressive, as she explained


very clearly. I think the audience got that, and it was actually a


useful exchange. But when you came to Jeremy Corbyn on the defence of


our country. I mean, we've invested ?31 billion in the Trident... We


will be talking about Labour, Jeremy Corbyn and Trident, I assure you...


But we are talking about the Conservatives' message tonight,


which is her message is about hard-working families, Foreign


Secretary, that is something we have heard all the way through. She wants


to talk to hard-working families. We heard tonight in the and say to her


that she is earning the same money that she was in 2009. Theresa May


said, there no magic money tree. That's pretty condescending, isn't


it, for somebody who has seen 14% less money in real terms, that's


what she said tonight. No, what you pointed out, we have already spent


half ?1 trillion on the NHS. She was talking to a nurse who hasn't seen


her salary go up in real terms since 2009. I understand, nobody minimises


the difficulties that are facing. As Theresa May is just said, we have to


be prudent public expenditure. It is the cause of that that we can put ?8


billion into the NHS to continue to improve that great service -- it is


because of that. You can only do that if you have a strong economy. I


know you don't want me to talk about the policies of the Labour Party...


When -- if I can... To condescend to a guy who was running a small


business and want to whack up his taxes with no understanding of the


damage that does to the productivity of the UK economy, the ability of


our economy to generate the tax revenue that we need to pay for the


NHS and other public services. You can confirm what Michael Fallon told


the Telegraph, there will be no increase in in contact under this


Conservative parliament if you win. Is that correct -- in income tax. We


have already taken 4 million of the lowest paid out of tax. No increase


in income tax, is that what you will pledge? We will bear down on


taxation, we have no plans to raise income tax. Note signs for the high


earners, you have just talk to me about being prudent and having to


make choices and not paying in nurse more than 1%, so there will be no


increase in income tax, even for high earners, write? Our plans are


to cut taxes. Flavour's plans are to put them up. And to keep putting


them up -- Labour's plans. Funding unnecessary things such as


renationalising the utilities on the railways. And necessary things like


a nurse's wagers. A colossal expense. It's by having a strong


economy, by believing in this country and getting the right Brexit


deal above all that we will have the revenues, we will have the tax


revenues we need to pay for great public services. Let's get onto


foreign affairs. It's lovely to have the Foreign Secretary here. In the


last 24 hours, Donald Trump has walked away from the most


significant global deal to save the planet. And the best we have heard


from Theresa May is that it is disappointing. That sounds like what


you'd say when a souffle doesn't make it!


Everyone remembers that Bill Clinton, who was much loved by the


liberal left and all the rest of it, did not ratify the Kyoto protocol,


and yet America has met its obligations there. Let's see what


Donald Trump does before we waive our finger at him and accused him of


things. I think it would be better, as I said to Rex Tillerson and all


our counterparts across Government in America, that it would have been


much better to go with the original thing. But it didn't work. He made a


clear commitment to his electorate before the American election that he


would do just this. And the best special relationship can say is


disappointing. We can work to reduce CO2. Huge steps have been


accomplished at on both sides of the Atlantic to do this. We have reduced


it and so have the Americans. Fried didn't Britain partake in the joint


letter? As you heard the Prime Minister say very well, she doesn't


have to tag along with a bunch of other signatories. Tag along? So we


are tagging along now, is it? She was talking to the Americans in a


way that those other leaders won't. She made her view clear. We are


going to work with the Americans nonetheless to continue to tackle


climate change, which is the right thing to do. You did mean the office


of Foreign Secretary. People are starting to talk about whether you


will keep your job after the election, and when you talk about


tagging along with foreign leaders, it just demeans your office. I


simply fail to understand what you're saying. It is completely


right of the Prime Minister to ring up the American president to express


the position of the British Government in terms that I think


were loud and clear. Our job, unlike Jeremy Corbyn, the most


anti-American leader of the Labour Party I can remember, we have


considerable ability to help the Americans. Do you think people who


criticise Donald Trump are just whingeing? I will give some


examples, if I may. One of them is obviously over the air run deal,


which Jeremy Corbyn alluded to several times. Britain has worked


with the Americans so they haven't scrapped the Iran nuclear deal,


which had been a risk. We are working with them on their policy


for the Middle East peace process, where Donald Trump has shown great


interest. If you look at the actions of America in Syria, their treatment


of Russia, they are far more proactive now in dealing with the


atrocities being committed by Assad. And that is very much, I believe,


thanks to the intercessions of the UK Government and a powerful


relationship that has been developed between us. Theresa May did not back


you at the time. We haven't had any such requests, and all I can say is


that on the two occasions when the Americans have taken action, I think


they had a material impact on the calculations of the Russians and of


the Assad regime. Do you think you will be in a job next week? That is


something that the Obama administration absolutely failed to


do, and I think part of that success is thanks to UK diplomacy. As for


your questions about the job that I may have. I want, if at all


possible, to be the MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip. Equally important


is that we get the right person leading our Brexit negotiations, and


tonight, it was absolutely clear to me that there is only one person who


can conceivably do this, the division and firmness of purpose,


and that is Theresa May. Thank you very much. I don't agree with -- I


don't disagree with the analysis that this was a heavy victory for


her tonight. Thanks for your time. Following Theresa May came Jeremy


Corbyn. He faced questions from the audience, from the hosts, David


Dimbleby. We are joined by Ian Lavery, Labour's national elections


and campaign coordinator. He can miraculously join us where you might


have seen Boris Johnson a few seconds ago. A lot of this, as you


heard from the Foreign Secretary and the audience tonight, came down to


that one question - security. Everything to Jeremy Corbyn tonight


centred on whether the public and the audience trust him with the


nation's security. I think Jeremy answered very sincerely and honestly


tonight, as always. I thought it was a tremendous performance. He stood


there, took the questions, answered every single one, unlike Theresa


May, who has had a disastrous campaign. And what you have just


seen there before is a job interview by Boris Johnson, very intriguing


stuff. Jeremy Corbyn performed exceptionally well tonight. The


trouble is, though, the same questions have plagued him right the


way through this campaign, and it wasn't from journalists tonight,


from the BBC and the media, but from members of the public, and it


suggests that there is baggage that surrounds him, questions about his


relationship to terrorism, to the IRA, to nuclear weapons. You can't


get past that, can you? Jeremy Bowen sub that fully tonight. He said, for


example, that for many years, the only way to ensure that we have


resolutions to conflicts across the globe would be to have constructive


dialogue, discussions. At times, it's not very favourable. At times,


you might have to speak to people who you really don't want to. And


Jeremy explained that. With regard to the IRA, he explained that he


spoke to people from across the piece, nationalists and unionists.


Look at the solution we've got, we got the Good Friday agreement,


peace, and that is because Jeremy and his like think it is right to


consult with people across the piece. Jeremy Corbyn didn't take


part in the peace process. He didn't call the IRA terrorists. He could


have shut that down, and he could have said what he would do with the


nuclear button and a second response. He didn't. I'm not


suggesting for one minute that Jeremy Corbyn took part in any


discussions. What he did say was that at the time when he was


discussing with all parts of the community in Northern Ireland, that


the Government were doing that at the same time, Margaret Thatcher's


Government, which was interesting. They were right at the time, because


what we want to see what we have now is a peaceful solution to the


situation in Northern Ireland. Surely, that is what we all want.


Would you accept that until Jeremy Corbyn can make those sorts of


questions go away from members of the public that were facing into


night, from people watching at home and thinking the same thing is, that


he cannot be trusted with the nation's security? Jeremy Corbyn be


trusted with national security. That isn't in any doubt, and he explained


that tonight, very clearly, that he takes the national security of this


country extremely seriously. One of the differences between Jeremy and


the Conservatives is that Jeremy believes in preventing further


conflict, in discussion and negotiation with countries across


the globe. He doesn't want to wait until the final seconds to run and


press a button that perhaps could incinerate millions of human beings.


I think that's sensible and I think that's what people want - dialogue,


discussion, honesty, sincerity, agreement that this will never, ever


happen. We don't want people running towards the button and trying to get


there before each other to kill off the human race. It's absurd. Ian


Lavery, thank you very much indeed. Meanwhile, at the end of what has


probably felt like a long week for Theresa May,


we heard that a Conservative candidate is facing charges over his


2015 general election expenses. Craig Mackinlay says


he's done nothing wrong, and will continue to fight to be


re-elected next week with The Crown Prosecution Service says


it's charged Mr Mackinlay, who defeated Nigel Farage


in South Thanet in one of the constituency battles


of the night, with offences under the Representation


of the People Act. David Grossman has


been to South Thanet, Is this battlebus full


of Conservative activists visiting South Thanet in the 2015 general


election part of national It might seem like a dull question,


but the two are treated differently, Knowingly failing to declare


election spending correctly The then-victorious candidate,


Craig Mackinlay, has been charged with two offences relating


to election spending Also charged are his election


agent, Nathan Gray, and a party organiser,


Marion Little. Back in 2015, this was the front


line of the Conservatives' It was such a Ukip-supporting area


that Nigel Farage had chosen it The Tories thought if they could


beat him here, well, they could hold back the tide


of Ukip nationally. The defeated Ukip candidate in 2015


was out campaigning in Clacton today, chatting to journalists,


when an aide starts trying Right, that's big


news, OK, thank you. Well, effectively what it means


in that constituency is that, whilst his name will stay


on the ballot paper, I think the chances of people voting


for him are now very slim, so I think that constituency will be


a straight fight now between Ukip and the Labour Party,


and I will be there tomorrow afternoon giving a speech at 5pm


to support our candidate. And what do you think it means more


broadly in the context of seven days Well, once again it's bad


judgment from Theresa May. But why on Earth would you allow


someone to go ahead as a general election candidate when this cloud


was clearly hanging over him? In a statement today,


Mr Mackinlay said... On election night 2015,


I was staying at this hotel in Ramsgate, ready to cover


the count the next morning, when who should I bump into,


also staying here, but a very senior party worker from


Conservative Central Office. Just keeping an eye on things,


was the casual reply. It turned out that a whole team


of Conservative Party workers had been staying here and at another


hotel off and on throughout They racked up hotel bills


of thousands of pounds, But should the money have


been declared as local If so, it would have


taken his spending well South Thanet was the last


remaining open investigation Last month, the CPS decided


against charging more than a dozen other candidates


over similar allegations. In a statement today,


the Conservative Party said they were confident that


Mr Mackinlay would be cleared, meanwhile criticising


what they called fragmented, Well, the Conservative Party


continues to believe that these Craig Mackinlay is innocent


until proven guilty, Mr Mackinlay, along with Nathan Gray


and Marion Little, will appear We return to the issue of climate


change. So, in the absence of America,


it was China and Europe who came together and pledged to unite


to save the planet - a sight few would have


predicted five years ago. Preisdent Trump announced his


withdrawal on Thursday, saying he believed that


to participate in the pact would be to undermine the US economy,


wipe out jobs, and put his country Is that how the rest


of the world sees it? Joining me now is Todd Stern,


former advisor on Climate Change to President Obama,


who was the United State's Chief Negotiator on the 2015


Paris Climate Agreement. Thanks very much, Emily, it's a


pleasure to be here. Look, I think this is a terrible decision. It's


bad for the United States in all sorts of ways. It's bad for the


world and battle climate change. It's also a big diplomatic hit by


the United States. In diplomacy, a country's reputation and standing


and credibility matter above all. What the rest of the world is going


to see here is that the United States has given them a slap in the


face. The drug administration, President Trump, has given -- the


Trump administration. It took years of work to get this deal gone. It is


a balanced, fair and universal agreement, the first time a real,


durable, effective climate agreement has been established after all these


years of trying. I see no legitimate case for having pulled out. It's


going to be quite damaging for the US. Boris Johnson a moment ago said


that Bill Clinton never ratified Kyodo. Is that an equitable


arrangement? -- Kyodo. I did hear that, and there is no legitimate


comparison there. There is not a question of whether Bill Clinton,


who I worked for, by the way, ratified the agreement. The


agreement had a structure and a formation that had in reality no


chance of getting ratified in the US Senate, that was too bad, we wanted


it to happen but it just wasn't going to happen and it wasn't


because President Clinton didn't try. Do you think China is taking


the place of America? Is it emerging as the saviour of the planet? Well,


I don't think China is the saviour of the planet but I will say that


I'm glad that China is making clear that they intend to stay in the


agreement and to continue with their pledges. That's important. Obviously


the US and China together, the work that we did together, the diplomacy


was enormously important to getting the agreement done. And it's a good


thing that China wants to stay in. It's going to be also I think


enormously important that Europe, including the UK, step up and play a


leadership role. And many other countries around the world. So I


wouldn't at all look at China as a saviour, that would be a real


mistake. But China is an important player. There are many other


important players. China, as the world's largest emitter at this


point by far, obviously has a responsibility, and I'm glad to hear


that President Xi Jinping seems to be saying that they intend to meet


that responsibility. Todd Stern, thank you very much for joining us.


Back to the election now, and our regular Friday panel.


Paul Mason - Corbyn supporter and journalist.


And Polly Mackenzie - former advisor to Nick Clegg.


Very nice to see you all. A quick run through, who do you think one


that debate? Where their winners and losers for you, Paul? I'm going to


say this, you have been very good at not being to tribal up to this


point! I have great hopes for honesty... I think what was wrong


with that debate is that at this stage in the game we need expert


people quizzing both sides. Hugh won was the politicians because they


were not expertly quizzed. Neither of them was pushed to the limits of


where their positions are because the audience... I think they were


coming from an emotional position, which is where many voters come


from. On things like nuclear, tonight this is the issue that


Labour spin doctors want to avoid, I want to hit it head-on. The position


is clear. No first use is incredibly new and innovative for the British


nuclear military establishment, and yet nobody in the audience seemed to


pick it up. I'm concerned that the quality of democracy we are going to


get at the end of this election is one where, you know, two completely


different politicians have really fail to be quizzed expertly in the


weight that... That is very brave, saying the audience asked the wrong


questions. When they are quizzed expertly, Corbyn supporters go on


Twitter and troll them and call them Zionists asking hard questions.


Obviously is wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that we need


to know now, what is the cap? It was said again and again, what is the


cap on how much savings you lose from the dementia tax? We don't


know. Polly, let me come to you. What did you feel? This was about


the warmth at an audience has for whoever is on the stage, Hugh won


that? I think Theresa May was better than she has been. She has had a


wobble for the last ten days, but it feels like she's back on track, as


good as she could be. You do have to have different phases. Andrew Neil


taking people to pieces, but also people who can relate to human


beings. Both of them were better than you would have expected on


that. Politicians get found out when they are asked questions by real


people, I see that every day on my radio show. It is the real voters,


when they ask questions, politicians are sometimes like goldfish. We saw


that tonight with Jeremy Corbyn. This was an important event, it had


the highest audience of any interview programme so far, and I'm


afraid, Paul, that Jeremy Corbyn was found out tonight. His remarks on


terrorism, he could not bring himself to condemn the IRA. He


condemned them. No, he didn't. On nuclear defence... This man is not


fit... I don't want to rerun the debate. What I do want to say is, at


the end of the week when we have seen an extraordinary diversity of


polls in the way that we have and the two years or whatever, where


would you put your number is now? If I come to you for maps, and I know


you do this anyway as a hobby, you are going for a Tory majority, still


worse plot yes, I am. Theresa May has had a bad week, let nobody


denies that. Tonight she came out fighting. Any floating voter who


watched that will have been more impressed by Theresa May than they


thought they would be. In terms of numbers, at the start of this


campaign I predicted a Tory majority of 74. Then I went through all of


the constituencies on the basis of the opinion poll lead, I came out


with a majority of 130, that has role so much rolled back, it will


not be that high. But I still expect a landslide. About 100? 80 to 100. I


think Iain is better as a detailed numbers, but the Tories will win


this. 50, 75, whatever it is. What is depressing for me is that neither


Theresa May more Jeremy Corbyn were particularly strong. They both have


big areas of weakness. Stronger than Tim Farron! Nick Clegg is worried


about his seat tonight, is that right? People said that Sheffield


Hallam was going to be lost, but Nick won with a substantial


majority. Is it conceivable that the Lib Dems could go back with this


time? At elections, anything is conceivable. People pledged to eat


their hats and look like idiots, or run down the street naked! Of


course, anything is plausible. Like my promise in 2010! All that I can


do is leave the range of polls, the maximum that Theresa May is going to


get is ten extra seats, I would have thought. Seriously?! I hope there is


money on this afterwards! Paul, in Corbyn HQ, can I just ask you, are


they preparing for the possibility of it hung parliament or a wind.


They are preparing for a possibility of a hung parliament or a win.


People were talking about the Northern Irish, Welsh and Scottish


governments on Brexit. They were not at the beginning of this, write?


Absolutely not. Go back and look at the polls. The Rangers from a small


Tory majority through to a hung parliament through to a minority...


They are ahead, aren't they? I spent the whole of the 2050 election


campaign preparing for it hung parliament. Wishing it is going to


happen doesn't actually make it happen! You are believing the polls


that you want to believe, not the majority. Labour very concerned


about the turnout. On a high turnout of young people... And you have to


get young people out, young people to put their money where their mouth


is. If they don't vote Labour, it is ?9,000 on your university fees from


September. He is also saying that students who have already gone


through the University going to have their money refunded, this is


fantasy politics. This feels like a personality race. The more people


have seen of Jeremy Corbyn, it seems the more they have warmed to him.


The more they have seen of Theresa May the less they have want to hurt.


I generally believe tonight was a turning point -- the less they have


warmed to her. I think you should apologise to what you said, the


Trump playbook. Your side is calling my Vida terrorist. We have


questioned... -- might lead a terrorist. Would you like to


apologise for that? It is out of the Trump playbook. He is terrified of


debating. It is legitimate to ask, where is she? You questioned her


health, you should be ashamed of yourself. Do you think any of this


cuts through? Some of it does. Reinforcing what we heard earlier,


they all still feel the same. The policies are incredibly diverging in


this election in the way that they haven't been recently. But you still


get the sense that all of the politicians are kind of mediocre.


Who do you think has played dirty? On, everybody. Do you? The future of


the country is at stake. The other side is actually saying that Labour


and the millions of people who support it or in some ways tainted


by terrorism... Absolutely. Jeremy Corbyn has supported the IRA. You


are digging the grave of consensus politics in this country. Labour


supports the rule of law, anti-terrorist... I'm so sorry, we


need to get to Steve Smith, he is on his bus. We need to go on.


Finally... We will come back to Diane Abbott next week.


Imagine the scene: A snap election is called, the Newsnight office


From this creative huddle, a germ - in fact, lots of germs,


A vision of red: A bus, a battle bus, with Stephen Smith on board,


visiting constituencies that have been craving some election glamour -


Tonight we bring you the last excursion.


Welcome to our popular and acclaimed general election


And if you can see this, it means we've had a second


Let me refresh your memory about our high-quality format.


We're attempting to sprinkle some election razzmatazz on the places


Too rock-solid for them to rock up to in their wheels.


We've come to the great city of Liverpool on our magical mystery


tour, to another constituency that doesn't tend to see a lot in the way


Liverpool's Fab Four constituencies are considered to be among


We're in Walton, where the party romped home at the last election


This constituency is so red that the Conservative candidate


Walton's only a few square miles in size -


all too easy for our charabanc to stray across the


Looks like this bus is not returning.


So why is it that election fun and games generally pass Walton by?


If only there was a numbers-savvy prodigy to give this vehicle


It's only Newsnight's Chris Cook, the Kitt to our Knight Rider,


Liverpool Walton, it's fair to say, is a 1-party Labour seat.


It's one of only five constituencies in Britain where the second-place


party got no more than 10% of the vote.


If the other parties last time around had been


interested in fighting here, they could each have spent ?12,000


But, in practice, the Conservatives, Ukip and the Liberal Democrats


all together combined spent only ?3000 on their campaign here.


It's really not a seat where the result is in question.


After all these years, some facts in one of my investigative reports.


So, do the folk here feel they've been taken for granted?


Where better to take our bus to meet voters than the colourful bus stops


How are you enjoying the election so far?


How many of these battle buses have you seen so far?


They only come when they really need you, don't they?


It's pretty rock-solid, this seat, isn't it?


If that is the problem, once they know they've got a safe


Do you think it would help if you saw more of the party


I sometimes feel like my MPs aren't always visible


You sound like you take quite an interest in it, is that right?


Because, I mean, it's affecting our future.


We've had such a turbulent year for politics, haven't we,


I hope your real bus comes along soon!


You wait all Newsnight for a bus, and then two come along at once.


Oh, it's one of those natty convertible numbers.


Would you swap your Liverpool tour bus for our Newsnight battlebus?


Newsnight battlebus, come and have a chat about the election!


This is Steven Smith with the number one tour bus in Liverpool.


He is in Bristol with a full programme then.


With Emily Maitlis. Analysis of the May and Corbyn Question Time with Boris Johnson. Plus Conservative MP in Thanet is charged over expenses and Obama's climate envoy on the Paris Accord.

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