30/06/2017 Newsnight


30/06/2017

Pakistani student murdered in the name of the blasphemy laws, latest on the Grenfell Tower fire and Jon Ronson on his latest offering, Okja.


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A brilliant student in Pakistan is brutally murdered in the name

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The mob think he is a blasphemer. This is where he tried to hide from

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the mob. They found him here. They kicked him, beat him, hit him with

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sticks and shot him. and how British Imams should be

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responding. I've therefore decided to step down

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as leader of the council. It's ridiculous he thought he could

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hang on. It's really great. Kensington and Chelsea

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council leader steps down We speak to Jon Ronson,

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co writer of Okja, the latest film to confront our

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insatiable carnivorous habits. Good evening, first, more on the

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controversy over lading and buildings razed by the Grenfell

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Tower tragedy. Newsnight discovered crucial details about why so many

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about buildings managed to get cladding installed that does not

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meet normal safety standards. Chris, what have you found out this

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evening. We have to take a step back to

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remember how you get cladding signed off by the building inspectors. The

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first way is to test all of the parts of the cladding you wish to

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put up in a laboratory and check it is basically impossible to set on

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fire. The second thing you can do, we have a video showing it, is if

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you want to use a bit of material that is a little flammable, is you

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can put that material into a furnish arcs effectively, in the

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configuration you want to use it to see if it holds up. But there are

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other routes, one is a desktop test. You say, you have done a proper fire

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test in a laboratory, I want to do something similar to that, so I'll

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get an engineer to say what you are proposing is the same as that over

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there. What we discovered over the last few weeks is that the desktop

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tests are used more widely than anyone respectable or responsible

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thought and there are serious problems with the quality. We think

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they are widespread. We have managed to get hol of a couple of things

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that are secretive. These are documents. We managed to get hold of

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two produced by a company. They relate to using combustible

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insulation like a Grenfell Tower with aluminium composite panels on

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the outside like the Grenfell Tower. They relate to quality like Grenfell

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but the same sort of design. The thing about the panels, is that they

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behave oddly in a fire. It is two bits of aluminium around the core of

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a substance. Some have plastic inside? Some do.

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In the fire the aluminium can expose what is on the inside. So in a fire

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that is dangerous. So aluminium combustible panels behave in an

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unusual way. We have two of the examples and a quote here. It shows

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that they say, they believe that the panels, if tested would believe the

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same as a test that they conducted with ceramic tiles. They do not

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behave in a fire in a similar way to ceramic tiles. The documents are

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handed over to a building inspector, and on the basis of them say that

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you have done the work, tick. We know that for example, this research

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was used in Portsmouth in Unite student accommodation. This is

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justifying stuff going on this buildings. We spoke to people who

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did not believe that this was being used. But this is how some of this

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stuff is on the buildings. What are the implications tonight?

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We have to say that the Unite students who own that building in

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Portsmouth says it has a large number of fire safety measures, they

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were open with us, doing routine fire testing and taking up the

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Government's offer much the free testing of the cladding. They were

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open with us. Kingspan, they paid for the reports, they make the

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insulation, they paid the engineers to produce the reports so that the

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insulation is used in the context. And said that they always get this

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from the UK's most respected fire inspecting consultancis, and they

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are confident that they are not compromised.

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But another company, refused to comment throughout on the basis of

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client confidentiality. We have some of the reports but they are yet to

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respond for comment. Keep going. Thank you, Chris.

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The brutal killing in Pakistan of Mashal Kahn exposes deep

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divisions in the country, and puts pressure on British Imams

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to distance themselves from the country's blasphemy laws,

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and the way they are used to legitimise violence.

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A brilliant student, Mashal, was brutally murdered by a mob

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on a university campus in Pakistan earlier this year after he was

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The killing has caused widespread outrage and has even led to calls

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to change the country's strict blasphemy laws.

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A horrific lynching captured on camera on a university campus.

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The mob, though, think he's a blasphemer.

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This was Mashal Khan's room, where he tried to hide from the mob.

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They kicked him, they beat him, they hit him with sticks

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The issue of blasphemy has long divided Pakistani society.

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And some hope this case could finally lead to some reform.

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But others are deadly opposed to that.

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This is the village of Zaida in Pakistan's northern

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And it's where his family still live.

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Mashal was an outstanding journalism student with an interest

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Abdul Wali Khan University is one of Pakistan's newest institutions,

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with a student population of over 12,000.

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It is just an hour's drive away from Mashal's village.

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The campus has been closed since Mashal's murder.

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Over there, that building is the Department of Journalism

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Over there is the hostel that he lived in and it is where he died.

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This is him alongside Abdullah, who had also been

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accused of blasphemy, and another journalism student.

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Mashal would debate with more conservative students.

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He described himself as a Muslim but also as a liberal.

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Over time, debates turned to threats.

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He used to discuss with religious fanatics.

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He knew that but he used to discuss these things.

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He was accused of being an atheist agnostic.

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Blasphemy allegations are often used in Pakistan as a way

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Mashal's father believes this video of him criticising alleged

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corruption in the university a few days before his death led

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Police have also collected evidence suggesting student politicians,

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jealous of Mashal's influence, wanted him out of the university.

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It is hard to know what of that is true.

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What we do know is that most of those who took part

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in the violence did believe Mashal was a blasphemer.

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I think at one time the notion was, that if somebody wanted

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to get somebody killed, they will go hire what are known

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He will either be killed or forced to leave the country.

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The day of the lynching, it seems, began like any other.

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Mashal apparently had no idea what was about to happen.

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A group of students demanded to see the lecturers,

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accusing Mashal and two of his friends of having

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As the mob continued to grow, Mashal was frantically

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"They are falsely saying I insulted the Prophet".

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His friend replies, "Mashal, where are you?"

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Then the mob made their way to Mashal's hostel.

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There, they found him hiding in his room on the second floor.

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I came here the day after the murders.

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Now, over a month, and nothing has changed.

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These are the bloodstains where it seems the authorities think

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that Mashal was lined up against the wall and shot.

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At least two eyewitnesses that I have spoken to say that

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after he was shot he was still alive and they tried to carry his body

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To try to get him some help because after the shots rang out,

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the mob dispersed and they were able to try and rescue him.

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But when they got to the bottom of these stairs, the mob had

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reassembled and they managed to grab his body back.

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From this point, Mashal's last moments are captured

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His fellow students beat him as he lay dying.

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The videos were instantly shared across Pakistan.

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Mashal was eventually dragged outside.

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Even long after he was dead, they continued beating his body.

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Police were present but were either unable or unwilling to stop them.

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Dozens of Mashal's fellow students who appeared in the videos

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Some were members of religious student organisations.

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I wanted to understand what was behind their brutality.

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Wajahat is not accused of having beaten Mashal but of helping incite

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the attacks by accusing him of blasphemy in front

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We have got hold of a letter written by Wajahat to a number of religious

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scholars he is effectively encouraging to support

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And in it, he goes into a lot more detail about the alleged blasphemy

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He talks about one conversation in particular that he had

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with Mashal about Adam and Eve in which Mashal is saying,

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why is incest forbidden in Islam if Adam and Eve's children

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would have had incestuous relationships with each other

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Mashal's killers have their sympathisers.

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This was a rally just weeks after the murder,

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It was addressed by a number of former MPs, including this man,

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a leading local figure in an Islamist party.

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Whatever he might, or is alleged to have said, nothing can justify

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killing someone, and especially not in that way.

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After the death, the family are hosting a memorial.

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40 days after Mashal's death, the family are hosting

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A rally this large in support of someone accused of blasphemy

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Most Pakistanis, religious or not, are sympathetic to Mashal's case,

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But none of the political parties are seriously talking

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about reforming the blasphemy law because of the resistance

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Unlike extremist groups such as the Taliban, the law does have deep

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support in many quarters. the law does have deep support

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in many quarters. Mashal's family are torn

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between hoping that his death could lead to a more open,

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tolerant society and worrying alleged failings by the police

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and the university could be covered You can see a longer version

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of Secunder Kermani's film on Our World on the BBC

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News Channel at 9.30pm on Sunday night and,

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of course, on the iPlayer. We're joined by Haras Rafiq,

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who is the chief executive of the counter-extremism

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organisation Quilliam International. What is your reaction to that film

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and what happened? I have seen some of this before and this is the tip

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of the iceberg, since 1987 thousands of people have been accused of

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blasphemy and charged and at least 65 of them have not made it to

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court. In the case of accusing someone of blasphemy, has that been

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a cover in many ways to attack them? Obviously lynching is not allowed

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but has that been a copper because he expressed left-wing views or is

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it a straight blasphemy accusation? Will not, if you look at the

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blasphemy laws, at some stage you do not need witnesses. At the top end,

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the long sentences somebody to death, then you need witnesses and

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what we have seen is instances where people have used it to settle scores

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but more than that, there has been a deep sanitisation of the normally

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very tolerant versions of Islam and people are believing that the law

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gives them the opportunity to behave that way. How does that correspond

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to attitudes here and what the imams are saying here? This is the most

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recent one and there was a case before this were a politician was

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actually killed for daring to challenge reform of the blasphemy

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law, killed by his bodyguard, who was from the moderate tradition.

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Moderate yet Conservative, moderate in every other way when it comes to

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Islamist and terrorism but on this issue, very focused on the blasphemy

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law and when his killer was sentenced, he was praised, the

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killer was praised here in some of the largest mosques in the country.

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Are you suggesting that there would be a situation where what happened

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to Mashal would be condoned here? It was, the killing of somebody because

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they dare to challenge blasphemy laws was condoned and by imams...

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Interestingly, some imams will be very vociferous about this but do

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you think that people still fear speaking out, even to say that

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blasphemy law should be changed? We have been talking about repealing

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the blasphemy law in Pakistan because it is not fit for purpose,

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it is not Islamic, it was brought there by the British Empire. Why is

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it so important for people here to relate to the blasphemy law? If you

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look at the last census, nearly 69% of Muslims in this country, from the

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Indian Pakistani and Bangladeshi region and the overwhelming majority

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come from Pakistan, they control the imams, who have been supporting the

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blasphemy law there and the killers still control a lot of mosques in

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this country and the largest mosque outside London was actually

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supporting the killer of Salman Taseer publicly. What should be

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done? You are in organisation trying to stop radicalisation of you

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suggest there is no appetite amongst imams to speak out? The problem is

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not the appetite, it can be dangerous. If you look at before

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Finsbury Park, the last three high-profile killings in this

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country were done by other Muslims because you were considered

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non-Muslim enough, Glasgow, Rochdale and London. It can be dangerous as

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well but above that, there is a tradition, but I come from, where

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the majority of Muslims in this country who want everything else are

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moderate but on this issue still support the blasphemy law. We have

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no idea what the attitude is in the mosque you are talking about but

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thank you very much for joining us. It has taken pressure

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from Downing Street and nearly two weeks of condemnation but finally

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today the leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council has resigned

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over the Grenfell Tower tragedy. In a statement, Nicholas Paget-Brown

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said he accepted his share of responsibility for the perceived

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failings of the authority. The latest of those was his refusal

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to let the local residents and the press into a council

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meeting last night.... Then, when a court order

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overruled his decision, He has faced a barrage of criticism

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since the night of the fire, criticism which came from all sides,

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not least about the council's chaotic response and his refusal

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to admit they could not cope. I have to accept my share of

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responsibility for these perceived In particular, my decision to accept

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legal advice that I should not compromise the public enquiry

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by having an open discussion in public yesterday has itself

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become a political story. I therefore decided to step down

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as leader of the council. Almost immediately after

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Paget-Brown stepped down, the deputy leader of the council

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also resigned and, earlier today, Robert Black, the chief executive

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of the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Association, announced

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he was stepping aside from his role Pilgrim Tucker is a community

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organiser who is working Quite a lot of activity today but

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what difference will this make to residents? Hopefully, now that Mr

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Paget-Brown has gone and the Deputy Leader has gone, we can replace them

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with people who are competent and care about the residents. It is the

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case that Sadiq Khan is denied saying that the council should be

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set aside and new commissioners should be put in by the government,

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would the residents support that? I think trust in the Cabinet has gone,

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trust in the console and they were not confident in them years ago.

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They were complaining and trying to raise these this year's and the

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aftermath has been disastrous, as we can see, and new people need to be

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put in place. In terms of on the ground, a council workers augmented

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by central government civil servants, how either residents

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doing? Westminster is still struggling, there is a lack of

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communication, they are unclear about what is happening in the

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future to them regarding housing. They are still confused. Are they

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all highest? They are in temporary accommodation. -- highest. Hotels?

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Yes, but I know there are families in unsuitable accommodation,

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children sharing rooms with adults, in one room, and so on. You have

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worked with the residents would you talk about the fact that people

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actually have not been exercising their rights, is a feeling that in

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the past, although you have been pushing for the residents because

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they have serious concerns, that there is a feeling that the

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authorities seem to know best? Those residents really tried very hard to

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exercise their rights and that console, two of those councillors

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have stepped down, those councillors did not respond and would not

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listen. That is a big problem with democracy and accountability. And

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they listened more to the private sector. Do you think there is a

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democratic deficit, not least because you do not have the same

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system of local papers and so forth to dig stuff out? There is a

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democratic deficit, we also have this increasingly powerful private

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sector involved in local government. And councillors in this case wanted

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to listen to them but I think even in other areas of London, where

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councillors are trying to respond to residents, the private sector has

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too much power and we need to increase scrutiny and oversight and

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I think we need to diminish the role of the private sector in local

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government and increase regulation and start to appreciate the

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important things that the state and regulation can give us. That is the

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vehicle for us to have democracy. You talk about things that can

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change and it is often hard to see what good could come out of this

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dreadful tragedy but do you think there could be further re-engage

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meant in local politics and a different way of doing council

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activity? Hopefully people will recognise the importance of our

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local governing institutions and the importance of them really being

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responsive to the people who have elected those people, councillors,

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government, locally and nationally, have a duty of care, they command a

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lot of resources on our behalf and it is very important that they are

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responsive and this is a terribly horrible example, the build-up to

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this went on for years with people trying to get these people to

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listen. These people need to step down and the whole council needs to

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step down. What is important that the government must start listening

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to residents and the public enquiry. Before that, this new deadline for

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next week for people to get houses, what are the chances of not being

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met and what would happen if it is not met? I think the only thing they

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have assured us is more temporary accommodation so I think there are a

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lot of promises which are not being met and fluffy statements which are

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temporary buffers to keep people happy for now. And the really

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important thing is, like the residents have said so very clearly

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to politicians, be honest with us, treat us with the intelligence and

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respect that we deserve and most important is the public enquiry. Do

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not give us false promises, we are intelligent people and we will hold

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you accountable. Thank you very much indeed.

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The plight of animals bred and either paraded as entertainment

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or slaughtered for the delectation of humans has long been fertile

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territory for Hollywood, from Charlotte's Web to Babe

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But the latest feature film to confront our insatiable

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carnivorous habits has been made not for the big screen but by Netflix

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for our tablets and iPads, and packs a much more visceral punch.

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I will be joined by the director in a moment but first, a club.

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Okja is the new film by Korean director Bong Joon-ho and stars

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an adorable giant pig-like creature called Okja and her even more

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beguiling friend, Mija, who grow up together

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But the big, bad American food corporation who created her

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I'm joined by the film's co-writer, Jon Ronson.

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Good evening. The film starts off very much as a lyrical fairy tale,

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incredibly soft, and then you get into a really visceral world where

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actually, a lot of dreadful things happen to this wonderful creature or

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potentially? Who is a film for? I think it is finding its audience,

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people are watching this and loving it, the director, Bong Joon-ho, is

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so great that he can do these crazy tonal shifts, sometimes it is like a

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children's movie, beguiling, like fable, and then becomes dark and

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upsetting and is appealing to all those people although it should not

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be watched by young children because it does get incredibly and dark

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later on. It does pack a punch. Is it a straightforward campaigning

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film or is it more nuanced about human feelings? It is not a

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campaigning film, what it is, most of all, I hope, is a beautiful film.

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It is enchanting and disturbing and dark and entertaining so I think we

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valued aesthetics over ideology. However, it is really dark and it

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ends up in a slaughterhouse for magical animals and as a

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consequence, a lot of people will become vegetarians! You say this is

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not a campaigning film but if you look at a number of other films,

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Hollywood movies, the inexorable drive is towards vegetarianism. Is

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that what you think is the message of the film? It is not the message

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of the film, it is the inevitable consequence. I guess one of the

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messages is about cognitive dissonance. We treat ourselves into

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believing that the meat that we eat has nothing to do with the pets that

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we love but we know that pigs are just as adorable and smart as dogs,

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so to eat the meat you need to see inside the slaughterhouse. What is

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so amazing about this film is the director has made the scenes inside

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the slaughterhouse which most other directors would make grotesque, he

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has made it haunting and beautiful. But it is absolutely visceral, we

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must not shy away from that. Much more so than any other of these

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Hollywood movies. Netflix has made this! What do you make of this? No

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one else would have. This is a $50 million movie, half of this is in

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Korea and it ends up in incredibly dark places and no studio would have

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allowed Bong Joon-ho to do this but Netflix did so and I think it is

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giving us freedom and money in a way that Hollywood has rarely done since

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the great days of early Martin Scorcese and Woody Allen, Bonnie and

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Clyde. This is a golden time. And anyway, this film celebrates direct

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action? Yes. We have an animal liberation front in this film but

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they are not entirely heroic, they are stupid at times and slapstick.

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One character is so determined not to leave our carbon footprint on the

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earth but he has given up eating entirely. There are very funny

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moments. Yes, so they are not entirely heroic. The bad people in

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this film are not entirely bad and the goodies are not entirely good.

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Like humans, there are grey areas. Thank you very much.

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But before we go, you won't have been able to visit

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a great maypole in London unless you were around in 1672.

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It was then that the capital's pole was blown away be a storm.

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Now a competition is underway to replace it

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If anyone is thinking of taking on the challenge -

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NEWSREEL: In this festive season, Coronation celebrations are the rage

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Here we are at Elstow Green, Bedfordshire, where Phyllis Izzard

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drives to her throne to be crowned May Queen while the people

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of the village turn out in force to attend this old English pastime

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The May Queen of 1935 is crowned by her predecessor from 1934.

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