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MUSIC: "A Shot In The Dark" - Henry Mancini | :00:15. | :01:43. | |
Could these emails change everything for Trump? | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Has the claim of collusion between his campaign | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
Also tonight, a Newsnight investigation reveals shocking high | :01:50. | :01:58. | |
For 90 hours I have received ?200, which is less than ?3 an hour. | :01:59. | :02:23. | |
The issue once again is claimed collusion between the Trump | :02:24. | :02:34. | |
The president and those around him have repeatedly denied knowledge | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
of any alleged attempt by Moscow to swing last autumn's election. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
But today, Donald Trump's son, Donald Junior, was forced to release | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
a string of emails suggesting he knowingly met last summer | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
with Russian officials who promised to dish dirt on Hillary Clinton. | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
Today, Democratic Senator Tim Kaine - Mrs Clinton's running mate - | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
said, "in terms of what's being investigated, | :03:07. | :03:07. | |
this is moving into perjury, false statements and even | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
A former Watergate prosecutor described the emails | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
The president, meanwhile, defended his son as "a high quality | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
They only actually met last week but the exact relationship between | :03:23. | :03:36. | |
President Trump and his Russian counterpart is a constant theme | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
among critics. There were plenty of allegations but not much fact. Now, | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
details of a meeting between meeting Willett were members of the Trump | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
campaign and a Russian lawyer have changed that. The picture is rapidly | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
evolving, the President's son having to shift his position over the last | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
three days and the publication of fresh details of the meeting in June | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
last year by the New York Times prompted the President's eldest son | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
to release what he said was the entire e-mail chain. On the 3rd of | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
June, Rob Goldstone, a British publicist acting for Russian clients | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
told Mr Trump Junior that he could introduce him to someone who had | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
been briefed by the Russian authorities who... | :04:22. | :04:37. | |
The tycoon's son replied within minutes saying... | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
On the 7th of June, the date having been set for the meeting, Mr | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
Goldstone referred to the person coming over as ... Donald Trump Jr | :04:50. | :04:57. | |
replied that the meeting would take place at Trump Tower in New York. | :04:58. | :05:07. | |
In releasing the e-mails, Donald Trump Jr wrote that he was being | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
totally transparent and reiterated that the Russian lawyer, Natalia | :05:13. | :05:20. | |
Veselnitskaya,... Had no information to provide and wanted to talk about | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
adoption policy. Earlier today the lawyer insisted that she was never | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
in possession of information that could have damaged Hillary Clinton | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
but that Trump's people definitely wanted it. TRANSLATION: It's quite | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
possible that maybe they were looking for such information, they | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
wanted it so badly. Rob Goldstone has previously told the New York | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
Times that the meeting produced no new information. He has also | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
clarified that the lawyer was not a Kremlin official. The President's | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
legal team have said that he was not aware and did not attend the June | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
meeting. But the e-mail publication raises questions about the various | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
shifts in Donald Trump Jr's position on the meeting, from initially | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
denying he had anything -- he had -- it had anything to do with the | :06:15. | :06:16. | |
Hillary Clinton campaign. The BBC's Paul Wood has been | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
investigating President Trump's alleged links with Russia | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
since last summer. You come in on a day when you were | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
moving house, I think, so I assume you think this is areas? You | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
couldn't miss this, there have been many bad days for the club | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
administration on Russia and this is the worst, the most serious. First | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
principles, the US intelligence agencies and say that Russia | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
interfered in the US presidential election and did so to get Mr Trump | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
elected. The White House has always denied that narrative, a senior | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
official said that it was political, from the top of the agencies. I | :06:57. | :07:05. | |
think it will be difficult for the White House to keep to this line now | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
that we have Donald Trump Jr accenting a meeting on the basis | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
that it is the Russian government trying to hand over information -- | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
Axar Patel a meeting. Hundreds of FBI agents are looking at whether | :07:18. | :07:24. | |
the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian intelligence services, | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
specifically, according to members of the Obama administration who saw | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
the intelligence, it is alleged that members of the Trump campaign | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
directed the Kremlin to which Democratic party members to hack. | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
Looking at these e-mail exchanges that Donald Trump Jr published | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
today, the meeting was not about telling the Russians where to hack, | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
he was being offered official Russian information, damaging to | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
Hillary Clinton allegedly, but not the result of illegal actions on US | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
soil, according to those e-mails. That may not help him much, not | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
least because if you cast your mind back to the Christopher Steele | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
dossier, the former MI6 man who got things running with this report, he | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
said that there had been an eight year exchange of information between | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
Russia and the Trump campaign and this information fits into that. One | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
network anchor said today that it Donald Trump Jr wasn't colluding, | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
then he was collusion curious. You have given some hints about your | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
contact with people from the administration and we have seen a | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
tweet from the president saying, who wouldn't be interested in | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
information from the opposition? Is that the line they are going to | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
take? What is their strategy? I think they are in a panic. It was | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
telling that the White House press briefing wasn't on camera and the | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
spokesperson said, talk to the lawyers, when asked a question. | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
Telling that Donald Trump Jr changed his story. His explanation was | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
initially that he was meeting about Russian orphans being adopted by | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
American parents but when the New York Times had the e-mails, he went | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
public. I think you can see the white house falling back on the | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
naivete defence, we have heard this from their supporters in Congress, | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
saying that they were not involved in politics before, they did not | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
know what they were getting into, they did not realise that they were | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
breaking the law, that was the defence when Jared Kushner did not | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
mention a meeting with a Russian ambassador on his official forms. | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
Whether that works, remains to be seen. There is an investigation, | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
probably more to come out. Having spoken to three intelligence sources | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
who have seen classified intercepts they have said there is no specific | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
conversation speaking of a conspiracy but there are a number of | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
suspicious contacts and that is what this investigation will be looking | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
at. You can bet if the New York Times has the transcript then the | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
intelligence services have many more of them. This is the worst day so | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
far but I think there will be more bad days on Russia for the club | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
administration to come. Thank you, you'd better get back to your moving | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
-- for the Trump administration. Michael Wolff is writing a book | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
about President Donald He has been a critic of the liberal | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
media. I asked him what he made of the | :10:17. | :10:30. | |
latest chapter in the saga. This is a real one. We now have evidence, | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
and let's be very precise about what we do now know, we now know that the | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
Russian government reached out to embrace the Trump campaign and that | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
the Trump campaign was very willing to be embraced by the Russian | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
government. Now, there's no crime there that we know of yet but we | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
certainly are a big step forward that to the Stourton stands -- to | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
the circumstance in which there could be collusion in the commission | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
of a crime and that's in Portland because just to establish collusion, | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
as the Trump people are saying today, is not a crime -- that's | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
important because. What about electoral law, soliciting a foreign | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
contribution, doesn't that put Donald Trump Jr into difficult legal | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
waters? I think that's kind of a sideshow at this point. One of the | :11:34. | :11:42. | |
other aspects of this is going on is the media response to this, which is | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
a paroxysm of glee and delight and I told you so and "Game over". The | :11:49. | :11:56. | |
media has gone through this paroxysm many times before and if the media | :11:57. | :12:06. | |
has done anything on this story, it's gotten ahead of where the story | :12:07. | :12:16. | |
really is. So, this is... This has taken a clear step forward but it is | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
by no means where the media thinks it is or thinks it is where it | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
should be. People have obviously got carried away, we note Mr Trump has | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
plenty of enemies in the liberal media but you yourself, as someone | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
with very good... I would like to clarify that, everyone in De Lima | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
will -- everyone in the liberal media is a Trump any make -- is a | :12:46. | :12:53. | |
Trump enemy. This has not been judged by a court yet, there hasn't | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
been a real legal thrashing out of the issue but it is important and | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
quantitatively different. No, you have just taken a major leap beyond | :13:02. | :13:11. | |
what we know. It's not a question of a court. You couldn't at this point | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
say what crime may have been committed here. It looks terrible, | :13:19. | :13:27. | |
they associate with really a lot of dubious characters, it is Russia, | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
after all. I mean, the story couldn't sound, appear worse, but, | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
but, there is no nexus in which anyone can establish a crime. Just | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
taking dirt from the Russians on Hillary Clinton isn't a crime. | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
It's a benefit potentially under the law. No. If somebody's -- somebody | :13:54. | :14:04. | |
slipped you a little Mickey here. Forget the electoral laws, it is not | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
relevant. You have done bad research on this. You have good lines into | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
the Trump White House, you have good access. How obsessed do you think | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
the president has become with this issue? We heard reports at the time | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
of the James Comey dismissal of him saying to the Russians, I get rid of | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
the problem. This seems to be an issue that has bedevilled him. There | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
is no question about this. The president is... This is top of mind | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
for the president, top of mind forever be in the White House. They | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
have taken steps, structural steps, to deal with this. They have | :14:45. | :14:54. | |
modelled their response after the way the Clintons handled Monica | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
Lewinsky. Which resulted in the impeachment of the present, by the | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
way. This is central to what is going on in the White House right | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
now. Thank you so much. Where does this go from here? | :15:13. | :15:13. | |
Mark Mazzetti is the Washington Investigations Editor | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
He has been overseeing the paper's investigations | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
Can I just start by asking you, doesn't this meeting in June 2016, | :15:21. | :15:39. | |
and the fact that these people in Trump Tower seemed so keen to take | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
it, suggest there was no pipeline or formal connections with the Russians | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
until this point? I mean, I wouldn't draw eye conclusions either way | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
necessarily. Certainly there were contacts, there was a relationship | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
going back several years before -- between Donald Trump Jr and the man | :16:03. | :16:11. | |
associated with the Miss universe pageant in 2013. I would be careful | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
and I would be caution everybody else to not draw direct conclusions | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
either way about this meeting, and to not go beyond where the facts | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
are. We know based on the reporting of the last several days that this | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
meeting was brokered because Donald Trump Jr believed the Russian | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
government had damaging information about Hillary Clinton, and was very | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
eager to take the meeting. We're still trying to figure out what | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
became of that, if anything. What information was discussed. I think | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
it is a significant development in that we now have a detail about a | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
significant meeting, but there is more work to be done to put pieces | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
together either way. Where does it take us in terms of the familiar | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
Trump allegation that the Trump Tower was bogged? Just in terms of | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
potential incidental collection by US intelligence agencies, that may | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
have brought these e-mails to light, does that suggest there was into -- | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
incidental collection in that case? Not at all. No one has alleged that | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
these e-mails were intercepted by US intelligence agencies, or American | :17:26. | :17:35. | |
law-enforcement. So no, there has been no suggestion at all. You | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
saying they weren't? In sync there is absolutely no evidence to suggest | :17:43. | :17:50. | |
that. -- I'm saying. The whole story will come at ride. Nothing reported | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
so far suggests there was any involvement of American intelligence | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
agencies. Where do you take your investigation next? What are you | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
hunting for in terms of connections and communications between these key | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
individuals? A lot of it is where the same questions remain. Was there | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
a concerted effort between the Trump campaign under the Russian | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
government to share information, to coordinate on message, to some are | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
actively try to help Donald Trump? We saw from this meeting that there | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
was at least interest on the part of the Trump campaign. It does not show | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
that there was an active campaign of collusion or really that there was | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
any direct evidence that their actions taken that had any impact. | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
There are still questions about the president, there are still questions | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
about some of his advisers and a lot of stuff -- suspicious contacts that | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
need to be run to ground. Clearly we will watch the pages of your paper | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
and await your next instalment. Thank you very much. | :19:05. | :19:07. | |
What's happening to the workplace, workers' rights, and how | :19:08. | :19:09. | |
the government regulates or taxes all this? | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
They're big questions, which Matthew Taylor | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
attempted to answer today, as he published his review | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
But will the government implement it? | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
And do companies even observe the rules in their present form? | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
Newsnight teamed up to with colleagues from BBC London | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
to investigate the work practices of one high street company - | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
and the results, such as pay equivalent to one third | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
We have been investigating a company working in some of the UK's | :19:37. | :19:53. | |
We found workers exhausted and controlled. | :19:54. | :20:06. | |
Seemingly paid below the minimum wage and denied key work benefits. | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
In what's called bogus self-employment. | :20:13. | :20:22. | |
There are none of the hallmarks there, really, | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
But worse still, this seems to me to be exploitation of workers. | :20:25. | :20:38. | |
This is our undercover researcher Carla - not her real name. | :20:39. | :20:46. | |
She will try to get a job in a company called Soap Co, | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
who sell skin products from the Dead Sea. | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
They have got stores across London, including at one of the UK's | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
largest shopping centres, Westfield. | :20:55. | :21:11. | |
Carla has been invited for an interview with | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
And was clear about one thing right from the start. | :21:16. | :21:26. | |
And Carla goes on to sign the contract. | :21:27. | :21:50. | |
Plenty of references to her being self-employed, | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
The key though isn't necessarily what's in the contract. | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
It's what actually happens in practice. | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
She should be able to choose as someone who is self-employed. | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
But she has to work a schedule at Soap Co | :22:08. | :22:09. | |
at Westfield Shopping Centre, and also at Covent Garden, | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
She commences work, selling skincare products on commission, | :22:14. | :22:41. | |
And staff are compelled to work with only one day off a week. | :22:42. | :22:57. | |
Do you know if we can take days off on the weekends? | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
We're not allowed two days off, are we? | :23:03. | :23:18. | |
A self-employed person would ordinarily be free to do the work, | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
or not to do the work, on a given day. | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
And if they chose not to do the work, then they have the right | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
to provide a substitute, someone else to do that | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
And that's not what we saw was happening here. | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
And it quickly becomes clear that staff are heavily controlled, | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
forced to clean without pay, reprimanded for arriving | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
I didn't realise I was running late, sorry. | :23:47. | :24:02. | |
And subject to intense scrutiny, and penalties, including | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
Some of the workers Carla speaks to are exhausted | :24:05. | :24:39. | |
So you've been here like six hours, five hours? | :24:40. | :24:55. | |
Snezhana from Bulgaria, like many of the workers here, | :24:56. | :25:43. | |
was recruited from abroad by Soap Co, with the offer of | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
When people are pushing you and they stress you every day - | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
six days, 12 hours, you are under stress all the time - | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
and in one moment you are like, OK, that's it for me, | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
I was thinking that I would come to do something with my life. | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
And after that, I become like without any money. | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
Basically, they left me without nothing. | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
By claiming staff are self-employed, this company avoid having to pay | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
a whole host of in work benefits, such as sick and holiday pay | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
And when Carla collects her first pay packet, it is well under | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
the National Minimum Wage for the hours she has worked. | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
For 90 hours I have received ?200, which makes it | :26:39. | :26:40. | |
Arpita Dutt is one of several employment lawyers who have | :26:41. | :27:02. | |
now reviewed the BBC's evidence and footage. | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
It reminds me of our bygone days, those days where we used to have | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
Based on all the evidence that I've seen, this is false self-employment. | :27:10. | :27:19. | |
And this is much more an employment relationship than any I have seen. | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
But unfortunately, quite an exploitative | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
Soap Co says it takes its responsibilities under | :27:31. | :27:38. | |
UK law very seriously, and are extremely concerned | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
about the allegations about their company's working arrangements. | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
They are now reviewing those allegations and the implications, | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
if any, regarding the employment status of those who work with them. | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
We also tried to contact these managers we filmed. | :27:55. | :27:56. | |
Bogus self-employment allows companies to get away with not | :27:57. | :28:04. | |
spending vast amounts of cash on their staff. | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
We have been told of many similar cases of employment laws | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
being abused, orkers exploited, their basic rights denied. | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
Westfield told us tonight, that the company was concerned | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
about the reports regarding Soap Co, but was unable to comment | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
In a statement, the firm said shops in their stores were responsible | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
Separately, we should point out that our report | :28:34. | :28:41. | |
There is another organisation with a similar name - The Soap Co - | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
but it has no connections to Soap Co. | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
It has been described as the worst treatment disaster | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
Between 1970 and 1991, around 6,000 people became infected | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
with hepatitis C after receiving blood products from the NHS. | :28:59. | :29:06. | |
Another 1,500 were infected with HIV. | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
Most had been receiving treatment for haemophilia. | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
More than 2,000 are since believed to have died. | :29:16. | :29:17. | |
In the years since then, governments have apologised and some of those | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
But calls for a full public inquiry into the scandal have | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
Today that changed, when Theresa May announced unexpectedly | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
to her cabinet that she would order an inquiry, precise | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
The move may not have been entirely unconnected to the threat | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
the Prime Minister faced of potentially losing a Commons | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
vote on an emergency motion on the subject. | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
I want to ensure that this inquiry is going to provide the answers | :29:55. | :30:01. | |
that the victims and their families want, as to how this | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
And they have waited too long for these answers. | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
What we want to do is talk with the families, talk to them | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
about the shape that this inquiry should take, so we ensure | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
that it is able to provide the answers and justice | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
One of those who has been waiting for almost two decades for light | :30:21. | :30:28. | |
to be shone onto the scandal of the NHS' contaminated | :30:29. | :30:30. | |
Her father Steven was a haemophiliac who contracted Hepatitis C and HIV | :30:31. | :30:38. | |
through a contaminated blood transfusion in the mid 1980s. | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
Before he realised he had unknowingly passed HIV | :30:44. | :30:50. | |
to his wife Barbara and when Lauren was just nine years old, | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
she lost both her parents in the space of eight days. | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
Having gone through that terrible tragedy, did you feel all so that | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
you were growing up with a stigma? Massively. I was told that I | :31:06. | :31:14. | |
couldn't breathe a word of what had happened, with the association, the | :31:15. | :31:21. | |
stigma around HIV alone. So I never spoke of it when I was younger at | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
all. It's only really recently, the last couple of years that I've been | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
more open about it, especially with my job as well, it's quite | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
encouraged because charity is based around HIV so I've started telling | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
my story but yes, growing up, it was literally just, couldn't talk about | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
it. Who did you live with after this happened? Why was taken into care by | :31:51. | :31:58. | |
legal guardianship of my auntie and uncle, my mother's sister at the | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
time. What does today's announcement mean to you? Such a relief, it | :32:04. | :32:12. | |
couldn't have been better news. I know for a fact that so many people | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
have been fighting for this outcome for many, many years. I'm one of the | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
lucky ones, I've literally just come into the campaign off the back of | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
the panorama TV show but there are people who have been relentlessly | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
fighting and continually campaigning for this for such a long time. I am | :32:34. | :32:43. | |
beyond happy with the results today. It wasn't expected so even more of a | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
relief I think for us all. You say that it wasn't expected and it's 20 | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
years. Presumably for much of your life you've gone through this | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
assuming that this thing would never be properly dealt with and you would | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
never receive a real explanation, of everything that happened and why. | :33:03. | :33:11. | |
No, this... Like you say, very unexpected but we are over the moon | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
with it and it is just the beginning now. It's going to take a long time, | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
a long fight to get the real truth and justice and answers about what | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
actually happened. What is the end point of the process? Is it seeing | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
people in the dock, prosecutions? It is close off all of us who have been | :33:33. | :33:40. | |
affected, and those who have been infected, because no one has been | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
accountable for it -- it is closure for all of us. We want to know what | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
happened, how it happened, how a mistake of this magnitude can occur. | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
We just want answers, that's all we want, we want justice, for the | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
system to be... And if that means people being taken to court, as | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
happened in France for example, then that's part of the process for you? | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
It is, yes. To what extent did your parents understand the cause of what | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
had happened to them and to what extent would they have wanted to see | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
this day? I know my mum was fighting for about three years before she | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
passed away, and she never got anywhere with it. It was passed onto | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
my aunt, who then continually tried to find answers and fought for a | :34:39. | :34:45. | |
good few years, but it fell on deaf ears and didn't amount to anything | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
so now I am holding the flag for my mum, doing it for her and the other | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
families that have been affected by this. A real community out there | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
now. We all want the same thing, that's what we all want. Thank you | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
so much for explaining that to us. Thank you for having me. | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
The Grenfell Tower tragedy has yielded many | :35:10. | :35:11. | |
From some miraculously saved, to others who had to leave | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
behind family members, never to see them again. | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
Many of us probably remember the story of a 16-year-old girl | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
who sat her GCSE exams in her pyjamas the morning | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
after that dreadful night, one month ago. | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
That was Ines Alves, who lived on the 13th floor. | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
Well, her mother, Fatima Alves, hasn't spoken publicly before | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
about what the family has been through. | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
But she and her husband have been recounting their experience | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
to our special correspondent, Katie Razall. | :35:45. | :35:53. | |
Many people, they passed away, they died, they are ashes now. | :35:54. | :36:00. | |
Keeping busy helps Miguel Alves forget. | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
Now, ironically, he and his wife are at a fundraiser for victims | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
of recent fires in Portugal, his home country. | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
They put on a brave face but they are tormented | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
by what happened in the home they owned and had lived | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
The worst thing is seeing the people waving and banging | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
When I close my eyes, every time I can still see them, | :36:24. | :36:32. | |
We met them again a few days later at their hotel. | :36:33. | :36:47. | |
It seems unreal, even now, a month after it seems unreal. | :36:48. | :36:53. | |
I think in my mind, I still have that hope... | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
I'm going to my flat, you know, wake up from the nightmare and say | :36:59. | :37:08. | |
this was just a nightmare, we all go back to that place | :37:09. | :37:15. | |
where we built ourselves, you know, with love. | :37:16. | :37:17. | |
Famously, their daughter, Ines, sat her chemistry GCSE | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
I said, you can't go like that when she said | :37:25. | :37:36. | |
You can't go because you have no uniform and she said, | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
I've been studying very hard, I'm not going to miss my exam. | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
For this past month, the Alveses have reflected | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
Continue our lives, with or without the belongings. | :37:49. | :38:00. | |
And I know that there are people much worse than us, | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
they lost their belongings and they lost their families. | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
I think we are the luckiest family in the building. | :38:09. | :38:18. | |
That's because although their children were already | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
upstairs in the flat, the Alves parents arrived home | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
as the fire was starting and, as luck would have it, | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
they got into the lift with two men going to the floor | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
They exited at the fourth floor and we saw smoke, | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
so our instinct was to get out of the lift, straight | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
to the staircase and he said to me, you go down to the garage and get | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
the phone I left in the car, while I go upstairs | :38:46. | :38:47. | |
And they woke up all the neighbours, the our children and then | :38:48. | :38:57. | |
when I came out of the building I asked, I opened the door | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
for the firefighters, they were arriving at that moment | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
I led them to the staircase and then I asked one of them, | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
is it safe to stay in the building, and he said no, you stay here. | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
I said yeah but my children and my husband are upstairs | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
because at that moment my husband was already upstairs in the flat. | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
And he said yes, but my husband and children are upstairs | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
in the flat and he said, which floor, and I said 13. | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
He said to tell them to stay inside, close the doors | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
Of course we now know that was the advice given | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
to many of the families in Grenfell on the night and was part | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
Fortunately for everyone on the 13th floor, Miguel didn't heed it. | :39:42. | :39:49. | |
I was calm when I went out to get the kids, I was very calm. | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
I thought it was too much to wake them up but I did anyway. | :39:53. | :40:06. | |
Even if I broke the rules, they are there to be broken sometimes. | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
The family turned down the offer of a flat, holding out for more | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
A month has passed but for them it's as if time stands still. | :40:19. | :40:28. | |
I know there was a distance between us but it was like | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
looking at us, help, help, help, begging and waving | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
with the clothes and torches outside the window, | :40:39. | :40:40. | |
and saying, I'm here, I'm here, and we | :40:41. | :40:42. | |
Me and my husband went to a police officer, | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
a policeman and we said there are a lot of people | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
inside the flats and he said, calm down, the firefighters | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
are inside, they deal with the situation, they know | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
what to do and we trust because they are professionals, | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
The family treasure the few videos and photos | :41:03. | :41:10. | |
Their daughter playing piano with a young friend, | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
but nothing can bring back their home or the | :41:16. | :41:17. | |
Every day I look for that tower and... | :41:18. | :41:27. | |
That's it for today, which also happens to be the first | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
anniversary of Theresa May becoming leader of the Conservative Party, | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
and shortly thereafter, Prime Minister. | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
And for Mrs May, it included one particularly long night. | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
I hereby declare that May, Theresa Mary has been duly elected. | :41:47. | :42:00. | |
I'd like to ask the successful candidate to come up | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
My pitch is very simple, I'm Theresa May and I think I'm | :42:04. | :42:11. | |
the best person to be Prime Minister of this country. | :42:12. | :42:13. | |
You have a job but you don't always have job security. | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
I have just chaired a meeting of the Cabinet, where we agreed | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
that the government should call a general election. | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
That the only way to guarantee certainty and stability | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
for the years ahead is to hold this election. | :42:33. | :42:34. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will find himself alone and naked in the negotiating | :42:35. | :42:44. | |
I wanted to achieve a larger majority and I'm sorry. | :42:45. | :42:56. | |
When future generations look back at this time, | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
they will judge us not only by the decision that we made, but by | :43:01. | :43:20. | |
Hallo, heavy rain continuing to slowly clear | :43:21. | :43:21. |