11/07/2017 Newsnight


11/07/2017

With Mark Urban. New email links between Trump and Russia have emerged. Plus an undercover investigation into 'exploitative' working conditions by a UK cosmetics company.


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MUSIC: "A Shot In The Dark" - Henry Mancini

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Could these emails change everything for Trump?

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Has the claim of collusion between his campaign

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Also tonight, a Newsnight investigation reveals shocking high

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For 90 hours I have received ?200, which is less than ?3 an hour.

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The issue once again is claimed collusion between the Trump

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The president and those around him have repeatedly denied knowledge

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of any alleged attempt by Moscow to swing last autumn's election.

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But today, Donald Trump's son, Donald Junior, was forced to release

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a string of emails suggesting he knowingly met last summer

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with Russian officials who promised to dish dirt on Hillary Clinton.

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Today, Democratic Senator Tim Kaine - Mrs Clinton's running mate -

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said, "in terms of what's being investigated,

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this is moving into perjury, false statements and even

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A former Watergate prosecutor described the emails

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The president, meanwhile, defended his son as "a high quality

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They only actually met last week but the exact relationship between

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President Trump and his Russian counterpart is a constant theme

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among critics. There were plenty of allegations but not much fact. Now,

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details of a meeting between meeting Willett were members of the Trump

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campaign and a Russian lawyer have changed that. The picture is rapidly

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evolving, the President's son having to shift his position over the last

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three days and the publication of fresh details of the meeting in June

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last year by the New York Times prompted the President's eldest son

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to release what he said was the entire e-mail chain. On the 3rd of

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June, Rob Goldstone, a British publicist acting for Russian clients

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told Mr Trump Junior that he could introduce him to someone who had

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been briefed by the Russian authorities who...

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The tycoon's son replied within minutes saying...

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On the 7th of June, the date having been set for the meeting, Mr

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Goldstone referred to the person coming over as ... Donald Trump Jr

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replied that the meeting would take place at Trump Tower in New York.

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In releasing the e-mails, Donald Trump Jr wrote that he was being

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totally transparent and reiterated that the Russian lawyer, Natalia

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Veselnitskaya,... Had no information to provide and wanted to talk about

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adoption policy. Earlier today the lawyer insisted that she was never

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in possession of information that could have damaged Hillary Clinton

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but that Trump's people definitely wanted it. TRANSLATION: It's quite

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possible that maybe they were looking for such information, they

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wanted it so badly. Rob Goldstone has previously told the New York

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Times that the meeting produced no new information. He has also

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clarified that the lawyer was not a Kremlin official. The President's

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legal team have said that he was not aware and did not attend the June

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meeting. But the e-mail publication raises questions about the various

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shifts in Donald Trump Jr's position on the meeting, from initially

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denying he had anything -- he had -- it had anything to do with the

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Hillary Clinton campaign. The BBC's Paul Wood has been

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investigating President Trump's alleged links with Russia

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since last summer. You come in on a day when you were

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moving house, I think, so I assume you think this is areas? You

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couldn't miss this, there have been many bad days for the club

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administration on Russia and this is the worst, the most serious. First

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principles, the US intelligence agencies and say that Russia

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interfered in the US presidential election and did so to get Mr Trump

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elected. The White House has always denied that narrative, a senior

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official said that it was political, from the top of the agencies. I

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think it will be difficult for the White House to keep to this line now

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that we have Donald Trump Jr accenting a meeting on the basis

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that it is the Russian government trying to hand over information --

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Axar Patel a meeting. Hundreds of FBI agents are looking at whether

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the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian intelligence services,

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specifically, according to members of the Obama administration who saw

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the intelligence, it is alleged that members of the Trump campaign

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directed the Kremlin to which Democratic party members to hack.

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Looking at these e-mail exchanges that Donald Trump Jr published

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today, the meeting was not about telling the Russians where to hack,

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he was being offered official Russian information, damaging to

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Hillary Clinton allegedly, but not the result of illegal actions on US

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soil, according to those e-mails. That may not help him much, not

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least because if you cast your mind back to the Christopher Steele

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dossier, the former MI6 man who got things running with this report, he

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said that there had been an eight year exchange of information between

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Russia and the Trump campaign and this information fits into that. One

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network anchor said today that it Donald Trump Jr wasn't colluding,

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then he was collusion curious. You have given some hints about your

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contact with people from the administration and we have seen a

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tweet from the president saying, who wouldn't be interested in

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information from the opposition? Is that the line they are going to

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take? What is their strategy? I think they are in a panic. It was

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telling that the White House press briefing wasn't on camera and the

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spokesperson said, talk to the lawyers, when asked a question.

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Telling that Donald Trump Jr changed his story. His explanation was

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initially that he was meeting about Russian orphans being adopted by

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American parents but when the New York Times had the e-mails, he went

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public. I think you can see the white house falling back on the

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naivete defence, we have heard this from their supporters in Congress,

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saying that they were not involved in politics before, they did not

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know what they were getting into, they did not realise that they were

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breaking the law, that was the defence when Jared Kushner did not

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mention a meeting with a Russian ambassador on his official forms.

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Whether that works, remains to be seen. There is an investigation,

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probably more to come out. Having spoken to three intelligence sources

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who have seen classified intercepts they have said there is no specific

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conversation speaking of a conspiracy but there are a number of

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suspicious contacts and that is what this investigation will be looking

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at. You can bet if the New York Times has the transcript then the

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intelligence services have many more of them. This is the worst day so

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far but I think there will be more bad days on Russia for the club

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administration to come. Thank you, you'd better get back to your moving

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-- for the Trump administration. Michael Wolff is writing a book

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about President Donald He has been a critic of the liberal

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media. I asked him what he made of the

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latest chapter in the saga. This is a real one. We now have evidence,

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and let's be very precise about what we do now know, we now know that the

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Russian government reached out to embrace the Trump campaign and that

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the Trump campaign was very willing to be embraced by the Russian

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government. Now, there's no crime there that we know of yet but we

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certainly are a big step forward that to the Stourton stands -- to

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the circumstance in which there could be collusion in the commission

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of a crime and that's in Portland because just to establish collusion,

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as the Trump people are saying today, is not a crime -- that's

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important because. What about electoral law, soliciting a foreign

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contribution, doesn't that put Donald Trump Jr into difficult legal

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waters? I think that's kind of a sideshow at this point. One of the

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other aspects of this is going on is the media response to this, which is

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a paroxysm of glee and delight and I told you so and "Game over". The

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media has gone through this paroxysm many times before and if the media

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has done anything on this story, it's gotten ahead of where the story

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really is. So, this is... This has taken a clear step forward but it is

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by no means where the media thinks it is or thinks it is where it

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should be. People have obviously got carried away, we note Mr Trump has

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plenty of enemies in the liberal media but you yourself, as someone

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with very good... I would like to clarify that, everyone in De Lima

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will -- everyone in the liberal media is a Trump any make -- is a

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Trump enemy. This has not been judged by a court yet, there hasn't

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been a real legal thrashing out of the issue but it is important and

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quantitatively different. No, you have just taken a major leap beyond

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what we know. It's not a question of a court. You couldn't at this point

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say what crime may have been committed here. It looks terrible,

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they associate with really a lot of dubious characters, it is Russia,

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after all. I mean, the story couldn't sound, appear worse, but,

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but, there is no nexus in which anyone can establish a crime. Just

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taking dirt from the Russians on Hillary Clinton isn't a crime.

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It's a benefit potentially under the law. No. If somebody's -- somebody

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slipped you a little Mickey here. Forget the electoral laws, it is not

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relevant. You have done bad research on this. You have good lines into

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the Trump White House, you have good access. How obsessed do you think

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the president has become with this issue? We heard reports at the time

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of the James Comey dismissal of him saying to the Russians, I get rid of

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the problem. This seems to be an issue that has bedevilled him. There

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is no question about this. The president is... This is top of mind

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for the president, top of mind forever be in the White House. They

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have taken steps, structural steps, to deal with this. They have

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modelled their response after the way the Clintons handled Monica

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Lewinsky. Which resulted in the impeachment of the present, by the

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way. This is central to what is going on in the White House right

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now. Thank you so much. Where does this go from here?

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Mark Mazzetti is the Washington Investigations Editor

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He has been overseeing the paper's investigations

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Can I just start by asking you, doesn't this meeting in June 2016,

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and the fact that these people in Trump Tower seemed so keen to take

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it, suggest there was no pipeline or formal connections with the Russians

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until this point? I mean, I wouldn't draw eye conclusions either way

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necessarily. Certainly there were contacts, there was a relationship

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going back several years before -- between Donald Trump Jr and the man

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associated with the Miss universe pageant in 2013. I would be careful

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and I would be caution everybody else to not draw direct conclusions

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either way about this meeting, and to not go beyond where the facts

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are. We know based on the reporting of the last several days that this

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meeting was brokered because Donald Trump Jr believed the Russian

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government had damaging information about Hillary Clinton, and was very

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eager to take the meeting. We're still trying to figure out what

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became of that, if anything. What information was discussed. I think

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it is a significant development in that we now have a detail about a

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significant meeting, but there is more work to be done to put pieces

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together either way. Where does it take us in terms of the familiar

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Trump allegation that the Trump Tower was bogged? Just in terms of

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potential incidental collection by US intelligence agencies, that may

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have brought these e-mails to light, does that suggest there was into --

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incidental collection in that case? Not at all. No one has alleged that

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these e-mails were intercepted by US intelligence agencies, or American

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law-enforcement. So no, there has been no suggestion at all. You

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saying they weren't? In sync there is absolutely no evidence to suggest

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that. -- I'm saying. The whole story will come at ride. Nothing reported

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so far suggests there was any involvement of American intelligence

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agencies. Where do you take your investigation next? What are you

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hunting for in terms of connections and communications between these key

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individuals? A lot of it is where the same questions remain. Was there

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a concerted effort between the Trump campaign under the Russian

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government to share information, to coordinate on message, to some are

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actively try to help Donald Trump? We saw from this meeting that there

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was at least interest on the part of the Trump campaign. It does not show

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that there was an active campaign of collusion or really that there was

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any direct evidence that their actions taken that had any impact.

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There are still questions about the president, there are still questions

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about some of his advisers and a lot of stuff -- suspicious contacts that

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need to be run to ground. Clearly we will watch the pages of your paper

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and await your next instalment. Thank you very much.

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What's happening to the workplace, workers' rights, and how

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the government regulates or taxes all this?

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They're big questions, which Matthew Taylor

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attempted to answer today, as he published his review

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But will the government implement it?

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And do companies even observe the rules in their present form?

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Newsnight teamed up to with colleagues from BBC London

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to investigate the work practices of one high street company -

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and the results, such as pay equivalent to one third

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We have been investigating a company working in some of the UK's

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We found workers exhausted and controlled.

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Seemingly paid below the minimum wage and denied key work benefits.

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In what's called bogus self-employment.

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There are none of the hallmarks there, really,

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But worse still, this seems to me to be exploitation of workers.

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This is our undercover researcher Carla - not her real name.

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She will try to get a job in a company called Soap Co,

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who sell skin products from the Dead Sea.

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They have got stores across London, including at one of the UK's

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largest shopping centres, Westfield.

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Carla has been invited for an interview with

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And was clear about one thing right from the start.

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And Carla goes on to sign the contract.

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Plenty of references to her being self-employed,

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The key though isn't necessarily what's in the contract.

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It's what actually happens in practice.

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She should be able to choose as someone who is self-employed.

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But she has to work a schedule at Soap Co

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at Westfield Shopping Centre, and also at Covent Garden,

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She commences work, selling skincare products on commission,

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And staff are compelled to work with only one day off a week.

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Do you know if we can take days off on the weekends?

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We're not allowed two days off, are we?

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A self-employed person would ordinarily be free to do the work,

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or not to do the work, on a given day.

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And if they chose not to do the work, then they have the right

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to provide a substitute, someone else to do that

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And that's not what we saw was happening here.

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And it quickly becomes clear that staff are heavily controlled,

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forced to clean without pay, reprimanded for arriving

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I didn't realise I was running late, sorry.

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And subject to intense scrutiny, and penalties, including

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Some of the workers Carla speaks to are exhausted

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So you've been here like six hours, five hours?

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Snezhana from Bulgaria, like many of the workers here,

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was recruited from abroad by Soap Co, with the offer of

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When people are pushing you and they stress you every day -

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six days, 12 hours, you are under stress all the time -

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and in one moment you are like, OK, that's it for me,

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I was thinking that I would come to do something with my life.

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And after that, I become like without any money.

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Basically, they left me without nothing.

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By claiming staff are self-employed, this company avoid having to pay

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a whole host of in work benefits, such as sick and holiday pay

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And when Carla collects her first pay packet, it is well under

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the National Minimum Wage for the hours she has worked.

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For 90 hours I have received ?200, which makes it

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Arpita Dutt is one of several employment lawyers who have

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now reviewed the BBC's evidence and footage.

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It reminds me of our bygone days, those days where we used to have

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Based on all the evidence that I've seen, this is false self-employment.

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And this is much more an employment relationship than any I have seen.

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But unfortunately, quite an exploitative

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Soap Co says it takes its responsibilities under

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UK law very seriously, and are extremely concerned

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about the allegations about their company's working arrangements.

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They are now reviewing those allegations and the implications,

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if any, regarding the employment status of those who work with them.

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We also tried to contact these managers we filmed.

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Bogus self-employment allows companies to get away with not

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spending vast amounts of cash on their staff.

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We have been told of many similar cases of employment laws

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being abused, orkers exploited, their basic rights denied.

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Westfield told us tonight, that the company was concerned

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about the reports regarding Soap Co, but was unable to comment

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In a statement, the firm said shops in their stores were responsible

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Separately, we should point out that our report

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There is another organisation with a similar name - The Soap Co -

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but it has no connections to Soap Co.

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It has been described as the worst treatment disaster

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Between 1970 and 1991, around 6,000 people became infected

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with hepatitis C after receiving blood products from the NHS.

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Another 1,500 were infected with HIV.

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Most had been receiving treatment for haemophilia.

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More than 2,000 are since believed to have died.

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In the years since then, governments have apologised and some of those

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But calls for a full public inquiry into the scandal have

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Today that changed, when Theresa May announced unexpectedly

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to her cabinet that she would order an inquiry, precise

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The move may not have been entirely unconnected to the threat

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the Prime Minister faced of potentially losing a Commons

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vote on an emergency motion on the subject.

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I want to ensure that this inquiry is going to provide the answers

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that the victims and their families want, as to how this

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And they have waited too long for these answers.

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What we want to do is talk with the families, talk to them

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about the shape that this inquiry should take, so we ensure

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that it is able to provide the answers and justice

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One of those who has been waiting for almost two decades for light

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to be shone onto the scandal of the NHS' contaminated

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Her father Steven was a haemophiliac who contracted Hepatitis C and HIV

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through a contaminated blood transfusion in the mid 1980s.

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Before he realised he had unknowingly passed HIV

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to his wife Barbara and when Lauren was just nine years old,

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she lost both her parents in the space of eight days.

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Having gone through that terrible tragedy, did you feel all so that

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you were growing up with a stigma? Massively. I was told that I

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couldn't breathe a word of what had happened, with the association, the

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stigma around HIV alone. So I never spoke of it when I was younger at

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all. It's only really recently, the last couple of years that I've been

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more open about it, especially with my job as well, it's quite

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encouraged because charity is based around HIV so I've started telling

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my story but yes, growing up, it was literally just, couldn't talk about

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it. Who did you live with after this happened? Why was taken into care by

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legal guardianship of my auntie and uncle, my mother's sister at the

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time. What does today's announcement mean to you? Such a relief, it

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couldn't have been better news. I know for a fact that so many people

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have been fighting for this outcome for many, many years. I'm one of the

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lucky ones, I've literally just come into the campaign off the back of

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the panorama TV show but there are people who have been relentlessly

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fighting and continually campaigning for this for such a long time. I am

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beyond happy with the results today. It wasn't expected so even more of a

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relief I think for us all. You say that it wasn't expected and it's 20

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years. Presumably for much of your life you've gone through this

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assuming that this thing would never be properly dealt with and you would

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never receive a real explanation, of everything that happened and why.

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No, this... Like you say, very unexpected but we are over the moon

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with it and it is just the beginning now. It's going to take a long time,

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a long fight to get the real truth and justice and answers about what

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actually happened. What is the end point of the process? Is it seeing

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people in the dock, prosecutions? It is close off all of us who have been

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affected, and those who have been infected, because no one has been

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accountable for it -- it is closure for all of us. We want to know what

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happened, how it happened, how a mistake of this magnitude can occur.

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We just want answers, that's all we want, we want justice, for the

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system to be... And if that means people being taken to court, as

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happened in France for example, then that's part of the process for you?

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It is, yes. To what extent did your parents understand the cause of what

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had happened to them and to what extent would they have wanted to see

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this day? I know my mum was fighting for about three years before she

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passed away, and she never got anywhere with it. It was passed onto

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my aunt, who then continually tried to find answers and fought for a

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good few years, but it fell on deaf ears and didn't amount to anything

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so now I am holding the flag for my mum, doing it for her and the other

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families that have been affected by this. A real community out there

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now. We all want the same thing, that's what we all want. Thank you

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so much for explaining that to us. Thank you for having me.

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The Grenfell Tower tragedy has yielded many

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From some miraculously saved, to others who had to leave

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behind family members, never to see them again.

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Many of us probably remember the story of a 16-year-old girl

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who sat her GCSE exams in her pyjamas the morning

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after that dreadful night, one month ago.

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That was Ines Alves, who lived on the 13th floor.

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Well, her mother, Fatima Alves, hasn't spoken publicly before

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about what the family has been through.

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But she and her husband have been recounting their experience

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to our special correspondent, Katie Razall.

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Many people, they passed away, they died, they are ashes now.

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Keeping busy helps Miguel Alves forget.

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Now, ironically, he and his wife are at a fundraiser for victims

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of recent fires in Portugal, his home country.

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They put on a brave face but they are tormented

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by what happened in the home they owned and had lived

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The worst thing is seeing the people waving and banging

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When I close my eyes, every time I can still see them,

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We met them again a few days later at their hotel.

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It seems unreal, even now, a month after it seems unreal.

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I think in my mind, I still have that hope...

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I'm going to my flat, you know, wake up from the nightmare and say

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this was just a nightmare, we all go back to that place

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where we built ourselves, you know, with love.

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Famously, their daughter, Ines, sat her chemistry GCSE

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I said, you can't go like that when she said

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You can't go because you have no uniform and she said,

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I've been studying very hard, I'm not going to miss my exam.

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For this past month, the Alveses have reflected

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Continue our lives, with or without the belongings.

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And I know that there are people much worse than us,

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they lost their belongings and they lost their families.

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I think we are the luckiest family in the building.

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That's because although their children were already

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upstairs in the flat, the Alves parents arrived home

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as the fire was starting and, as luck would have it,

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they got into the lift with two men going to the floor

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They exited at the fourth floor and we saw smoke,

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so our instinct was to get out of the lift, straight

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to the staircase and he said to me, you go down to the garage and get

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the phone I left in the car, while I go upstairs

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And they woke up all the neighbours, the our children and then

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when I came out of the building I asked, I opened the door

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for the firefighters, they were arriving at that moment

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I led them to the staircase and then I asked one of them,

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is it safe to stay in the building, and he said no, you stay here.

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I said yeah but my children and my husband are upstairs

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because at that moment my husband was already upstairs in the flat.

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And he said yes, but my husband and children are upstairs

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in the flat and he said, which floor, and I said 13.

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He said to tell them to stay inside, close the doors

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Of course we now know that was the advice given

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to many of the families in Grenfell on the night and was part

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Fortunately for everyone on the 13th floor, Miguel didn't heed it.

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I was calm when I went out to get the kids, I was very calm.

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I thought it was too much to wake them up but I did anyway.

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Even if I broke the rules, they are there to be broken sometimes.

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The family turned down the offer of a flat, holding out for more

:40:13.:40:18.

A month has passed but for them it's as if time stands still.

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I know there was a distance between us but it was like

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looking at us, help, help, help, begging and waving

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with the clothes and torches outside the window,

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and saying, I'm here, I'm here, and we

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Me and my husband went to a police officer,

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a policeman and we said there are a lot of people

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inside the flats and he said, calm down, the firefighters

:40:50.:40:53.

are inside, they deal with the situation, they know

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what to do and we trust because they are professionals,

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The family treasure the few videos and photos

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Their daughter playing piano with a young friend,

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but nothing can bring back their home or the

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Every day I look for that tower and...

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That's it for today, which also happens to be the first

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anniversary of Theresa May becoming leader of the Conservative Party,

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and shortly thereafter, Prime Minister.

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And for Mrs May, it included one particularly long night.

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I hereby declare that May, Theresa Mary has been duly elected.

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I'd like to ask the successful candidate to come up

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My pitch is very simple, I'm Theresa May and I think I'm

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the best person to be Prime Minister of this country.

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You have a job but you don't always have job security.

:42:14.:42:19.

I have just chaired a meeting of the Cabinet, where we agreed

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that the government should call a general election.

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That the only way to guarantee certainty and stability

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for the years ahead is to hold this election.

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Jeremy Corbyn will find himself alone and naked in the negotiating

:42:35.:42:44.

I wanted to achieve a larger majority and I'm sorry.

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When future generations look back at this time,

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they will judge us not only by the decision that we made, but by

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Hallo, heavy rain continuing to slowly clear

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