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COMMENTATOR: He's a one-man world superpower, victory for Mo Farah! | :00:09. | :00:16. | |
STUDIO: A victory lap tonight for Mo, | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
but what of the sport As athletics fights | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
to clean up its act, how confident is the head | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
of the world anti-doping agency At the moment, without doubt, | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
the toughest thing that I've ever Also tonight - is Kenya facing | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
another bloody election? We, as supporters, | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
will have to fight And this British man died | :00:37. | :00:45. | |
battling IS alongside His mother joins us to share her | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
thoughts on his legacy. There were familiar scenes | :00:51. | :01:05. | |
at London's Olympic Stadium tonight as Sir Mo Farah won another | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
10,000 metre gold in It's been just five years | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
since Farah made his name as London, world athletics and British | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
brilliance combined to create an Olympic Games that ranked among | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
the most successful in history But since then athletics has been | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
mired in doping scandals which has seen the Russian team excluded | :01:26. | :01:34. | |
from international competitions and Mo Farah has never failed a drugs | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
test. But his coach Alberto Salazar | :01:37. | :01:49. | |
remains the subject of an investigation by US anti | :01:50. | :01:50. | |
doping chiefs - though of course Some in the sport are critical of | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
the speed at which the investigation that could clear them | :01:54. | :02:10. | |
has been conducted. And what will become of the sport | :02:11. | :02:11. | |
once Mo and its other big names like Usain Bolt depart | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
after these games? COMMENTATOR: The women's 1500 metres | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
gets underway. The London Olympics in 2012 was a triumph in semi-ways | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
by doping is casting an ever darker shadow over it -- so many wastrels | :02:26. | :02:35. | |
of this race has been dubbed the dirtiest traceable time, the winner | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
was previously banned for two years from 2004 on two 2006, she has been | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
stripped of the gold medal and has been serving a ban and the silver | :02:45. | :02:53. | |
medallist has also been found guilty of irregularities in her biological | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
passport. The fifth placed runner was later banned for meldonium use | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
but had her suspension overturned. In seventh place, an athlete banned | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
for biological passport abnormalities and in ninth place an | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
athlete who will be banned for two years for the attended use of a | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
prohibited substance or method. The Mail on Sunday calculated that of | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
650 athletes, at track and field finals at London 2012, 87 have had | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
doping violations. It has increased now to 88, a further 188 have doping | :03:31. | :03:38. | |
associations, either their coach or agent or doctor is associated or | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
they have missed or failed a test. The World Championships that started | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
today was supposed to draw a line under the saga, medals are being | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
rewarded and Russia is still not here because of its doping | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
violations. The Russian athletes who are here compete as independents. We | :03:57. | :04:06. | |
can use some Russian close with the Russian flag colours, they are | :04:07. | :04:15. | |
strict rules, so we can use any kind of science on your body and in your | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
hair, with a Russian flag, something even close to this will stop so how | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
confident should we be? It is possible to have a sport where the | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
vast majority of people you are watching our clean and I think that | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
is the case, it is harder for an athlete to cheat and you have got to | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
take the federations usually, to ban a whole country in Russia is a | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
serious step to take. People will be looking at the 2017 World | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
Championships in London with scepticism which is what athletics | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
deserves given its track record, and there will be dozens of convicted | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
dopers taking part in the championships, that's a matter of | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
public record, people who have taken drugs and come back from bands. | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
Public trust matters. All the athletes you watch running for Great | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
Britain have been subsidised by the National Lottery which has changed | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
the face of athletics. If the public lose faith in athletics, it will be | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
harder to justify lottery spending, and they have got to win medals, as | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
well, and that will get harder without the likes of Mo Farah and | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
Jessica Ennis-Hill and Rutherford not jumping. Athletics will face a | :05:31. | :05:39. | |
challenge as Usain Bolt believes the sport, a paragon of clean living. | :05:40. | :05:49. | |
The fastest 30 times in that event have been run entirely by dopers | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
apart from The Times clock by Usain Bolt. The person who has | :05:55. | :06:01. | |
single-handedly carried the sport, almost, he has transcended the | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
sport, a global superstar but he won't be there after this year. That | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
will be a very big void to fill. The passing of a great may show up the | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
depth of the problems in track and field. Chris Cook, reporting. | :06:16. | :06:23. | |
Sir Craig Reedie is a few months into his second term | :06:24. | :06:26. | |
as President of WADA, the world anti-doping agency, | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
and as such the man ultimately responsible for cleaning | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
Earlier this evening I button-holed him outside his hotel | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
Luckily, we also managed to borrow a couple of chairs | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
I began by asking him how tarnished athletics is now compare to his | :06:41. | :06:49. | |
career as a badminton player. Athletics certainly suffered | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
from the revelations in 2015, when the biggest country | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
in the world was clearly involved in cheating, and secondly | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
when the International Federation I think they are making progress | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
and I encourage them to do that, and we work closely with them | :07:06. | :07:16. | |
as they do that. We have one of our finest athletes, | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
Mo Farah, running in London under His coach, Alberto | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
Salazar, won't be here. There are reports, as you know, | :07:23. | :07:29. | |
of suppression of investigations. So it isn't just the Russians that | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
leave a slightly sour taste. Well, you can remember | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
after the Rio games, the discord and trouble caused | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
by an organisation called the Fancy Bears, who reacted | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
to what they saw as treatment They were, who immediately of course | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
found people who had therapeutic use exemptions who happened to come | :07:46. | :07:55. | |
from Western medal-winning countries Personally, I'm disappointed | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
in that it has taken too long This has been going on for | :08:01. | :08:08. | |
about three years now. I think the United States | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
Anti-Doping Agency would be well served if they reached a decision | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
sooner rather than later. Can the people lining up | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
on the starting line at these games be more confident | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
than they were in Rio, more confident than they were in London, | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
the clean athletes, can they be confident that they're not lining up | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
against doped athletes? Athletics here have pre-games tested | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
any number of athletes. There have been something | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
like 5,000 different urine There will be another 600 | :08:39. | :08:40. | |
done in competition. So athletes know that, | :08:41. | :08:47. | |
and it would be foolish for any In addition, they will keep samples | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
from London for a period So if you're so smart that | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
you don't get caught now, the chances are that you will be | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
caught at some date in the future. So I assure you that | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
everything is being done, That said, I can't sit here and be | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
complacent in any way. This is an argument that has to go | :09:07. | :09:16. | |
on on a day-to-day basis. And it would also help if we had | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
a bit more money to do it. For me, as a fan of athletics, | :09:20. | :09:27. | |
it's the dope users who pass the tests that are the problem, | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
not the ones who fail the tests, because the technology | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
and the effort, the laboratories we read about, the supplements, | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
the mysterious substances crossing borders in Jiffy bags, | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
the effort that is put into not failing the dope tests | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
is where the attention surely needs People need to understand | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
that this is an ongoing and changing situation, | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
every minute of every day. We have our own investigations | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
department and our own But to run both of these, | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
you need to have large And how you collect that information | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
is time-consuming and expensive, and when you analyse it, | :10:05. | :10:14. | |
you act properly on it. When I say act properly, | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
we are a sports organisation. Sometimes it would help if we had | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
law enforcement more But I refuse to sit here and say | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
either that we have no problem, or even worse, from my point | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
of view, "I'm sorry, I'm so depressed that I'm | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
not prepared to carry It's like that Greek fella pushing | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
the rock up the hill and when he got to the top, | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
it started rolling back down again. It is without doubt the toughest | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
thing I have tried to do in sport. Success looks like a much, | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
much reduced number of athletes being caught cheating | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
by testing positive. We have to be smart | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
in our own research, in our own understanding, | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
that we test for the correct substance in the correct athlete | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
in the correct event, I have a sense that the police, | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
as in many areas of life, many areas of wrongdoing, | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
the police, which is you, are playing catch up | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
with the criminal. Well, I would like to think | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
we are closer to them than you might think, | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
James. David Walsh is chief sports writer | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
for the Sunday Times and was responsible for exposing | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
doping by the cyclist He has also written | :11:34. | :11:35. | |
extensively about athletics It is unfortunate that we have to | :11:36. | :11:49. | |
discuss Mo Farah's swansong in the context of the continuing | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
investigation, how much does this pollute his legacy potentially? It | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
doesn't enhance his legacy, that he has worked with Alberto Salazar, a | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
coach who has a lot of questions to answer at the very least. Both | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
adamant there has been no wrongdoing. Yes, years, but the | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
United States anti-doping agency are still investigating Alberto Salazar | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
and we have testimony from any athletes who worked with him who | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
were unhappy about his methods. That isn't to say that Mo Farah dopes but | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
it would be much better for his credibility if he had no connection | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
with Alberto Salazar. You heard Craig Reedie being interviewed, he | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
talks a good game, do you think that Wada is fit for purpose? It might be | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
if it had sufficient funding. Craig Reedie is in his second term and I | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
have a sense of a man who is only now getting a grip on the problem | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
that exists. He has had a very unimpressive first term. When this | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
Russian controversy broke, his initial reaction was to hope that it | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
would pass without becoming a major controversy. Of course it was going | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
to become a major controversy because we had outstanding | :13:16. | :13:24. | |
whistle-blowers in Russia. Stepanov told us what was going on in Russia, | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
and for the athletes who were competing... Who are competing in | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
this World Championship in London now, it is significant that there | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
are not many Russians here, the Russian team is not there, and that | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
is to athletics credit that they have basically kicked out Russia for | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
the Rio games and they are still out. Chris Cook's film earlier, that | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
was astonishing, to see the women's race in which almost everyone was | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
found to have been in some sort of contravention of the rules. Are you | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
confident that webby happening in London in the next few days? -- | :14:03. | :14:10. | |
won't be happening. Yes, I am. The IAAF was corrupt at that time and | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
the people were aiding and abetting doping and some of them were | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
profiting from doping so we have the most appalling situation. Many | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
British people will have great memories of London 2012 but much of | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
what we watched was fraudulent and the legacy has been besmirched by | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
that. I don't think the IAAF is corrupt today in the way it was then | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
and I think there have been great improvements and the fact they have | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
voted to sanction Russia in the way they have. That is to their credit. | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
Will there be any dopers involved in these games? Of course. I don't | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
think you can watch any major event in athletics and in some other | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
sports and not have some dopers but there will be less. One thing we | :14:59. | :15:06. | |
should all remember, the greatest controversy we have seen in terms of | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
doping was enacted at the Winter Olympics where the Russian state | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
conspired to cheat their way to gold medals, what they did was substitute | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
you're in because that was the only where they could beat the tests for | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
the not many countries could do that because that involve huge planning | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
and the involvement of the state police and the former KGB. Many of | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
those agents were involved, and that isn't going to happen in many other | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
places, but the reason Russia did that is because the anti-doping | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
tests do work anti-circumvention MP had to actually substitute -- they | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
actually had to substitute. They could be far more effective than | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
they are and the doping problem would be either would say | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
significantly less if we put enough money into it. Very briefly, with | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
big stars heading off into the sunset like Hussein Barr, is the | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
sport heading into the doldrums? -- Usain Bolt. Athletics is losing its | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
audience, no doubt, and losing Mo Farah and especially Usain Bolt | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
won't help, but sport survives. Golf is used to worry about what would | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
happen when Tiger Woods went into decline, that happened, and golf is | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
still there. Athletics will live long after Mo Farah and Usain Bolt. | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
Thanks for joining us. The incumbent, President Uhuru | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
Kenyatta is up against his old rival Raila Odinga, who's trying | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
for what will be his fourth - and, at 72, possibly his last - | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
attempt to become president. The polls suggest it's close, | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
and given Kenya's recent history, how the election is run, | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
who wins and how the loser takes it, will decide whether the country | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
descends into violence as it did a decade ago, or becomes a champion | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
of African democracy. Tensions are running high - | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
not helped by the brutal abduction, torture and murder this week | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
of the man in charge This from the BBC's | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
Africa Correspondent It's not just politicians who bring | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
rallies to the slums of Nairobi. If anyone gets upset | :17:10. | :17:21. | |
about the election result, the violence will break out here, | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
and so they're urging Rachel is a feminist | :17:27. | :17:28. | |
and an activist in Mathare, one of the biggest | :17:29. | :17:37. | |
slums in the capital. The march is straddling two wards | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
with different politics. If Kenyans are told | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
the election was free and fair, Even in the slums, as much | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
as they are using words to criminalise us, telling us it's | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
a hotspot, if they know the election is free | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
and fair, they cannot disturb. Rallies have been romping | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
across the country for weeks. This is opposition orange, | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
and green, and blue and white. The National Super Alliance, | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
they're called, Nasa, five opposition parties | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
on one ticket. Raila Odinga is their | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
presidential candidate, Since then, the Odingas have | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
always been in opposition. It's his fourth attempt to get | :18:21. | :18:31. | |
the top job, and at 72, probably his last, and that makes | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
the stakes even higher. "the driver is drunk | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
and the conductor is a thief". Drivers and conductors | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
aside, their alliance Uhuru Kenyatta, son | :18:43. | :18:51. | |
of Kenya's first president. The big political dynasties | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
live on more than 50 The success of this | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
whole ballot depends The Independent Electoral | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
and Boundaries Commission, or IEBC, In a country where vote-rigging has | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
been suspected in the past and is expected in the future, | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
their computerised voting system is the key to free | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
and fair elections. If it works, fixing the result | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
will be an awful lot harder The public demonstration went well, | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
but if the computer system fails, And given what has | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
happened in the past week, Chris Msando was the acting head | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
of IT at the Electoral Commission, "The system's safe with me", | :19:39. | :19:45. | |
he said, but then he disappeared. This time last week, | :19:46. | :19:52. | |
he left the IEBC building and went He was meeting a 21-year-old | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
graduate student known as Carol. What happened over the next few | :19:55. | :20:03. | |
hours is a lot less certain. His Land Rover was seen | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
driving across Nairobi. At one point, four people | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
may have been inside, Elsewhere, he was on the phone | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
looking agitated. First, his car was recovered | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
on one side of town. Then on the other side of the city, | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
two bodies were discovered. Both he and the young | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
graduate, Carol Ngumbu, People jumped to their own | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
conclusions, and it's put A senior Kenyan lawyer wants | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
a commission of inquiry for this and other cases | :20:42. | :20:53. | |
of what he calls Apart from being a chilling effect | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
on the general populace and even other employees of the electoral | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
body, it again just highlights how we have, for too long, | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
left extrajudicial killings Corruption is a huge | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
part of the problem. This footage was filmed | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
by citizen journalists. It's common, and just | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
the tip of the iceberg. The police officer stops, | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
opens the door and grabs something. John-Allan Namu is an investigative | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
journalist for Africa Corruption is endemic | :21:30. | :21:31. | |
in this country. It's taken over very many parts | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
of government operations. A third of our resources | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
are believed to be lost It's driven by a lot | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
of private-sector impunity, Nothing ever gets resolved. | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
No one ever goes to jail. Ten years ago, terrible | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
post-election ethnic violence killed more than 1,200 people amid claims | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
that it was rigged, International Criminal Court charges | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
against the deputy president and President Kenyatta collapsed | :22:05. | :22:12. | |
when witnesses died mysteriously. At the last election, | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
the computer system failed. Rachel's friends in Mathare | :22:19. | :22:20. | |
are worried it will happen again. We are a bit scared, | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
especially as women. The way things are going, | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
we are all scared. He's saying the main | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
issue we have is She's saying it will be peaceful | :22:35. | :22:36. | |
as long as it is a free, But if it isn't free, | :22:37. | :22:45. | |
fair and credible... This is obviously a group | :22:46. | :22:53. | |
of opposition supporters. We want to live in a peaceful | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
community, but if it happens by mistake, the Jubilee | :22:57. | :23:08. | |
government rigs elections, we, he's saying we as Nasa supporters | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
will have to fight If he loses, but it's a fair | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
election, what happens then? But if it is 50-50, | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
we will not agree on that. So if it's really close, there's | :23:22. | :23:38. | |
more chance of being violence? This is one of the most important | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
elections in Africa, in one What's significant now | :23:41. | :23:48. | |
is not who wins, but how In the three years since the birth | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
of the so-called Islamic State it is believed up to 850 men, | :23:53. | :24:02. | |
women, boys and girls have left Britain to make what for most of us | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
would be the unimaginable journey Many are since believed to have been | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
killed or now find themselves trapped in Raqqa as coalition troops | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
close in to liberate it. Remarkably, some of those | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
confronting Isis across the Syrian battlefields | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
are themselves from Britain. Over the years, dozens have left | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
these shores as civilians Most join regiments | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
from the Kurdish YPG army. One young man, Ryan Lock, | :24:30. | :24:38. | |
was praised this week as a hero by a coroner who heard details | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
of his death. He shot himself to avoid | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
capture after being injured in a gunfight last December - | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
the third Briton Others who have fought have been | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
arrested on their return to Britain. I'm joined now by Vasilika | :24:52. | :24:59. | |
Scurfield, the mother of Eric Scurfield, who was killed | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
in 2015 as he fought with the YPG. I am so sorry for your loss. Why did | :25:02. | :25:18. | |
Eric, or cost, as the family knew him, why was he so keen to get | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
involved in a war that in many ways have nothing to do with him? He felt | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
that since most of the people fighting in Syria for Isis, many of | :25:26. | :25:32. | |
them were British soldiers or most were from other countries, he felt | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
that it was his duty to redress that balance. And he felt that Isis was a | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
threat that if not stopped, would spread. What if Isis had not been | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
stopped by the Kurds? They might have gone on to Jordan, the Greek | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
islands, Albania. They were unstoppable at the time and he felt | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
he had to step up. And I think he was doing his National Service in | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
the Greek army that he formed -- at the time he formed this ambition. | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
Actually, he was in the Royal Marines here in the UK. Part of the | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
reason why he went was disappointment when he was told by | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
his CEOs that there was no chance of him going into recognise the 10,000 | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
-- rescue the 10,000 Yazidi people in the mountains. He was disgusted. | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
And of course, the government at the time was keen to offer support to | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
precisely the sort of militias that he ended up fighting with. They lost | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
a Parliamentary vote, which makes it all the more remarkable that the | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
status of fighters like your son is, well, how would you describe it? It | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
is a sort of legal limbo. It is worse than that. They are often | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
criminalised when they come back. So these are guys fighting with | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
coalition forces. They are getting our support from coalition forces. | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
They are getting treated, if they are lucky enough, in special forces | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
field hospitals, for example. So they are working closely with | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
coalition forces and they are being treated as terrorists when they come | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
back. I understand that we have to question them to check which side | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
they are fighting for and make sure they have not committed a crime. But | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
after that, you find some of them are let go and some of them are | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
criminalised and put on bail, where they have to present themselves | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
three times a week for six months at a time. Their families are treated | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
disrespectfully. I know there is a sort of covert network of families, | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
but you have to be careful City reasons. The first is the Islamic | :27:37. | :27:44. | |
State's vigilance on computer networks being unknowable. Secondly, | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
you have to shield your family members' activities from the British | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
government? It is more about privacy. For a lot of parents, it is | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
a shock, but it is those things as well. They are soft targets for any | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
maniac who might want to go after them. And they are at risk from | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
being treated disrespectfully by the British government. I have no | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
complaints about the way I was treated, and I don't see why other | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
parents should not benefit from the same treatment. What would you like | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
the government to do formally? I think they should be stopped at the | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
airport when they come in. When they establish from their phones and the | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
evidence that they were fighting from the YPG, they should as a | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
minimum just be let go. They don't have a policy across the UK to say | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
everybody will be treated the same way. Half of them coming and are not | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
bothered, and half of them are criminalised. It seems to be a lucky | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
dip. How many British people do you think are out there? It would be a | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
complete guess. We are told there are up to 200 foreign volunteers | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
from all countries, 12 Greeks, some Chinese, people from all over | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
Europe, the USA, Canada, maybe up to 50 Brits? And at least one of them | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
is a woman. Did you try to stop him going? Of course I did. The whole of | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
the might of the British military tried to stop him going, but there | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
was no way we could. He was determined to go. It may be that | :29:19. | :29:26. | |
every answer is different to this question, but what do they have in | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
common, do you think, the men and woman that have gone out there? | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
Courage. And the strength of their convictions. Many thanks. | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
I should say that we asked the Home Office whether all Britons | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
who go to fight against Isis were at risk of prosecution. | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
In a statement they said anyone who returns from the conflict | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
in Syria or Iraq should expect to be reviewed by the police and that | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
charges would be considered on a case by case basis. | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
Before we go, if you're about to head off abroad and fancy | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
some inspiration for your holiday snaps, why not head | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
to the University of Greenwich for an exhibition of some | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
to the Travel Photographer of the Year Awards? | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
If you can't make it, here's a taste. | :30:10. | :30:41. | |
# Ever since I put your picture in a frame #. | :30:42. | :30:52. |