18/08/2017 Newsnight


18/08/2017

The latest on the investigation into the Barcelona attackers, Steve Bannon departs the White House and remembering Sir Bruce Forsyth. Nick Ferrari presents.


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A moments silence across Spain as the country grapples

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with the latest European terror attack.

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But just how serious is the Islamist terror threat in Catalonia?

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The disappearing act continues as Steve Bannon becomes the latest

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Trump advisor to be cast out of the White House.

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This picture shows his top team in January.

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Only Trump and his Vice President remain...

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But how much will his departure change the Presidency's

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It will be nice to see you on Newsnight... To see you on

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Newsnight, nice! There is a first! Mr Light Entertainment, TV legend

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Sir Bruce Forsyth, has died. With depressing familiarity,

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a minute's silence was held today to remember terror victims

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in a major European city. The public and politicians came

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together in Barcelona in scenes which have echoed London,

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Manchester and Paris As they stood still,

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police action to tackle Police killed five people

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in Cambrils, south-west of Barcelona, after another car

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attack killed one and injured six. But the driver of yesterday's van

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is still on the run. What has surprised many is the scale

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of the Islamist terror Our reporter Elaine Dunkley

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joins us from Barcelona. Yes, this is Las Ramblas, a street

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hugely popular with shoppers and tourists. When FC Barcelona win a

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major title, this is where they come to celebrate with the cup. But

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things can be more different today. Thousands of been here to mourn and

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pay respects. 24 hours ago, 13 were killed and more than 100 injured

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when a van ploughed into pedestrians. Tonight, police are

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still searching for the driver of the vehicle, 18-year-old Musa bowl,

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from the capital city of guerrilla. Police told us that they managed to

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stop a bigger terrorist attack when they managed to shoot five

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terrorists in Cambrils -- Moussa Oukabir. They also used a vehicle to

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kill and injure people. The search for answers continues on

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radicalisation and extremism here in Spain.

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Ware Barcelona, a city known for tourism, and now terrorism. Like

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other major cities in Europe, it knows the feeling of loss. And,

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defiance in the face of a new threat. This is the first time that

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Spain has come under a major terror attack in more than a decade. In

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2004 there were the Madrid train bombings which killed 191 and left

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more than 2000 injured. It was the worst terror incident in modern

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European history but authorities learned by beefing up security with

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successful operations and raids and arrests, and try to integrate

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different communities. The Spanish style was sophisticated, but the

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attacks have become less so. A van used as a weapon with devastating

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effect. Leaving 13 dead and more than 100 injured on Las Ramblas.

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Police here say that it terror network of at least eight people

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were behind this attack and 170 miles away on the coastal resort of

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Cambrils. So, why here? Why now? Was it just a matter of time? Catalonia

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is self as a large Muslim community, most of Brock background. In one of

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the wealthiest regions of Spain, it is just a factor of numbers. The

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presence of this community, it has different wings, some are peaceful

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and quiet -ist, some are quite militant. Obviously you get fringes

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which go further and a red radicalisation trajectory, to

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militancy. Often radicalisation happens because of who you know and

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when you get a bad apple you get other people around that. Last year,

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Barcelona's status of a major centre of Islamic radicalism was

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highlighted by a Spanish security think tank. They found that of all

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of those detained between 2013 and 2016 for offences relating to

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Islamic State activity, more than one quarter were residents of

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Barcelona. About one third were based in the North African and the

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south of Spain, and 15% were from Madrid. There is a problem, but

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worshippers at this mosque around the corner from Las Ramblas say that

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their faith has been hijacked. He tells me that he witnessed what

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happened yesterday. The bomb exploded in the underground

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car park of a crowded supermarket... The attack yesterday also brought

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back memories of a bloody campaign by the group ETA which lasted for 40

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years, fighting for the independence of the Basque region of Spain. It

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left 400 people dead. Getting used to terrorism once again

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is a grim thought, but Barcelona's motto is "Daesh, we are not afraid".

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Joining me know from Barcelona is Alfred Bosch.

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He's leader of the Republican left party on Barcelona City Council.

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Alfred Bosch, thank you for coming on. We heard in that report about

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28% of those detained have come from Barcelona, for potential terror

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offences. It appears there is a problem in your city. If so, why? I

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am not sure I heard your question well. Let me try again. The report

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says around 28% of people detained in Spain on possible terror offences

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are from your city of Barcelona. Is it fair to say that you have a

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problem there? Well, it is fair, that we have the same problem that

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New York has, Paris has, London has, Munich, Berlin, Madrid, Nice, etc.

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Obviously, this is a cosmopolitan city, an open and free city. Yes, we

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are targets, as you are. So I think what comes from that, and what we

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must do, is get together internationally to fight this

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terror. It hits us all. We are all targets, also here in Barcelona we

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are very much aware of that and we've got to do something together.

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So how do you balance? Your city has a global and enviable reputation as

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being a great place to go and a great place to party. And you have

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the freedoms there. Now you have the threat as well and you have to

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protect your own citizens and tourists who come to your great

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city. How do you balance the two? First of all, not giving up. We must

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not give up, we must not surrender. As I said, this is a free and open

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city. We love democracy. We love to have fun. We love hard work. Right

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behind me, you have Las Ramblas, where everything happened. This war,

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this boulevard, crosses the old city of Barcelona. This is a stream of

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light and life. The first thing we have to do is say no, we are not

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afraid. That is what thousands of people are spontaneously saying. We

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had to say firstly, no, we will not give up. We will not bow to terror

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and two killers. That is what they are. They are killers. That is the

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first thing we have said, we have said it all day. It is an important

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message. It is important that you are informing and listening to us,

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from the UK and all over the world. Knowing that this is also a

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cosmopolitan city. Las Ramblas here is a cosmopolitan war, promenade.

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That is what they are going for through the whole world. The target

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is cosmopolitan. We had to rise and we are doing this already, to say no

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to that. It is the right thing to do but, Mr Bosch, if you look elsewhere

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in the world, countries like Tunisia and Egypt, their tourist industry

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has been badly affected. In London we have a target area twinned with

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you in Barcelona which was the sight of a London attack, and many of

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their stores, the trade there has gone down. How do you combat that in

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Barcelona? We encourage all of you. That is a direct message to the

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people listening and watching us right now. Please, help us. Please

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help us. The best way you can help us is by coming here. Supporting us.

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If you have plans to come to Barcelona, please come here. We are

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not going to surrender and you had to help us in that regard. You are

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already doing it. I must acknowledge that and thank you for that. Of

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course. You talk about help. There is the report the Spanish government

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is suggesting that authorities in Catalan are not helping as much as

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they might with the Spanish government. What can you tell us

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about that and how accurate is that? No, please. There's been very

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serious about this. We are talking about people being killed. We are

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talking about kids. I was in Las Ramblas, there was a small girl

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saying... Talking to her mum saying they are leaving teddy bears there

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because children got killed here. Please, let's respect those fallen.

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I'd totally am... I totally am respecting. The police have been

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excellent. The cooperation is as good as it can be. Please let me say

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this, because it is true. The police have been excellent, emergency

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services have been excellent. They have avoided greater harm. You know

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it perfectly well. They were planning explosives here. Hundreds

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of people, hundreds of casualties, they could have been killed here.

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They have done a very good job. They have avoided other attacks in the

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past and they will in future. Now, what happened? The same that

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happened in New York, Paris and London. You all know it and have

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experienced it. Let's be reasonable and thank the police for all they

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are doing. Lastly, how long before Barcelona is restored to its tubular

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and, joyful, colourful self, how we remember it and how we know it? --

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GPL and. This morning, I was walking down Las Ramblas, I live a couple of

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blocks from this central nerve. The emotional nerve of the city, as you

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know. I saw people recovering, and people rising already. Saying no, we

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will not accept this. We will go back to normal. We will be our

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themselves, our own radiant, happy, hard-working and joyful selves. I

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think that is happening already. With the help of all of the

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visitors, I must say, who are in the city because, as you know, many of

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the victims were international visitors. We have to say that also.

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This was an attack against humanity as a whole. Good luck with

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everything you are trying to achieve in Barcelona. Mr Bosch, good luck

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and best of fortune with everything. We move on.

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Donald Trump has lost his chief strategist Steve Bannon -

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fired, we understand, in what can be seen as a win

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Bannon played a prominent role in the president's "America First"

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election campaign message - and has been accused of harbouring

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anti-Semitic and white nationalist sentiments.

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With the mounting controversy over the death of an anti racist

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protestor in Charlottesville, Bannon's role was

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But, it was after an interview this week where he undermined

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the president on North Korea that it looks like his fate was sealed.

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So, what does this mean for the direction of travel

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David Willis joins me now. Why now? What is behind the timing? It's an

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interesting question. Steve Bannon was, of course, one of the

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architects of Donald Trump's victory in the presidential election last

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year. He was behind the right wing website Breitbart News. In recent

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weeks, he has been accused of leaking to the press, he gave a

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controversial interview to a liberal magazine here. A few days ago. As

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you mentioned in your introduction, he appeared to contradict the Trump

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administration's position on North Korea. He is known to have clashed

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with others close to President Trump. Including his son-in-law,

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Jared Kushner. And his daughter, Ivanka Trump. People Steve Brannon

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brands" the globalists" in the White House, the new chief of staff, John

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Kelly, has basically been looking to install a sense of discipline into

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the White House. He has apparently had Steve Bannon under review for

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several weeks. Today, a very brief statement was issued, saying that

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Steve Bannon would be leaving as of today. As for what he does now,

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there are suggestions that Steve Bannon may go back to Breitbart News

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and continues to be highly influential on the right wing of

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American politics. That was going to be my next question. If he does do

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that, as is being mooted, what may the effect be on Trump and his

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administration? Well, it depends whether he offers support from his

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new perch, or criticism. Breitbart News has been particularly critical

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of some in the administration. HR McMaster, the National Security

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Advisor among them, and Steve Bannon has been pretty open in his

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opposition to those sorts of people. But, you know what? We have seen a

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lot of people leaving this administration in recent weeks.

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Among them, the press spokesman and director of Communications, the

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White House chief of staff. Now, the chief strategist, Steve Bannon, is

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out the door. Some may speculate that perhaps the era of chaos is

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coming to an end, but Donald Trump remains his own man. As we have seen

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this week in his comments about events last week in Charlottesville,

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Virginia. There is enough to keep you busy in

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this story for weeks and months ahead. Thank you.

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In many ways the life of Sir Bruce Forsyth

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is the life of TV light entertainment in Britain.

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Actor, singer, dancer, musician and of course TV

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The list of his talents was matched by the ease

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His death at the age of 89 arguably brings to a close the golden

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# Nursie, Nursie, I'm getting worsie

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I used to go and see the Fred Astaire films,

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or any film that had dancing in it.

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And I'd be intrigued by the dancing, and I'd come home and

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dance away for sometimes hours, in a room all by myself.

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I wanted to, if I didn't make it, get out.

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Maybe go more into the musical side of the

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Then I got into the Palladium, which turned everything around.

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The first thing about audience participation is you've got

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I see your jokes are a bit like that, aren't they?

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I've loved it because you never know what's going

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If somebody says something, I like to come back at them.

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Or if they do something, I love to pounce on it.

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After I did that radio show with you, I did Have

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That was the big turning point, wasn't it?

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Here you go, here's Bruce, 74, 75 years old,

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invited to go on Have I Got News For You?

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You blew away all of the other guest hosts.

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Tony Blair insists that weapons of mass destruction will

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Well, it would be nice to see them, to see them...

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The other thing you are doing is Come Dancing is coming back?

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It's going to be Pro Am Come Dancing!

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Professional dancing with celebrities learning how to dance.

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My headmaster said, I can't give you a very good

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report because you've had so little schooling.

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I said don't worry, sir, I'm going into a

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business where they go by what they see you can do.

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We're joined by Arlene Phillips who - of course -

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worked with Sir Bruce on Strictly Come Dancing

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and by his friend the actor Christopher Biggins.

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Can I start with you, Arlene, people talked about a triple threat,

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somebody who can sing, dance, he could do everything, sing, dance,

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tell jokes, present, how did he do it? I think he is a consummate

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showman. He started when he was 11 years old, but before that he was

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doing his thing, tapping, and Bruce never stopped working. Not just in

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terms of training but in rehearsal, going over things. So he worked hard

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at being Mr showbiz. He worked hard at staying fit, didn't he? Very

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hard. I saw some of the tapes of his dancing, that was phenomenal. Bruce,

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to retain his balance, used to spin 80 times a day and to the left. 80

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times a day? Absolutely, he was warming up, he would constantly work

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his body, and sometimes even on Strictly just before he had to go on

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you would see him almost revving himself up like a car getting

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himself ready to go out there and entertain. Christopher Plummer I saw

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you chuckle when we watched that report, particularly Play Your Cards

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Right, I honestly don't think there is any other entertainer that this

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country has ever had that could have carried that off. Absolutely, he is

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a consummate professional, he was brilliant. I remember, he was a

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friend when I was a child because he was always in our sitting-room at

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home with the family, and we sat there laughing at this man. It was

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like having a sort of television uncle. He was brilliant. He was

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brilliant year after year after year in different shows, different

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genres, he was fantastic, movies, everything he did, dancing, singing,

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and when I met him I remember he was enchanting. A lovely story, if you

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years ago I was on a cruise somewhere in the world and I got a

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phone call from him and I thought it was very odd and I said hi, how are

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you? I said I'm very well. I wanted to use you as a joke in this truly

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come dancing on Saturday and I wanted to check that you are all

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right with it, and he told me they gag, and I said absolutely, and he

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put it in. I've been thinking all night what the gag was but I can't

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remember but it was a funny gag and it involved me. That was the funny

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gentleman that he was. First on TV in 1939, and think how society has

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changed, how Britain has changed, he was at the London Palladium in the

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60s, how did he do that? Society changed, tastes changed, but he

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stayed top of the game. He proved time and time again that he was this

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entertainer par excellence. He was brilliant. I can't think of anyone

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today who could touch him, or anybody then. He has been unique all

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these years. Coming back to Strictly, I saw him many times,

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Arlene and if a contestant possibly stomach had a bit of a slating,

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possibly justified, he would metaphorically and sometimes

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literally put the arm around the shoulder. Absolutely and I remember

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when Matt DeAngelo was in the semifinal and he couldn't remember

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the dance and he just sat down on the steps to the stage and Bruce, I

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saw his face genuinely heartbroken that someone was so troubled that

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they couldn't continue the dance. He wouldn't like it. If Craig says

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something, or I said something and he didn't like it, he was really

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angry, I mean genuinely, it wasn't an act. Did you ever have any sort

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of offstage heated exchanges? I didn't have hot heated exchanges,

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however, we used to discuss the fact how much he loved it, I would say

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Mark Ramprakash's hips were fabulous, Bruce loved it, he wanted

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more, you know, don't stop. Some people said he was also a tremendous

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producer or director in his own right, he had and I and could almost

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direct the show himself and if you look at his game shows he was moving

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the camera and the contestants. And he would put people into situations

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which were hysterical. It was wonderful. In my own way I've done

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things in pantomime but never like him. He was doing this with groups

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of people. It just went on and on and on, his talent. He possibly was

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a product of vaudeville, if you will allow that. Because we don't have

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vaudeville, could perform like this return? That is a good question. We

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get very good comedians now, we get very good singers and we get very

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good dancers, we get very good actors. But not one that does

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everything. That is what is so extraordinary about Bruce. He was a

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brilliant, brilliant dancer. His tap with Sammy Davis Junior was a

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symphony of tap, the sounds they made and the brilliance of the small

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taps. Something like that, you work at

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that, clearly he was a gifted individual and had an eye but he

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worked very hard. Yes. Very hard working. What was also so great

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about Bruce was he was a family man. Pour Winnie who was gorgeous and the

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love of his life, and his children who I believe were there today for

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the last moments -- poorer. I think it's extraordinary what talent he

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had. Thank goodness he got his knighthood. Yes. So well-deserved.

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It meant a lot to him. Christopher and Arlene Phillips, thank you for

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coming in, not for the right reasons. But thank you. Let's

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returned to Steve Bannon who has been fired in the last few hours,

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and what this means for the direction of travel for the trumpet

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administration. I'm joined by Richard Painter who worked in that

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White House under George W Bush as his chief ethics lawyer. Thank you

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for joining us. You have been critical with some of your messages.

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Surely the President has woken up to public opinion and he's ready to put

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things right. Ready to congratulate him? This is definitely a step in

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the right direction to remove Mr Steve Bannon but there are others in

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the White House with connections with the altar -- alt-right. This is

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a dangerous group, the spread of racist stereotypes on the Internet

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and encouraging even more extremist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and

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Nazis rallying in Charlottesville. The altar -- alt-right has sought to

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influence our foreign policy, Sebastian Gorka is still in the

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White House who is still very much a threat to our foreign policy. He has

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an obsession with Muslims and wants as in a confrontational posture

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towards Muslims throughout the world, which is definitely not in

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the American interest. Stephen Miller is still in the White House,

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he has connections with the alt-right. There are others with

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extremist views. They all need to be removed if the President is going to

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seek to stabilise this administration and convince the

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Republicans in the House and the Senate and the American people that

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he is capable of being an effective leader, much less of course the

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Democrats, who may never want to really accept him. But at this point

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the Republicans are very frustrated, and certainly getting rid of Steve

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Bannon is a step in the right direction. But there is more work to

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be done. What now for Mr Steve Bannon? Is there a danger he could

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be a thorn in the side for the President and that he could cause

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issues if he reconnected with that fan base the President had? We are

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concerned about that, concerned about him going back to Breitbart

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News. Breitbart News is engaged in extensive race dating over the last

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few years -- baiting. And it was a self-proclaimed platform for the

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alt-right so if he goes back to Breitbart News and encourages more

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of this alt-right business we may see more unrest in our cities, as we

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did in Charlottesville, and then there might very well be attempts to

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influence the White House, and that would be most unfortunate. There are

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some ethics rules in place that prohibit Steve Bannon for lobbying

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back to the White House on behalf of Breitbart News and I hope they are

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taken seriously and unforced. You speak understandably dismissively of

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what Bannon and the President achieved but they are only there

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because they got a lot of votes so they clearly appealed to a lot of

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Americans, white? They did get a lot of votes, they didn't get as many as

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there are quite unpopular rival Hillary Clinton. They were very

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unsatisfied with both alternatives. We are in a situation where

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Americans have given Donald Trump a chance. It's been eight months and

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his approval rating is way down on where he started in the White House.

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I think it's time for the President to recalibrate what they've been

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doing. Has he got time? Sorry to talk over you. Has he got time to

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recalibrate? I don't think he has much time because people are losing

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patience, his lost the support of the business community, the chief

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executive officers quit his industrial council just a few days

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ago. So he needs to make a clean sweep of the altar -- alt-right out

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of the administration and fire Sebastian Gorka and the rest of the

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Majri fire his policy to focus on the issues the American people care

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about, making sure we have health care for all Americans and that we

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stabilise the economy. Great to talk to you, sorry to talk over you,

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Richard Painter, thank you for your time.

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But, on a day of sad news, Newsnight has had to digest

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Liz MacKean, a former BBC reporter who worked

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on Newsnight for 14 years, has died aged 52.

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Liz reported on hundreds of stories for this programme but made her name

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for her tenacious and fearless investigations, into the care

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system, into toxic waste dumping and child sex abuse,

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including the Jimmy Savile investigation which blew

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Liz's former colleagues and friends David Grossman and producer

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Liz MacKean was one of the most resourceful and determined

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As Newsnight's Northern Ireland correspondent, she was fearless in

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challenging the paramilitary hard men.

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The IRA may not have authorised his murder and Robert's

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sister's acknowledged that, but the fact that its members

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could have carried it out, covered it up and

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then ordered witnesses to stay silent demonstrates the hold the

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She made her name, though, with investigations.

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She picked difficult subjects and was always on the side

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of victims who had been ignored, disbelieved, or worse.

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Newsnight has obtained documents that...

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In 2010 she shared the Daniel Pearl Award

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for Investigative Journalism for her reporting on the dumping of toxic

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The flood of allegations about Jimmy Savile's behaviour...

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It was, though, for her investigations into

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child sex abuse, with which Liz made the biggest impact.

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Together with producer Meirion Jones, she

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worked to expose the appalling crimes of Jimmy Savile.

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She believed the investigation was suppressed by

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the BBC, and the resulting scandal made headlines all over the world.

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The decision not to run it was seriously flawed.

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Feeling let down and rather out in the cold, Liz left the

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Her investigations for Channel 4 went on

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She was named journalist of the decade by Stonewall.

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His accusers were ignored and then others were abused.

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She was, though, above all a wonderfully fun woman, the perfect

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companion for a decompression drink once the day's filming

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Occasionally, her humour found its way onto the screen.

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Here she is puncturing the absurd conventions of

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And what's this got to do with the wider debate about trust?

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I was asking that question to thin air.

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Liz also loved being outdoors, sailing

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Her final tweet, just a week before her death, was a picture

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Now, we're coming into the Newsnight studio...

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Liz took her journalism very seriously but never

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ailment of the investigative journalist, the serious ego.

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Sorry, everyone, I forgot what I was trying to say.

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Liz leaves behind her wife and her two children.

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Good evening, the weather looks more promising for

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