24/08/2017 Newsnight


With Emma Barnett. What do the new migration statistics mean for Theresa May? Plus a look at how well the customs border works between Norway and Sweden and the new GCSE system.

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For years the Government believed many international students


Today we find out almost none of them do.


So what credibility should we give the migration statistics?


This new data undermines a lot of what we thought


we knew about how many people come to live here.


The hottest topic in British politics


turns out to be the area in which we've been worst informed.


We'll ask a leading Brexiteer and a prominent Remainer,


if Government policy has long been based on dodgy data.


We've been to the border between Norway and Sweden.


Ministers here think it's a model for a future frictionless border


between Northern Ireland and the Republic.


What you think about the customs here? I think it is completely clap,


it takes a long time, it is not easy. -- pony.


Hundreds of thousands of teenagers opened their GCSE


Do you know what a Grade 4 in maths actually means?


And what's the difference between a "good pass"


We'll debate the merits of the new marking system.


And, shameless cash grab, or the greatest


UFC Champion Conor McGregor, and undefeated boxer


On the surface today's immigration figures look


Net migration has fallen to the lowest level for three years


after a surge in the number of EU nationals leaving the UK


Net migration, the difference between those entering


fell 81,000 to 246,000 in the year to March 2017.


from hitting her target to reduce net migration


But the figures also reveal that the problem of non EU migrants


overstaying their visas is simply not as big an issue


Far, far fewer international students end up overstaying


their visas than the Home Office has always claimed.


Here's our Policy Editor, Chris Cook.


VOICEOVER: As Home Secretary, Theresa May picked a fight with


universities, in her determination to get net migration down to under


100,000 a year, students from outside the EU were a prime target.


We welcome students coming to study, but the fact is, too many of them


are not returning home as soon as their visa runs out. If they have a


graduate job, that is fine, if not, they must return home. So I don't


care what university lobbyists say, the rules must be enforced.


Students, yes, overstays, no. Overstay as were a critical issue to


her, how many of them were there? In migration, the most important data


source is the International passenger survey, how we monitor net


migration targets. It stations people at ports and airports with


clipboard, asking travellers about their duration of stay in Britain


and why they came. It is the source of estimates in migration into the


country and emigration out of date. When Theresa May gave her speech,


the latest figures showed an hundred and 31,009 EU students arriving, but


only 38,000 leaving. A gap of 93,000 people. Lots of whom might be


overstayers. There was a waiting reason to doubt these numbers, they


did not match the sources of data we have, for example, the immigration


accords universities have two hold about former students. -- records.


These former students also were not showing up in the national Insurance


database. -- have to. And they did not show up in surveys like the


labour Force survey, where were they? Now we have quite a good


answer, new border checks data suggests the international passenger


survey is simply not very good. The reliability of the international


passenger survey depends upon whether people and set accurately to


questions on why are you coming here and do you intend to stay for longer


than one-year? For many people, especially students, the answers may


not be correct, or indeed, may not be known to the person at the time


they are asked the question. The new data shows up how bad IPS has been,


we know that 181,000 student Visas expired, and 176,000 were known to


have left. The number of overstayers, at most, 4600, 2.6%. A


review of student migration has now been commissioned from the


Independent migration advisory committee. Clearly, the IPS has been


considered as the best possible tool that we have got for determining


this. I have argued for a long time, indeed before the migration advisory


committee was established, that we needed something that was


independent of government, that was verifiable in terms of the


evidential base. There was more to the students squeeze than


overstaying, she wanted fewer students staying on legitimately,


too, but overstayers got outsized importance and so this data matters


politically. Today's announcements tell us that government has really


listened to the university sector, we very strongly welcome the way in


which they are now trying to provide an evidence -based account of the


role of international students, and we think what that will allow us to


do is create a policy in cooperation with government, especially


important after Brexit. Some people have suggested the right response to


the student migration data problem is to remove students from the


migration target, that does not really make sense. This student data


problem, illustrates that one of two things is write about the remaining


international passenger survey: if it is making catastrophic errors


about the total number of immigration into Britain or there


are other huge offsetting errors in other parts of the survey. The


passenger survey makes for a pretty lousy migration measure, it should


be replaced, the key question today, why the Home Office and Theresa May


put so much weight on it for so long.


So, if entire chunks of government policy have been crafted around


migration figures which are simply inaccurate, as they appear to be,


what are the wider ramifications for immigration targets and Brexit?


And why has the Home Office, as overseen by Theresa May for 6


years, used data that may have painted a misleading picture?


Joining me now is the Labour MP and spokesperson for Open Britain


that is campaigning against a so called hard-Brexit,


and the Tory MP and prominent Leaver,


Good evening, both of you, Peter, you are in a good mood... I will try


not to... I will use facts, if I may, we will come to the bigger


picture in a moment, as the film showed, the problem of non-EU


migrants overstaying in the UK seems to have been widely overstated. What


I want to understand is, how are we in a position where the Home Office


has been using bogus data? I don't think you can say that,


there is an enquiry to... They have called an enquiry, the fact that


they have done that would point to a problem. It is good to look at it


but today's... There must be a problem. We shall see if there is a


problem, don't upset me, now(!)... The real point today about the


figures is we have seen a huge drop in net migration by 80,000, lowest


for three years. Still a lot... I'm going to come to that point, I made


that clear, could you address my question, we are aware of the fact


there will be an enquiry, you have said that, is it not concerning


two-year and to the rest of the UK, that there has been misleading data


that has been coming through the Home Office, a big part of Theresa


May's standing up and talking to people about these figures has been,


that there is an issue, especially with students, they were used


regularly, overstaying Visas, we now know it is tiny, the figure is tiny.


I don't know where you are saying everyone is talking about students,


my constituents were not talking about students... Your leader was.


The issue in the country, however much the BBC wants to move away from


this, it is a good news story... You don't seem to be able to answer my


question, are you not concerned... I have never been concerned about


students coming to this country, I cannot be concerned about things


that I have never been concerned about. Your leader has been, let me


put a different question to you, Home Secretary for six years, good


reputation in that job, and... You does. That is not my own opinion,


I'm... I'm not here to have views, you are here to answer questions,


and I'm trying to ask these questions... These figures,


imposition of review, do they not show that Theresa May, looking --


she has been looked at in a damaging light, "strong and stable" Home


Secretary. I don't know where you got the idea that there was a big


issue about student numbers, it was not there in the country, I have


been relaxed about it, it is right they are included in the figures


because that is how... A figure that has now been shown to be


misleading... Which figure has been misleading? Which particular figure?


Tell me which particular figure. I will tell you... Because, your


party, your government, and some of the press that support you have been


saying for many years that about 100,000 people were unwelcome,


overstaying, should not be here, and a problem. That has been exposed as


an utter falsity, as has much of the campaign that you and others were


part of to leave the European Union, you should be ashamed and very


worried that Theresa May was so closely associated to something that


has been proven to be utter rubbish. -- falsehood. That is the point,


what you say? I never campaigned in a disgraceful way about student


numbers because I have been very relaxed about the student situation,


what the problem has been is free movement from the European Union,


that has been the issue and today we have seen in courage in signs about


a number Rafael in the number of people. You don't want to address


that fact but I will bring kneel onto it, Peter Bone is in a


celebratory mood, the majority of the country voted to leave the


European Union, these figures would say that this is the right direction


of travel, surely you see today as a bit of a Democratic victory for


those people? I'm not sure what the celebration is for, what Brexit is


showing us... Macro Brexodus. Yes, Brexodus, it is


damaging, making a contribution to the country, they are leaving...


Making a contribution... I want our economy to be the best in the world,


more people to contribute to... And I want them to be confident that


they can come here. Where British people can be trained and fill


roles, absolutely support that. But the simple truth is, in the


construction sector, in the leisure sector, in the food and farming


sector, there are massive vacancies. Did you or did you not to eat today,


kneel, that anti-"Brexit" campaigners are the real patriots...


-- tweet. It is not patriotic for them to take jobs away from people


there is a finite amount of jobs. You assume that they are taking jobs


away from people, I disagree, look at the food and drink Federation


report, it shows that one third of their members are worried about


having to close as a result of not having British workers to fill...


Why don't they pay better, maybe they will get British workers,


market forces. The reason I made this Twitter post about being a


patriot, I am proud that people want to come to this country to live,


study, work, contribute, I'm proud of the contribution they have made


to the constituency. I'm very worried about the people leaving and


the message they are sending. Because that is the other side of


this, to think these are people leaving jobs that will be filled by


British people is a mistake, some of them take jobs that will not be


replaced. You cannot prove that, that is your take on it. Making


Brexodus happen, you are an unpatriotic man. He's entitled to


his opinion, I have been called a lot of things by the extreme left,


just another one today... Extreme left, if he is the extreme left,


what are you? I'm the centre ground. Great democratic debate, the EU


referendum, it was wonderful, and the result at the end was to say


that would come out of the UN we want to see immigration reduced.


That is what is beginning to happen. We asked LA long way off. You got to


the figures in the end, even if you ended up not answering my question.


Gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us.


One of the most acute challenges of Brexit


specifically regarding our large land border with the EU in Ireland.


There's already been much hand wringing from politicians about how


to solve that particular problem and there's plenty more to come


Well, one solution that has been floated by the Brexit


Secretary David Davis is to mimic the border


situation between the EU's Sweden, and Norway,


But is it really the holy gail of a frictionless 'soft' border?


And a warning, there is some strong language


Stretching across 1,000 miles, the border between Sweden and Norway is


the largest frontier of the EU and this bridge is by far the busiest


crossing. It's said to be the most technologically advanced border in


the world and is a model for the frictionless customs border between


northern and southern Ireland that politicians so desperately want. An


example of how that might be done, the committee will look at the


Norway Sweden border where you have, they're both in the sing Market but


they straddle the customs union. It's a very open border. How


frictionless is it. What do you think about the customs? It takes a


long time. It's not necessary. What does it mean for the areas around


the border? We have a lot of the people employed, taking care of


administrations made up by this border of course. It's an industry


of bureaucracy then? Yes, exactly. In 1995, Sweden joined the EU but


Norway didn't. Although Norway is in she thinkle and the single market,


it's not in the customs union. And that means different laws and taxes


on different imports and exports with inevitable problems. There's no


import tax on garlic in Norway but there is import tax on garlic in the


EU. So if I was in Norway and I decided I wanted to buy some garlic


and then I walked over that bridge without declaring it and tried to


sell it in Sweden, I would be breaking the law. The garlic example


sounds ridiculous, but garlic smuggling actually happens. In 2013,


international arrest warrants were placed on two British men for


smuggling ?8 million of Chinese garlic into the EU via Norway. And


so, customs checks have to take place between Norway and Sweden.


These ladies are head of customs on the Norwegian side of the border.


This is a Polish lorry? Yes. That is right. You are interested in what is


inside it? Yes. He has declared some goods. We have the paper for it and


now we have to look if there is something else. To check what is


actually in there? Yes. It's doors and windows on the trailers, so I


can't see anything other than what he has declared. Quite a lot of work


to find out what is in all of these lorries? Yes. This camera helps us a


lot. Not all the lorries are scanned, but of those that do, not


everyone behaves themselves. Yes. This is all the things... Alcohol


and cigarettes are considerably cheaper in Sweden and taxes are


lower on things like textiles. So if you haven't declared them, they get


confiscated. Norway and Sweden collaborate closely and the customs


process is almost completely automated. You can even download an


app so that you can declare your goods on your phone. But truckers


still have to stop for between five and ten minutes, and much longer if


there are queues. Some truckers are fine with that. What do you think


about the trucker process? It's not a problem for me, I'm from Sweden so


it's fine. Others are less enthusiastic. The people here say it


takes about ten minutes? That's not correct. If you come here on a


Sunday evening, first I have to wait two hours. So the queue takes a long


time? Yes. They say they've tried to prioritise


things here, according to the Mayor. We have this year managed to get rid


of two or three more of them. When we first joined the European Union,


the ambulance in Sweden had to go via the custom control in Norway.


And they were supposed to pay for the different drugs and equipment


they had in the ambulance and they'll have the money back when


they returned. But carrying a sick person, it wasn't possible to go via


the custom control. That wasn't an easy thing to solve because it was


obvious to everyone that you can't have it like that. But there's one


key detail that makes this border so attractive to British politicians -


that a bridge just down the river from this crossing helpfully


illustrates. You may notice something different on this bridge


between Sweden which is just over there and Norway behind me. And that


is that there aren't any trucks or lorries on it. And that's for a


reason. There are ten customs checks between Norway and Sweden and


traders have to use these routes. Other crossings don't have customs


checks and are monitored by cameras. Last week, Newsnight's David


Grossman illustrated the soft border Ireland currently has. Wanna see how


soft this border is right now? That is van is in the republic, now it's


in the UK. The only hint it's gone from one country to another, the


speed limit signs go from metric to imperial. If the UK were to emulate


the Swedish Norwegian model for a normal punter not in the import


export business, they really won't notice much of a difference. For


truckers, it's a different story. There is hope for a true


frictionless border though. Sweden and Norway intend to pilot next year


using number plate recognition in order to automatically approve some


vehicles. Can it be done technically, can something scan the


lorries? Yes, they can scan the lorries and the registration plates.


And that technology exists? The technology is there already. It's


not implemented, it's not installed. To implement this technology, Martin


says, means changing legislation which Norway, Sweden and the EU


needs to approve. Not an easy task. David Davis is right to say that the


Swedish Norwegian border is something to look at. But is it


frictionless? Well, not quite. This year 16-year-olds could be


forgiven for feeling like they need an extra GCSE


to understand their exam results. This morning students in England


received a mixture of numbers Numbers from one to nine


for English and Maths and the traditional A,


B, C letters for everything else. Grade 4 itself is


a deemed as a 'pass'. Grade 5 is said to be


a 'strong pass' splitting And for the brightest students -


the old 'A star' and 'A' grades Grade 9 is the very top mark -


and only achieved by a very The new system will be rolled


out across all subjects The government claims this


it is designed to make GCSEs harder, will drive up standards -


but will the reforms And which students could risk


getting lost in a new setup, already facing criticism


for favouring the most able pupils? Joining me now are the outgoing head


of Bedford Free School, Mark Lehain who is leaving to persue


a career in education policy. Laura McInerney, Editor


of Schoolsweek who used to be And Francis Gilbert -


a teacher for 20 years and was one of the founders of the Local Schools


Network. Is it worth the bother to have this


complete change of the system? I think in the end it will be


actually. I've been up since early because it was results day at my


school and it's been a really, really positive buzzy day and


there's been lots of lovely news to share with our students. From our


students and talking to colleagues in other schools, students have got


their head around the fact that they have a mixture of grades this year


and it will be the same again next sun ever. -- summer. We are good at


getting ourade around the system. But what is the benefit to the


change? I'm also a maths teacher as well as a head teacher so I've


taught the big fat massive GCSE and I've loved it. The students have


done the foundation paper, grappling topics they might not have seen


before. More challenging? Absolutely. And students have been


getting stuck in, the top end. Let's talk about those in the middle.


Papers will be filled with the eights, nines, but what about people


around the four and five mark, Laura, does the new system hurt them


more? This is where we have got a slightly strange situation because


the Government have said the four is a standard pass and the five is a


strong pass and it's not clear what that means. There is a concern that


around one in five children who last year would have got a C which was


just considered a pass and would get you into university and could get


you into a job for example. Or an apprenticeship? Yes, which require a


C. Now if those people ask for a five, there's one in five this year


who got a four that might miss out. So we have a slightly odd situation


in the middle and the Government haven't done a lot to clear that up.


Employers have already said they're confused by this. They're left in


limbo? Employers have always been confused. When you look at the


surveys, they weren't clear on GCSEs either. But they're OK now going


into college but we don't know what university is going to do.


16-year-olds today might feel OK but in two years' time they might face a


barrier. That is what is confusing. Do you see any merit in being


ambitious and making the exams tougher and splitting the grade at


the top and sometimes lower down because actually we need to


understand where people are coming in? I would Dispute they're not


tougher at all. I would say this massive concentration in on teaching


in a test in a few hours on the other hand measures someone's


ability over their whole school career is really troubling. I would


get rid of the GCSEs completely and have us rethink the whole system


because all students now go on to stay until 18 and we need to give


them a rounded creative education which these GCSEs are not doing. I


specialise in English and I certainly know that I've seen too


many classes where it's just teaching to the test and the


teachers aren't to blame for this, it's because central Government have


got an obsession with the league tables. But that's not just come


about with this system? No, it was there before. This Government have


put rocket boosters on that. Mark, do you recognise any of that,


teaching to test, it's not a full education now, it's all about the


exam? No, of course I would dispute that. That's not why we go into the


profession. But it might be the system... It's exam factories up and


town the countries, the teachers aren't to blame, it's the


politicians. Let him come back on that. Exam factories? We have always


had the challenge about making sure you get the results at the end. That


is nothing to do with the new grade systems. For me, the joy has been


walking into the classes in my school. We are a new school so we


have had to switch from getting our head around the old system to the


new system in a short time. The joys has been going into the lessons and


seeing my colleagues step up. What about creative subjects, drama,


music, being cut back for the ex-tense of... No, no. The obsession


with these kind of other... With respect, that's a leadership


decision within a school. We have increased the art. That


won't better GCSEs. It has everything to do with the way the


Government's obsessively focussed on a few narrow subjects. I won't get


you to agree on this, but Laura, you would like to see a return to


O-levels wouldn't you and another system entirely? We have had a lot


of change already so anything where we say rip everything up won't go


down well. It would save millions of pounds. Let her finish. The original


plan Michael Gove wanted was to reform things at the top end, we


needed to get that differentiation for children who were very, very


bright. What got missed was his plan to do something at the bottom end


which is that children get very, very low grades. Some will have got


a three, two or one and it's being considered a fail. Michael Gove's


original plan was almost to split GCSEs in half and to enable some


students to do more deeper but less content, if you like, so they could


learn maybe two topics in history instead of four, do those over the


two years and get one half of the GCSEs, then get the other half


between the age of 16-18. These reforms are only helped the


brightest and we have left the rest without any reform at all. Let me


bring you back in, Mark. I know you have set up this school, you are


leaving it to do other things but staying within education. It's very


well you saying it's been a lovely day with celebrations, but parents


and students will be watching who it wasn't a lovely day for. What are


you doing to support those who now have no idea whether their four or


five means they can get to the new stage because nobody really knows


what it means? You can never know what the future holds but in the


end, we have been really good at addressing changes we have had in


the past. What have you said to those pupils today? Just as we have


seen universities this year, just what they have been asking students


in order they can fill their courses, it's inevitable you will


find universities are not the answer. These pupils are the Guinea


pigs and there's been a lot of change. Regardless of your view, we


have had three Education Ministers in a matter of years and there's


been huge changes. What have you said to pupil who is 're in limbo?


The most important thing they can do now is to make sure that what they


do next they do really, really well, be it an apprenticeship, A-levels or


something else. Everyone has to stay in training until they're 18. If


they haven't achieved the grade they need, they have a year or two to


sort it out. I have to say, we have got to give our profession, students


and families the credit because they've stepped up to the challenge


when other things have happen and we are really good on that. Thank you


very much. teacher! Spirited debate. Six hundred thousand of us visit


Morocco on holiday every year. But there is a dark side


to the country that most of us just associate with sun


and seaside and soukhs. Last week a group of teenagers


collectively raped a 24-year-old in a bus in broad


daylight in Casablanca. No one stopped them


and the woman did not report it. The attack was filmed and put


on social media sparking outrage. And yesterday protests took place


across the country in solidarity Amnesty International's Fadwa


Elbooamrawee joins us from Rabat. Good evening. How big a problem...


This... And how big a problem is sexual violence against women in


Morocco? Indeed, this is not a first-time issue, as you mentioned,


this is part of a widespread phenomenon that has been happening


in this country for years now. As a human rights organisation, along


with the other national and international organisations, we have


been calling for years for the government is to be more proactive


and find real solutions to put an end to its violence against women.


And girls, especially in the public space. So far, we are still quite


disappointed with the way things have been going on, with, you know,


the governmentgovernment's work on this issue, as we have seen over the


latest reaction from the government on this video and rape incidents on


the bus, we are still disappointed. They have been mentioned vaguely, in


clear terms that the government will be working on a strategy, and a


mechanism to put an end to all of this. But then again, the


government, through unclear statements, does not clarify


exactly, you know, how it is supposed to work on this. They are


not clarifying the nature of the strategy. And so... We are still...


Can I just... I want to bring to the audience's attention, I did not know


this, only in 2014, a matter of three years ago, has it become


against the law to rape an underage girl, and get out of prosecution by


marrying her! Have attitudes changed since the law was amended? Not much,


to be honest, this is again another issue that we have to deal with and


we are still trying to work on this, we are talking about a very


conservative society that puts, you know, higher priority on the honour


of the family. That puts priority on the honour of the girl of the family


and society in general. We are not considering a woman as an equal


citizen, and, again, when we talk about mentalities, regarding sexual


harassment, rape, there is a taboo that goes into it, this is a


patriarchal society, and the fact that since 2014, as an organisation


we have been working through a global campaign on putting an end to


violence. The one thing that is still very clear is that we are


still a long way ahead in terms of changing mentalities, and creating


actual real awareness about the issues. Thank you very much for


talking to us and giving us that perspective from Amnesty


International, talking about Morocco and it is an interesting insight and


a sad one. South Africa's main opposition party


is claiming that a major UK public relations firm has been found


in breach of an industry code of conduct following a controversial


social media campaign. As we reported a few weeks ago,


Bell Pottinger has been accused of inflaming racial tensions


in the country with the aim of boosting the image


of the President, Jacob Zuma. Manvine Rana has been


following the story. Good evening. Give us the background


to all of this and what have we specifically learnt today? So, a


disciplinary hearing heard on this on Friday, according to the


published timetable, if it had been accelerated we would have known


today, that has not happened, work in South Africa,


hired by the Gupta family, who have made millions in the last couple of


decades. This action was ruled by the opposition, it has become a huge


politically totemic action, it is a proxy war against president Jacob


Zuma himself, he is very close to this family, gather they are accused


in South Africa of corruption and political influence on such an epic


scale that it is called state capture, buying up a state to get


government contract. Bell Pottinger Were brought in to bring attention


away from this, by launching a racially divisive campaign,


basically encouraging South Africans to blame their economic woes not on


the president, and his policies, but on Wightman Okoli capital, the white


businesses who have always operated in the country. What impact, from


what we have learnt today, will it have on Bell Pottinger? -- but on


white minority capital. They will announce sanctions they will take on


September four, a couple of actions, they could expel them from the body


from itself, they could suspend them, they could still work in the


industry but since the scandal has broken, they have lost a number of


clients. I interviewed this year, he admitted as much then, they are


losing even more now, once found guilty by the industry body, it


becomes hard for... Why do you think they may have been found guilty by


the industry body? It has become so politically toxic, to be honest,


since the interview I did with the CEO, I have been contacted by a


number of people in the industry who saw this as looking so bad for the


PR industry at large, they want to detox altogether, and they feel that


if nothing is in to be done, the PR industry starts to look very bad.


Now, there has been remiss in the last two days that the CEO has


resigned, he denies it, we will wait and see, being a PR firm, if you


would resign, you would probably wait... Thank you very much.


Newsnight doesn't usually cover much sport.


Frankly, we know our strengths, but the most hyped


and possibly most absurd, sporting event of the year


takes place this weekend so we're giving it a go.


The undefeated 40-year-old Floyd Mayweather has come out of


retirement to take on the ultimate fighting Champion, Ireland's Conor


McGregor. -- The undefeated 40-year-old world


champion Floyd Mayweather has come out of retirement to meet not a


fellow boxer, but an Ultimate Fighting Champion. Ireland's


29-year-old Conor McGregor. For the uninitiated, UFC was once described


as no-holds barred human cock-fighting, but mixed martial


artist Conor McGregor looks to be the tournament's first fighter to


gain the recognition and respectability of mainstream boxing.


Saturday night's fight will be McGregor's boxing debut, but that


has not held back the hype and the trash talk.


Mayweather is also gambling a lot in the ring,


he will surpass fellow American Rocky Marciano's perfect


record of 49 fights without defeat if he beats McGregor.


But they both also have a lot to gain.


McGregor's in line for a $100 million payday


and Mayweather as much as $200 million.


And they aren't the only ones raking in the cash, the broadcasters


are set to profit as well, the fight's expected


to break the record of 4.6 million pay-per-view buys set


by Mayweather when he defeated Manny Pacquiao two years ago.


So is this just a shameless cash grab, or will it be the greatest


Joining me now from Las Vegas is Dan Hardy, a former ultimate


fighter and now a Sky commentator for Saturday night's


show, alongside the Editor of Boxing News magazine,


Are you expecting great things? I am, we are already experiencing


great things, breaking records left, right and centre, the fanfare, the


hysteria, something we have never seen, certainly in mixed martial


arts and not in boxing either, it is a special occasion.


It will bring the best out of these fighters. Conor McGregor's first


ever boxing match is this, against Floyd Mayweather, undefeated, he is


not a professional boxer...? Has been thrown in at the deep end but


this is where Conor McGregor's thrives, he has come through mixed


martial arts and rewritten the rules around self-promotion, around


performances inside the arena as well. The is a special athlete and


they do not come along very often, when you have a person like Conor


McGregor, he transcends the sport, he can step outside the octagon and


step into the boxing ring. We have to give him a chance. Nothing to do


with smelling the money, of course(!) LAUGHTER


Do you think the boxing world has underestimated Conor McGregor? You


have heard he's pretty special. I don't think we have, actually, he


certainly has something about him, magnetic personality, fantastic


fight in his own discipline, we know he has had a bit of boxing


experience as a youngster, he has been training exceptionally hard,


there has been good reports from his training camp. To make the jump to


fight somebody who has been boxing since three years old is arguably


one of the greatest fighters of all time and one of the best defensive


fighters of all time, that is a humongous, almost ludicrous leap. A


huge amount of hype about this, surely good for the boxing world?


There is certainly a lot of hype about it but my concern is... Where


does this spectacle appeal stop? Just because lots of people want to


see something, does not make it OK, where do we go next? What if Conor


McGregor wins, for example, and decides he wants to fight Anthony


Joshua, and because everybody wants to see that fight, have we got to


make it, even though it is insane... Coming back, boxing is hardly... You


could hardly say it is noble, Floyd Mayweather's nickname is money, it


is hardly as if people get into it for the noble art, isn't it. --


"Money". Know, and I did not suggest that is the case at all, no one


could deny that the vast majority of Floyd Mayweather's career has been


fuelled by his need and desire for riches. So they are pretty evenly


matched, then, maybe. Evenly matched, bank balance, they could


have a good fight! In terms of boxing, absolutely not evenly


matched. Your money is on Floyd? Yes, my money is on Floyd, my money


is on "Money". I'm commentating for Sky Sports, I have to stay


impartial... I'm here to its blame basically, there is a chance for


Conor, cannot count him out, Floyd Mayweather is great but he's 40, out


of the sport for two years, 49 training camps will take it out of


you. And problems, not necessarily the hardest puncher. His technique,


defensive boxing, is excellent. The reason people are tuning in is


because of Conor McGregor, no boxer in the world would have brought


Floyd "Money" Mayweather out of retirement. No other UFC fighter


could generate as much money as this. It will be on five live.


That is all that we have time for. Naga Muchetty will be here tomorrow


night. I'll see you soon. Goodnight. Weather feels like it is stuck in a


rut, very similar whether


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