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The obstructionist Democrats would like us not to do it but we have to
close down our government. We are building that wall.
Trump's already threatened to shut down government
Is he prepared to fall out with his own party -
Tonight we're on the Arizona border looking at the divisions
The battles being fought within the Republican Party, much like the
tensions within the Trump White House, can be seen as a fight the
globalists and the Nationalists. The wall has become a symbol of that.
We have the most expensive childcare in the world.
The Government's increasing the subsidy for working parents -
even for those who are quite well off.
But should it be targeting the very poorest families instead?
We'll hear the case both for and against.
The man who has most doggedly chronicled London is the writer
He says hIs days of footslogging across
the capital are at an end - Steve Smith takes him out
Closed against the rest of England, London was now an island, open for
business, only if your business is business.
Texas needs levies - not walls - said one US
In the wake of Hurricane Harvey, will the President have a change
of heart over his plans for the border wall with Mexico,
the ultimate soundbite of his election campaign?
Trump released photo images today for the structure
he wants to build and has vowed to shut down
government - if need be - to get the funding for it
But Trump's own legislators have other plans.
Senior Republicans are resisting spending on the controversial
wall when the money, they say, should be
The wall was meant to separate America from Mexico.
But the divide so far has been between the President
Division that points to a gulf of differences on other issues
between those who are - broadly - internationalist and those
Gabriel Gatehouse has been to the site of the wall in Arizona
Donald Trump is feuding with his own party.
At odds over trade, health care, law and order, and over the
We are building a wall on the southern border, which is
We have to close down our government.
That would be an awful decision that would backfire badly,
not just on the President but all the Republicans
Donald Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall but
So, now the president needs tens of billions of dollars from Congress
and he's likely to face opposition, not just from Democrats but from
The battle is being fought within the Republican
Party, much like the tensions inside the Trump White House
can be seen as a fight between the globalists
And the wall has become a symbol of that.
It's become the totemic issue at the heart of this battle.
Arizona, like America, is divided on the issue of the wall.
But those who want it built see opposition to it
as part of a wider pattern of obstruction of Donald Trump's
The wall represents a symbol of trespass.
It's a symbol of, don't come across here.
We stand for who we are as Americans.
By not having anything there, it's open transition.
If I behaved like they're doing in Washington, DC,
People have hope with this president.
Donald Trump won Arizona in 2016 but by a far smaller
margin than the Republican candidate in 2012.
America has not made its peace with the fact of his
presidency and that includes much of the Republican establishment.
Arizona's two Republican senators, John McCain and Jeff
Flake, have been some of the most outspoken critics of the president.
Now, as we know, Donald Trump doesn't take criticism well and he's
He's looking for candidates to challenge Jeff Flake,
a senator from his own party, when his seat is up for re-election
During a recent visit to Phoenix, the president met with Robert Graham
to sound him out as a possible challenger.
He's a former chair of the State Republican Party
and ran the President's campaign in Arizona.
Trump, he says, was elected to shake things up and
So, disrupters generally get effective, positive
change if they can ensure through the change.
And so, right now, the politics as usual people, when he
talks about draining The Swamp, he's disrupting the universe.
He's not concerned with the optics in
politics and what he says, he is concerned with the outcome.
It's been a chaotic summer in the White House.
Five senior staffers have resigned or been forced out in as many weeks.
You can think it's chaos in there but I can tell you it's
organised and intentional what they're doing.
What he's doing is he's behaving like a CEO.
When I see people like Reince Preibus go out,
it doesn't make me think he's pushing an ally that was America
first ally, I think that was somebody that really didn't
have his best endgame in mind when he was in
the White House and even before the White House,
given discussions that I had with Prebus beforehand.
In the Nationalists versus globalists
narrative, one of the biggest rift is over trade.
Donald Trump leans towards economic nationalism.
He said he'll probably pull the US out of
the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Classical Republicans, including Arizona senator, Jeff
I don't believe there's any more articulate champion
of free trade and conservative values than Senator Flake.
It's a very odd political strategy to me
but it seems he's doing everything possible to settle scores within his
own party, then expanding the playing field in terms of
The president would most likely find it a lot easier to pass
his agenda, whether it is health care or any other issue if he had
some more votes to spare in the United States Senate.
Donald Trump promised his voters he would make
The implicit reference to a bygone era has
sparked a battle for the soul of this country.
It's a battle that is also being played out in the White
House, among staffers in the Nationalists
The Republican establishment is pinning its hopes on the latter to
try to wrest back some control of the Administration.
I think there is a battle going on in the White House
in terms of control over how the president moves forward.
I would like to see that the good people on
I do believe the country is better served with
them being in key positions and continuing to fight, to try to turn
The drive from the Mexican border towards the state
capital Phoenix takes you through the town of Tombstone.
The gunfights of the old Wild West were a mixture
Hard bitten local ranchers versus Northern newcomers, looking to
We got talking to Mike, owner of the Doc Holliday saloon.
Tombstone today is a theme park shadow of its once
edgy self but still old habits die hard.
A snarky remark from a neighbour sparks off some long simmering feud.
Be a man and stand up to what you want to say.
He was the one who walked by - take care
He keeps running his mouth and I'm tired listening to it.
No, it's about what's going on in the bar.
And we are building a wall on the southern border
It turns out Mike was at the rally in Phoenix last month,
standing directly behind the president.
Mike can tell us something very important about Donald Trump.
Something his detractors often fail to understand.
With his base, his popularity is pretty much
It's like you're talking to your buddy.
It's like you're talking to somebody you know.
It's not like talking to a politician.
He turned around a couple of times and he like puts his hands out
And it just reminded me being at home with my uncles and stuff.
And I agree with pretty much everything he said.
In fact I agree with everything he said.
And so the battle for the Republican Party continues.
In the cities, the metropolitans are chipping away at
Out here in the desert, they like their politics
Joining me now is Priscilla Alvarez - Politics Editor of
Nice of you to join us. Do you think that Donald Trump is having a change
of heart about the wall? To some degree, yes. We are seeing reports
that he is backtracking. White House officials are telling Republicans
fear backtracking on the $1.6 billion they are asking for. He has
threatened the Government shutdown if he does not get funding for the
border wall. He has done that in the past. This is the second time the
White House has seen difficulty in getting this through and would
backtrack from the initial decision. This is presumably because Donald
Trump's defining policies are nativist. He is looking quite
isolated in the White House, isn't he? It goes further than that. The
Republicans have a lot of items on their agenda. We are talking about
raising the debt ceiling and relief for Harvey. They want to get the
border wall funding through those that they do not see it as a
possibility. Paul Ryan, when he was questioned about the threat posed by
Trump, he also did not see it as something that should happen. The
Government shutdown should not happen for border wall. Other agenda
items are taking priority goes up to your point, Donald Trump has always
surrounded herself with people who hold the nationalist agenda for the
a lot of is used have to do with who he surrounds himself with. Whether
we see a change in coming months as to be seen. It is fascinating. One
point is, the people who are so strongly behind the wall are his
supporters like the voices we heard in Arizona and beyond that. With
they forgive him if you let that core policy go? It is interesting. I
think his base is very gung ho about the wall. It is tangible and they
want to see it go up. There are parts of the border that are already
friends. They want to see happen. Some of the immigration restriction
-ists see other things as more important. They want to see
legislation to cut illegal immigration to the United States.
They have other policies. Whether they reconcile some immigration
restriction is to groups who want legislation passed and the base that
once the border war built, that would be the interesting thing that
will happen. -- wall. What is fascinating is the journey between
Donald Trump and the Republican Party. Do you think he is more
aligned with them now or do you think the splits that we are seeing,
whether over immigration policies, the wall or spending are getting
bigger? I think this month, September, will be a big month to
answer that exact question. He has spent the summer months criticising
leadership and Republican senators. He has blamed them for several
things like health care. There have been reports that he has been in a
feud, an ongoing feud. I think that now, as we look at tax reform and
the budget, ill be the tell tale sign. Will he push for this funding?
If he does so, will the Republicans follow him? Steve Bannon followed
shortly after by the Hungarians advise as well last week. They have
promised to make America great again from outside the White House. How
does that work? How do you, in the lobby, explain that? Are they
supporting Donald Trump or undermining the White House?
David Simmonds -- Steve Bannon was editor at Breitbart and he is back
there and it is likely he will push the same thing they are pushing
which is pushing these agenda items and pushing for an Thai immigration
laws and immigration is a big part of this. What that is going to do is
continue. They will get louder. It is going to be Trump who has to face
that and it will be his White House that decides how they react to it.
Thank you very much. Thank you. Childcare in this country
is just about the most A full-time nursery place costs -
on average - more than ?150 So there should be plenty of parents
of three and four year olds in England today celebrating
the news that, from today, they're eligible for an extra 15
hours of free childcare And that's on top of the 15
hours they already get. But are we funding free
childcare the right way? Is it time for a radical rethink
on what free childcare is for? For years, all three and four year
olds have been eligible for up to 15 That's regardless of
whether their parents work, From now on, that will double to 30
hours a week during term time. For the extra entitlement,
both parents have to work and earn at least ?120 a week,
although if either Mum or Dad earns more than ?100,000 a year,
they no longer qualify. Some think the whole system
pumps too much money They say it should be
scrapped completely, with the money redirected
to the poorest in society. This policy is unlikely to benefit
the poorest children because either their parents don't
work or they don't work long Instead, what we could find is that
they're even more disadvantaged by the policy because nursery
providers might have to prioritise those children who are eligible
for the 30-hour entitlement and whose parents do earn more
money, or they don't get enough funding from government
and therefore don't have enough money to invest in high-quality,
well-staffed provision There was a time when not only
was childcare inaccessible to the poor, but a chimney sweep
could take his three year old to work with him,
as in this clip from 1933. Parents don't always know best,
but it used to be taken for granted that they were the best people
to bring up children. Why now, in an age of austerity,
are we spending so much money having Well, schools often argue it's good
for very young children to experience playing in groups,
so perhaps a social benefit. It's also argued that people
who want to go back to work, but couldn't afford
to without the free places, Our research suggests
that if anything at all, it will increase parental
employment, but only slightly, and only
for mothers who have no other One reason why this is the case
is that when offered with free childcare,
parents don't use Instead, they reduce the number
of hours of childcare that they pay for, or the number of hours
of informal childcare provided For many parents, it's
a make-or-break issue. The cost of childcare -
along with mortgages - the biggest outgoing
in their family budget. But is this the right way to be
going, is the money getting to the right people,
is it benefiting the kids? Joining me now from Manchester
is the Labour MP and former Shadow Education Secretary Lucy Powell,
who is calling for just such And with me is David Simmonds,
the Conservative Vice Chairman Lucy Powell, you would tear up
the new system and start again, Well, not just the very poorest. I
think what we have got to have with the early years is some really clear
policy objectives and I think what your film showed as the myriad of
schemes that we have are failing many objectives at the same time.
There are two reasons why the state should invest in early years and
childcare. One is to support working families to go back to work, to
boost maternal employment rates. And the second is for social mobility
reasons, to close and narrowed that developmental and educational gap
that exists already by the age of five. So why would you not wanted to
go as widely you could? Both reasons apply to nearly all families, right?
Yes, they can do, but what we are seeing under this government is the
skewing of that money now very much focused on working families. And
better off working families, not even lower income working families.
A report I published yesterday with the social market foundation, the
analysis found that of the new money the Government is going to be
spending over this Parliament on the early years, 75% of that, ?9
billion, is going on the top half of earners and the most disadvantaged
families will seem less than 3% of that money. You just cannot justify
that. David, it is hard to argue against focusing on the poorest in
society, is it? There would be many disappointed parents if the scheme
being rolled out where to be scrapped, including me. When the
childcare for low income families was first introduced in 2013, the
Government gave a commitment that when it could afford to do it, it
would expand that scheme so many more families including higher
income families, could access it for the reasons outlined in your
introduction, it is amongst the most expensive month dress childcare in
the world. This is the fulfilment of a promise when childcare was
introduced for lower income families that it would also be made available
to others. So you are now, as an ethos, the party of working parents,
of working mothers? Councils are involved at the front line of making
sure that children get the best possible start in life. We know the
money you spend... Go back to the question, that has been a difference
between Labour and the Conservatives, the Conservatives
were never scared to say, we think parents that stay at home might be
raising their children best, and you have said that mums that stay at
home are raising their children best, has that gone from your floss
survey? I cannot speak for the Government on this but from the
perspective of a Conservative council, we see the benefits to our
local economy of making sure good quality childcare is available.
There is lots of research over many years showing the impact that has.
Whether we are looking at it philosophically or politically, it
is right to make sure that is available to ask many people as
possible. David says there will be a lot of middle-class families and
this would disproportionately hit, I think, working women, who would say
they cannot afford to go out any more to work. I think you have got
to try and do both, but I think the Government is now almost entirely
focusing on the better off working families. My eldest child is about
to start school in September so I have had seven, eight years of
spending a huge amount of money on nursery fees and I am well aware of
those costs. So you would do something more? Should you not have
been receiving any of that free childcare? Your own circumstances,
you work hard as an MP and you would not have been able to do half of
that, would you come if you had had children at home you could not
afford to send out? I don't know your circumstances. I got relatively
little help really from the state and yes, it is very difficult for
families to manage those costs, but it did not affect whether I was at
work or not and that is one of the policy objectives we have got to
look at here. It is about whether rewards work fundamentally. Do you
want to say, we are going to help you and help more families to have
two parents going out to work, or is that not important? It is important,
but it should not be the only policy objective and a fear over the coming
years, that is now becoming principal policy objective. When we
look at the developmental gaps at the age of five, they are dark. Over
half of children from disadvantaged families are not at the expected
level when they start school and the single biggest indicator of how well
you do at GCSE is your attainment at the age of five. Children from more
affluent families will have heard 30 million more words by the age of
three compared to those from disadvantaged families. We cannot
afford not to do something about it. David, would you agree that the
earlier children have any kind of schooling, any kind of interactive
nursery, the better off they will be? You could say, as Conservatives,
we will give you the money, you can spend it on nursery care if you want
or on children's shoes and clothes if you prefer. That was the
old-style Tory policy. You now saying every child should get into
education in whatever sense that is as early as possible? We deserve
every child deserves the best start in life and the early years
curriculum... That is a slightly different question, the best start
in life could be whatever the parent thinks is the best start for them,
you are pushing them down the line. The research is clear, it shows good
early education is a fantastic indicator and if you get that right,
children do better at primary school and secondary school and they go on
to university and college. We know the money spent in this way is the
most effective use of that money and that is why the Government is
committed to this and why councils are supporting this. We have issues
with the small print of the policy, it is clear it can be too complex
and many nursery providers have valid concerns. But the Early Free
curriculum and the access that offers and the balance it brings is
undoubtedly the best way to spend the money. We are out of time, thank
you very much. These are fractured times,
when everything from Brexit to the Grenfell Tower tragedy seems
to show up just how divided and complex our country,
and capital city, can be. One man who has been doggedly
chronicling London, and Londoners, at ground level is the writer
Iain Sinclair, whose 2002 book 'London Orbital' had him walk
the whole of the M25. After 40 years or so,
he's announced that his days of slogging across the capital
are at an end, with a final book called 'The Last London'
and an accompanying exhibition at Gallery 46 in
Whitechapel, East London. Before he hangs up his boots,
Sinclair joined Stephen Smith for one final trip to discuss how
the city has changed. Everything that I try and get
is earned by long, grinding walks. After all that foot slogging,
we thought we'd let # Come fly with me Let's
fly, let's fly away #. The foot-sore
chronicler of London, a day, so we thought we'd
give him one last spin One thing he won't miss
are Artisan coffee outlets. I hear these conversations
in Hackney where people are discussing the making of coffee,
as if it was now a chemical formula. And they can't actually sell it
because they're too busy finessing their own genius
in this field. And the moment when really it
came for me is that, having walked around
London all through one long night Bethnal Green, there's a sign
pasted up in a window - 'No coffee kept on the
premises overnight'. This is what builders used to put up
on their vans about their tools, From his vantage point at street -
or rather, bridge - level, Sinclair has perhaps picked
up more of what's really That invisible cockpit of pollution
rising from the loop of the M25, the orbital motorway,
had closed against London was now an island,
open for business, only if your London is a kind of
gigantic cruise liner. It's doing its best to sail away
from the rest of Britain, who is lost in another kind
of world altogether. And much more related to a world
of corporate cruise liners, with a third-world class slaving
away to keep the thing running, One reason Sinclair is hanging
up his boots, he says, is that the old cultural givens
about London no longer obtain. There are cities within
cities within cities, but they don't connect,
unless there's some horror like Grenfell Tower,
a sudden crematorium chimney erupts And we then fall into a thing
of public mourning. It was horribly predictable,
in lots of ways, in that the public There are sites that are almost
like dumping grounds, that are hidden and pushed
and starved of funds London is so severely
fractured and atomised now, in a way that I've never seen
before, that references As you move through London,
you can't help noticing them. The numbers of people
who are sleeping under bushes, Plenty of people do seem
to manage not to notice. I mean, you document
them in your books. You only kind of notice them
if you're moving fairly For Sinclair, his fellow Londoners
often miss what's around them, preoccupied with their bikes
or smartphones, or both. Like the cyclist he
rescued from a canal. "The bike weighs nothing
when I pull it out. It must feel like riding
on an idea, a line drawing. He seems like a decent chap,
in shock to be grounded. He shakes his head
to get the water out. The man is most concerned
about his phone. He pats Lycra padding,
with multiple pockets, The glinting wafer didn't
appreciate the sudden baptism, Time for a souvenir of the writer's
last circumnavigation I was mad enough to feel this
personal connection with the city, as if the molecules were exchanged
as you walked. It feels very odd to have come
to the end of that system, which began in 1975,
and I've been following one way Before we go, it's that time
when we traditionally call upon you to feel nostalgic
for the departure of something you haven't actually thought
about for over a decade, This time, it's the Yellow Pages,
which will cease publication - as a paper copy, at least -
after more than 50 years. As much a metaphor for heft
and anonymity as a phonebook, the Yellow Pages will perhaps be
most fondly remembered for the hard journalistic
sleuthing of one author - I don't suppose you have a copy
of 'Fly Fishing', by JR Hartley? Never mind, there's
still a few more to try. We don't just help with
the nasty things in life, like a blocked drain,
we're there for the nice things too. Good evening. As we step into the
first weekend of September, the weather