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Tonight on Newsnight, we look at the way the authorities


investigate suspected cases of female genital mutilation.


And we meet families who sometimes wait for months to be cleared


We'll ask one campaigner, herself a survivor of this barbaric


practice, why the wait can be so long, and what can be done


We'll meet Helen and her 12-year-old daughter Lulya, who escaped


the inferno on the 21st floor of the Grenfell Tower,


speaking for the first time about the night,


and their search for new accommodation.


We came from the 21st floor, all the way down, my daughter,


she was stuck on the tenth floor and she was in a coma for ten days,


It's back to school for MPs, after a long summer


All the talk of course is about Brexit.


Nobody has ever pretended that this would be simple or easy.


I've always said this negotiation would be tough...


Tough, complex and at times confrontational.


We'll get the latest from Nick Watt and Chris Cook.


And get a first sight of a dramatic new report, in which the likes


of the Archbishop of Canterbury and a whole series of


heavy-hitting thinkers say "our economic model is broken".


And hot on the heels of Hurricane Harvey,


which devastated Texas, another massive storm


This is what it looks like from the weather satellites.


We'll ask how bad Hurricane Irma might be, and what parts of


the Caribbean and the United States are most at risk.


The distress of the former residents of Grenfell Tower


will never be erased, but it seems that for some


their subsequent treatment is only adding to their trauma.


Three months on, just ten families have accepted offers


164 more have engaged with a council system to find them homes -


but there appear to be at least two problems, the suitability


of the accommodation, and the way the council decides


Newsnight has been speaking to Helen and her 12-year-old


They escaped from their flat on the 21st floor and Lulya


spent ten days in a coma following the fire,


This is the first time they have spoken publicly about what happened.


And a warning - this film by our producer Sara Moralioglu


and special correspondent Katie Razzall contains content


I was sleeping and my mum, she got up, she saw the whole house,


the kitchen was on fire, so she grabbed me and she told me


to get the dog, so I got the dog and I ran out.


On their way to see what could become their new home,


beauty salon owner Helen and her daughter Lulya lived


They had a terrifying escape with neighbours, three hours


This is the first time they've spoken publicly about their ordeal.


I just looked up, at the window, there was a fire, I saw the fire


coming, so I just ran, and I grabbed my daughter.


Helen and Lulya are talking to us now because they and so many others


face yet another battle - for a new home.


A battle that can end up pitting resident against resident.


The plan is to rehouse some Grenfell tenants in what is termed affordable


Helen and Lulya thought they were going to visit a lower


floor flat, only to find out it had been given to someone else.


Instead they were shown one far higher up, on the tenth floor.


When you see the full windows and the height, that is


My mum likes them, the rooms and everything are OK,


but it's not what I think they should be showing us,


I never used to have any type of problem with anything,


but now I'm getting anxious whenever I see any tall


The council has opened a website to match Grenfell


Flats are being offered under a four band priority system.


Helen believes that is divisive at a time when the tower's


former tenants still feel traumatised and vulnerable.


We are the ones, we came from the 21st floor,


all the way down, my daughter, she was stuck on the tenth floor


and she was in a coma for ten days, so how come I am not priority?


Does she have to be dead for them to prioritise me?


In fact, it's not fair what they're doing it's not fair.


Kensington and Chelsea Council say this is a matching rather


Those who lost a family member are number one priority,


then comes anyone with a disability, then those with dependents and then


Grenfell residents and evacuated residents of nearby Grenfell Walk.


None of the flats in Grenfell Tower had a balcony.


After their horrific experience, Helen and Lulya are adamant


The flat they were initially shown didn't.


The fact that the fire was coming from the outside and the fire


was on the kitchen wall, so if you have a balcony,


you could step out and you would have a bigger chance


of being rescued, so they could bring anything to come and save you.


Hear their story, and you understand their logic.


We tried to come out three times, but then,


we had to go out the fourth, because the bedrooms


Smoke had long ago entered Grenfell Tower's only stairwell.


While I was going down, all the smoke, it was really thick,


so it's like thick air going into you,


I can hear everyone trying to find air,


like everyone screaming, choking, gagging, then


I trip over someone, someone lying on the floor,


which is the worst part of everything.


So, I'm squeezing my dog so much and my dog is trying to reach up


to me and I roll down the stairs with my dog.


I roll down like another ten sets of stairs and...


And then I passed out and then I let go of my dog because I couldn't


After I'd passed out and I dropped him, he went back


up to the 21st floor, which is the floor that we lived


Lily, the other dog, they found them both together.


Lulya spent ten days in an induced coma undergoing treatment


Like, you don't know what's happening.


You're sleeping, you feel relaxed, but in a coma, you feel everything.


Neither Lulya nor Helen will ever forget their experience.


I'm saying to myself, you know, it's just a bad dream.


Helen and Lulya have now seen two flats that they'e keen on.


They're still waiting to find out if either


She really liked the third floor, so let's hope they can do something


Because we've been let down and I hope they're not


Helen and daughter Lulya talking to Katie Razzle.


In a statement, Kensington and Chelsea Council deputy leader


Kim Taylor-Smith told us the council had prioritised bereaved families


and made accommodation offers to them all.


He added that the council had secured more than 100 homes


to resettle people and said the housing team was working hard


No one - David Davis observed today of Brexit negotiations -


ever pretended this would be simple or easy.


The Brexit Secretary came before the Commons with a concrete example


of something he HAD managed to agree with the EU negotiator this week -


continued use of the European-wide health insurance card for those


Britons living in the EU when this country leaves the bloc.


It's a step that will reassure many older retirees outside of Britain -


although we don't yet know if the same priveleges will apply


to tourists and visitors as they do at present.


The chance to dwell on this was shortlived, however.


This evening, the Guardian splashed on a leaked


This evening, the Guardian splashed on a leaked government


Britain might END free movement of Labour immediately after Brexit.


Something mooted, but never previously laid quite so bare.


Chris Cook - our policy editor - and Nick Watt our political


Does this sound like confirmation of what we knew would happen? It is a


lot more colour in the picture. The dilemma was that we wanted a really


smooth transition after leaving the EU, we wanted EU to treat us much


like a member for a little while until we get our acts together just


that and that we wanted to convince the EU that basically free movement


was probably going to continue during that transition period. At


the same time the Government wanted to convince us, the British public,


that free movement whatever to 30 ending. So it was a delicate needle


to thread. The thing is, this document doesn't do it, it is very


clearly ending free movement, even the registration of workers coming


in during the transition period. I think this signals that this is a


document from the Home Office side, the anti-migration side of the civil


service, it's about a government, if it were to be followed, worrying


more about domestic consumption than perhaps securing the best deal we


can get from the EU. In terms of what David Davis said today in the


Commons, Nick, what did you pick out from what he had to offer? Very


important illustration of the old phrase follow the money just if


David Davis has his way, we will be following the money for the entirety


of these two-year negotiations. Now, that is not what the EU wants. They


want the UK to come to an agreement on the framework in three areas -


the divorce bill, the rights of EU citizens who are already here at the


point of departure and Northern Ireland. And what this intervention


from David Davis today shows is his confidence that he is going to be


able to say to the EU, you have a rigid structure and we simply cannot


agree the fundamentals on these three points until we know what the


overall deal for the future will be. A lot of chat in Whitehall how


Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, carrying out the agreed


mandate of the 27 member states, is being rigid and there is a hope, not


a belief, that if Angela Merkel is re-elected in September come we


might get a Brexit may well provide the biggest


structural change to the British Tomorrow, the IPPR will release


a report containing its response to the challenges -


and interestingly, for a think tank often seen as on the centre-left


of the political spectrum - they've got together


with Helena Morrisey, the high profile fund manager


and keen Brexiteer - I'm in the City of London, ranked


the world's top financial centre. And outside the City, of course,


Britain is home to many But as well as those


world-class companies, we also have a problem,


we have more companies than our international competitors


that are lower productivity. Productivity is a measure


of output versus input. And since the financial crisis


a decade ago, the UK's overall productivity growth has stalled,


reducing our economic potential. And no-one is quite sure why


and economists have dubbed this the productivity puzzle,


but it really matters, because if we're not making


the best use of skills, then people are in insecure


jobs and on low wages. At this stage, we have


rising pay inequality, stagnating household


incomes and many young to have higher living


standards than their parents and that is the first time that has


happened for many generations. And the UK's economy is also


geographically very imbalanced, with about 40% of output generated


by London and the south-east and there are many geopolitical


uncertainties, including Brexit. You could argue that we don't really


so much have an economic model, The specific challenges may be quite


different, but in many ways, the situation we are at today is not


dissimilar from the 1940s, when we were looking to rebuild


the economy after the war, or the 1980s, when we were


recovering from a deep recession. The question is, how do we change


the economy for the better? How can we make it


work for more people? Our economy needs fundamental


change, not just tinkering We need the City and British


businesses to be investing We need employers to be focused


on creating good jobs that contribute to higher productivity


and improved competitiveness. And we need the government


to implement an industrial strategy that helps British businesses grow


at home and compete abroad. Well, another of those behind


the report is the man whose job it once was to respond to these changes


in Government, the Head the Civil Service between 2012


and 2014, Sir Bob Kerslake. Thank you for joining us. This


report, as her lean out was same air and as the Archbishop of Canterbury


has said, is pretty bleak. It says the economy is broken, the model is


broken, it is a real slating of the British economy. You have to


recognise that the UK economy has simply stopped working for ordinary


people and the statistics are really very start. We have had the longest


period of wage stagnation for 150 years and at the same time, the very


wealthy people, the chief executives have raced ahead. 30 years ago aged


Chief Executive may on average may be 20 times that of a worker, now it


is 150 times. There are some very fundamental questions about our


economy and they will not be tackled... If Phillip Hammond was


sitting here, he would say we have low unemployment, faster growth than


Europe over the years, the deficit has come down, the structure is


there, is he wrong? He is talking about


one set of measures but if you look at the economy over a period of


time, we have deep structural problems that have been there for a


while. Productivity, 20% lower than France and Germany and our


investment has fallen for 30 years and the differences between


different parts of the country are extraordinary. In the north-east and


the north-west you might be on 30% less in terms of your salary. Is


this the way the free market is operating? Partly. It is actually


about what kind of economy do we want to create? There is a sense in


which people say we cannot do much about the economy, it is settled by


the market but I think we can have an ambition for a prosperous and


just a economy and work towards it. It is a question of clarity and


well. You used the word just and it is striking when you have a figure


like the Archbishop in this, do you think the way the economy is being


run is a moral? I think it is producing outcomes that we will find


hard to defend if we ask the question because it is not


delivering their outcomes for many of the people in this country.


Others will form a view whether that is about morality. You had to defend


those practices, you worked in the civil service over many years, did


you find, did you find them wrong at the time? I don't think we


necessarily saw individual policies as wrong, but what you need to look


that is a longer period of what has happened in the UK... Help me on


this, give me a sense, it is all very well to save the model is


broken and we need to change the structure, fundamental reform, what


does that mean? When you talk about taxation you say we need there,


smarter, simpler taxes, you do not address the question of whether we


need more taxes, should we be taking in more taxes? My personal view is


that the current austerity approach has run out of road and we need a


new approach... That is broadly agreed across the spectrum, even to


reason may have said that now. Consequences flow from that, we have


a fiscal gap that will need to be addressed. We need to look at who


pays what and how the system works. You will not get people to buy into


a change around tax unless they feel the system is fair. Do you want to


see more intervention of the state, the government playing a bigger


role? We do not start from presumption that it is about more of


a stable, we start from a sense were you need to be clear what kind of


economy you're trying to create and everyone gets behind it. There will


be really important tasks for the state to do and in the report we set


out 30 different new ideas that can be considered. It is not just about


the state... Let me put this to you. A couple of years ago, Jeremy Corbyn


became Labour leader and he said pretty much what is in your report,


many in the establishment laughed at him and today you have the likes of


yourself and the Archbishop of Canterbury broadly saying, he is on


the right track with what he is talking about now! What you have is


a number of politicians, including the Prime Minister, saying, there


are issues. She talked about burning injustices that needed to be


tackled, Jeremy Corbyn is saying something, so with Vince Cable...


Would you now embrace that vision for Britain? We want a vision that


is embraced not just by one party, but by the country, a clear sense in


which we can create a fairer, just and prosperous economy and then we


want business and trade unions and others to get behind it. We are not,


as you will sleep in the membership of the commission, starting from one


political party. Let's talk about Brexit, you were a civil servant at


the heart of this, when David Davis said no one thought it would be


easy, there were some sniggers, because some suggested it would, you


ran the civil service, do you think they are embracing this challenge,


are they ready for this and can they deliver it? The civil service


prides itself on doing the job it is asked to do by the government of the


day. It serves the government of the day and the government of the day is


wanting to deliver Brexit. The challenge here and I will be direct,


from my perspective, there is no upside. This is about damage


limitation and we are working the situation where policy has not been


properly settled. The Guardian story that Chris was talking about, it


would be the end of free movement of Labour, pretty much from the start


of Brexit and the document, draft document admittedly, it describes a


massive IT operation and solution which would let people know, whether


that person was allowed to work in the UK, where tapping on a number,


is that feasible? I have not seen the details and I cannot comment. An


election that was intended to settle the way we left the European Union


did nothing of the sword. We still have a very live debate about how


the transition period will work. In that situation, civil servants will


struggle to get coherent policies, if the politicians have not sorted


out their priorities. When the Prime Minister says that no deal is better


than a bad deal, from a civil service point of view, no deal even


an option? Could we survive no deal? I don't know what the civil service


would say but I know my view, it would be an utter and complete


disaster for this country and we need to be very frank about this,


there is not a no deal option that would be good for this country.


Thank you for coming in. Thank you. or health care professional suspects


that a child has been the victim of female genital mutilation,


they're obliged to to the local child


safeguarding authority. But an investigation for Newsnight


and Radio 4's The World At One has established that it can take months


for children to be examined in cases And families can face


lengthy and traumatic waits to prove their innocence -


in some cases, children have been taken into care before


they have even been examined. Newsnight has also revealed


questions about the capabilities and credibility of one of the UK's


best-known FGM specialists, Comfort Momoh, when it comes


to examining children for FGM. Dr Faye Kirkland, a practising GP


and investigative reporter, It has been called a hidden crime.


FGM has been illegal in the UK for more than 30 years. It is still a


common cultural practice in many countries in Africa, parts of Asia


and the Middle East. There are no definitive figures, but the British


Government has warned thousands are at risk and has committed to ending


FGM worldwide within a generation. The issue of FGM is one on which I


think we are all agreed across this whole house, it is an abhorrent


activity, it should not be taking place. But are the


authorities taking the right approach to investigating suspected


cases of FGM, especially where children are concerned? We have been


told that excessive waits for the examination of children are causing


unnecessary trauma and that children can be placed under child protection


measures while enquiries are ongoing. I felt like the whole world


was crumbling down on me. Newsnight heard concerns about the credibility


of one of the country's leading FGM campaigners and health care


professionals. Nearly two years ago, it became a legal requirement for


health care professionals, social workers and teachers to report cases


of FGM in children to the police. But there are concerns the way some


cases are being investigated is harming children and their families.


If a child is suspected of having been subjected to FGM they should be


physically examined by a specialist. In many cases however, it is a final


part of the investigative process and can take place months after an


accusation is made. When the child could already be on a child


protection plan or in foster care. One reason being told is that police


and social services and often misunderstand the nature of the


examination, believing it to be more intrusive to the child than it


actually is. This is the letter... It says there, there is no evidence


of FGM. Yes. Pregnant with her third child, this woman, we will call her


Emma, to protect the identities of children, asked a question out of


curiosity during a routine medical appointment after the midwife


mentioned FGM. Emma told me that she wanted to clarify what FGM was but a


question sparked an investigation. It was curiosity. And who would be


the best person to ask? It was the midwife. That same night a police


officer came to her door, gave her leaflets and warned her about the


practice. One year later, the same officer came back with social


services, this time they said they had been informed she had had the


procedure herself and there were concerns it had been carried out on


her daughters. Emma denied the accusations, but the girls were put


on a child protection plan, and measure local authorities used to


safeguard children and maintain oversight of the family, before they


had even been examined. What happened over the next few months?


The atmosphere changed in the house. I wasn't myself. I had just had a


baby, I was not given time to recover. I felt like the whole world


was crumbling down on me and my children's behaviour changed in


school. It triggered naughty behaviour and that had not happened


before. I needed an examination done on me and my children and I knew


that I had not undergone FGM and neither had my children. My children


were fine and healthy, I had not heard them in any way. -- I had not


hurt them. Newsnight has been told that her story is not uncommon. A


charity that works with families told us they had seen a child is


placed into foster care for eight months while waiting to be examined.


She was found not to have had FGM, but the delay caused serious


distress. They are calling for changes to be made. Using the right


translators, ensuring that there is effective support for families to


get legal assistance, because of the challenges with Legal Aid and


ensuring that families are examined on time and children are as well,


but in a sensitive way and within the right environments. Do you think


the way some investigations are being handled is letting families


down? Oh, yes. A lot of times, what becomes a problem is possibly lack


of training for professionals, effective training. There is a knee


jerk reaction from professionals when they hear FGM, sometimes, I


don't know whether it is terrified or wanting to make sure that


something does not go wrong. So, they really go in too hard. At 26


team by experts at university College London Hospital, showed


children were waiting nearly two months on average to be referred for


an examination, but there are cases of weights of over one year. In a


Home Affairs Select Committee report two years ago, Keith Vaz warned,


while agencies play pass the parcel responsibility, young girls are


being mutilated every hour of every day. This barbaric crime which is


committed daily on such a huge scale across the UK cannot continue to go


unpunished. But I have been told by specialists around the country that


many cases they see are historic and they do not believe that FGM is


taking place in this country at anything like the same rates as some


politicians have stated. There are three main specialist centres in the


UK where children are examined for FGM, based in London, Birmingham and


here in Manchester. Doctor Catherine White of Saint Mary 's sexual


assault referral centre has seen more than 40 referrals since


mandatory reporting came in. 14 of those cases were found an


examination to have had FGM. So far we have not noticed FGM in cases


where the family have said, no, the child has not had it. Of the cases


you have seen, how many of them have occurred here in the UK? None. Where


we have seen evidence of FGM, the children have been born outside of


the UK and the history is that they have had the FGM done outside of the


UK. In the media we have been told that they might be thousands of


cases. Why do you think there is a discrepancy in those figures?


I know that some of it might be that it's hidden, but I think if certain


types of FGM were being done at the rates that we were led to expect, we


would be seeing cases coming through with infection or bleeding, they


would be ending up in front of health officials and they would then


be referred to us - and that's just hasn't happened. These clinics


provide very specialised care. But Newsnight has learned that some


children have been examined by people whose qualifications and


experience have been called into question. Comfort Momoh is a midwife


and leading campaigner against FGM. She established one of the UK's


first FGM clinics at a Guy's Hospital and is recently retired


from Guy's and St Thomas' trust. Gee whizz! MBE for her work in women's


health, but senior specialists have raised concerns to Newsnight about


whether she is completely credible, specifically when it comes to


examining children for FGM. The Home Office and the bodies which set the


standards for the forensic examination of children all say that


only doctors with the relevant qualifications and experience should


examine children for FGM. But Comfort Momoh has examined at least


five children, despite not having the relevant codification is. In a


high-profile case she testified that a child had had FGM. Adjudged


ascribed her report as a remarkably shoddy piece of work and worse than


useless. He concluded the child had not undergone FGM. A week later, in


a separate court case, Comfort Momoh was listed as a key expert witness


for the prosecution of the trial of the first doctor in the UK


prosecuted for allegedly carrying out FGM. Newsnight understands


Comfort Momoh was due to give evidence but was dropped just before


the trial, although no reasons were given. A jury acquitted the doctor


after less than half an hour of deliberations. There are also


suggestions that Comfort Momoh might be exaggerating her professional


qualifications. She has repeatedly describe herself as a doctor but is


not a qualified medical doctor. Instead she has an honorary


doctorate from Middlesex university. A university spokesman confirmed to


Newsnight that this does not enable her to use the title doctor.


Newsnight put these allegations to Comfort Momoh but she has chosen not


to respond. Newsnight also approached the Nursing And Midwifery


Council and they told us they were already investigating concerns about


Comfort Momoh. We do not know whether this is connected in any way


with our findings. Emma had to fight to get her children examine the, but


she says the struggle has had long-lasting effects on her and her


family. The police officer said to me, if I had not had the examination


taken for my children because I would have lost my children - social


services would have taken them away. What impact has this had on you as a


mum and your children? I didn't want to lose my children. It would have


been so heartbreaking, so it gave me the strength to get them examined by


a specialist that is trained to examine in that field, knock


anybody, any doctor or any GP, it should be somebody trained


specifically for that. Protecting women and girls from FGM is crucial.


At examinations needs to be timely and carried out by qualified people.


There is more work to be done to save young girls from unnecessary


distress. We asked to speak to someone


from the Home Office, Joining us now is Leyla Hussein,


a psychotherapist It is nice of you to come in. You've


seen some of these delayed cases - why are children separated from


their parents for so long? For me I think it is important that we make


it very clear - whenever a child is at risk of any harm, obviously, I


think the authorities do the right thing by removing the child. Is it


delayed? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. But there is a reason. The reason it


happens, unfortunately, when we work in such cases, multi-agency work


needs to take place. Unfortunately when we are dealing with FGM, there


aren't enough experts who are working with the authorities, hence


why there is such a long delay. But when you talk about multi-agency


approaches, for most people watching, they assume it's physical


college is fairly easy to spot, it's something that actually a doctor can


look at and tell very quickly - why isn't that the case? There are


different types of FGM, that important. But also we need to


understand, communities who practice FGM still don't see this as a form


of abuse. This was something that was good for us, it's something for


professionals to understand, so we're not going to come forward and


say this happened to us, hence why it is still not being picked up as


it should be. But when the suspected cases were followed up, most of them


were found to be false, these allegations, so does that suggest


the system is wrong or they are chasing the wrong people or they are


not able to...? I think we need to be careful when we say it's false


allegations. From my own experience, we are talking about... Since the


protection orders were introduced, it invented girls from undergoing


the practice. And any family, you contact them regarding any form of


abuse, they're not going to say to you, we abuse our child. From my own


experience, when protection orders were introduced over a two years


ago, the first year, there were over 90 reported cases, 90 protection


orders were put in place and a lot of them came from family members, we


cannot ignore that. Of those 90, do we know how many...? I can't give a


specific... From my own experience, families who I worked with, it came


from siblings who overheard families talk about planning to take them


away. And of course, if you take somebody away before it's happened


and there is no physical evidence, it doesn't mean it's not going to


happen? And this is the thing with FGM. The only way you can actually


prove it takes place is if it actually happens. What we are trying


to do, and the UK Government, is to do the prevention work. I'm going to


repeat myself but if you are dealing with any form of abuse of a child,


there is a procedure you have to go through to investigate. Does it take


long? Absolutely and it shouldn't, but what the Government needs to do


is invest more resources in working with the local authorities, and


that's what's been missing. Let me ask you something. We heard in the


film, what's remarkable is that many quietly think the problem of FGM in


this country has shrunk, that it's a good news story, a positive story


they don't say that for fear that people will turn round and say,


you're covering this up - where do you stand on that? For me, in terms


of attitude is changing, we are seeing a little bit of change. And


also I think those of us who work in the UK, what we need to take credit


for, if you look at FGM globally, we really are leading in terms of how


we are dealing with this. But we have a law, the French don't have a


law - has the law actually hindered us compared to the French system,


which has actually...? I have always been against the FGM Act. For me, if


you have a child because you treat it like any other form of abuse. If


you were cutting a child's finger, it should not be any different from


cutting their genitals. That's why a lot of communities feel ostracised,


because they feel they need to have a specific law just for them. And


hence why no-one comes forward. The reason France has been successful in


this particular aspect of the work, it's because they haven't treated it


differently. I know from colleagues who work in France who say to me, we


would see this as a form of child abuse. It's a form of child abuse.


I've had police officers here in the UK who have come up to me and said,


if I walked into such a scene, I wouldn't call it female genital


mutilation comma it's a sexual assault against a child. Thanks for


coming in. And last but certainly


not least tonight, growing fears about another giant


hurricane in the Atlantic Ocean. Hurricane Irma is gaining


in strength and heading towards the Caribbean


and United States. Stav Danaos, from our


Weather Centre, is here. Talk us through what you're


expecting - how do you know how big it's going to be? We are looking at


the satellite picture, which is proving what a huge monster this


storm is. But in the last few hours, it has intensified rapidly. It has


become an extremely catastrophic, strong Eckel category five storm,


with winds of 185mph with gusts in excess of 220mph. It does not really


get stronger than this. You have a sense of where it is going to hit


land? Most computer models agree that it is heading westwards into a


cluster of islands. Because it's such a big storm, it is difficult


for it to avoid that cluster of islands. The strongest winds are


around the eye, where we see the extreme devastation. But even


further out, the winds will be damaging. And then you have got an


extremely powerful is Toms surge associated with it and with the low


pressure and the strong winds as well and the heavy rain. We can see


here on the satellite picture the intensity of the eye. They're saying


this is the biggest for ten years? It is and it could be up with the


top three strongest ever Atlantic storms and it is not far off being


THE stronger stuff all. Is it possible that it could avoid land


treaty? Not really, because it's going to be heading westwards


towards the Virgin Islands and Haiti. Bluntly, you would be getting


out if you were in any of those islands tonight? Absolutely, and in


places like Antigua, Barbuda, which are going to be hit in the early


hours, if you're in a concrete, reinforced building, you will be


fine, but other areas will be completely flattened. The difference


with Harvey, back did cause damage on the coast, but because the


landmass of the United States is so huge, the landmass kills off the


supply of moisture, so all the rain which fell in Harvey fell in a small


area. It almost stalled around the Houston area. This one is going to


be more mobile and it's going to maintain its strength.


We would like to leave you with more pictures from outer space, the


Voyager probe, launched 40 years ago today, the first man-made probe to


leave our solar system, built in the 1970s and still sending us back


answers - as well as questions - about the universe. Good night. We


have lift-off! Hello from the children of planet Earth...


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