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Try not to get sick this winter. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
The NHS is overstretched as it is,
and will struggle to cope | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
with too much more. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
The way that things have become
in A&E over the last two years, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
we're at breaking point.
It can't carry on. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
The queues on the corridor
and the situation | 0:00:18 | 0:00:24 | |
the patients are in, and
the department's in, it's unsafe. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Tonight, we go inside Queen
Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
to see just what
the pressure is now. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
And the chief executive
there is with is to explain | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
how bad it might get
as the peak season arrives. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
We've heard a lot about
Trump and the Russians | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
allegedly digging the dirt
on Hillary Clinton last year. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
It seems her campaign
was paying for dirt to be | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
found on Donald Trump.
Awkward? Or obvious? | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
We talk to her trusted
advisor, Sidney Blumenthal. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:58 | |
And from Trump, to the Queen, | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
Annie Leibowitz has
photographed them all. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
I just thought,
"That's my photograph | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
of the President and First Lady." | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
It was a classic
Helmut Newton-style photograph | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
of Melania with Donald Trump,
sort of, as an ornament. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Hello. We are giving you
a forewarning of something | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
important tonight, a possible
impending crisis in the NHS. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Winter is coming,
and that is the busy season. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
But strange things have been
happening to climate in the NHS, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
there appears to have been
no summer, no quiet season. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
It's operating at full pelt
through the year so we are heading | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
into winter without any slack,
and that could be catastrophic | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
for waiting times
over the next few months. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
You will see what
I'm talking about in this film | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
made by Nick Blakemore,
documenting a slice of life | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
at Queen Elizabeth's Hospital in
Birmingham over a four day period. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
Before you watch,
remember that while the NHS is | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
a caring human service,
it can also be seen | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
as a production line. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
There is a flow of people
in and out of treatment | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
and the two have to match. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
If the back end is clogged up,
the effects ripple back | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
through the system. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:15 | |
ED sister, can I help? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
My name's Eve Gillepie,
sisters I'm one of the senior | 0:02:17 | 0:02:25 | |
sisters in the A&E Department
at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
So you've still got two
empty at the moment? Lovely. Yeah. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
As soon as we get some
space out here we'll | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
think about shoping some
people around, OK? | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
The way that things have become
in a A&E over the last two years, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
we are at breaking point.
It can't carry on. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
The queues on the corridor,
and the situation the patients | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
are in and the Department's
in, it's unsafe. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
I slipped down the stairs,
and I think I broke my foot. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
I'm in a lot of pain. Very bad. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
You just don't expect to see
so many people, and you know, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
people not having beds,
not being seen to by doctors. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
It just feels like we're
in a third World country, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
to be honest with you. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:12 | |
We're probably seeing 100 patients
more a day than we were a year ago. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Two or three patients
used to be stressful, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
but over the last couple of years,
this is just an average day | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
that we would have
this many patients | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
on the corridor at one time. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
And we're not even in winter yet.
No. No, sorry. Excuse me. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:31 | |
We're going into the emergency
department to see a gentleman | 0:03:31 | 0:03:37 | |
who's already been in the emergency
department for over eight hours. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
So where are we going?
We're going to resus. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
He needs to be in a bed
on our medical admissions unit. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
We haven't been able
to find that space for him. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:51 | |
I think the delay
we've got is because we're | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
waiting for a side room.
Yeah, OK. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
So, is he going to be stable
enough to go into a side room? | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
He probably is, actually. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
Year, I think if we can get him
a little bit more fluid. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
The NHS is breaking at the seams. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
The amount of people
who need the services | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
we can offer is growing,
and we just do not have the resource | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
to deal with that. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
Although he's not full
resuscitation, I would expect him | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
to recover from this episode,
if that makes sense. OK. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
Brilliant. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
Thank you, Adam. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
The reason we have people queueing
round the corners in the emergency | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
department is because the whole
system is stuck. We're congested. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
There's nowhere for anybody to go. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
If I can't discharge people
from the back end of the hospital, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
so people needing the long-term care
because of lack of community | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
services, that means there's no beds
that come up on the acute wards. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Which means there's no beds coming
up on the medical admissions unit, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
and that's why people are
stuck in A&E cubicles or even | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
on the corridor
in the emergency department. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Right, then, Bernard.
How are you feeling? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
I'm knackered all the time. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
I can't use energy up
doing anything else. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
I've been a pain in the arse
on the ward, because I know I am, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:11 | |
because I'm blocking
a sick person's bed up. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
And I know they can't do
anything else for me. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
And you've been in hospital for,
it's about five weeks this time, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
isn't it? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
And because of you getting
so breathless, that's why we looking | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
for you to move into 24-hour care.
Sure, yeah. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:36 | |
I must have had four
people come to talk to me. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
I've been rejected by
all of them, because of this. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
Because care homes don't normally
have built in oxygen. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
Bernard's told us that
four different places have | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
turned him down so far. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
And when I asked him
how that made him feel, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
he pointed out that nobody actually
gives him the direct message | 0:05:53 | 0:06:03 | |
it's the staff come and assessing,
and they never actually say | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
to his face, "We don't want you." | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
I ain't bothered
snuffing it tomorrow. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
I wouldn't do anything to help it.
I don't want reviving again. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
I don't want to keep
coming backwards. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
I don't want to live whatever
the rest of my life is like this. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:22 | |
I'm going to leave you, all right?
Is that still hot? | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Yeah. That's still warm.
That's still hot. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Can we start moving some people
down into rooms for me, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
the one at the front into two.
The one behind into three. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
And then we'll go in... | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
This chappie into two for me. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
And the lady behind into three. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
I've got cancer. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
And what happened today?
I've been very weak. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
And so, I had to get
in touch with relatives. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:57 | |
Who got in touch with
the doctors, and here I am. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:07 | |
I phone up every morning,
because we live a bit | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
of a way away from Frank. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
And over the past few days,
he's become progressively weaker. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
How do you feel about having
to wait in the corridor? | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
It's a sign of our times, isn't it. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
I mean, they're under so much
pressure now from various things. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
It's what you expect, really. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
Ten years ago, I never once
nursed a patient in a corridor. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Never once had to shuffle people
around, and explained why | 0:07:26 | 0:07:33 | |
we were sending them out
into the waiting room. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
It was easily managed
within the department. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Over the years,
especially the last two years. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
The renal colic man can go into six.
It's just dreadful. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
There's just no space for people. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
Walk round and see if there's anyone
that can move out of cubicles, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
so we can off-load the new ones. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
So we asked you to
come here so we can complete | 0:07:58 | 0:08:06 | |
an assessment on your mother,
who is Vera Yates, yeah? | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Date of birth,
the 30th of August, 1924. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
She's got
advanced vascular dementia. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
I won't be recommending continuing
health care at this moment in time. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Where does this leave
mum as far as her care? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
It just means now that her care
will not be funded by health. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
So shewill receive
£155.05 per week from the NHS | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
towards her care in a nursing home. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
I have 30 beds on this ward. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
Back in January, I had three
or four patients, possibly, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:42 | |
who had been on here for a few
weeks, most people are on here | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
for two or three weeks up the mess. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
Now, I have at least ten patients
who are out on the social services | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
computer system waiting
for a long-term placement. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
I'm getting people with
more challenging behavioural | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
problems on the ward. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
They're people who find it hard
to find a care home that | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
can meet their needs. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:02 | |
Have you had a cup of tea
this afternoon, mum? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
I think so.
You think so? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
The overall process of moving
from where we are now to where mum | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
needs to be during the next
few weeks is just the concern | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
we have at the moment. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:19 | |
SINGING | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
She's off now. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
My background is, when you start
the process off, you create | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
a deadline, don't you.
I don't know whether that's there. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
And I'm just concerned
that this thing will drag on. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
QE alert phone.
Hi, trauma desk. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
I'm ringing from A&E.
We're getting a code red through. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
So if we could have... | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
Pelvic...
TXO... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
15 minutes...
By land. OK. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
I'll call you back as soon as have
a hostel number and trauma name. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
It's a 30-year-old male... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
We've got no ITU beds
for the code red. OK. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
Which I'm addressing at the moment. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
I'm going to have to pull someone
out of ITU into the beds... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
To see the NHS as it is now,
I don't see it getting any better. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
I don't know what
the answer is to it. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
But in my eyes,
it's just going to get worse. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
So, he's had agonal breathing,
they're worried cardiovascularly, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:41 | |
so agonal breathing was agitated. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
It was a push bike.
A code red? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:53 | |
We've got a code red trauma call
in about 15 minutes. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
A 30-year-old male. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:57 | |
I feel for the patients. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
How long have we got?
15 minutes. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
I feel for the new nurses
coming through that have to work | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
in an emergency department
like this, to never have known it | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
how it was, it's a shame. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
It just seems to be acceptable
to treat people on the corridor, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
and you know, it's not dignified,
really, is it. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
It's not the way we want
to treat our patients, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
but we don't have a choice. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:36 | |
Heroic efforts to cope at Queen
Elizabeth Hospital. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
That's how it feels at one
very large hospital, and we'll talk | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
to the chief executive shortly. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:56 | |
But I'm with our policy editor
Chris Cook, so let's get more | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
on the national picture. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
Give us a wider sense of what's
going on in the emergency services | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
all over the country. Birmingham is
not alone, there is a structural | 0:12:02 | 0:12:08 | |
problem with A&E at the moment. At
the moment, what we look for in | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
A&Es, 95% of patients should be done
with within four hours of coming in. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:20 | |
This is the 95% mine, where they are
supposed to be, 2011-12. On the left | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
side of the graph, that is 2011
summer. There is a dip in the | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
winter. They mostly at 95%. There is
a wobble in the winter and that is | 0:12:29 | 0:12:36 | |
it. The year after that, 2012-13,
there is a bigger wobble in the | 0:12:36 | 0:12:42 | |
winter, it takes longer to get back
to the line, but we are up there. In | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
the game for 95%. 2015-16 is a
different year. It starts lower. It | 0:12:47 | 0:12:56 | |
dives deeply, and doesn't really
recover. We lose a chunk of | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
performance this year, which we have
never got back. If we draw in the | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
line from last year, we can see the
server started lover, died really | 0:13:03 | 0:13:10 | |
low, pulled it back, but we are
going into this winter a long way | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
from where we are supposed to be.
That's A&E, hospitals do more than | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
A&E, what is the importance of the
accident and emergency? Apart from | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
the intrinsic and potent as health
providers, what you saw in the film | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
was an example of how they are
interconnected to everything else. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
You can't run a good tip to
everything else. You can't run a | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
good 2-2 without good social care
and without other hospitals and | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
effective GPs. The measure of A&E is
helpful, it is a canary in the coal | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
mine, it helps us see the bigger
picture, the health of the health | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
system. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
Well, back in February
we showed you a film about | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
how they were coping
at Queen Elizabeth Hospital | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
in Birmingham. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
And we spoke to Dame Julie Moore,
the woman in charge there. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
She was candid about the problems. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
But that was the end of winter,
so we have her back now | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
to see how the management is
coping with the pressure | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
we saw in the film. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Good evening to you. What is your
best case for this winter? I think | 0:14:05 | 0:14:12 | |
the film has really said it all,
that A&E is just a part of an | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
overall process. I'm slightly more
optimistic this winter because what | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
we have done, and this is a
relatively new building at the Queen | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Elizabeth Hospital, is over the
summer, starting at the end of last | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
winter, we stripped out all the
nonclinical accommodation around the | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
A&E department which is due to open
next week or the week after to | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
create additional capacity but the
walls are not elastic, there's very | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
little else we can do. Rooms,
offices have all gone. You've turned | 0:14:37 | 0:14:43 | |
them into more warts? More beds and
assessment areas and they will open | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
up next week. OK. That is one she
bucked the second is staffing. Even | 0:14:48 | 0:14:54 | |
if we could open up lots more
capacity, A&E is not proving to be a | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
popular profession for people any
more because of the pressures we | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
have just seen. I worry about how we
will staff them in the future. It | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
does not have to be bad this winter
but what is the worst case because | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
we have heard worries about flu from
Australia and these kind of things, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
what might you lose sleep over?
Well, it came out in the film that | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
one of the things that has really
changed in the past couple of years | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
is patients who are delayed in
hospital who no longer needed acute | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
medical care but can't get out into
the social care system or into other | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
NHS provision. Both of those are
causing delayed transfers that those | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
patients and we have seen that go
from average about 20 patients three | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
or four years ago to now in excess
of 71 and last year we lost 25,000 | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
bed days to patients who don't need
to be there. I'm a bit more | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
optimistic at the moment because we
have a change in approach from the | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
executive leadership of our local
authority who are making good | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
strides, whether it will be enough
and in time, but it seems positive | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
moves about how we can help people
get to the right place more quickly. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
This is about providing good care,
not just about beds. Let's focused | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
on the delayed transfer of care
because when we spoke to in February | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
it was clearly a huge issue and the
government says it has provided £2 | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
billion additional funding for
social care. Are you confident it | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
will make a difference, at least on
the blockage at the end of the | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
system? Well, what we have seen, we
work with quite a lot of local | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
authorities, mainly Birmingham and
Solihull, and Solihull has gone from | 0:16:26 | 0:16:32 | |
over 400 days lost to delayed
transfers of care in June to fewer | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
than 11 in September. With a
concentrated effort you can do that | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
and that has been magnificent, and
Birmingham, it started a bit later | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
because the new leadership team came
in later but they are doing similar | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
things so I'm confident we will see
some movement happening but I would | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
also want like to look at what the
NHS does. There is a care issue in | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
the NHS as well. Something called
continuing health care where people | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
have health care needs which are
assessed as belonging to the NHS and | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
one of the things that has been
particularly upsetting I think is | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
that when people want to go home to
die, they are assessed as needing | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
continuing health care and put on a
fast track system but in the past | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
six months alone, 75 people have
died in one of the hospitals I'm | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
responsible for, waiting for that
continuing health care. So they have | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
died in hospital? Rather than a
time. So the fast track system are | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
taking months? Sometimes it does,
yes. There's a story in the Guardian | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
today suggesting the government will
pay people £1000 a month to take | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
someone in, to take them out of
hospital for recuperation. Does that | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
work, putting them in my spare
bedroom? I'm not sure, it is | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
certainly an idea which has been
touted run before and people have | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
concerns about how you get the
individuals and check up on progress | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and how you would monitor that but
at the moment, anything is worth a | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
try. Do you think we ever get back
to the A&E times of 95%? Basically | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
we are way off the target, 95% of
people seen in four hours is the | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
sign of a system that is working and
we are way off it. One of the things | 0:18:04 | 0:18:10 | |
that is quite difficult is how you
measure this so if you bring in a | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
system to improve care for patients,
for example, we saw patients coming | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
through the emergency department who
could have more appropriately gone | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
to someone else so the man who came
in and said he had cancer, we've set | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
up an acute oncology units are
people bypass the emergency | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
department and go straight to the
ward. You can't count those in the | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
numbers going through the emergency
department and if you start trying | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
to count in all the other pathways
you put in to try to speed things up | 0:18:33 | 0:18:41 | |
a patience, you get closer to it but
we don't consistently measure it. If | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
you provide care outside of
hospital, so people don't come | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
through the emergency department,
again... We are not always measuring | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
the same thing. OK. We have talked
about people coming out of the | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
system into care or whatever they
need. The numbers coming in is | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
another part of the problem your
staff were talking about. There are | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
more people coming in. Is it a
problem with GPs or population | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
growth or what? I don't think it is
so much a problem with GPs because a | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
lot of the patients there really
needed to be in, it is not something | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
GPs could necessarily deal with. It
is a symptom of we are living | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
longer, longer with more diseases
and we have seen a 16% rise in the | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
emergency departments at the Queen
Elizabeth in the past two years | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
which is a massive increase by
anyone's imagination. As I said at | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
the start, the walls are not elastic
and we don't have all the staff in | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
the world so we will do what we can
to do that but we have do have the | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
whole hospital system working
together. What would it take to go | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
back to the good old days? Chris
showed us the picture when there was | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
a bit of a dip in winter but it was
basically 95%. What would it take? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:46 | |
So far, you have not presented is
usually grim picture of this winter, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
actually rather better than some
other doctors I have heard talking | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
about the prospects. But what would
it take to go back to a kind of well | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
functioning system that met the
targets? We have not got enough | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
capacity, bedsore staff and that is
what we need to focus on. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Alternatives to hospital care are
great and we need to do that but at | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
the moment, a lot of the patients
need to be in hospital. We need to | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
train a lot more staff as well. One
of the other problems, why there are | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
problems with delayed transfers of
care is it is quite difficult to | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
staff the nursing homes and
certainly for us to be able to | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
afford the nursing homes, to get
people to provide care at home. We | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
don't value caring as an occupation
very much in this country. Often, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
some of the carers are paid minimum
wage or just above when actually, it | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
is one of the most important jobs
you can do and we need to value it | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
far more highly. Dame Julie Moore,
they give very much and thank you | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
for letting us into film in the
hospital. -- thank you very much. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
The Labour MP Jared O'Mara has been
suspended by the party while it | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
investigates numerous allegations
of misogyny and homophobia, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
mostly but not all rather old. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
The question the Labour Party has
found itself asking today though, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
is less about O'Mara himself,
more about its procedures | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
for selecting candidates. | 0:20:58 | 0:20:59 | |
I'm joined by Nick Watt,
our political editor. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
We should say, he was not expecting
to win, he was kind of what they | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
call a paper candidate, shoved on
the ballot, never dreams of winning | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
and ending up in Westminster. It's
imported to say white Labour | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
suspended in today because a website
revealed he'd made some really | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
offensive remarks this year and the
significance of that is in a lengthy | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
apology to the Parliamentary Labour
Party, on Monday night he said he'd | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
make those kind of remarks many
years ago and he'd been on a journey | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
but what is interesting is that
Labour's National executive | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
committee is looking at how they
selected Jarrod O'Mara. As you say, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
it was last minute, snap election
and the National executive committee | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
in those circumstances use the rules
where you select by-election | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
candidates and they run the process.
They did not interview him. Know? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
Know and there was a cursory look at
his social media and they are | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
essentially saying, how can we make
sure we don't do this again? For | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
example, Newsnight understands they
will be selecting 75 Labour | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
candidates between now and Christmas
and making sure, remember, they did | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
not expect to get Sheffield Hallam,
those kind of Skeet -- seats, they | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
will have a more robust process.
Meanwhile in Brexit land, we have | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
this bill which has been sitting
around, the withdrawal bill, which | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
has been in the sidings for a bit
and it's got to come out, they have | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
to put it to parliament. There's a
strong expectation the committee | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
stage will begin on the 14th and
15th of November, tee days per week | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
for four weeks which means it should
be done by Christmas. There's been a | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
lot of discussion about the
government in negotiation with Tory | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
rebels but I understand one of the
big stumbling blocks has been over | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
devolution and the need to reach an
agreement with the devolved bodies. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
I understand a cabinet meeting last
Tuesday, a rather sombre meeting, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
David Mundell, the Scotland
Secretary, said, "We've got to get a | 0:22:46 | 0:22:52 | |
legislative consent motion from the
Scottish Parliament. The Scottish | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Parliament has got to take this".
Intense talks have been under way. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
There is a hope there will be a deal
that will mean that Holyrood will be | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
able to say it is OK but a sign of
how important that is, if there were | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
a vote at Holyrood tomorrow, the
expectation is that Ruth Davidson | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
and the Scottish Conservatives would
not be able to give their consent to | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
the bill. But there is not going to
be a vote tomorrow and there are | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
lots of negotiations and big
confidence there will be a deal. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Thank you for joining us. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
You remember the dossier
on Donald Trump. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
It emerged in a leak
in January, and had been | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
compiled by a British agent
called Christopher Steele. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
It was the one with some salacious
allegations involving Trump's | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
behaviour in a Russian hotel. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
Well, the Washington Post has
uncovered something interesting. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
Mr Steele was ultimately
being partly paid by | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Hillary Clinton's campaign. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
The dossier made headline news,
even though most media outlets felt | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
uncomfortable spelling out
all the allegations. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
The thrust of it was
that the Russians might have some | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
serious dirt on President Trump,
so-called Kompromat, thus | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
potentially compromising his policy
towards President Putin. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:08 | |
Are you sure Russia was behind
hacking? I mean, maybe. But are you | 0:24:08 | 0:24:17 | |
really, really sure? It was China. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
It hit the public domain
after the election, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
but its existence had been the talk
of many in Washington prior to that. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
We knew it had been paid
for by supporters of Clinton, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
just not that the campaign itself
and the Democratic | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Party contributed. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
The Washington Post says
that the campaign lawyer paid | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
a company which then hired Steele
to do the research. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:47 | |
Nothing new. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:48 | |
But many have been critical
of President Trump's son who met up | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
with a Russian offering tempting
dirt on Hillary. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
No Democrat thought it expedient
to explain that the Democrats | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
were themselves indirectly hiring
a foreigner to dig up dirt on Trump. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
Sidney Blumenthal is
long-time advisor to both | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
Bill and Hillary Clinton,
and joins me now from Washington DC. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:12 | |
Good evening. So much going on in
American politics but I want to | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
start with this dossier. Did you
personally know that the campaign | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
was partly financing it and its
research? Erm, I did not but it was | 0:25:19 | 0:25:27 | |
fairly well known last year that
without knowing exactly, that there | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
were Democratic donors who were
paying for this investigation into | 0:25:31 | 0:25:38 | |
the Russian intervention into the US
presidential election, which | 0:25:38 | 0:25:44 | |
subsequently, all US intelligence
agencies concurred and was done in | 0:25:44 | 0:25:51 | |
order to help elect Donald Trump.
And they found in hiring Christopher | 0:25:51 | 0:25:57 | |
Steele, the most professional and
credible person they could, who also | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
held the trust of the FBI and had
worked on dozens of investigations | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
with the FBI, and he has turned over
his material long ago to the FBI | 0:26:06 | 0:26:14 | |
counterintelligence unit, which is
now investigating it and has in turn | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
turned the material over to the
special prosecutor, Robert Muller, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
the former director of the FBI. A
lot of people looking at this will | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
say, really, this is both sides
digging up dirt. Possibly Donald | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Trump did it better than Hillary
Clinton because he had a stash of | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
e-mails, or there was a stash of
e-mails but both sides were doing | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
it. It is kind of dragging American
politics into which both parties are | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
bad or -- as bad as each other. It
is unprecedented that an anniversary | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
foreign power, in this case, Russia,
intervened in the presidential | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
election in order to determine its
outcome. We have learned since | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
Christopher Steele's dossier became
public that there was a lot more to | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
those active measures, including
exploitation extensively of social | 0:27:02 | 0:27:08 | |
media and we are going to see on the
1st of November testimony before | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
congressional committees of the
heads of Google and Facebook about | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
that. So this is a major issue
involving the tech companies, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:26 | |
American political life, the future
of our democracy and how Donald | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Trump became president. And went
Donald Trump Jr went to see a | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
Russian lawyer who said, "I've got
dirt on Hillary Clinton", it was | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
only because she was Russia and that
there was a problem with that. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
People said it was terrible he
accepted such an invitation when in | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
fact in your view, it was only
because she was Russian and it is | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
fine to get dirt on the opponent.
Well, let's see what Robert Muller | 0:27:49 | 0:27:55 | |
determines about that incident and
how he sorted out. I believe that | 0:27:55 | 0:28:01 | |
Donald Trump is panicked about the
investigation conducted by Robert | 0:28:01 | 0:28:10 | |
Mueller, and it is very tightly
held, there are no leaks from it. He | 0:28:10 | 0:28:16 | |
has all this material. He will
determine its validity and | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
credibility and he has much more
material than simply be Christopher | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
Steele dossier. He has intercepts of
Trump associates with Russians and | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
he now has, through subpoenas,
documents, e-mails, phone | 0:28:27 | 0:28:33 | |
conversations and he has begun to
gather testimony. So let us wait and | 0:28:33 | 0:28:40 | |
see what Mr Mueller does but I think
we can detect in the creation of | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
conspiracy theories on the part of
Donald Trump, nothing new, a whiff | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
of panic. Let's talk about the
Republicans because something rather | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
interesting happened yesterday with
Senator Jeff Flake making an | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
impassioned speech that he had given
up and Constable Donald Trump. He | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
obviously thinks he has calls and
American politics. Did you see that? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:06 | |
I know you are a Hillary Clinton
supporter but did you see that as an | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
important moment, if you like, in
the revolution of the Republican | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
party and how it relates to drop?
Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona's | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
speech, which was extraordinary,
yesterday, on the floor of the | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
Senate, denouncing Donald Trump on
every level and calling him indecent | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
and a threat to our democracy,
unprecedented from a member of one's | 0:29:27 | 0:29:33 | |
own party. It was not the only
speech making these points. There | 0:29:33 | 0:29:39 | |
was Senator Bob Corker, the chairman
of the foreign relations committee, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
Saint Donald Trump is a threat to
national security. There was the | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
speech of former President George W
Bush, making all of these speeches | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
about the destruction of civil
society by Donald Trump, without | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
naming him. And there were the
comments and the speech of Senator | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
John McCain, who was a former
Republican presidential candidate, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:03 | |
and who is critically ill and feels
unbound, now, to say whatever is on | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
his mind. So we have four
distinguished Republicans now | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
stepping forward, making a
consistent case about Donald Trump | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
and what we are seeing is a party
that is fracturing before our eyes. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
Sidney Blumenthal, thank you. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
For some, Annie Leibovitz is most
famous as the photographer who took | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
portraits of the Queen ten years
ago, and who unwittingly featured | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
in a BBC documentary film scandal
in which footage was edited | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
to falsely look as though the Queen
had stormed out in a huff. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
It would be a pity if that's
all you know of Leibovitz, though. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
Her portraits are highly valued
by subjects and viewers alike, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
from the beautifully
intimate, to lavish, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
over-the-top constructions. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:52 | |
And a new book of them
has just been published - | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
Portraits 2005 to 2016. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
Odd title, as some of there
are actually portraits from years | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
either side of those dates. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
But when I sat down with Annie
Leibovitz I didn't ask about that. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
We talked about some
of her photos, and inevitably, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
the politics behind them. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
Annie Leibovitz,
let's start with Hillary Clinton, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
because you'd planned to finish
the book, so to speak, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
with a portrait of Hillary Clinton
in the White House. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
Yeah, it was almost worse than that. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
I actually really
thought about doing the book, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
a good reason to do the book
at this time, and that time was just | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
literally over a year ago,
not that long ago, was with the idea | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
that it would end with
Hillary Clinton, which would be, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
you know, sort of a beginning. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
I imagined Hillary Clinton,
you know, in the Oval Office | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
and that was my ending.
Let's just say... | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
When it didn't happen, when she
was not elected and, you know... | 0:31:42 | 0:31:48 | |
I really thought about
not doing the book. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
It was just topsy-turvy,
you know, I mean, this kind | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
of amusing character,
you know, became the President | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
of the United States
and this woman who had | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
all the credentials, all... | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
Should have been the President
of the United States. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
It was a big blow. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
What was interesting is,
you've got a picture | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
of Hillary in the book. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:15 | |
It's not at the end, it's a picture
of her as Secretary of State. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
It was a tough decision about... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
You know, as I was finishing
the book, I had pictures | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
of Hillary Clinton on
the campaign trail, and you know, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
I had a photograph of Obama,
you know, literally his last day | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
in office, in the Oval
Office, and it looked... | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
And that's how the book
was ending and it looked sad. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
I did not want it to look like we...
That Hillary lost, you know. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:47 | |
And so on purpose, I kept
Hillary at work, during that period | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
of the Obama administration. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:56 | |
You've got an extraordinary
picture of Donald Trump | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
and Melania in the book.
Right, right. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
Very pregnant.
Yes, very pregnant. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
Tell us the story of that.
Well, the elements were there. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
It's not like... | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
We were supposed to meet them
on the tarmac, I think | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
they were on their way back
to New York, the plane was there. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
You know, basically,
in the stairway, the back entrance | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
to the Trump aeroplane,
you know, the motors on both sides. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
I just thought, "That's my,
that's my photograph | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
of the President and first Lady". | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
Sorry, we're going back to the early
2000s, now, so it's... | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Yes, so this is very...
It's not as president. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
No, it's not as president, no, no.
But did... | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
But it tells you who they are.
There's a gold bathing suit. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:42 | |
Helmut Newton used to get clothing
that was always like a size | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
too small for the person,
so it always looked like it was | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
going up their bottom or whatever. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
So it was, it was a classic,
you know, kind of, you know, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
Helmut Newton-style photograph
of Melania, sort of with... | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
You know, Donald Trump
as sort of an ornament. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
You've obviously not a fan
of Donald Trump as president. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
Do you have to like
the people you take? | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
I mean, you...
You know, we're not... | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
I personally have this issue
where I, I think it's a weakness | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
in my work where I do like to
admire and like people I photograph. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
But that, that's not the nature
of my work in the long run. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
I believe you should be able
to photograph people you don't like. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
But you never make
any of them look bad. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
I suspect you sometimes,
you pick up the vanity | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
or the grandeur they think
of themselves with but you don't... | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
I think if... | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
You know, I think that old saying,
"If you give some enough rope, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
they hang themselves",
I think that actually is really | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
very, very true in this work. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
Now talking about
controversial people... OK! | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
Harvey Weinstein.
Yes. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
There's a picture of
Harvey Weinstein, Bob Weinstein, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
with their mother, actually,
again going back to the early 2000s. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Yes, and because
this book is so new, it just | 0:34:57 | 0:35:04 | |
just came out, I'm like, "Oh, my
God, Harvey Weinstein's in there!" | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
Erm, but, I stand by
the photograph in some ways | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
because he is with his... | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
You know, I think this idea
of putting him and his | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
brother with their mother.
It's poignant, actually. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
There's a subconscious aspect
there of bringing him down to size, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
basically, you know,
with his small mother | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
standing in front of him.
I think it says a lot. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
Did... It's become
a very common question | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
to everybody in this,
your circle, I mean, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
did you know, had you heard much
about Harvey Weinstein? | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
I, I didn't know the, the details. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
That all of this is coming
to the surface is so long overdue | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
and, and that we are,
as a society, recognising, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
you know, all of this.
I mean, I, I haven't had... | 0:35:44 | 0:35:50 | |
You know, the most
pleasant experiences. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
You know, I've seen him more
as a bully, you know, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
in a couple of instances,
and you know,... | 0:35:57 | 0:36:04 | |
You know, actually said I would not
work on any of his sets any more. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
But I didn't know
about any of his, erm... | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
The sexual predation
was a different thing? Yeah. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
There was one woman who has,
there's no shortage of pictures of, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
of course, Queen Elizabeth. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:24 | |
And you got a really quite
extraordinary and wonderful picture | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
of her with Princess Anne
in an incredibly... Right. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
It makes me cry, that picture.
I love it because it feels... | 0:36:28 | 0:36:34 | |
I feel out of all the photographs
I've taken, it's not a great | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
photograph but it's a very genuine
look or feel from Queen Elizabeth. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
And I think they were very happy,
you know, to be together | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
in that photograph. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
Interestingly, that was of course
the second time, and she must have | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
liked you because she would not have
sat for you a second time if she | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
didn't appreciate the first time.
I, I... | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
One thinks when you have
that opportunity, it is never | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
going to happen again so when
it came up again, it was very... | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
Very humbling and amazing. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
And she, she's
such a willing subject. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
I mean, this is just,
the other thing is, imagine sitting | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
for Lucien Freud and that
very strange painting, and, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
you know, when I look
at all the sittings she does, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
she basically understands
that she is the muse | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
and she is to sit there
and be interpreted in as many | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
different ways as possible.
And, erm, she goes along with it. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:30 | |
I mean, she's totally giving herself
over to, to your vision. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
You don't like being called
a celebrity photographer. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
No, I can't stand that word.
I just, it just sounds cheap to me. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
I feel like I'm in a long-standing
tradition of portrait photographers, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
especially in these edits
of these books. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
The work is really, erm,
hopefully you can see our time. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
It is a story, you know,
about our time, the people that, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
you know, are making our time
and do things... | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
My portraits are about people who,
who either have achieved something | 0:38:02 | 0:38:08 | |
or, or are doing something
that matters, or... | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
An upbeat note to end. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
Annie Leibovitz,
lovely to talk to you. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
OK, thank you.
Thank you very much. Thanks. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
That's almost it. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
We leave you with the man
who was hailed by Elvis Presley | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
as the true King of Rock and Roll,
Fats Domino, who died | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
yesterday at the age of 89.
Here he is way back in 1956. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
Goodnight. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
# Ain't that a shame | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
# My tears fell like rain | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
# Ain't that a shame | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
# You're the one to blame | 0:38:41 | 0:38:47 | |
# Oh well, goodbye | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
# Although I cry | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
# Ain't that a shame | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
# My tears fell like rain | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
# Ain't that a shame | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
# You're the one to blame...# | 0:39:05 | 0:39:11 |