30/11/2017 Newsnight


30/11/2017

What next for the special relationship with the US? The DUP, the Irish border and Brexit. Plus NHS funding, artistic boycotts and selective mutism.


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This is a special relationship, the

relationship between America and

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Britain and we are going to keep it

that way.

The special relationship

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is important.

I'm grateful for the

opportunity to reaffirm the

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importance of the special

relationship.

The special

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relationship will be stronger.

As

part of our relationship... And and

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this is not another only a special

relationship, to me it is essential.

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That was then - this is now.

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Where now for the

special relationship?

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The fact that we work together does

not mean that we're afraid to say

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when we think the United States have

got it wrong and be very clear

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with them.

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And I'm very clear that re-tweeting

from Britain First was

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the wrong thing to do.

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After an extraordinary 24 hours

of tweets and tiffs,

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we'll examine the future

for London's relationship

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with Washington and Trump.

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Also tonight, are the Brexit talks

threatening Theresa May's

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alliance with the DUP?

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Last night I reported on the UK

Government's ideas for solving

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the Irish border question.

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Today their Northern Ireland

partners were in Downing Street.

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And...

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She is, at home, a typical teenager.

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But then when she leaves the house,

everything changes.

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The anxiety disorder so severe it

renders many children speechless.

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We have access to a therapy camp

for sufferers of selective

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mutism in New York.

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It was phrase coined

by Winston Churchill in 1946 -

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but 71 years later is there really

a "special relationship"

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between America and Britain and,

if there is, how does a President

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promoting far-right videos

and questioning the British

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Prime Minister on Twitter affect it?

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This is now a very 21st century

diplomatic conflict -

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with British government ministers

taking to social media to attack

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Donald Trump and the President

responding in kind.

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Today Theresa May resisted calls

to cancel a state visit to Britain

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planned for Mr Trump and -

choosing her words carefully -

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said that the President's retweets

yesterday of Britain First

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material was wrong.

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But can the UK really do anything

to stay close to the world's

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economic and political super-power?

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And should it want to stay

so close whatever emanates

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from the White House?

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Here's our political

editor Nick Watt.

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Three very different prime

ministers, but they all had one

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memorable moment in common. Each had

a run-in with a US president, and

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yes, that did include the iron Lady.

Has Theresa May joined the ranks of

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those past Number Ten troublemakers,

following her very public

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disagreement with Donald Trump?

President Trump igniting a

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firestorm. A series of tweets today.

What is happening and what you think

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the consequences are?

Over here,

there was powerful condemnation of

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the President in Parliament.

Offensive to all decent British

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people.

Donald Trump is actively

sowing seeds of hate in our country.

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The president of the United States

and talks about fake news, actually

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re-tweeted fake news.

In Jordan,

Theresa May made no secret of her

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irritation.

Britain First is a

hateful organisation. It seeks to

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spread division and mistrust among

our communities. I'm very clear that

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re-tweeting from Britain First was

the wrong thing to do.

This row is

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all a far cry from the warm days of

Theresa May's first visit to the

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White House, when she followed the

rule book of recent predecessors who

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have helped US President's close.

This Prime Minister moved that

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particular speed, because she had

hoped the harness President Trump's

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and used as for Brexit to accelerate

a new trade deal for the US. That

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new era in the Anglo-American

special relationship was meant to

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begin here with the opening of the

new US embassy by the River Thames.

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He was supposed to perform the

ceremony? That would be Donald

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Trump. But his visit across the pond

is being delayed and delayed and

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delayed. This might all seem

surprisingly bumpy but we have been

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here before. The building this one

is replacing over the Thames in

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Grosvenor Square, came to symbolise

one of the most difficult periods of

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that relationship in the 1960s.

Tempers flared at the height of the

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Vietnam War, even though Harold

Wilson had refused a request by

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President Johnson to send troops.

At

the height of the Suez Canal

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crisis...

A decade earlier, Anthony

Eden had incurred the wrath of

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Washington during the Suez crisis.

And then there was Margaret Thatcher

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who did occasionally stand up to one

Drake and in private. So how has

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Theresa May handled her own row?

Give anybody credit for speaking up

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when it's required. And I think of

for her for doing that. I'm being

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careful about not criticising my

president and favouring another over

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him, but, you know, I say good for

her. I wish more Republicans in

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America would stand up against a

tweet like that from the president.

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I would not expect the Prime

Minister to respond in the kind of

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chaotic Twitter way that the

president of the United States has

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attacked her, I think that would be

completely inappropriate. But I

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would expect her to have an

extremely firm behind the scenes

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response, because this is completely

unacceptable from the president

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about what should be our greatest

ally. And he also needs to be urged

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to take the tweets down, and also to

understand why it is so damaging to

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be promoting a far right extremist

group like that, and I am concerned

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that really there has not been a

clear sense from the government

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about what action they have taken

from the White House on this.

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Battered and bruised or living to

fight another day? Where does this

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row leave the special relationship?

I think it is bigger than any one

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day or anyone fight. It has endured

through however many prime ministers

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and presidents on both sides, and I

think it still will. It is really

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built in our connections with each

other as people and the country and

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values that we share.

Over so many

years, our two countries together

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have stood firm against both far

right extremism and jihadi extremism

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and will continue to do so, but we

have to continue that special

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relationship through our

institutions, throughout Corporation

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and not think it means actually

pandering at the individual level to

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a president who is behaving in a way

that is really damaging to our

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communities.

With its commanding

views over London, a new US embassy

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should be the perfect base to usher

in a new era in the Anglo-American

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special relationship. First of all,

there's Riverside diplomats may have

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to work on a basic repair job.

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Nick Watt there.

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And this story is unsurprisingly

dominating most of

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the papers tomorrow.

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A couple here for you.

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The Telegraph has a story which Nick

mentioned in his piece, there -

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they're reporting that

Donald Trump's 'working visit'

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in January has been cancelled.

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It says the president had been due

to make a scaled-down trip to meet

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Theresa May but that it's now been

kicked into the longer grass.

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The Mirror has a striking front page

- a full banner with an image

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of Mr Trump.

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'Unwanted' is their headline.

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Our diplomatic editor

Mark Urban is with me now.

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Mark, it is quite remarkable, you

have been covering diplomatic spats

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and rows and conflicts over many

years. Now this row over 240

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characters on Twitter, have you ever

seen anything like this, and what is

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the challenge for the British

government when they are looking at

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how the president is behaving?

You

could argue if you're being

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Machiavellian that sometimes a bit

of friction is quite useful. A lot

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of people in the Foreign Office,

when you are covering at prime

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ministerial visit to the White

House, they

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literally roll their eyes when the

press start asking questions about

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the special relationship, they

regard it as a media of session. A

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lot gets debated between a special

relationship and the special

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relationship which is the phrase

Churchill used. Abel would recognise

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that it is a special relation ship,

the connections of the anglers fear,

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comment economics and other things,

but it is not the special

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relationship as it was at the end of

the war. I think the real bastions

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of it is still in the areas where

there are things which may deals can

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do with the UK. GCHQ signals

intelligence, the Trident nuclear

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submarine deterrent, those are areas

where it has a real beating heart

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and it is Internet at cooperation,

but so many others, this type of

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thing can be helpful in undermining

the poodle perception which people

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were so worried about under Tony

Blair.

Is there more diplomatic

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risk. Is Donald Trump cooled to

Britain and signalling his anger

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almost about Theresa May and the way

Britain behaves on certain issues?

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Is this simply badinage and does not

matter much or is there something

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more significant underlying?

He is

trying to say to the Prime Minister

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did school me, focus on your

problem, as he would see it of

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Islamic militancy, rather than

having a go at me. In that sense it

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is a bad-tempered early-morning

typical trump tweet. But I can

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remember when President Obama came,

the feeling was because of his

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memoir about his father, his

experiences in Kenya, he had an

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ambivalent attitude towards Britain

and British power and he would be a

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difficult customer. I think in some

ways, President Trump's instincts

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are more instinctively pro-British.

But in terms of it being a special

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relationship rather than the special

relationship, the Americans regard

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Germans as being economic and

political partners of choice in

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European matters. The French, in

many of those military situations,

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for example I was talking about

special forces cooperating in Mali,

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thus Hell, Iraq and Syria, our

special forces are uneasy about the

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degree to which those are being

cemented because ever since Britain

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bailed early in southern Iraq, the

Americans have had an ambivalent

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attitude towards the UK.

And there

is the issue about the visit to the

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UK.

And the Bastille day with

resident Macron.

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Joining me now in the studio

is Baroness Neville Jones,

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who was Minister of Security

from 2010-2011,

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when Theresa May was Home Secretary.

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In Washington DC we are joined

by Mica Mosbacher who was

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a national surrogate

for the Trump presidential campaign.

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Baroness Neville Jones, can we start

with you, do you feel Theresa May

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has handled the situation well?

Should she have been more direct?

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Sajid Javid, the Communities

Secretary, was very clear about what

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he described Britain First as being

a vile hate field organisation, very

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aggressive on Donald Trump usher a

vile hate filled organisation.

She

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was right, she is the Prime

Minister. Sajid Javid said he was

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attacking people like him. Theresa

May made her point effectively and I

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would advise that it as it as far as

she's concerned. I don't think she

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should engage in a slanging match or

demean herself by having a further

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round of an pleasant exchange. There

is too much at stake, apart from

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anything else, and I think that what

we witnessed with Trump, is that

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part of his reaction has to do with

the fact that this kind of tweet and

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this kind of comment has to do with

sustaining his political base at

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home. I don't think it has much to

do with foreign policy at all. I

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don't think he particularly cares

about the effect on the outside

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world. That is not a luxury that is

open to us here. I think that it is

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another reason for innocence

discounting it. I think get on with

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foreign policy. What Mark said about

the special relationship is

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absolutely right. It is an iceberg.

There is something that is visible

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on top, and normally it is a good

relationship between the president

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and the Prime Minister with two

heads of government, and you have

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this great enormous activity which

goes on which is largely unseen.

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That goes on now anyway. Could it,

if we had a long prolonged period of

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really frosty relations at the top,

would that affect the relationship

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down below? Yes, I think it would. I

don't think that is the situation we

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are in but we need to be careful.

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Is it correct that despite the

controversy that President Trump is

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creating by retweeting be Britain

First video, true or not, as his

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spokeswoman said, should he be

extended the courtesy still other

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State visit here? Is that really the

right approach? The public might not

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understand the politicking about

this, the man will ride on the coach

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down the Mall.

The invitation has

been extended. It might be a bit of

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an albatross but it has been

extended. I think that it is a very

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serious act to remove it. That is an

act of state and very personal. I

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think you don't. That is something

you don't go. I think it might give

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us a really nice catharsis but it is

not a sensible act of state. The

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question of, when and how he comes

and in what circumstances... It does

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come up in the context of Prince

Harry's wedding. This is an issue

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anyway, even if the Prime Minister

had not invited him.

Thank you. Can

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I bring you in, can you understand

how the shock here, the President of

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the United States has retweeted a

far right organisation, the White

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House official spokeswoman has said

it is not the point whether these

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videos are true or not, can you

understand that on the side of the

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Atlantic is total shock and a high

degree of anger and, frankly,

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discussed about what the President

has tweeted?

The President's tweeds

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are strategic and what he is saying

is that Theresa May, you have a

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problem. According to the 2011

census we have over 2,660,000

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Muslims in the UK, you have had

unprecedented levels of terror

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attacks under Theresa May's watch.

One of the leading terrorist experts

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are stated that over 47,000 Muslim

extremists have been identified.

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What the President is trying to do

is elevate this problem to an

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international discussion. Theresa

May and the UK are like family, what

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is happening in a way is a sort of

sibling rivalry. It has succeeded in

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elevating an international

conversation and we are America

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first but not America alone.

Those

numbers will be disputed and some of

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the points about Muslim communities

here but whatever the arguments

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about that, is Twitter really the

right way to communicate Follies

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delegate and serious issues? Could

the President not simply have spoken

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to the Prime Minister on the phone

about his concerns, rather than this

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approach that critics have said is

so incendiary?

He is not politically

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correct and he is a businessman. And

here's to come from a position of

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strength to protect American

borders, especially in the fact that

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we cannot that certain individuals

coming from five countries that are

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hotbeds for terrorism and that

simply is a problem in the UK, from

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what I understand you are bringing

in Syrian refugees seeking asylum

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and they cannot possibly have been

vetted thoroughly. The problem that

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is originating in the UK with

terrorism is something that does

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concern the United States,

especially in terms of protecting

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Americans. That is why he is

including Americans in this

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conversation and the general public

worldwide, instead of appeasing

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enemies or not getting into any

discussion, he welcomes... You

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referenced Churchill earlier.

Remember President Obama stored the

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bust of Churchill in some dark

closet and the first thing President

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Trump did was to bring this boss

died.

That is actually disputed.

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Thank you very much. -- bring this

bust out. Thank you both for your

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time.

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This week's movements in Brexit can

be summed up in two words -

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"money" and "Ireland".

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The cash, it seems,

for now is sorted -

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with Britain's negotiators

reportedly agreeing at least

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the outline of a divorce

bill with Brussels.

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The future for the Irish

question is less clear.

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Newsnight reported from Dublin

yesterday about the tricky questions

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which persist over customs

and border arrangements

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between Northern Ireland

and the Republic once Britain

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leaves the EU.

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Today there were reports

of a potential breakthrough,

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but not, it seems, on terms which

might meet the approval of the DUP.

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They are partners of

Mrs May's Conservatives

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in government, remember -

and they responded by hinting that

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if they didn't like what they heard

then they might pull the plug

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on the deal.

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Nick Watt is here.

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Tell us a bit about what the

reaction has been to the initial

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idea that there was new progress on

this idea of the Irish border and

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Northern Ireland could have a

slightly different relationship with

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the Republic and the UK could still

be in float of outside the customs

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and single union?

Last night I was

hoping the government would use the

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principles of the Good Friday

Agreement who try to unlock the

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deadlock in this issue and they were

talking about taking those elements

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of cross-border co-operation and

embedding them into the agreement

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with the EU so animal health, into

the area of agriculture and the

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single energy market on the island

of Ireland. All fine. The Times

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reported some of that but they went

further and said there was growing

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confidence in Dublin that there

would be an avoidance of regulation

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array divergence between Northern

Ireland and the Irish Republic. The

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DUP not amused, I spoke to Ian

Paisley this evening and he said

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that idea in Dublin is largely

blarney and a DUP delegation went

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into Downing Street to see the Chief

of Staff and they got an assurance

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that the UK government will ensure

that Northern Ireland does not

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remain in the Customs Union and in

the single market, it will go out

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with the EU with the rest of the UK.

The point is, the UK government was

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never going to do that so it is a

strawman, there is a very close

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relationship between the

Conservative whips and the DUP

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whips, they are keeping the DUP

informed so in that element I think

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it was a bit of a confected anger.

When the DUP be angry even at the

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notion of energy and agriculture

links? Is that not the thin end of

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the wedge?

The UK government view is

this can be sold to the DUP because

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earlier this year they wouldn't

government with Sinn Fein dealing

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with those cross-border issues.

Animal health, you have to be

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careful, the DUP would say, on how

far you go on agriculture because

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there canopy complete compliance.

Thank you. -- there cannot be.

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The Chancellor insisted

in the Budget last week

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that he was giving more money

to the NHS in England -

0:21:580:22:01

and plenty of it.

0:22:010:22:02

But the £1.6 billion he offered fell

short of the £4 billion

0:22:020:22:04

the NHS' Chief Executive,

0:22:040:22:06

Simon Stevens, had asked for.

0:22:060:22:07

Today Mr Stevens said the shortfall

meant the health service

0:22:070:22:09

could neither fund nor

meet its waiting times next year.

0:22:090:22:12

For the first time, the NHS

will also ignore new best

0:22:120:22:14

practice guidelines issued

by the National Institute for Health

0:22:140:22:17

and Care Excellence unless funding

has been agreed in advance.

0:22:170:22:21

The Health Secretary,

Jeremy Hunt, hit back,

0:22:210:22:23

saying the NHS has enough funds

to meet its obligations.

0:22:230:22:29

A major fight is building.

0:22:290:22:32

Here's Chris Cook.

0:22:320:22:33

The NHS had some clear demands

for last week's Budget.

0:22:330:22:36

£4 billion next year,

just to begin with.

0:22:360:22:39

But they didn't get

what they wanted.

0:22:390:22:42

We also recognise that the NHS

is under pressure right now.

0:22:420:22:47

I am therefore, exceptionally

and outside the spending review

0:22:470:22:50

process, making an additional

commitment of resource

0:22:500:22:54

funding of £2.8 billion

to the NHS in England.

0:22:540:23:00

So why does the NHS seem

to need so much money?

0:23:000:23:04

NHS demand is a tide that comes

in and never goes out.

0:23:040:23:09

Since 2010, the number of people

going to English A&E

0:23:090:23:12

departments has risen steadily.

0:23:120:23:16

We have an ageing and growing

society which requires an ever

0:23:160:23:18

rising quantity of care.

0:23:180:23:21

Since just 2010, we have 250,000

more people going to A&Es

0:23:210:23:25

every single month.

0:23:250:23:29

Today, the NHS England board says it

thinks it can't keep up with this

0:23:290:23:32

demand on this Budget.

0:23:320:23:35

The additional funding

is obviously helpful,

0:23:350:23:36

given the very significant financial

and operational pressures

0:23:360:23:39

that we face next year.

0:23:390:23:42

But even with some pretty ambitious

assumptions around efficiency,

0:23:420:23:45

our assessment is that it

won't enable the NHS to deliver

0:23:450:23:49

all of the expectations

which are placed upon it

0:23:490:23:51

while living within its means.

0:23:510:23:55

This will be a running battle as NHS

England re-negotiates its so-called

0:23:550:23:58

mandate for next year.

0:23:580:24:01

It is given money on the basis

that it hits its targets,

0:24:010:24:04

but it's really hard to see how

the NHS will do that

0:24:040:24:06

again in the near term.

0:24:060:24:10

Let's look at the Accident

and Emergency target.

0:24:100:24:13

This graph shows how

many patients are dealt

0:24:130:24:15

with within four hours of arriving.

0:24:150:24:16

The target is 95% of them.

0:24:160:24:18

So, here's 2011-12.

0:24:180:24:21

The graph starts at left,

in the summer, moves through a drop

0:24:210:24:24

in performance in the winter

and then, at the right-hand

0:24:240:24:27

side, it bounces back

in the spring of the next year.

0:24:270:24:30

Here's a few years on.

0:24:300:24:31

2014-15.

0:24:310:24:33

It's the same rough annual shape.

0:24:330:24:36

But look...

0:24:360:24:37

We start off lower down

and the dip is much bigger.

0:24:370:24:40

Here, though, is 2015-16.

0:24:400:24:43

A dip in the winter

and then no recovery.

0:24:430:24:46

That is how we got

to where we are today.

0:24:460:24:50

Heading into the winter a long way

behind where we want to be.

0:24:500:24:55

Today, urgent care was listed

as the top priority.

0:24:550:25:00

First and foremost, people look

to the NHS to provide safe

0:25:000:25:03

and responsive urgent

and emergency care services.

0:25:030:25:06

So we've got to make sure

those are funded properly

0:25:060:25:08

going into next year.

0:25:080:25:11

A&E, though, isn't the only target.

0:25:110:25:13

92% of people should be dealt

with by a consultant

0:25:130:25:16

within 18 weeks of referral.

0:25:160:25:19

Now, let's look at how

quickly the top 92%

0:25:190:25:21

of patients are actually seen.

0:25:210:25:23

This is the so-called

92nd percentile.

0:25:230:25:26

If the line is below that

dotted 18 week mark,

0:25:260:25:29

we are meeting the target.

0:25:290:25:32

At the moment, though,

we are above it, by about two weeks.

0:25:320:25:36

Two weeks of 18 is a big miss.

0:25:360:25:40

Jeremy Hunt this afternoon

said that he expected

0:25:400:25:43

the targets to stay in place.

0:25:430:25:44

We will see.

0:25:440:25:46

NHS England was founded in 2013

as an entity independent

0:25:460:25:49

from central government,

to take the politics out of hell.

0:25:490:25:57

-- out of hell.

0:25:570:26:00

Instead, it's turned NHS England

into a political force that can

0:26:000:26:03

inflict damage as well as heal it.

0:26:030:26:05

Chris Cook.

0:26:050:26:09

Selective mutism is an anxiety

disorder which can deprive children

0:26:090:26:11

of the ability to speak

when they want.

0:26:110:26:13

For the young people affected,

and their parents,

0:26:130:26:15

it can cause emotional heartbreak -

leading to isolation

0:26:150:26:17

and hindering development.

0:26:170:26:20

Finding ways to help the children

can be controversial.

0:26:200:26:23

A clinic in New York organises some

an intensive therapy camps

0:26:230:26:27

for teenage and older children

who are sufferers,

0:26:270:26:31

run over five days.

0:26:310:26:33

Critics say that puts too much

pressure on those taking part

0:26:330:26:37

and instead they should be helped

and supported in a more gentle way.

0:26:370:26:41

A BBC Our World team was allowed

inside to hear from parents,

0:26:410:26:45

and their children, about living

with the condition and to see

0:26:450:26:48

the progress they can

make in a short time.

0:26:480:26:52

Is it easier to talk

to your mom or at school?

0:26:520:27:02

Or it's the same?

0:27:080:27:12

You see this fear overcome her.

0:27:120:27:15

She is not talking

to anybody in school.

0:27:150:27:17

It's affected her whole life.

0:27:170:27:20

It's very, very difficult.

0:27:200:27:23

Welcome to We Speak!

0:27:290:27:31

CHEERING.

0:27:310:27:33

All of you guys are here

because in one way or another,

0:27:330:27:36

anxiety is impacting your life.

0:27:360:27:41

Selective mutism is an anxiety

disorder where kids have difficulty

0:27:410:27:45

talking in certain situations,

so they look like normal kids

0:27:450:27:51

at home and when they are in a state

of anxiety, then they just kind

0:27:510:27:56

of shut down and freeze.

0:27:560:27:59

For kids with SM, the longer

that they go without talking, then

0:27:590:28:03

the harder it is to start talking.

0:28:030:28:08

We've got to work for our prizes...

0:28:080:28:10

Annalisa is very funny.

0:28:100:28:12

I wish people could

see that, you know?

0:28:120:28:16

She is, at home, a typical teenager.

0:28:190:28:21

But then, when she leaves the house,

everything changes.

0:28:210:28:24

Is your name Annalisa,

Lexi or Shelley?

0:28:240:28:29

Diagnosed at the age of five.

0:28:320:28:34

I went home and googled it.

0:28:340:28:36

And then cried.

0:28:360:28:37

Because...

0:28:370:28:38

Sorry.

0:28:380:28:40

Because I realised she was different

and it wasn't just shyness.

0:28:400:28:48

And it's affected her whole life.

0:28:480:28:53

I'm hoping that she'll be able

to lead a normal life.

0:28:530:28:56

Get married, have children,

have a job, go to college.

0:28:560:29:01

But a lot of that hangs

in the balance over will

0:29:010:29:04

she be able to talk?

0:29:040:29:06

Do we conquer anxiety by doing

the thing that makes us anxious?

0:29:060:29:10

The cause of selective mutism

is kind of a combination

0:29:100:29:12

of environment and genetics.

0:29:120:29:16

And parents, they will kind of jump

in and either answer

0:29:160:29:20

for the child or they might say,

it's OK, honey, you

0:29:200:29:23

don't need to answer.

0:29:230:29:26

So through that process,

the child is actually learning

0:29:260:29:30

to avoid the situations that

make them anxious.

0:29:300:29:36

So, on video games, you can

tell your parents, excuse me,

0:29:510:29:53

I'm just trying to learn

problem-solving skills here.

0:29:530:29:58

James talks to me and his dad

and his brother and my parents.

0:29:580:30:01

And that's really it.

0:30:010:30:03

Nobody at school.

0:30:030:30:09

Let's jump out!

0:30:090:30:11

It's very hard.

0:30:110:30:14

At points you feel angry

because you don't know how

0:30:140:30:16

to help him and when there is no

help out there and no one knows

0:30:160:30:26

what to do and the teachers think

he is just defiant and just doesn't

0:30:280:30:32

want to speak and you

know it's not true.

0:30:320:30:34

I feel like this week

is make or break it.

0:30:340:30:37

I don't want to say our last chance

because I would hate to say that.

0:30:370:30:41

But I really do think we need this

right now and we need

0:30:410:30:44

it to be successful.

0:30:440:30:45

Chelsea is going to ask

you the question as yes or no.

0:30:450:30:48

Does that make sense to you?

0:30:480:30:51

Hand down.

0:30:510:30:52

Yes, beautiful.

0:30:520:30:55

So, for Annalisa, I can

feed her a line of,

0:31:000:31:04

you could ask me this,

and then she will ask me back.

0:31:040:31:08

But no spontaneous

utterances thus far.

0:31:080:31:12

You can ask the question here.

0:31:120:31:15

Where is the jalapenos?

In the produce aisle, awesome.

0:31:150:31:18

Great job asking, that was

so awesome and clear.

0:31:180:31:22

Did it feel a little

scary or really scary?

0:31:220:31:29

You don't know.

0:31:290:31:31

What I said was either sit down...

0:31:310:31:33

Sometimes I advise parents to write

letters to their kids.

0:31:330:31:36

Because they don't have to do

the interpersonal stuff,

0:31:360:31:38

they can read it and reread it.

0:31:380:31:42

People say, what's the researcher

evidence for this?

0:31:420:31:46

We're not quite there to be able

to say, you can take it to the bank,

0:31:460:31:50

this is going to work.

0:31:500:31:51

But we are confident about tweaking

the programme to make it work.

0:31:510:31:58

This afternoon, our group

is going to Battery Park,

0:31:580:32:01

so all of the kids will be

communicating with each other

0:32:010:32:04

and with someone else

out in the community.

0:32:040:32:07

So this should be exciting!

0:32:070:32:09

So just say, let's ask.

0:32:090:32:11

Just start it off.

0:32:110:32:13

You're watching this child

who I know can talk and I know

0:32:130:32:17

he wants to talk and he just can't

get it out.

0:32:170:32:21

I've asked him before,

where are your words?

0:32:210:32:24

Why can't you get your words out?

0:32:240:32:26

And he will say, they're

stuck in my head.

0:32:260:32:28

I can't get it out.

0:32:280:32:30

When his words get stuck

in his head, my anxiety level really

0:32:300:32:33

does increase and I feel

like I want to grab him and hug him

0:32:330:32:36

and make it all better.

0:32:360:32:38

Three.

0:32:380:32:40

Great job!

0:32:400:32:43

We need them to actually experience

the anxiety in these situations

0:32:430:32:46

and get through it for them to see

that they can.

0:32:460:32:50

What is it?

0:32:500:32:52

Statue of Liberty, yeah!

0:32:520:32:55

We would love for James to have just

a friend to talk to.

0:32:550:32:59

I can't imagine going through life

and not having a friend.

0:32:590:33:06

Annalisa blows me away.

0:33:090:33:10

She was up there in front

of an entire class.

0:33:100:33:15

Did you guys go to the museum

with your parents or

0:33:150:33:18

without your parents?

0:33:180:33:20

Without.

0:33:200:33:21

Without your parents.

0:33:210:33:24

Did you guys talk in the museum

or were you silent?

0:33:240:33:28

We talked about the flavours

on the High Line.

0:33:280:33:32

We then talked about

what flavours we love.

0:33:320:33:37

Everyone could hear her and she

answered everyone's questions.

0:33:370:33:42

APPLAUSE.

0:33:430:33:48

Annalisa.

0:33:480:33:50

APPLAUSE.

0:33:500:33:51

I'm so lucky to get

to hang out with her.

0:33:510:33:53

We made a million

bracelets together!

0:33:530:33:55

If she is able to start

the new school year able

0:33:550:33:58

to raise her hand and say here,

then the kids in the class

0:33:580:34:01

know that she can talk.

0:34:010:34:03

That would be the first time

the kids in the class

0:34:030:34:05

ever hear her voice.

0:34:050:34:06

That is massive progress.

0:34:060:34:11

I have to say, when I saw her little

presentation, it almost

0:34:110:34:14

brought tears to my eyes.

0:34:140:34:15

I was very happy.

0:34:150:34:18

Amazing!

0:34:180:34:22

We were being fully engaged

and playing Monopoly.

0:34:220:34:25

I never thought that James would be

able to stand up at the end.

0:34:250:34:29

Just even standing in front

of 20 parents and getting

0:34:290:34:31

a certificate, not speaking.

0:34:310:34:32

I mean, that was impressive.

0:34:320:34:35

I was concerned that he might not

speak to his one mentor.

0:34:350:34:38

It does look like they are tiny

steps, but in reality

0:34:380:34:41

for James, they are huge,

enormous, great leaps.

0:34:410:34:43

This is not a cure for these kids.

0:34:430:34:44

This is the start of their journey

to overcome and challenge their SM.

0:34:440:34:55

That film by producer Harriet

Shawcross.

0:35:160:35:19

And you can see a longer version

of that film about selective mutism

0:35:190:35:22

on Our World on the BBC News Channel

next Saturday and Sunday

0:35:220:35:25

evenings at 9.30pm and,

of course, on BBC iPlayer.

0:35:250:35:27

Increasing social mobility

is a policy challenge that

0:35:270:35:29

all governments tell us

they want to tackle -

0:35:290:35:32

yet we know that there are huge

variations across the country

0:35:320:35:34

in outcomes for the

most disadvantaged.

0:35:340:35:36

The television presenter

June Sarpong went back to her school

0:35:360:35:38

in East London to see what they did

there to help her get ahead.

0:35:380:35:48

When Theresa May spoke at the

Conservative Party conference of

0:35:520:35:56

reigniting the British dream, my

hope was that her talk would lead to

0:35:560:36:01

urgent action. Research by the

London School of Economics reveals

0:36:010:36:06

diversity and social mobility has

ground to a halt. Only 4% of

0:36:060:36:12

doctors, 6% of barristers, 11% of

journalists and 12% of solicitors

0:36:120:36:17

and from working-class backgrounds.

These are all my contemporaries.

0:36:170:36:21

Here I am! My journey and my

experiences have given me the

0:36:210:36:28

opportunity to take a 360 degrees

view on this issue. Sadly, my story

0:36:280:36:33

is far from the norm, but I believe

we can all be beneficiaries, if we

0:36:330:36:39

do diversify. Recently, the

government released its race

0:36:390:36:43

disparity audit, and as welcome as

that was, and we know the problems,

0:36:430:36:47

the things I found depressing was

that there were not any solutions

0:36:470:36:51

offered. I have come back to East

London where I grew up, to

0:36:510:37:04

show how I feel my story represent

social mobility when it is done

0:37:050:37:08

right. I'm here at my school which

is Connaught School for Girls, which

0:37:080:37:10

is an ordinary state school, but

what it did have was aspiration. Our

0:37:100:37:13

schools should be a microcosm of

society. At Connacht will came from

0:37:130:37:15

diverse backgrounds but we knew the

best was expected from us and we

0:37:150:37:18

strove to achieve it. Good to see

you!

He did not do GCSE textiles.

0:37:180:37:26

You were good in the lower school.

Connaught's progress levels are

0:37:260:37:37

above the national average. The

Allan Nyom include Asha Philip 's in

0:37:370:37:44

athletics. This is all from the

school where they descent of pupils

0:37:440:37:51

receive free school meals. Sally

Walker taught at the school and

0:37:510:37:54

returned three years ago a head

teacher. How do you feel in terms of

0:37:540:37:59

social mobility? Schools like this

are the first stop. It is here that

0:37:590:38:03

someone's mind is possibilities then

their background wouldn't ordinarily

0:38:030:38:09

allow.

Really throughout curriculum,

our pastoral work and our assembly

0:38:090:38:16

programme, by talking to girls in

the school and the playground, we

0:38:160:38:19

make them believe they can succeed

through hard work. You do have to

0:38:190:38:23

work with them but your world is

your oyster and you can go out there

0:38:230:38:27

and do something for yourself.

I

believe creating a diverse upwardly

0:38:270:38:34

mobile workforce begins in the

classroom. When you look at the

0:38:340:38:37

outcomes that have been able to

happen in this very small community,

0:38:370:38:41

these are the sort of example is the

government should be looking to

0:38:410:38:44

replicate and scale throughout the

country.

You walk along the

0:38:440:38:56

corridors and half of them have got

no lights.

Paula is not alone in the

0:38:560:39:02

squalor of this estate, a relic of

the 1960s.

It is not just education.

0:39:020:39:08

How we live is a key factor in

social mobility. I was raised in the

0:39:080:39:15

80s on this housing estate, at a

time when people like us felt

0:39:150:39:18

neglected and forgotten by the

state.

Paradoxically the scheme to

0:39:180:39:22

patch up the estate is only £30

million less than knocking it down

0:39:220:39:26

and starting again. Despite the

decision blocking that, residents

0:39:260:39:31

and councillors say they will

continue their uniquely close

0:39:310:39:34

relationship and fight on.

This is

the former site of the Cathall

0:39:340:39:45

state. When I grew up here it was

one of the roughest housing estates

0:39:450:39:50

in East London. It was torn down in

the early 2000 and replaced with

0:39:500:39:54

what you see now. An example of

social mobility done right when you

0:39:540:39:58

raise living standards. The

close-knit and diverse community I

0:39:580:40:05

experienced as a child in

Walthamstow helped shape my sense of

0:40:050:40:09

belonging and also provided a

support network. When I was growing

0:40:090:40:14

up, this was the hub of the

community. The market stall holders

0:40:140:40:20

were mainly white working-class

survivors of the Second World War.

0:40:200:40:24

They were community minded and they

welcomed diversity and families like

0:40:240:40:29

mine. Walthamstow has changed

considerably over the last 30 years.

0:40:290:40:34

Globalisation and gentrification

have meant the incomes that these

0:40:340:40:37

markets stallholders once learned

are no longer what they were. And

0:40:370:40:44

unfortunately, the Community

Cohesion Minister I experienced

0:40:440:40:46

growing up no longer exists either.

Do you think people still mix like

0:40:460:40:52

David before?... Know, before it was

English, yes, and you have no space

0:40:520:40:57

even to walk the street. But now, I

think no English people in the

0:40:570:41:01

market. Or Asian, Turkish, Indian.

No English. Why do you think there

0:41:010:41:09

is no English?

It is the main thing

because the house prices are going

0:41:090:41:12

up. They sell their property and

they go to a different town.

My

0:41:120:41:18

friends were nearby, there must have

been 20 of them here but they have

0:41:180:41:27

all gone because they can't make

ends meet. It is tough, very tough.

0:41:270:41:29

They have all gone. People come up

and they ask how much it is and

0:41:290:41:32

unfortunately you have to do sign

language, because they can't speak

0:41:320:41:34

English.

Social inequality needs to

be tackled by our institutions with

0:41:340:41:41

the same vigour that segregation and

races were in the latter decades of

0:41:410:41:46

the 20th century. We need to charge

the arms of our government machinery

0:41:460:41:50

to work together and more

effectively for the common good. And

0:41:500:41:53

I firmly believe we need an

education system that provides a

0:41:530:41:59

clear pathway unemployment, social

mobility and financial stability for

0:41:590:42:03

everyone.

0:42:030:42:06

June Sarpong there.

0:42:060:42:08

And that's all we have

time for tonight.

0:42:080:42:10

Emily is here tomorrow - goodnight.

0:42:100:42:13

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