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Ireland is unhappy. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
The DUP is unhappy. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
And now some of the Brexiteers
in her own party are very unhappy. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
This is a game being played out over
power and the answer at the end | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
boils down to who will call
the shots on this, and right now | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
we have to say, not good enough. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
You need to change this process
and to back off, otherwise we get | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
on with other arrangements. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
Can Theresa May escape the tangle
of competing demands | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
on her Brexit vision? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
The clock is ticking. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
We hear from the European Parliament
and from a prominent Brexiteer. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
Should Britain or the EU make
the next concession? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
A doctor made a series of mistakes. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
A six-year-old child died. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:54 | |
Should the doctor be
allowed to practise again? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
We hear from the mother
of Jack Adcock, who died | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
at the Leicester Royal Infirmary,
and a doctor who wants the NHS | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
to learn lessons rather than punish
those who make errors. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
Putin likes showing the world
his sporting prowess. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
But his country's team are barred
from the 2018 Winter Olympics. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
Does he benefit from playing
the victim of the West? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
We ask the president
of the anti-doping authorities | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
and an expert on Russian democracy. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
Hello. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
A Brexit deal to get us
to the next phase of talks | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
didn't happen yesterday,
and today there's been more drama. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
Theresa May is now trapped
between Brexiteer MPs' desire | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
to stop making concessions,
the Taoiseach's veto over the next | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
round of talks, and the DUP's hold
over her government. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
Is it like the end
of Reservoir Dogs? | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
Feels like it. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
But at the heart
of it is a trilemma. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
The UK Government is looking
for three things from which the EU | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
says we can only have two. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Britain wants no land border between
Northern Ireland and the Republic. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
It wants no sea border
between Northern Ireland | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
and the rest of the UK. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
But it wants no EU control at home -
independence from EU rules - | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
which implies a border
between Britain and the EU. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
The Irish say they'll not accept
a breach of number one. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
The DUP will not tolerate
a breach of number two. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
So does that mean we have no choice
but to breach number three? | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Well, that's not what Iain
Duncan Smith and his | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
fellow Brexiteers want. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
Brexit Secretary David Davis kind
of admitted that three | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
is the one to look at,
but in the Commons today he thought | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
we could still take back control
even if we align many of our rules | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
to the EU's. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
The presumption of the discussion
was that everything we talked | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
about applied to the whole
United Kingdom. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
Alignment isn't harmonisation. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
It isn't having exactly
the same rules. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
It is sometimes having
mutually recognised rules, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
mutually recognised inspection -
that is what we are aiming at. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Well, can we really have a UK-wide
arrangement that allows us to be | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
different from the EU,
but similar enough for Northern | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
Ireland not to have a border? | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
There are two thoughts about this. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
We need a fudge in a form
of words that simply gets us | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
to the next stage of talks,
and then we work out | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
a solution properly later. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
Or that we have to face
the difficult choice now, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
as it won't go away by a carefully
drafted piece of | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
constructive ambiguity. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
Nick Watt is with me. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:33 | |
What did you make of David Davis 's
session? Those specific remarks were | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
meant to reassure the DUP that this
idea, this new buzz phrase, of | 0:03:39 | 0:03:45 | |
regulatory alignment would apply
across the UK. Yes, there would be a | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
Northern Ireland element, which is
essentially embedding those elements | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
are cross-border co-operation in the
Good Friday agreement, but the UK | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
wide element is how you deliver that
regulatory alignment and what it is | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
about is the UK deciding what to do
as a rule-maker, deciding which bits | 0:04:02 | 0:04:08 | |
of regulation to accept, not meekly
accepting them from the EU as a rule | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
taker. Now, this was not good enough
for some Tory Brexiteer is. I'm told | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
after that statement one leading
figure eyeballed David Davis across | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
the lunch table and said, this will
not do, you cannot sign up to this. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
So I've been looking at how this row
with the DUP is now spreading into | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
the Tory Party. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
The season of goodwill should soon
be upon us. For the moment, it all | 0:04:38 | 0:04:45 | |
feels a bit scratchy as the
Government's Brexit negotiations are | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
thrown into the air. In an ideal
world, Theresa May would have hailed | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
an EU deal with a European ally
today. A pre-Christmas meeting with | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
her Spanish counterpart still went
ahead. The Prime Minister now faces | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
a new headache after Tory-Leave
supporters rejected the EU proposed | 0:05:05 | 0:05:13 | |
deal in its current form. The Prime
Minister has bent over backwards in | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
every way and we have been rebuffed
by the EU. They need to go away and | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
think again. Today we want a trade
arrangement? In which case it's a | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
bit absurd to block everything up
before you discuss trade. Iain | 0:05:28 | 0:05:34 | |
Duncan Smith took his cue from the
DUP. We want to see a sensible | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
Brexit and we will work through the
basis of the clear red lines we have | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
set down, which are, as we
understand it, the red lines of the | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
Government as well, so a sensible
Brexit in which the UK leaves as one | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
nation with a sensible relationship
with the rest of the EU. Tory | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
Brexiteers are delighted with the
DUP. One told me, their intervention | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
has saved us having to rebel against
the Government in Parliament. Those | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Tories want to use the pause is to
try and change the pace of the | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
negotiations. The aim is to stop the
Prime Minister offering what they | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
fear are irrevocable commitments to
the EU that could not be withdrawn | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
even if the UK is unhappy with the
final deal. If that can't be done, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:25 | |
they say simply the UK should walk
away. Labour is alarmed by the new | 0:06:25 | 0:06:32 | |
alliance between the DUP and the
Tory Brexiteers. It is grossly | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
irresponsible to be advocating
walking away from these | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
negotiations. And sure the Prime
Minister isn't going to do that. The | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
surest way to ensure a hard border
in Northern Ireland is to walk away | 0:06:44 | 0:06:50 | |
from these negotiations, it is to
walk away from our responsibilities. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
The current impasse over the Irish
border prompted the leaders of | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Britain's devolved bodies to warn
that the UK is facing a delicate | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
moment. The First Minister of Wales
believes the UK Government would be | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
wise to consult more widely. We
would prefer to be more closely | 0:07:06 | 0:07:13 | |
involved in the Brexit negotiations.
I think we could be constructive in | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
terms of what we have to offer. We
can, I think, provide a helping hand | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
to the UK Government. It's not as
preventing Brexit, that's not going | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
to happen, but there are sensible,
pragmatic people in the government | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
who want it to be a Brexit that
works for Britain and not some | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
hard-line, nationalist Brexit that
some in the Tory Party seem to want. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
Amid a swirl of uncertainty, Theresa
May is hoping to restore some calm, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
but the Prime Minister knows she
faces a formidable challenge to | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
settle this issue. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
And Nick is still here. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
Do you think she can get this show
back on the road, particularly with | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
the clock ticking? I sense a less
than optimistic view of meeting that | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
by this Friday deadline. There had
been thought that the Prime Minister | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
would go to Brussels after PMQs
tomorrow. I think she will not even | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
be there by Thursday because the DUP
are really digging in. Are saying | 0:08:10 | 0:08:17 | |
there have to be substantial
amendments to this proposed deal | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
with the EU. -- they are saying. The
wording stage, there needs to be | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
lots more wording, and then they are
saying, we are not accepting this | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
deadline, even the deadline of
sorting this out by the EU council | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
next week. They have said, the EU,
they can hold an emergency summit, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
they've done it before, so why can't
they do it again? But there is a | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
potential chink of light for the
Government. The DUP's Red Line is | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
that there must be complete, let's
use our favourite word, alignment | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
between Northern Ireland and the
rest of the UK, and if that can be | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
achieved, then possibly Theresa May
could be able to win the DUP, if not | 0:08:55 | 0:09:01 | |
many of her Tory Brexiteers. Thank
you. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
While Theresa May works her way
through all of this, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
she does so, of course,
against the ticking clock | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
of the EU's deadline of the end
of this week to reach an agreement | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
if Britain is to unlock
the next round of talks. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
So what's the mood in Brussels? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
I spoke earlier to the Dutch
MEP Sophie in't Veld, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
deputy of the EU Parliament's chief
negotiator Guy Verhofstadt. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
I asked whether after David Davis
said in the Commons today | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
that the plan was always
for Northern Ireland | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
to have the same regulatory
arrangements as the rest of the UK, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
if that was her understanding
of yesterday's deal? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
Well, I think that's fantastic
because that in essence means Brexit | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
isn't going to happen, because if
there is regulatory alignment | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
Ferrari large part, then the UK
would still follow the same EU | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
rules. It doesn't make much sense to
me but if that is what he proposes, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
that sounds very good. If we went
down the David Davis route, would we | 0:09:51 | 0:09:59 | |
have to have free movement as well?
We're talking about very shady | 0:09:59 | 0:10:06 | |
proposals here. We don't know what
we are actually talking about. It | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
sounds like you don't know... But
nobody knows. OK! At some point, we | 0:10:11 | 0:10:19 | |
would also like to know exactly what
it is that the UK Government wants. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
Only once we have a clear idea that
can renegotiate. Can I ask whether | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
you think there was any solution,
any solution, to the Northern | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Ireland border issue that doesn't
involve a border between Britain and | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
Northern Ireland, and allows Theresa
May to keep her red line? She is | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
spelt out some red lines. Can she
keep those, not have a border down | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
the Irish tee and not have a border
with the Republic of Ireland? Does | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
that work in any way at all? -- down
the Irish Sea. There won't be a | 0:10:51 | 0:10:59 | |
border. The question is how it will
work in practice. One solution is | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
going to be apparently one that the
government has in mind, which is, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
OK, we won't set up a physical
border post but we will just put up | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
some cameras and sensors. No,
clearly that won't work because | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
people will not accept it. There
will have to be a soft border. I | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
think that's clear. Otherwise you
jeopardise the Good Friday agreement | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
and that would be disastrous. You
are jeopardising the Good Friday | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
agreement by potentially ruling out
a deal with the UK that is | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
acceptable to the UK. It takes two
sides are there to be no deal, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
doesn't it? If there is no deal, you
would want to put a border there to | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
protect the integrity of your single
market. This is a very strange way | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
of looking at it, and I am also a
little bit irritated. The EU is an | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
entity that's been around for around
60 years and for over 40 years the | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
UK has been a member. The UK has
been building the EU as much as any | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
other country and in fact it has
been in the forefront building the | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
single market. Now, the UK has
chosen to leave the EU for the time | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
-- and for the time being it looks
as though they want to leave the | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
internal market. The UK knows better
than anybody else what the rules of | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
the single market are. You've
created them together with the rest | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
of Europe. I wonder whether you
think that the rest of the EU will | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
go all the way to the wire on this
issue backing up Ireland. Ireland | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
says we have a veto but we don't
need to use it because everybody is | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
supporting them. Is everybody
supporting Ireland on this? Yes. The | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
way I understood it - I mean, I
wasn't in the room - but the way I | 0:12:44 | 0:12:50 | |
understood it is that Theresa May
said, OK, can we debate on this | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
notion of regulatory alignment for
Northern Ireland and see if that is | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
a basis for negotiations? That was a
very positive step. But then | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
apparently she got a phone call from
the DUP telling her, no, you are | 0:13:01 | 0:13:07 | |
not. So then she also has to choose.
Who is in charge? Do you have some | 0:13:07 | 0:13:14 | |
sympathy for her predicament,
though, given she is between the | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
Republic of Ireland that has a veto
over the next stage, the DUP that is | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
holding her government in office,
and indeed the aspirations of those | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
who voted for Brexit last year in
the referendum? Of course! I'm very | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
happy I'm not in her shoes. I
recognise it's very difficult and | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
contrary to what some of the British
media are reporting, there is really | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
nobody, I've met nobody, in the
European Parliament that is somehow | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
out to Pina lies the UK. Quite the
opposite. -- out to punish the UK. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:51 | |
People in the Netherlands want to
keep close ties to the UK but with a | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
limit to what you can do in saying,
OK, you can leave the EU, you will | 0:13:54 | 0:14:00 | |
have access to the single market but
you don't have to abide by the rules | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
everybody else has too. But is
simply not an option and I think you | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
and everybody will understand that.
Thank you for talking to us. I | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
appreciate it. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Yesterday's deal, acceptable
to the Irish, implied that come | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
what may, when Brexit happens,
Northern Ireland will not diverge | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
from the EU in ways that might
require the construction | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
of a border. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:23 | |
As we've just heard from that
interview, it seems even now some | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
in the EU are not clear on exactly
what the British plans are. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
We'll discuss this in moment
with a Brexit-supporting Tory MP, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:35 | |
but first our business editor,
Helen Thomas, has been trying | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
to make sense of the options. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:52 | |
Here is the problem in a nutshell or
a milk bottle. Everyone wants to | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
avoid a hard border between Northern
Ireland and the Republic, so milk | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
can flow freely between North and
South much as it does now. Hence the | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
proposal this week. If the UK
doesn't get the broad free trade | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
deal that it once it would still
commit to regulatory alignment, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:18 | |
particularly in key areas like
agriculture between Northern Ireland | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
and the South. What alignment means
was left probably intentionally | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
vague. Is it really any different
from Noel diverges harmonisation or | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
equivalence? But the main message
was clear, animals and animal | 0:15:32 | 0:15:39 | |
products would not need to be
checked at special border inspection | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
posts. Here is the first problem.
The implication was that Northern | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
Ireland could follow some single
market regulations, even if the rest | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
of the UK chose not to. Entered the
DUP. To them even that theoretical | 0:15:53 | 0:16:00 | |
diverges between Northern Ireland
and the rest of the UK is totally | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
unacceptable. It might mean no
border between Northern Ireland and | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
the Republic, but instead you would
need checks between Northern Ireland | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
and Great Britain. Why? Well there
is our old friend the chlorine | 0:16:12 | 0:16:18 | |
washed chicken. Say the UK did its
much discussed deal with the US and | 0:16:18 | 0:16:25 | |
accepted deploring chicken, banned
by the EU. To keep that pesky | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
poultry out would require a border
check either between Great Britain | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
and Northern Ireland or Northern
Ireland and the Republic. But that | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
is unacceptable either to the DUP or
the Irish. So could the UK align | 0:16:38 | 0:16:45 | |
itself entirely with EU rules in
certain key areas? No borders, but | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
then we couldn't agreed to buy US
chicken. That could scupper our | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
great plans for other trade deals.
There is another problem. Regulatory | 0:16:55 | 0:17:06 | |
alignment is not necessarily enough
to avoid any physical borders. For | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
that you might need a customs union
or agreeing the same set of external | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
tariffs for goods arriving from
non-EU countries. Without it, well | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
you are still going to need some
customs checks somewhere. Of course, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
the government expects to get it
broader deal but even to start talks | 0:17:25 | 0:17:31 | |
means a border -based phage. The
possibility of Northern Ireland | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
having different rules from the rest
of the UK or the idea of the whole | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
UK aligning itself with the EU
longer term on regulations and | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
customs. I hope you have got the
hang of the conundrum. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:50 | |
Kwasi Kwarteng is a
Brexit-backing Conservative MP | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
and the Parliamentary private
secretary to the Chancellor, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
Philip Hammond. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Good evening. First, get you to
comment on what Iain Duncan Smith | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
said? He seems as if to say scrap
that if the EU do not move. We will | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
not try and have a deal. The main
thing to remember is that Iain | 0:18:06 | 0:18:12 | |
Duncan Smith, myself, Theresa May,
Ruth Davidson, we are all unionists | 0:18:12 | 0:18:19 | |
and the idea that Northern Ireland
was going to be treated differently | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
from the rest of the UK is something
that needs to be put to bed. That | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
stock were to happen. We are
committed to having a UK solution to | 0:18:26 | 0:18:33 | |
the problem you have outlined. What
I would say broadly is that there | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
are two aspects to this, there is
the British Government's negotiation | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
with the EU which I know your piece
did not reflect on but is going | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
well. The Chancellor said it was
likely there was going to be a deal, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:51 | |
Donald Tusk... Rather than talk
about my successes... You did not | 0:18:51 | 0:18:57 | |
mention the successes. It is very
important that viewers realise that | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
the talks are going quite well. You
got it down to the intractable end | 0:19:00 | 0:19:06 | |
product and these are the ones that
are not being sold because they are | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
difficult. Can I ask which you would
prefer? If the EU gave us a choice | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
would you rather there was a border
between Britain and Northern Ireland | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
which you have just ruled out would
you rather that Britain stayed in | 0:19:18 | 0:19:25 | |
the single market or close to it? I
reject the premise. Both of those? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
What I am saying is that we have two
issues, and negotiation with EU | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
which is going very well. I except
it has gone well on 90% of things. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:41 | |
Then we have the issue of the border
in Northern Ireland. We were very | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
close to a deal, the regulatory
alignment formula, as David Davis | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
said today in the House of Commons,
does not mean that we have exactly | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
the same rules. It is not the same
to use this phrase as harmonisation. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
That is something that we have got
to get our heads around and at the | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
same time we have not really
entered, as your clip said, we have | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
not really entered the main nub.
You're happy with what David Davis | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
said today, that there is a degree
of alignment and to some extent, not | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
as much as been in the single
market, but the whole of the UK, to | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
some extent aligns itself... If you
look around the world, New Zealand | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
and Australia, they have a degree of
regulatory alignment. These | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
countries, forgive me, these
countries are sovereign nations. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:38 | |
They are not the same country. We
have got the alignment, that is | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
where we are and you would accept
that. I did not get the feeling that | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
Iain Duncan Smith would accept it
but you would, is that the Brexit | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
that people thought they were voting
for? The Brexit that people were | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
voting for broadly, which is as a
Brexiteer, is to have control of | 0:20:55 | 0:21:01 | |
borders, freedom of movement and I
think we will deliver on that. There | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
is also the issue of the European
Court of Justice being superior as | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
it were to British law and I think
we are going to claim sovereignty on | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
that and the third item was
obviously the money. It is clear to | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
me on the money side, we are not
going to continue playing -- pain | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
and net contribution of 10 billion
every single year until kingdom come | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
to the EU, that is ending and that
was the nature of... All three of | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
those issues I think we will deliver
on. It was not said in the campaign | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
that there would be a degree of
alignment, this problem seems to | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
have come as a surprise to the
Brexit side of the argument. If you | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
spoke to a Brexiteer on the
campaign, people were very keen that | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
we had a free trade deal. There
would be a free trade deal between | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
the UK and EU. The nature of free
trade deals, you are an economist, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
you understand, that there is some
degree regulatory alignment in free | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
trade. It is on that basis. When
Iain Duncan Smith says no deal, we | 0:22:06 | 0:22:12 | |
could walk away, what do you think
of the no Deal option? There are | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
differing views about how bad that
would be. I think that is very | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
unlikely. I say that because I speak
to the Chancellor, people in | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
government and the broad
Conservative Party. Is it bad, would | 0:22:25 | 0:22:33 | |
be a tragedy for the UK economy? I'm
here as a Brexiteer, I campaigned on | 0:22:33 | 0:22:40 | |
your show, I took part in debates, I
have not been frightened of the idea | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
of no deal. I always said that
Britain had a great future and a | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
great ability to trade its way into
gaining prosperity is with no deal | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
but that is not something that I
think is on the cards and I think it | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
is much more likely that we will get
a deal. OK, thank you. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
Back in 2011 a young
boy, Jack Adcock, died | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
in hospital in Leicester. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
It was obviously a tragic case,
but also one with implications | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
for medical staff today. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
A doctor and a nurse were convicted
of manslaughter over Jack's death | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
and the doctor is now at the centre
of an argument about | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
whether she should be allowed
to continue practising. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
A letter to The Times today
from hundreds of medics and others | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
says she should be allowed
to keep working. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Here is a brief history of the case. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:29 | |
It was February 2011
when six-year-old Jack Adcock, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
a child with Down's syndrome,
died of a cardiac arrest | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
at Leicester Royal Infirmary. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
He had developed sepsis
but it was not diagnosed. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:45 | |
And although not a cause of death,
Dr Hadiza Bawa-Garba stopped other | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
staff performing CPR on Jack,
mistakenly thinking that he was | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
subject to a do not resuscitate
order. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
For that and other failings,
she and a nurse, Isabel Amaro, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
were eventually convicted
of manslaughter by gross negligence | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
at Nottingham Crown Court. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
They got suspended jail
sentences and both were | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
suspended from their posts. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
But Dr Bawa-Garba was given
a second chance to practise | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
as a paediatrician. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
The Medical Practitioners Tribunal
Service found that there had | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
been system problems
as well as individual ones, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
and thought she should be kept
on the medical register | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
as she would not be
a danger to patients. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
The General Medical Council
disagrees with that and the issue | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
is now about to be decided
by the High Court. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
Should she be allowed
to practise as a doctor or not? | 0:24:31 | 0:24:38 | |
For the many who wrote to The Times,
the case criminalises medical error | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
and makes it far harder
to learn from mistakes. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
With me are Jack's mother,
Nicola Adcock, and Dr Jenny Vaughan, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
consultant neurologist
from the campaign group | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
Manslaughter and Healthcare. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:56 | |
Good evening to you both. I will
start with you, Nicola, what was | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
your reaction when you heard about
this letter from hundreds of medics. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:07 | |
I was mortified, I was devastated.
That all these doctors had got | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
together and obviously supported the
fact that she had been charged with | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
gross negligence in a criminal court
by a jury, it was a long... We were | 0:25:15 | 0:25:21 | |
in court for four and a half weeks
and I don't understand how a doctor | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
could be charged with gross
negligence and manslaughter and | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
still be able to work. Where does it
give the public any faith, any of | 0:25:30 | 0:25:36 | |
the community any faith? I would
like as most people watching, if | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
they took their child to the
hospital, and a doctor, who has been | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
charged with gross negligence and
manslaughter over the death of a | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
child, a six and a half year old
little boy, would they be happy that | 0:25:48 | 0:25:55 | |
that Doctor is cheating -- treating
that child? She should be struck off | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
Micro. She got away with a two-year
suspended sentence and now she has | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
not even been struck off. And
justice for Jack is a slogan because | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
you're trying to collect signatures.
All of these people who got | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
together, they are doctors but they
are parents as well. Does it make a | 0:26:12 | 0:26:18 | |
difference that a lot of people have
said, there was a lot going wrong at | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
the hospital? I want a clear that
up. I need to make sure that people | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
understand this was not a system
blunder, not a system error, this | 0:26:27 | 0:26:33 | |
doctor was a trainee. I need to
clarify that she was a level six | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
registrar, she had lots of training,
where she may stop was basic things, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:47 | |
as in cold hand, cold feet, he had a
heart condition, not flinching when | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
they put the Dublin. I wrote down 20
things. We do not have nearly enough | 0:26:49 | 0:26:57 | |
time. Would it make a difference if
doctors could persuade you that we | 0:26:57 | 0:27:03 | |
would save more lives... Rubbish. By
learning from mistakes. If I was too | 0:27:03 | 0:27:11 | |
quiet in my car and I was to run
someone over, I would get charged | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
with manslaughter. I would go to
prison and I would lose my license. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
This was not a system blunder, this
was more than 20 mistakes. I | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
understand we are human beings and
we make mistakes, one or two but not | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
more than 20, it is not acceptable.
She even mixed him up with another | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
child at the end of the night. When
asked how you mixed up a child with | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
Down's syndrome with another child,,
she said she got their parents mixed | 0:27:38 | 0:27:44 | |
up. Thank you. Jenny, obviously this
is a tragic case. What is the | 0:27:44 | 0:27:52 | |
reason? You have heard the
arguments, what is the case for | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
saying you would employ this person
as a doctor after a blunder like | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
this? I have worked with many
bereaved families and I really | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
respect Nicola coming here, she has
lost her child and I'm not in that | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
position. Dr Bawa-Garba... The
reason that it was felt... Their | 0:28:10 | 0:28:19 | |
tribunal found that there were
systems failure is. There were over | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
70 systems failure is identified by
the hospital. They were all enclosed | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
in a serious incident report and the
jury did not hear about all of those | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
we talk about system failures we
mean things going wrong on the day, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:39 | |
hospital results, although normal
ranges did not come through, there | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
was a lack of a senior alert system,
there were failures at every level, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:46 | |
failure is on trainee supervision,
lots of different failures. I think | 0:28:46 | 0:28:53 | |
we see the geography of the argument
about how you apportion blame. I am | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
interested in the bigger picture,
what is your worry about what | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
happens to medical professionals if
doctors are struck off for this kind | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
of thing? It is sad. We are all on
the same side. Doctors are on the | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
same side as patience, what we want
is a safe culture and the only way | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
you really get a safe culture is no
blame culture where people can be | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
frank about their errors they made
and they can discuss them and not | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
feel challenged and they come out in
the open and say I did this wrong, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
that is the only way you actually
improve patient safety. You would | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
agree that there are some errors
that are too gross, that you would | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
say, you are not fit for this job?
Doctors get struck off for fraud. In | 0:29:38 | 0:29:46 | |
this case, the tribunal heard all
the evidence... They did find that | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
there were protests errors on the
day and they said it was the fact | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
that she had redeemed herself... She
has had honest failure and basically | 0:29:55 | 0:30:02 | |
honest failure should not be
rewarded with punishment or | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
retribution. She has been suspended,
she has had trial by media and a lot | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
of things have happened. Would you
let her look after your child? I | 0:30:10 | 0:30:18 | |
absolutely would. Through all of
this we are on the same side as | 0:30:18 | 0:30:25 | |
patients. I would say, before all of
this and after Jack died, she showed | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
that she went on courses, she did
show that she had insight into her | 0:30:30 | 0:30:36 | |
errors and she expressed that. I
would have no trouble in having her | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
look after my child now because she
has shown insight into those errors | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
and that is that the whole
profession. All of us need an open | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
culture will become and express
errors otherwise patient safety will | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
not improve in the future. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
We should say that of course
Dr Bawa-Garba hasn't herself been | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
able to respond to any of what has
said about her today. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
We did make contact with her earlier
through her solicitor | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
and she gave us a statement. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
She said, "No words will ever bring
Jack back but I would | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
like to apologise once again
to his family for my clinical | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
failings in his care. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
I think about this tragic case every
day with regret and remorse, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
and if I could turn back time
I would do things differently. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
My thoughts are with Jack's family." | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
I know that you've never had...
She's never shown remorse. She's | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
never said sorry. As far as I'm
concerned, she's got a heart of | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
stone. And it would make a
difference to you...? Not now. When | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
we were in court there were nurses
on the stand. Everybody that took | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
that stand was so sorry and so
remorseful. I mean, the nurse... | 0:31:40 | 0:31:46 | |
Others have said she did have
remorse. That's because they are | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
doctors clubbing together again,
aren't they? Last comment. I don't | 0:31:50 | 0:31:57 | |
have any issue with any doctors and
nurses out there. There are amazing | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
doctors and nurses out there. This
is just my thing about the one | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
doctor that neglected my son that
day. I don't want another family to | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
go through this and I wouldn't wish
it on my worst enemy. We don't | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
either, which is why we want
everybody to have an open culture. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
We don't want this either. Thank you
both very much. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
Time for Viewsnight now. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
This time last week we brought
you one arguing that Donald Trump | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
had changed America for the better. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:29 | |
The President has had
a busy week since then, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
packing in a diplomatic tweet row
with Theresa May, getting his tax | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
reform bill through Congress,
and yesterday getting backing | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
from the Supreme Court
for his controversial travel ban. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
In the interests of balance,
here's Brian Klass from the LSE, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
arguing that America's democracy may
not survive this Presidency. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
We are fighting the fake news. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
It's fake, phoney, fake. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
Because you'd be in jail. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:11 | |
Secretary Clinton... | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
You may not find the conclusions
very surprising, but according to | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
the International Olympic Committee,
Russia has been involved | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
in systematic doping in sport. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:16 | |
The IOC's disciplinary
head Samuel Schmid said | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
there is scientific evidence,
there are witness statements, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
documents and correspondence,
as well as the detailed testimony | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
of a whistle-blower to prove it. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
As a result, the IOC have excluded
Russia from the next Winter | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Olympics in February,
though a few athletes will be able | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
to compete under a neutral flag. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Now, that is more draconian
than anything in the Summer | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
Olympics, when individual sports
made their own decisions | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
on Russian participation. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
I'm joined by Sir Craig Reedie -
he's the president of | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
the World Anti-Doping Agency,
and in Berlin is the LSE visiting | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
fellow Oksana Antonenko,
whose research focuses on Russia. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:58 | |
If I can start with you on the
sports side, Sir Craig Reedie, it | 0:35:58 | 0:36:05 | |
was remarkable what they were doing.
Just give a sense of what we now | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
know they were doing. It's been
tonight's news from the commission | 0:36:08 | 0:36:16 | |
and it corroborates what we've known
for the last three or four years, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
that Russia had a systematic system
of breaking the rules. Every | 0:36:18 | 0:36:25 | |
positive test that came into the
laboratory wasn't recorded in our | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
recording system so we didn't have
any positive tests. And then there | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
was the cheating in Sochi. They have
this thing with the hole in the war | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
and the samples were passed through?
-- hole in the wall. It's remarkable | 0:36:39 | 0:36:46 | |
they went to that trouble, but in
addition, if they had dirty samples, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
they knew they had to have clean
samples to replace them, so there | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
was a bank of clean samples to send
in. Why has this taken so long to | 0:36:54 | 0:37:02 | |
happen? Because many people have
said it was obvious the Russians | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
have been sophisticated in this
department. If you look at the Sochi | 0:37:05 | 0:37:15 | |
situation, we had a laboratory
expert who worked conscientiously | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
between eight in the morning and
eight at nine, he didn't work | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
between midnight and 4am, when the
cheating went on, and I'm afraid | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
most of the information that has
come to us has come from | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
whistle-blowers. -- eight in the
morning and eight at night. One | 0:37:33 | 0:37:45 | |
minister who has been banned from
the future Games has been part of | 0:37:45 | 0:37:55 | |
the World Cup, Fifa. But there is
corporation that this went to the | 0:37:55 | 0:38:02 | |
top of the ministry. What you think
the reaction of ordinary Russians | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
will be to this? I think most of the
Russians and opinion polls agree | 0:38:04 | 0:38:11 | |
that those who violate the doping
should be punished and those who | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
enable it should be punished as
well. But today will be seen as a | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
collective punishment, not the
punishment of those who violated the | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
rules but the punishment of the
entire Russian nation. And I think | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
as always in Russia, of course we
know Russians are very proud people | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
and proud of their sporting
achievements, so that will produce a | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
running around the flag effect and
come the president -- presidential | 0:38:37 | 0:38:43 | |
elections it will strengthen support
for President Putin and the very | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
system which enabled doping, and
perhaps will create a less conducive | 0:38:46 | 0:38:52 | |
environment to investigate properly
what is -- what went on in Sochi and | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
other Olympic competitions. So you
think it benefits President Putin | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
but they do accept there's a sort of
justice that says you a | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
discriminating punishment, and those
who cheat get booted out and those | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
who don't don't. Absolutely. At
least among the opinion polls that | 0:39:09 | 0:39:17 | |
you mention, the perception in
society is that those who violate | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
the rules should be punished, but it
is also very important that it is | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
seen as fair in terms of a process,
in which the law of rule is followed | 0:39:24 | 0:39:30 | |
-- the rule of law is followed,
because otherwise it is being | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
exploited, particularly through the
state media and other sources of | 0:39:35 | 0:39:41 | |
information, that this is
discrimination against Russia. Is a | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
blanket ban the right thing to do?
Curling, for example, is their drug | 0:39:45 | 0:39:51 | |
cheating in that? So banning that
team is an indiscriminate band. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:59 | |
There are two groups here. There are
the so-called clean athletes in | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Russia who could come to the games
provided they go through the | 0:40:02 | 0:40:08 | |
necessary criteria so that they are
as clean as we can make them. But | 0:40:08 | 0:40:14 | |
there's another group who, since
2011 and 2015, have lost medals, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:20 | |
championships because of a systemic
doping system, so the world actually | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
believes there has to be some
sanction on Russia for organising | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
that and the cheating on the clean
athletes over the years. We will | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
work hard to make sure proper
controls are in place so that | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
Russian athletes can take place in
the Games in John Chiang. Nobody | 0:40:37 | 0:40:50 | |
wants to create a situation that
means more support for President | 0:40:50 | 0:40:59 | |
Putin, but what do you do about
systematic cheating in sport, the | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
biggest that has ever occurred? I
think it is important to distinguish | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
between those who violated the rules
and those who followed the | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
procedure... But the state violated
the rules. It was the system, the | 0:41:13 | 0:41:20 | |
government. It wasn't just the odd
team or team member. Absolutely. I | 0:41:20 | 0:41:26 | |
think that has to be investigated
very thoroughly and transparently | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
but also you have to acknowledge a
lot of Russian athletes who didn't | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
violate the rules and to our clean
athletes, and who are now under a | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
lot of pressure it -- politically
not to participate because they will | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
not be participating under the
Russian flag and they will face a | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
lot of pressure internally at home
not to do that. Thank you both very | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
much. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
That's all for this evening. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
But before we go, do you ever find
yourself cursing the air pollution | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
that blights our towns and cities? | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
Well, nothing's new. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:01 | |
65 years ago today the great smog
of London descended. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
And despite there being many times
more cars these days, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
it's probably fair to say
things have improved. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
Good night. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
HORNS BLARE. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
Evening paper! | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
'...operate this evening. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
'And the following trains will be
affected...' | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
Are we doing all we can | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
to minimise the dislocation
caused by fog? | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
Most of our efforts are remedial. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
In London, we still suffer damage
that can be estimated | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
in millions of pounds. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
The fault is largely our own. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
The fog is made worse by man. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
It is up to man to stop it. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:47 |