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They all told him not to. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
The United Nations,
the EU - even the Pope. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
In Gaza they reacted with anger. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
But Trump insists it's
the right thing to do. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:23 | |
I have determined that it is time
to officially recognise Jerusalem | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
as the capital of Israel. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
An ancient city at the heart
of a centuries old conflict | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
is thrust back into the spotlight
as the Palestinians | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
says it's deplorable. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
And the Turkish President warns
Trump his decision could plunge | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
the region back into
a 'fire with no end'. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
We speak to the Israeli
ambassador to the UK, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
and key voices from the region. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:51 | |
Also tonight... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
This spoof fundraiser shows
Africa donating radiators | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
to help Norway stay warm... | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
As UK celebrities run to the aid
of Christmas charity causes - | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
are we guilty of Poverty Porn? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
We'll ask whether these campaigns do
more harm than good. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:17 | |
And remember the rave days
of the 1980s and 90s? | 0:01:17 | 0:01:22 | |
Then you probably weren't there. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:23 | |
Steve Smith was - constantly -
and tonight he tries to remember | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Shoom with some of the big
names from the scene. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
You're watching Newsnight,
and a little later this evening, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
we're going to be talking
about the history of dance music | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
in the UK and around the world. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
It might just go
a little bit Pete Tong. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:46 | |
Good evening. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
What the Middle East needs
now, said no one ever, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
is something to make the regions
politics more complicated. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
America's President seems
to have missed the memo. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:58 | |
This evening, Donald Trump confirmed
a campaign pledge: the recognition | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
of Jerusalem as the capital
of Israel - a symbolic statement | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
fraught with practical implications. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
In a tightly scripted address
he said he would build the US | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
embassy in that city,
insisting he was acting | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
in the pursuit of peace
between Israel and the Palestinians | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
and that the US supported
a two state solution | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
if agreed by both sides. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
He was warmly thanked
by Israel's Prime Minister. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Fury from many on the other side. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
Tonight, we ask what
the ramifications of this | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
move are likely to be. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
But we start with this report
by Gabriel Gatehouse. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Jerusalem is many things to many
people. A place that embodies the | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
shared heritage of the world's great
civilisations and a city whose | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
ancient walls have long been an
incubator for their festering | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
divisions. Today, Donald Trump
walked into this most treacherous of | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
minefields, and pledged to shake
things up... When I came into office | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
I promised to look at the world's
challenges. With open eyes, and very | 0:02:59 | 0:03:05 | |
fresh thinking. We cannot solve our
problems by making the same failed | 0:03:05 | 0:03:14 | |
assumptions and repeating the same
failed strategies of the past. When | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
that his announcement was
anticipated with foreboding in the | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Middle East but there were hints he
may be aiming at an audience closer | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
to home. Therefore I am determined
that it is time to officially | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
recognise Jerusalem as the capital
of Israel. While previous Presidents | 0:03:32 | 0:03:40 | |
have made this a major campaign
promise, they failed to deliver. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:49 | |
Today, I am delivering. If Donald
Trump's motivation was born in part | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
out of the desire to deliver are on
the pledges of 2016, then the | 0:03:53 | 0:03:59 | |
ramifications on this reach further
back in history. In 1948 when the | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
Jewish state was born, Israel
proclaimed Jerusalem its capital but | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
on the ground, the city was divided
into Western and Eastern sectors. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
Israel in control of the West, and
Jordan the east, including the old | 0:04:12 | 0:04:19 | |
city. In 1967, in six days, the same
time it took the gold of the old | 0:04:19 | 0:04:26 | |
Testament to create the world,
Israel reach you the Middle East. -- | 0:04:26 | 0:04:34 | |
again true. Israel seized the
eastern part of the city and | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
expanded the city limits. The
Palestinians want to see occupied | 0:04:36 | 0:04:43 | |
territory become the future of an
independent state. Today's | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
announcement has, in fact, been a
long time coming. In 1995 Congress | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
passed an act requiring the US
government to move it embassy from | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Since then,
every six months every president has | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
deferred that move on the grounds of
national security but today, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
President Obama's successor promised
to put an end to that. This is | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
nothing more or less than a
recognition of reality. It is also | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
the right thing to do. It is
something that has to be done. With | 0:05:16 | 0:05:23 | |
that, at a stroke, and many
diplomats fear that America's | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
crucial role as a peace broker has
been fatally undermined. Much of the | 0:05:26 | 0:05:33 | |
statement will leave a sense of
vacancy and many in Europe and | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
across the Arab world will wonder
where the process goes next, and | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
whether America, particularly under
President Trump, is committed to a | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
genuine and fair to state solution.
Donald Trump said that America was. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
The United States would support a
two state solution. If agreed to by | 0:05:50 | 0:05:56 | |
both sides. I think there was
evidence that some of those | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
diplomats, who have been trying to
reduce the negative impact of this | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
announcement, did get to work on
that text. There was some | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
reassurance for the Palestinians who
want to return to pre-1967 borders. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:15 | |
We are not taking a position of any
final status issues. Including the | 0:06:15 | 0:06:21 | |
specific boundaries of the Israeli
sovereignty in Jerusalem or the | 0:06:21 | 0:06:29 | |
resolution of contested borders. But
it does not really negate what is | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
still a very dangerous announcement
at a delicate time for the Middle | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
East. The sad thing is, many of
those extremists across the region | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
will be the ones celebrating this in
the morning. Donald Trump has sent | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
his young son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
to the middle east in search of what | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
he calls the ultimate deal. We want
an agreement that is a great deal | 0:06:49 | 0:06:57 | |
for the Israelis and a great deal
for the Palestinians. I would be the | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
first one to celebrate if there is a
superbly crafted strategy behind | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
this announcement. But I won't be
holding my breath. We hear a lot | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
about Donald Trump being a great
deal maker and certainly in his book | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
he says you've got to hold back many
of the strongest cards you got. It | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
looks like he's played one of those
cards a little too early. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:23 | |
That was Gabriel Gatehouse. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
In a moment we will hear
from the Israeli ambassador | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Mark Regev and the Palestinian
academic Ghada Karmi. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
Although we're not expecting
to resolve the regions issues | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
here in the Newsnight studio -
so they'll not be | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
debating head to head. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:35 | |
But first - our diplomatic editor,
Mark Urban is here. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
What surprised you most about Donald
Trump's announcement? I think that | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
given there was that nod towards the
two state solution and the statement | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
from the president Duterte was not
intended, the move today, to | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
prejudice issues, it could go he
could have acknowledged the idea to | 0:07:53 | 0:07:59 | |
have the capital in East Jerusalem.
It could have been something he did. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
It's been many years since the
diplomatic game was about an | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
international solution for
Jerusalem, a zone to be ruled by the | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
international community. For decades
it has been about the two state | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
solution and for everyone who has
worked on that problem, every | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
diplomat I have spoken to for 30
years on this knows that the | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
Palestinian state without its
capital in East Jerusalem is not a | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
viable solution to the conflict. And
what you make of those | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
internationally showing support for
the move? There have been one or | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
two, interestingly, and going back
to that point the Czech Republic, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
for example, today said that they
would the American lead and move its | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
embassy to Jerusalem. They also
mentioned the Palestinian aspiration | 0:08:41 | 0:08:48 | |
for a capital in East Jerusalem. The
Philippines followed suit but by and | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
large the reaction is negative. The
UK said they will not move their | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
embassy, many other European
countries taking a similar tone will | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
see if others join in with the Czech
Republic and the Philippines in the | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
coming days. Mark Urban, thank you.
Let's pick up with our guests, let | 0:09:05 | 0:09:12 | |
me start with Ghada Karmi, Donald
Trump is right when he says the old | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
way is broken and there's no point
in repeating the same formula and | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
you've got to reach out to new
solutions? He isn't right can he | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
does not know anything about it.
What the Middle East does not need | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
right now is a president like Donald
Trump. The reality is the American | 0:09:26 | 0:09:35 | |
president has endorsed an illegal
situation. Israel is in illegal | 0:09:35 | 0:09:43 | |
occupation of Arab Jerusalem, and
its sovereignty over West Jerusalem | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
is not recognised by the
international community. That is a | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
legal fact. Now, Donald Trump has
chosen to violate international law | 0:09:51 | 0:09:57 | |
by endorsing something very illegal,
which is Israeli controlled | 0:09:57 | 0:10:05 | |
sovereignty over Jerusalem, calling
itself the capital, this kind of | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
thing. This is very bad. When he
says he is deeply committed to | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
peace, when he says that this is
nothing more than a recognition of | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
reality, do you not have faith that
this is the first step of what could | 0:10:19 | 0:10:25 | |
be a solution? No, of course not!
First of all, it does not | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
acknowledge that the Palestinians
have any rights. I noticed your | 0:10:30 | 0:10:38 | |
commentator Mark Urban talking about
aspiration. Palestinians have a | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
right to the city. I was born in
Giroud Slim and an part of the | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
indigenous people of Jerusalem. I am
a native of Jerusalem. -- I was born | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
in Jerusalem. The fact that the
United States president cannot bring | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
himself to mention Palestinian
rights in the city is appalling. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
That's the first problem. The second
problem is we know that Donald Trump | 0:11:01 | 0:11:07 | |
is not a free agent. He is
surrounded by pro-Israel advisers, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:14 | |
pro Israel officials... To be fair
the American stance towards Israel | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
has not differed particularly from
one president to another. No, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
because it has always been dictated
by Israeli interests. So he cannot | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
broker peace, or America cannot
broker peace? Of course not, he is | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
compromised. He is surrounded by pro
Israel began discuss -- propaganda, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:40 | |
and he cannot operate as a free
agent, even if he had the will to do | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
it. I want to talk about the
practicalities now. He said he is | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
calling on both sides to respect the
status quo. How should Mahmoud | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
Abbasi respond and how should young
Palestinian men respond if they feel | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
upset by what they have heard
tonight? -- Mahmood Abbas. Should | 0:11:56 | 0:12:02 | |
they legitimately protest or work
towards the two state solution he | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
talked about? There's no two state
solution to talk about, if they have | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
gone out of the equation, I don't
know how they should but I know how | 0:12:12 | 0:12:19 | |
they feel. They will protest, they
are angry and they have every right | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
to be angry. What is dangerous about
this, because it's bad enough that | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
it is illegal, it is bad enough that
Trump is influenced by all kinds of | 0:12:28 | 0:12:35 | |
people... I'm talking about the
practicalities. Do the moderates | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
just give up? Listen, it isn't about
moderates, please let me be clear. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
This is about a whole people who
have rights in that city. Of course | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
they are angry. Of course they will
protest. Nobody should be surprised. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
Why I think this is so dangerous, is
because one of the first things that | 0:12:55 | 0:13:03 | |
might happen, and watch for this, is
that Israel would be emboldened to | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
take over the Islamic holy places,
it has had its eye on the mosque in | 0:13:07 | 0:13:14 | |
the city for a long time. If they
take it over now with a lot of new | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
self-confidence, watch what happens.
Let me put some of those points | 0:13:18 | 0:13:27 | |
over to Mark Regev. Thank you. Piece
in this area. Is it a joke? This was | 0:13:27 | 0:13:38 | |
a just move for peace. Because there
is an international norm. Everybody | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
respects it. A norm? The EU doesn't,
the Pope doesn't... Let me make my | 0:13:45 | 0:13:54 | |
point, there is a norm that it has
respected every country's right to | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
choose their capital. The sovereign
right of every country on the | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
planet. There are countries, as you
know, Emily, who have changed their | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
capital cities. Turkey, China... You
know how provocative the move is. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:14 | |
Why are we denied the right to
choose our own capital city? A right | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
every country on this planet has. So
you can call it what you want, the | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
Palestinians can call it what they
want. My question is, from what you | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
have seen so far Donald Trump, what
makes you think that he is a classy | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
peace broker? What makes you think
that he is committed to solving the | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
world's crisis, that he has a firm
grip on international relations? Do | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
you | 0:14:39 | 0:14:49 | |
want to tie your country's future to
him as a peace broker? I would urge | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
you to look at this decision on the
substance. The substance is | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
positive. He says he is committed to
a two state solution and a peace | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
process and he's done that by deeply
offending and inflaming relations in | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
that part of the world. Let's stop
for a moment. The Palestinians and | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
the Arab world say that they
recognise Israel within the 1967 | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
boundaries and so we all know that
Jerusalem has been the capital of | 0:15:07 | 0:15:13 | |
Israel since 1949. Why is there a
problem with recognising Jerusalem | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
as the capital of Israel? It is
extraordinary that you put that | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
question to me. You know this area,
you know the complexities inside | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
out. You have a responsibility,
don't you, to tell him that he is | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
wrong? Don't you think it would be
more important to not look at the | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
short term gains and to get the
longer term peace process right? We | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
all have a responsibility to get it
right and what is the fact? That the | 0:15:38 | 0:15:44 | |
Israeli government sit in Giroud
Jerusalem, and when foreign leaders | 0:15:44 | 0:15:51 | |
sit there, they come to Jerusalem.
When foreign diplomats meet with | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
their counterparts, they come to
Jerusalem. You do not acknowledge | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
how much offence it has caused to
Palestinian residents. Now, you | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
heard what our guest just said, that
it would embolden Israelis to forget | 0:16:04 | 0:16:13 | |
the sanctity of the mosque and all
of that. This is where you think | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
Israel can claim whatever it wants. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
My Prime Minister said just two
hours ago that we will maintain the | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
holy sites and continued to keep the
status quo and the religious rights | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
of all people. You need to do more
than that. It is about respecting | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
people who call that their home and
assert their claim to it. So what is | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
the olive branch now that the
Israeli government has to offer to | 0:16:42 | 0:16:48 | |
Palestinians to recognise that this
is something they do not consider | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
fair? Let's be clear what's fair,
and legal. You cannot have peace | 0:16:52 | 0:16:58 | |
without Jerusalem being Israel's
capital, and those on the | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
Palestinian side you have these
dangerous fantasies that somehow we | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
are going to throw all of the dues
out of Jerusalem, that is a | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
nonstarter. President Trump has
drawn a line in the sand today to | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
say that it is time for the
Palestinians to recognise that the | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
Jewish people have rights to their
capital city, and it is good for | 0:17:21 | 0:17:30 | |
peace. Congressmen Lee Zeldin is
Republican member of the Foreign | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
Affairs Committee in the US. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:45 | |
and Co-Chairman
of the House Republican | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
Israel Caucus. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
Ilnur Cevik is chief advisor
to the Turkish President, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Recep Tayyip Erdogan. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
The onus is now on the Palestinians,
according to Mark Trevor Grills, to | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
move on and accept the peace. --
Mark Regev. What do you say to that? | 0:17:57 | 0:18:06 | |
If you do not extend an olive branch
to the Palestinians, what can you | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
ask from them? What can you expect
from them? It's a very hard thing to | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
turn to these people and say,
Jerusalem is the capital, finished. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:23 | |
Now, if they had said, fine, West
Jerusalem, we have the capital of | 0:18:23 | 0:18:34 | |
Israel, the Palestinians have a
right for east Jerusalem to be their | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
capital. So as a key player in the
region, what does Turkey do now? How | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
do you face this new reality? Well,
Turkey is frustrated, deeply | 0:18:44 | 0:18:54 | |
frustrated, because Turkey feels
that while it wants to maintain | 0:18:54 | 0:19:02 | |
relations with Israel, for the sake
of the Palestinians, it is becoming | 0:19:02 | 0:19:08 | |
harder and harder for Turkey to
maintain a kind of plausible | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
relationship with Israel. The
Turkish president has already said, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:19 | |
we may even sever ties. Do you think
that will happen now? Turkey may | 0:19:19 | 0:19:25 | |
downgrade its relations. I don't
know. It depends how the situation | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
develops. Would you be as bold with
your relations with the US now? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:36 | |
Well, Turkey has already announced
that it rejects the US decision. The | 0:19:36 | 0:19:44 | |
Turkish parliament, for the first
time, all the parties have come | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
together, the Kurds and the left
wing, everybody, for the first time | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
in nearly ten years, they have come
together to denounce the American | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
decision, and this shows it's not
only Recep Tayyip Erdogan, but its | 0:19:57 | 0:20:03 | |
across-the-board, all parties, who
are hugely against the Turkish | 0:20:03 | 0:20:12 | |
government, the opposition, have
come together to reject this | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
decision. You heard the voice in our
film earlier saying that this is a | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
victory for extremists, who can ride
roughshod over moderate views now | 0:20:19 | 0:20:26 | |
and say, we have to respond to this
in the only way we see fit. What do | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
you have to do, as a key player in
the region, to make sure it doesn't | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
inflame? By severing relations, you
are ducking out, right? The Turkish | 0:20:37 | 0:20:44 | |
president has said that this is one
of the options. He didn't say it was | 0:20:44 | 0:20:51 | |
going to happen. You are his chief
adviser. What will you be advising | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
him tonight? Our advice will be that
we need a kind of leveraged on | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
Israel. Some form of leveraged is
needed there. However, the | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
Palestinians have a right, and when
you do not answer to the demands of | 0:21:06 | 0:21:15 | |
moderate Palestinians who want
peace, who want just their rights, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:21 | |
who won Jerusalem, who have been
born in Jerusalem, to say, this is | 0:21:21 | 0:21:27 | |
my home. If they are denied those
rights, we are all playing into the | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
hands of those radicals. Ilnur
Cevik, thank you for coming in. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
Let's pick up now with Lee Zeldin,
member of the Republican Foreign | 0:21:36 | 0:21:42 | |
Affairs Committee. You have the Pope
against you, the UN, the EU, and | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
most countries. Do you have any
qualms about what your president has | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
done tonight? I strongly support the
President's decision. It is a fact | 0:21:51 | 0:21:58 | |
that the capital of Israel is
Jerusalem. This is where the Israeli | 0:21:58 | 0:22:05 | |
Knesset is located. The offices and
homes of the Israeli Prime Minister | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
and president, the Supreme Court...
We need to all be honest with each | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
other. The fact is that the capital
of Israel is Jerusalem. The draft | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
the core niceties seem to overlook
what a precarious position this has | 0:22:20 | 0:22:27 | |
put Israel and the Palestinians in
this evening. Well, I would say what | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
really complicates things the most
is when you have Palestinian | 0:22:33 | 0:22:39 | |
terrorists murdering innocent
Israelis. Just yesterday, the house | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
of Representatives passed a Taylor
Force act. Taylor force was a | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
graduate of the United States
military Academy of West point who | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
was brutally murdered by Palestinian
terrorists. And you think this will | 0:22:53 | 0:23:00 | |
help? I think it is a huge issue
that needs to be addressed. On the | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
one side you have a party trying to
promote peace, and on the other, you | 0:23:03 | 0:23:10 | |
are treating terrorists as heads of
state and financially rewarding | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
terrorism. You have a president who
tries to ban Muslims of certain | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
countries even coming into the US.
Do you think he has the right man to | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
broker peace in Israel, in the
Middle East? Pieces going to be | 0:23:23 | 0:23:29 | |
negotiated on the ground, regardless
of who the president is at any time. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
It's going to be important that
whoever is in charge of Israel, or | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
the Palestinian authority, that they
have the ability to negotiate peace. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
That has been won over course of
generations, not just years and | 0:23:45 | 0:23:51 | |
decades, but it has been elusive. I
don't know if any single person | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
outside of Israel and that region
are capable of doing this for them. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
It really needs to be done on the
ground. So maybe he should have | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
stayed out of it? One of our guests
just called President Trump a know | 0:24:04 | 0:24:10 | |
nothing American. Again, the capital
of Israel is Jerusalem. I'm not | 0:24:10 | 0:24:19 | |
questioning that the Palestinian
authority is headquartered in | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Romana. I have been there and met
with the Prime Minister of the | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
Palestinian authority. I don't
question that that is where they are | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
headquartered at. There's a certain
realities here. The Prime Minister | 0:24:31 | 0:24:37 | |
said to my face that he would not
recognise Israel as a Jewish state. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
You also have to considered the fact
that if the Palestinian authority | 0:24:42 | 0:24:48 | |
leadership was in good faith
negotiating a deal, let's say people | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
are sitting down in 2018, there is
an element in the Palestinian | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
authority, Hamas, who will not rest
until Israel is wiped off the map. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:04 | |
Thank you for joining us. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
Theresa May found a new form a words
today which may soon be | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
adopted by school children
and the work-shy world over. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
When asked about Monday's attempted
Brexit deal on Northern Ireland | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
she merely claimed 'very good
progress has been made'. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
It sounded a bit hollow
in the House of Commons - | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
and was met with laughter. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
Tonight, however, there were some
positive sounds coming | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
from the Irish Taoiseach,
Leo Varadkar. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:29 | |
I agreed to examine any text that
they put forward in a positive | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
light, understanding that it is
within the interests of our country | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
to move to phase two. Those things
are important to Ireland, and I want | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
to get back to the point where we
have good relations with the UK | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
again. I would look at any text with
an open mind and a positive outlook, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
but I emphasise the fact that when
it comes to the substance and | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
meaning of what was agreed on
Monday, I can't depart from that. | 0:25:54 | 0:26:01 | |
Our political editor, Nick Watt, is
here. How will those words be | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
greeted in Downing Street? He says,
I'm open to new wording, but it must | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
be in addition to the current
wording. Theresa May wants to avoid | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
what happened at the weekend when
the DUP were not shown the wording. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:22 | |
She is consulting on the text and
she is talking to Sinn Fein. But she | 0:26:22 | 0:26:28 | |
has a very difficult balancing act.
She has to win back the DUP, but not | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
in a way that Sinn Fein tumble out
of the equation. It is very | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
difficult. A DUP source said this
evening that the wording is toxic | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
and has to go. Another DUP source
said they did not like the wording | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
and could just about envisage a
situation where the existing wording | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
stays, but the new wording would
have to be dramatically in their | 0:26:52 | 0:27:00 | |
favour for that to happen. Plus,
Michel Barnier has said, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
effectively, that there is 48 hours
to sort this out. And intervention | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
on Philip Hammond as well. He told
the Treasury Select Committee that | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
it would be inconceivable for the UK
not to pay its financial settlement | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
of the UK, even if we don't have a
deal. Downing Street came out a few | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
hours later and said, I think not.
They said the offer from the UK was | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
contingent on getting that future
trade relationship. A few hours | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
earlier, David Davis, the Brexit
Secretary, confirmed that the | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
government hadn't carried out a
formal impact assessment of the | 0:27:37 | 0:27:44 | |
consequences of Brexit, and that was
enough to ensure that the Brexit | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
Select Committee, voting on party
lines, voted, but it is in not in | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
contempt of Parliament. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
Every since Band Aid -
the charity single put together | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
by a host of A-list musicians back
in 1984, we've got used | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
to the idea of celebrities rallying
around to solve world poverty. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
This Christmas will
be no different - | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Ed Sheeran, Tom Hardy,
and Eddie Redmayne are all starring | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
in adverts aimed at raising money
for humanitarian crises - | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
child malnutrition, famine,
the war in Yemen. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
Their intentions
are beyond reproach. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:14 | |
They raise awareness
and often millions of pounds. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
But there is a growing
unease at the signals | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
these videos send out -
labelled "Poverty Porn" | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
by their critics. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
One group of activists got
so annoyed by the campaigns | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
they launched their own response -
and award for the worst. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
It's Africa's turn to help, croon
the singers in this spoof video. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
The group tell of a need
to highlight the plight of poor | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
Norwegians, by bringing them
radiators in winter, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
raising awareness of their
suffering in the cold. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:06 | |
It's the work of a Norwegian
campaign group, who tomorrow | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
will launch an award for the worst
charity video of the year. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:17 | |
I'm a father, and I know that
many of our children in the UK | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
are looking forward to holidays
and presents right now. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
These children live
in a far-off country... | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
They're so tiny. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:28 | |
They're so tiny. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
You do see them in the day,
and they're kids... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
On the list, three British
celebrities, Tom Hardy, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
Ed Sheeran and Eddie Redmayne. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
These images are devastating. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
We had hoped to never
see this again... | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
Their campaign featured
the desperate plight of starving | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
and homeless children,
the kind of heartbreaking images | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
that have long proved
successful when it comes | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
to shocking people into giving. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
A simple step from us
here can save lives there. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
The DEC's Yemen appeal
raised £26 million. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
The East Africa one raised
more than £16 million. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
Valuable sums that have helped
enormously in the short term. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
# Do they know it's
Christmas time at all? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:15 | |
It all began here,
of course, in 1984. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
# Feed the world...# | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
The nearly all-white choir of
Band Aid raised | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
millions using a fine
roster of celebrities. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
The campaign was astonishingly
successful as a fundraiser, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
and as a concept, emulated
consistently over the years since. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
Despite widespread agreement
amongst NGOs in 2007, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
the re-emergence of poverty porn
is causing concern. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
It cements a narrative
of us and them, of the | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
patrons and the victims. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
When you say context,
it is that they have to offer | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
something more than some
stereotypes and simplifications. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
They have to show the location. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
They have to give a voice
to the local population, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
and also to highlight
the structural, underlying | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
issues, for example,
what are the causes for poverty? | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
And not just the simplified solution
or a quick fix to something | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
that has deeper roots. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
MUSIC: You're My Best
Friend by Queen. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:16 | |
They prefer this sort of thing -
the hope and optimism of Batman. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
# Whatever this world
can give to me... | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
But are we becoming oversensitive? | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
Isn't it better to try
and occasionally get things wrong, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
as long as the intentions are good
and the money rolls in? | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
With me now is Afua Hirsch -
a journalist who called for an end | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
to 'poverty porn' in a Guardian
piece this week - | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
and Mark Goldring, he's a trustee
of the emergency fundraising group, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
the Disasters Emergency Committee. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:47 | |
He's also chief executive of Oxfam. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
It's very nice to have you both
here. For all of your reservations, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
this works, this raises money, and
it saves lives, why would you and | 0:31:57 | 0:32:03 | |
pick it, Afua? It depends on what
you are trying to achieve, we all | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
agree that it's important to raise
awareness of humanitarian crises, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
I'm not suggesting we should be
apathetic or stage some kind of | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
intervention but it's a short-term
solution. I know it works and shocks | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
people and gets people to give money
in the short term but in the | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
long-term the message it sends is
that these people not equal, they | 0:32:22 | 0:32:32 | |
are others, they do not deserve the
same dignity. We would never show a | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
British child in that state of
nakedness. We are not protecting | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
their basic dignity. We are creating
a belief with deep historical roots | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
that these people are not agents of
their own lives, we should pity them | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
and at best we can offer them
charity in their hopeless future. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
That is not true. I wonder if you
have a sense of this, that there is | 0:32:46 | 0:32:54 | |
a division that these kinds of
adverts create? If these adverts are | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
the main ways that we portray the
developing world, it would not be | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
right but the picture is much more
complicated. What we are doing is | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
challenging the issues that lie
behind that poverty. So, we told | 0:33:06 | 0:33:15 | |
positive stories about Bangladesh,
and the situation in Myanmar, but | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
there are nearly 1 million people
crossing the border and we have to | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
get aid to them today. In the same
way, Oxfam has been challenging our | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
own government for years on our
policy in Yemen, challenging the | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
Saudis and arms sales. We are saying
that we also need practical help. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
There is a lot in what Afua says
about how these images come across. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:43 | |
The problem is, as soon as you have
a spoof like the Norwegian one, and | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
people laugh, it almost releases you
from obligation. As soon as you are | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
in that position you go, I don't
want to be that person and endorse | 0:33:52 | 0:33:58 | |
that narrative. We've seen this in
campaigns, since Band Aid, it works | 0:33:58 | 0:34:07 | |
as a one-off shock tactic but then
people become desensitised. Once you | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
see those images of babies with
flies in their eyes you lose | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
empathy. It's a very tired formula
and allows people to disengage | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
because ultimately they do not see
these people as humans... Is that | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
right? You run many different kinds
of campaigns. And we communicate on | 0:34:22 | 0:34:28 | |
complicated issues all the time. We
recently put out a film on taxation | 0:34:28 | 0:34:34 | |
and tax dodging. We put weeks into
crafting that film. The average | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
viewer watches it for about ten
seconds. What is happening with an | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
emergency appeal is that
broadcasters are putting something | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
together literally in hours and they
want to command attention. So you | 0:34:45 | 0:34:51 | |
have ten seconds? If the item it is
you don't have enough time to offer | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
someone basic dignity and respect...
I'm not saying that, I think there | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
is a difference between the images
and the overall effect. We are not | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
right to blame celebrities for that.
We need to look at the way we edit. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:09 | |
As an organisation, Oxfam, and many
like us, have strict guidelines on | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
using those kinds of images and
there are too many of them. There's | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
also a sense that there is an
emergency and we need to respond now | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
and that urgency needs to come
through. We need context and to | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
protect the dignity of people we are
dealing with, they need the same | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
rights and treatments that we do. To
both of you, thank you. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:37 | |
Who can say exactly how a cultural
phenomenon gets started, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
but the Acid House phenomenon
in the late 1980s undoubtedly owed | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
a good deal to a group of DJs
who were inspired by what they saw | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
on the party island of Ibiza. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:47 | |
One of them was Danny Rampling,
whose legendary club | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
night in South London -
Shoom - celebrates its 30th | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
anniversary this week. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:53 | |
It helped to give rise to dance
culture and all that it | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
entailed: the super club,
tabloid controversy over ecstasy, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
and the ubiquity of the 'smiley
face' emoji, that our parents always | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
believed was just a,
well, smily face. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
We sent Stephen Smith to find out:
whatever happened to Acid House? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:09 | |
# Just a moment | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
# Please remain in your seats | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
# Please remain in your seats... | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
Many people said it
was like their church. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
It was their new religion. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:29 | |
I could immediately see that this
was going to be huge. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
I was already imagining that,
in a year or two, this | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
was going to be big over the world. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
# Well, I need your love | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
# I need your love... | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
30 years ago, might you have been
making shapes amid the dry ice | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
and smoke of a gym in a south
London basement? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
That's where DJ Danny Rampling
put a very British spin | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
on the easy-going, inclusive vibe
he'd found in the clubs of Ibiza. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
After you, Danny. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:54 | |
Today, Newsnight's taking Rampling
back to his old haunt. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
It's been a few years! | 0:36:56 | 0:36:57 | |
It's now available to rent,
if you're interested. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
Is this very familiar? | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
No! | 0:37:05 | 0:37:06 | |
Not at all? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:07 | |
The entrance was around the back. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
He hasn't been back here since
the club changed premises in 1989. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:15 | |
I could immediately see that this
was going to be huge. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:28 | |
So here we are. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:35 | |
Yes, here we are. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
It didn't look like this back then. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
How did it look? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:39 | |
Er... | 0:37:39 | 0:37:40 | |
It certainly didn't feel
as big as this as well, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
because there were some changing
rooms in here, an office, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
and then a gym area at the back. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
This area here was
the main dance area. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
Here? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:49 | |
Yeah, all this area here. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
It it looks a little bit
trampled down, doesn't it? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
Where did you have your DJ console? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
It was on this side of the room,
so I'd be here with a torch | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
in my mouth, because it was quite
dark down here at times, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
so I could see the vinyl. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
Waving records around and jumping
around and shouting! | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
# Hey! | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
Britain had gone through
the Falklands War. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
It had gone through the rising
interest rates, and it had gone | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
through such high unemployment
as well at the same time. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
So opportunities, particularly in
working-class culture, were limited. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
They were pretty limited. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
And this came along as a reaction
to that period as well. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:25 | |
Remind us who passed through here? | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
Gosh, there's so many. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:29 | |
Boy George was a regular here. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
Martin Fry and Mark White of ABC. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Dexy's Midnight Runners,
Kevin Rowland, Genesis P-Orridge, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:33 | |
Leigh Bowery came down at one time. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
There was one time, he walked
in down these stairs with his famous | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
look with the light bulbs on,
and the security guy, Eric, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
said "Light bulb chops is here." | 0:38:41 | 0:38:50 | |
My brother said, "It's £5. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:51 | |
There is no guest list in here." | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
He said, "Darling, I don't pay
to get in anywhere!" | 0:38:53 | 0:39:03 | |
You might never know it to look
at it, but to many this is one | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
of the most story doors
in music history. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Within a few weeks of Shoom
opening 30 years ago, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
people were queueing right down this
street in the wee small hours | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
to join in the scene and the fun. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:23 | |
# Acid, man | 0:39:23 | 0:39:24 | |
# Acid, man... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
Of course, the smiley face was a 60s
symbol that they put | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
on the third Shoom flyer, I think
it was, and caught the moment. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
They had happy, happy, happy banners
up in the Shoom, in the corridor. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
And it was very much
like a family vibe that they had, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
and that's part of the reason
that it caught the | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
imagination of people. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
Time Out magazine's former nightlife
editor has been in more clubs | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
than you can shake a glow stick at. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
He captured the impact
of Shoom from the get-go. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
Obviously, there was already a great
one nighter club scene in London, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
Manchester and elsewhere,
but this shifted the balance. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
It was a quantum leap
into the mainstream. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:07 | |
# Everybody's free... | 0:40:07 | 0:40:13 | |
The 90s brought a boom and easy
credit, and the alumni at clubs | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
like Shoom began developing
a multi million pound leisure | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
industry around super clubs
and high-profile DJs. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:25 | |
Dance music has infiltrated the pop
tracks for a good few years now. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
You know, your DJs are not these
nameless, faceless guys | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
in the corner of clubs. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
They are people who have Vegas
residencies, whose heads take up | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
eight floors of a hotel building
in terms of ad space. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
The DJs are huge, and the culture
around it is huge. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
Vegas wouldn't put these people
on if they didn't make them millions | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
upon millions of dollars. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
But what's this? | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
Woodwind and strings
on club anthems? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
It's the work of ageless
turntablist Pete Tong | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
and the Heritage Orchestra. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
It's very popular, but is this dance
coming of age, or just ageing? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
The kind of rave generation
of the 90s clubbing phenomena that | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
happened, that generation,
this is the first time that | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
they've got old, old-er. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:23 | |
But that doesn't necessarily mean
that they want to slow down in terms | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
of their musical passion. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:30 | |
So I think it's definitely pulled
a big chunk of those | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
people back out again. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:34 | |
I think the other thing is that
it finishes early, which is good! | 0:41:34 | 0:41:42 | |
Back in south London,
Danny Rampling's getting ready | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
to mark 30 years of Shoom,
but not in the former | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
gym where it all began. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
Presumably, the people who would use
this space will not necessarily | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
know about Shoom? | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
Not unless there's
a blue plaque outside! | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
Who knows? | 0:41:57 | 0:41:58 | |
That may happen at some point. | 0:41:58 | 0:41:59 | |
Yeah, I walk past here,
and yeah, I suppose I do get | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
nostalgic when I pass here. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
Well, I think we should perhaps
leave before we fill up. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
What do you say, Danny? | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
# Come into my life | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
# I got so much love to show you | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
I love coming back here. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
# Boy, I adore you | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
# Come into my life | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
# I got so much love
to show you | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
# Come into my life | 0:42:23 | 0:42:24 | |
# Boy, I adore you...# | 0:42:24 | 0:42:32 | |
And with that, they left. And we
must too. That's all we've got time | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
for. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Evan is with you tomorrow. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:40 | |
Goodnight. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Goodnight. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 |