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They all told him not to.
The United Nations,
the EU - even the Pope.
In Gaza they reacted with anger.
But Trump insists it's
the right thing to do.
I have determined that it is time
to officially recognise Jerusalem
as the capital of Israel.
An ancient city at the heart
of a centuries old conflict
is thrust back into the spotlight
as the Palestinians
says it's deplorable.
And the Turkish President warns
Trump his decision could plunge
the region back into
a 'fire with no end'.
We speak to the Israeli
ambassador to the UK,
and key voices from the region.
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What the Middle East needs
now, said no one ever,
is something to make the regions
politics more complicated.
America's President seems
to have missed the memo.
This evening, Donald Trump confirmed
a campaign pledge: the recognition
of Jerusalem as the capital
of Israel - a symbolic statement
fraught with practical implications.
In a tightly scripted address
he said he would build the US
embassy in that city,
insisting he was acting
in the pursuit of peace
between Israel and the Palestinians
and that the US supported
a two state solution
if agreed by both sides.
He was warmly thanked
by Israel's Prime Minister.
Fury from many on the other side.
Tonight, we ask what
the ramifications of this
move are likely to be.
But we start with this report
by Gabriel Gatehouse.
Jerusalem is many things to many
people. A place that embodies the
shared heritage of the world's great
civilisations and a city whose
ancient walls have long been an
incubator for their festering
divisions. Today, Donald Trump
walked into this most treacherous of
minefields, and pledged to shake
When I came into office
I promised to look at the world's
challenges. With open eyes, and very
fresh thinking. We cannot solve our
problems by making the same failed
assumptions and repeating the same
failed strategies of the past. When
that his announcement was
anticipated with foreboding in the
Middle East but there were hints he
may be aiming at an audience closer
to home. Therefore I am determined
that it is time to officially
recognise Jerusalem as the capital
of Israel. While previous Presidents
have made this a major campaign
promise, they failed to deliver.
Today, I am delivering.
Trump's motivation was born in part
out of the desire to deliver are on
the pledges of 2016, then the
ramifications on this reach further
back in history. In 1948 when the
Jewish state was born, Israel
proclaimed Jerusalem its capital but
on the ground, the city was divided
into Western and Eastern sectors.
Israel in control of the West, and
Jordan the east, including the old
city. In 1967, in six days, the same
time it took the gold of the old
Testament to create the world,
Israel reach you the Middle East. --
again true. Israel seized the
eastern part of the city and
expanded the city limits. The
Palestinians want to see occupied
territory become the future of an
independent state. Today's
announcement has, in fact, been a
long time coming. In 1995 Congress
passed an act requiring the US
government to move it embassy from
Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Since then,
every six months every president has
deferred that move on the grounds of
national security but today,
President Obama's successor promised
to put an end to that.
nothing more or less than a
recognition of reality. It is also
the right thing to do. It is
something that has to be done.
that, at a stroke, and many
diplomats fear that America's
crucial role as a peace broker has
been fatally undermined.
Much of the
statement will leave a sense of
vacancy and many in Europe and
across the Arab world will wonder
where the process goes next, and
whether America, particularly under
President Trump, is committed to a
genuine and fair to state solution.
Donald Trump said that America was.
The United States would support a
two state solution. If agreed to by
I think there was
evidence that some of those
diplomats, who have been trying to
reduce the negative impact of this
announcement, did get to work on
There was some
reassurance for the Palestinians who
want to return to pre-1967 borders.
We are not taking a position of any
final status issues. Including the
specific boundaries of the Israeli
sovereignty in Jerusalem or the
resolution of contested borders.
it does not really negate what is
still a very dangerous announcement
at a delicate time for the Middle
East. The sad thing is, many of
those extremists across the region
will be the ones celebrating this in
Donald Trump has sent
his young son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
to the middle east in search of what
he calls the ultimate deal.
an agreement that is a great deal
for the Israelis and a great deal
for the Palestinians.
I would be the
first one to celebrate if there is a
superbly crafted strategy behind
this announcement. But I won't be
holding my breath. We hear a lot
about Donald Trump being a great
deal maker and certainly in his book
he says you've got to hold back many
of the strongest cards you got. It
looks like he's played one of those
cards a little too early.
That was Gabriel Gatehouse.
In a moment we will hear
from the Israeli ambassador
Mark Regev and the Palestinian
academic Ghada Karmi.
Although we're not expecting
to resolve the regions issues
here in the Newsnight studio -
so they'll not be
debating head to head.
But first - our diplomatic editor,
Mark Urban is here.
What surprised you most about Donald
I think that
given there was that nod towards the
two state solution and the statement
from the president Duterte was not
intended, the move today, to
prejudice issues, it could go he
could have acknowledged the idea to
have the capital in East Jerusalem.
It could have been something he did.
It's been many years since the
diplomatic game was about an
international solution for
Jerusalem, a zone to be ruled by the
international community. For decades
it has been about the two state
solution and for everyone who has
worked on that problem, every
diplomat I have spoken to for 30
years on this knows that the
Palestinian state without its
capital in East Jerusalem is not a
viable solution to the conflict.
what you make of those
internationally showing support for
There have been one or
two, interestingly, and going back
to that point the Czech Republic,
for example, today said that they
would the American lead and move its
embassy to Jerusalem. They also
mentioned the Palestinian aspiration
for a capital in East Jerusalem. The
Philippines followed suit but by and
large the reaction is negative. The
UK said they will not move their
embassy, many other European
countries taking a similar tone will
see if others join in with the Czech
Republic and the Philippines in the
Mark Urban, thank you.
Let's pick up with our guests, let
me start with Ghada Karmi, Donald
Trump is right when he says the old
way is broken and there's no point
in repeating the same formula and
you've got to reach out to new
He isn't right can he
does not know anything about it.
What the Middle East does not need
right now is a president like Donald
Trump. The reality is the American
president has endorsed an illegal
situation. Israel is in illegal
occupation of Arab Jerusalem, and
its sovereignty over West Jerusalem
is not recognised by the
international community. That is a
legal fact. Now, Donald Trump has
chosen to violate international law
by endorsing something very illegal,
which is Israeli controlled
sovereignty over Jerusalem, calling
itself the capital, this kind of
thing. This is very bad.
says he is deeply committed to
peace, when he says that this is
nothing more than a recognition of
reality, do you not have faith that
this is the first step of what could
be a solution?
No, of course not!
First of all, it does not
acknowledge that the Palestinians
have any rights. I noticed your
commentator Mark Urban talking about
aspiration. Palestinians have a
right to the city. I was born in
Giroud Slim and an part of the
indigenous people of Jerusalem. I am
a native of Jerusalem. -- I was born
in Jerusalem. The fact that the
United States president cannot bring
himself to mention Palestinian
rights in the city is appalling.
That's the first problem. The second
problem is we know that Donald Trump
is not a free agent. He is
surrounded by pro-Israel advisers,
pro Israel officials...
To be fair
the American stance towards Israel
has not differed particularly from
one president to another.
because it has always been dictated
by Israeli interests.
So he cannot
broker peace, or America cannot
Of course not, he is
compromised. He is surrounded by pro
Israel began discuss -- propaganda,
and he cannot operate as a free
agent, even if he had the will to do
I want to talk about the
practicalities now. He said he is
calling on both sides to respect the
status quo. How should Mahmoud
Abbasi respond and how should young
Palestinian men respond if they feel
upset by what they have heard
tonight? -- Mahmood Abbas. Should
they legitimately protest or work
towards the two state solution he
There's no two state
solution to talk about, if they have
gone out of the equation, I don't
know how they should but I know how
they feel. They will protest, they
are angry and they have every right
to be angry. What is dangerous about
this, because it's bad enough that
it is illegal, it is bad enough that
Trump is influenced by all kinds of
I'm talking about the
practicalities. Do the moderates
just give up?
Listen, it isn't about
moderates, please let me be clear.
This is about a whole people who
have rights in that city. Of course
they are angry. Of course they will
protest. Nobody should be surprised.
Why I think this is so dangerous, is
because one of the first things that
might happen, and watch for this, is
that Israel would be emboldened to
take over the Islamic holy places,
it has had its eye on the mosque in
the city for a long time. If they
take it over now with a lot of new
self-confidence, watch what happens.
Let me put some of those points
over to Mark Regev. Thank you. Piece
in this area. Is it a joke?
a just move for peace. Because there
is an international norm. Everybody
A norm? The EU doesn't,
the Pope doesn't...
Let me make my
point, there is a norm that it has
respected every country's right to
choose their capital. The sovereign
right of every country on the
planet. There are countries, as you
know, Emily, who have changed their
Turkey, China... You
know how provocative the move is.
Why are we denied the right to
choose our own capital city? A right
every country on this planet has.
you can call it what you want, the
Palestinians can call it what they
want. My question is, from what you
have seen so far Donald Trump, what
makes you think that he is a classy
peace broker? What makes you think
that he is committed to solving the
world's crisis, that he has a firm
grip on international relations? Do
want to tie your country's future to
him as a peace broker?
I would urge
you to look at this decision on the
substance. The substance is
He says he is committed to
a two state solution and a peace
process and he's done that by deeply
offending and inflaming relations in
that part of the world.
for a moment. The Palestinians and
the Arab world say that they
recognise Israel within the 1967
boundaries and so we all know that
Jerusalem has been the capital of
Israel since 1949. Why is there a
problem with recognising Jerusalem
as the capital of Israel?
extraordinary that you put that
question to me. You know this area,
you know the complexities inside
out. You have a responsibility,
don't you, to tell him that he is
wrong? Don't you think it would be
more important to not look at the
short term gains and to get the
longer term peace process right?
all have a responsibility to get it
right and what is the fact? That the
Israeli government sit in Giroud
Jerusalem, and when foreign leaders
sit there, they come to Jerusalem.
When foreign diplomats meet with
their counterparts, they come to
You do not acknowledge
how much offence it has caused to
Palestinian residents. Now, you
heard what our guest just said, that
it would embolden Israelis to forget
the sanctity of the mosque and all
of that. This is where you think
Israel can claim whatever it wants.
My Prime Minister said just two
hours ago that we will maintain the
holy sites and continued to keep the
status quo and the religious rights
of all people. You need to do more
than that. It is about respecting
people who call that their home and
assert their claim to it. So what is
the olive branch now that the
Israeli government has to offer to
Palestinians to recognise that this
is something they do not consider
Let's be clear what's fair,
and legal. You cannot have peace
without Jerusalem being Israel's
capital, and those on the
Palestinian side you have these
dangerous fantasies that somehow we
are going to throw all of the dues
out of Jerusalem, that is a
nonstarter. President Trump has
drawn a line in the sand today to
say that it is time for the
Palestinians to recognise that the
Jewish people have rights to their
capital city, and it is good for
Congressmen Lee Zeldin is
Republican member of the Foreign
Affairs Committee in the US.
of the House Republican
Ilnur Cevik is chief advisor
to the Turkish President,
Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
The onus is now on the Palestinians,
according to Mark Trevor Grills, to
move on and accept the peace. --
Mark Regev. What do you say to that?
If you do not extend an olive branch
to the Palestinians, what can you
ask from them? What can you expect
from them? It's a very hard thing to
turn to these people and say,
Jerusalem is the capital, finished.
Now, if they had said, fine, West
Jerusalem, we have the capital of
Israel, the Palestinians have a
right for east Jerusalem to be their
So as a key player in the
region, what does Turkey do now? How
do you face this new reality?
Turkey is frustrated, deeply
frustrated, because Turkey feels
that while it wants to maintain
relations with Israel, for the sake
of the Palestinians, it is becoming
harder and harder for Turkey to
maintain a kind of plausible
relationship with Israel. The
Turkish president has already said,
we may even sever ties.
Do you think
that will happen now?
downgrade its relations. I don't
know. It depends how the situation
Would you be as bold with
your relations with the US now?
Well, Turkey has already announced
that it rejects the US decision. The
Turkish parliament, for the first
time, all the parties have come
together, the Kurds and the left
wing, everybody, for the first time
in nearly ten years, they have come
together to denounce the American
decision, and this shows it's not
only Recep Tayyip Erdogan, but its
across-the-board, all parties, who
are hugely against the Turkish
government, the opposition, have
come together to reject this
You heard the voice in our
film earlier saying that this is a
victory for extremists, who can ride
roughshod over moderate views now
and say, we have to respond to this
in the only way we see fit. What do
you have to do, as a key player in
the region, to make sure it doesn't
inflame? By severing relations, you
are ducking out, right?
president has said that this is one
of the options. He didn't say it was
going to happen.
You are his chief
adviser. What will you be advising
Our advice will be that
we need a kind of leveraged on
Israel. Some form of leveraged is
needed there. However, the
Palestinians have a right, and when
you do not answer to the demands of
moderate Palestinians who want
peace, who want just their rights,
who won Jerusalem, who have been
born in Jerusalem, to say, this is
my home. If they are denied those
rights, we are all playing into the
hands of those radicals.
Cevik, thank you for coming in.
Let's pick up now with Lee Zeldin,
member of the Republican Foreign
Affairs Committee. You have the Pope
against you, the UN, the EU, and
most countries. Do you have any
qualms about what your president has
I strongly support the
President's decision. It is a fact
that the capital of Israel is
Jerusalem. This is where the Israeli
Knesset is located. The offices and
homes of the Israeli Prime Minister
and president, the Supreme Court...
We need to all be honest with each
other. The fact is that the capital
of Israel is Jerusalem.
the core niceties seem to overlook
what a precarious position this has
put Israel and the Palestinians in
Well, I would say what
really complicates things the most
is when you have Palestinian
terrorists murdering innocent
Israelis. Just yesterday, the house
of Representatives passed a Taylor
Force act. Taylor force was a
graduate of the United States
military Academy of West point who
was brutally murdered by Palestinian
And you think this will
I think it is a huge issue
that needs to be addressed. On the
one side you have a party trying to
promote peace, and on the other, you
are treating terrorists as heads of
state and financially rewarding
You have a president who
tries to ban Muslims of certain
countries even coming into the US.
Do you think he has the right man to
broker peace in Israel, in the
Pieces going to be
negotiated on the ground, regardless
of who the president is at any time.
It's going to be important that
whoever is in charge of Israel, or
the Palestinian authority, that they
have the ability to negotiate peace.
That has been won over course of
generations, not just years and
decades, but it has been elusive. I
don't know if any single person
outside of Israel and that region
are capable of doing this for them.
It really needs to be done on the
So maybe he should have
stayed out of it? One of our guests
just called President Trump a know
Again, the capital
of Israel is Jerusalem. I'm not
questioning that the Palestinian
authority is headquartered in
Romana. I have been there and met
with the Prime Minister of the
Palestinian authority. I don't
question that that is where they are
headquartered at. There's a certain
realities here. The Prime Minister
said to my face that he would not
recognise Israel as a Jewish state.
You also have to considered the fact
that if the Palestinian authority
leadership was in good faith
negotiating a deal, let's say people
are sitting down in 2018, there is
an element in the Palestinian
authority, Hamas, who will not rest
until Israel is wiped off the map.
Thank you for joining us.
Theresa May found a new form a words
today which may soon be
adopted by school children
and the work-shy world over.
When asked about Monday's attempted
Brexit deal on Northern Ireland
she merely claimed 'very good
progress has been made'.
It sounded a bit hollow
in the House of Commons -
and was met with laughter.
Tonight, however, there were some
positive sounds coming
from the Irish Taoiseach,
I agreed to examine any text that
they put forward in a positive
light, understanding that it is
within the interests of our country
to move to phase two. Those things
are important to Ireland, and I want
to get back to the point where we
have good relations with the UK
again. I would look at any text with
an open mind and a positive outlook,
but I emphasise the fact that when
it comes to the substance and
meaning of what was agreed on
Monday, I can't depart from that.
Our political editor, Nick Watt, is
here. How will those words be
greeted in Downing Street?
I'm open to new wording, but it must
be in addition to the current
wording. Theresa May wants to avoid
what happened at the weekend when
the DUP were not shown the wording.
She is consulting on the text and
she is talking to Sinn Fein. But she
has a very difficult balancing act.
She has to win back the DUP, but not
in a way that Sinn Fein tumble out
of the equation. It is very
difficult. A DUP source said this
evening that the wording is toxic
and has to go. Another DUP source
said they did not like the wording
and could just about envisage a
situation where the existing wording
stays, but the new wording would
have to be dramatically in their
favour for that to happen. Plus,
Michel Barnier has said,
effectively, that there is 48 hours
to sort this out.
on Philip Hammond as well.
the Treasury Select Committee that
it would be inconceivable for the UK
not to pay its financial settlement
of the UK, even if we don't have a
deal. Downing Street came out a few
hours later and said, I think not.
They said the offer from the UK was
contingent on getting that future
trade relationship. A few hours
earlier, David Davis, the Brexit
Secretary, confirmed that the
government hadn't carried out a
formal impact assessment of the
consequences of Brexit, and that was
enough to ensure that the Brexit
Select Committee, voting on party
lines, voted, but it is in not in
contempt of Parliament.
Every since Band Aid -
the charity single put together
by a host of A-list musicians back
in 1984, we've got used
to the idea of celebrities rallying
around to solve world poverty.
This Christmas will
be no different -
Ed Sheeran, Tom Hardy,
and Eddie Redmayne are all starring
in adverts aimed at raising money
for humanitarian crises -
child malnutrition, famine,
the war in Yemen.
are beyond reproach.
They raise awareness
and often millions of pounds.
But there is a growing
unease at the signals
these videos send out -
labelled "Poverty Porn"
by their critics.
One group of activists got
so annoyed by the campaigns
they launched their own response -
and award for the worst.
It's Africa's turn to help, croon
the singers in this spoof video.
The group tell of a need
to highlight the plight of poor
Norwegians, by bringing them
radiators in winter,
raising awareness of their
suffering in the cold.
It's the work of a Norwegian
campaign group, who tomorrow
will launch an award for the worst
charity video of the year.
I'm a father, and I know that
many of our children in the UK
are looking forward to holidays
and presents right now.
These children live
in a far-off country...
They're so tiny.
They're so tiny.
You do see them in the day,
and they're kids...
On the list, three British
celebrities, Tom Hardy,
Ed Sheeran and Eddie Redmayne.
These images are devastating.
We had hoped to never
see this again...
Their campaign featured
the desperate plight of starving
and homeless children,
the kind of heartbreaking images
that have long proved
successful when it comes
to shocking people into giving.
A simple step from us
here can save lives there.
The DEC's Yemen appeal
raised £26 million.
The East Africa one raised
more than £16 million.
Valuable sums that have helped
enormously in the short term.
# Do they know it's
Christmas time at all?
It all began here,
of course, in 1984.
# Feed the world...#
The nearly all-white choir of
Band Aid raised
millions using a fine
roster of celebrities.
The campaign was astonishingly
successful as a fundraiser,
and as a concept, emulated
consistently over the years since.
Despite widespread agreement
amongst NGOs in 2007,
the re-emergence of poverty porn
is causing concern.
It cements a narrative
of us and them, of the
patrons and the victims.
When you say context,
it is that they have to offer
something more than some
stereotypes and simplifications.
They have to show the location.
They have to give a voice
to the local population,
and also to highlight
the structural, underlying
issues, for example,
what are the causes for poverty?
And not just the simplified solution
or a quick fix to something
that has deeper roots.
MUSIC: You're My Best
Friend by Queen.
They prefer this sort of thing -
the hope and optimism of Batman.
# Whatever this world
can give to me...
But are we becoming oversensitive?
Isn't it better to try
and occasionally get things wrong,
as long as the intentions are good
and the money rolls in?
With me now is Afua Hirsch -
a journalist who called for an end
to 'poverty porn' in a Guardian
piece this week -
and Mark Goldring, he's a trustee
of the emergency fundraising group,
the Disasters Emergency Committee.
He's also chief executive of Oxfam.
It's very nice to have you both
here. For all of your reservations,
this works, this raises money, and
it saves lives, why would you and
pick it, Afua?
It depends on what
you are trying to achieve, we all
agree that it's important to raise
awareness of humanitarian crises,
I'm not suggesting we should be
apathetic or stage some kind of
intervention but it's a short-term
solution. I know it works and shocks
people and gets people to give money
in the short term but in the
long-term the message it sends is
that these people not equal, they
are others, they do not deserve the
same dignity. We would never show a
British child in that state of
nakedness. We are not protecting
their basic dignity. We are creating
a belief with deep historical roots
that these people are not agents of
their own lives, we should pity them
and at best we can offer them
charity in their hopeless future.
That is not true.
I wonder if you
have a sense of this, that there is
a division that these kinds of
If these adverts are
the main ways that we portray the
developing world, it would not be
right but the picture is much more
complicated. What we are doing is
challenging the issues that lie
behind that poverty. So, we told
positive stories about Bangladesh,
and the situation in Myanmar, but
there are nearly 1 million people
crossing the border and we have to
get aid to them today. In the same
way, Oxfam has been challenging our
own government for years on our
policy in Yemen, challenging the
Saudis and arms sales. We are saying
that we also need practical help.
There is a lot in what Afua says
about how these images come across.
The problem is, as soon as you have
a spoof like the Norwegian one, and
people laugh, it almost releases you
from obligation. As soon as you are
in that position you go, I don't
want to be that person and endorse
We've seen this in
campaigns, since Band Aid, it works
as a one-off shock tactic but then
people become desensitised. Once you
see those images of babies with
flies in their eyes you lose
empathy. It's a very tired formula
and allows people to disengage
because ultimately they do not see
these people as humans...
right? You run many different kinds
And we communicate on
complicated issues all the time. We
recently put out a film on taxation
and tax dodging. We put weeks into
crafting that film. The average
viewer watches it for about ten
seconds. What is happening with an
emergency appeal is that
broadcasters are putting something
together literally in hours and they
want to command attention.
have ten seconds?
If the item it is
you don't have enough time to offer
someone basic dignity and respect...
I'm not saying that, I think there
is a difference between the images
and the overall effect. We are not
right to blame celebrities for that.
We need to look at the way we edit.
As an organisation, Oxfam, and many
like us, have strict guidelines on
using those kinds of images and
there are too many of them. There's
also a sense that there is an
emergency and we need to respond now
and that urgency needs to come
We need context and to
protect the dignity of people we are
dealing with, they need the same
rights and treatments that we do.
both of you, thank you.
Who can say exactly how a cultural
phenomenon gets started,
but the Acid House phenomenon
in the late 1980s undoubtedly owed
a good deal to a group of DJs
who were inspired by what they saw
on the party island of Ibiza.
One of them was Danny Rampling,
whose legendary club
night in South London -
Shoom - celebrates its 30th
anniversary this week.
It helped to give rise to dance
culture and all that it
entailed: the super club,
tabloid controversy over ecstasy,
and the ubiquity of the 'smiley
face' emoji, that our parents always
believed was just a,
well, smily face.
We sent Stephen Smith to find out:
whatever happened to Acid House?
# Just a moment
# Please remain in your seats
# Please remain in your seats...
Many people said it
was like their church.
It was their new religion.
I could immediately see that this
was going to be huge.
I was already imagining that,
in a year or two, this
was going to be big over the world.
# Well, I need your love
# I need your love...
30 years ago, might you have been
making shapes amid the dry ice
and smoke of a gym in a south
That's where DJ Danny Rampling
put a very British spin
on the easy-going, inclusive vibe
he'd found in the clubs of Ibiza.
After you, Danny.
Today, Newsnight's taking Rampling
back to his old haunt.
It's been a few years!
It's now available to rent,
if you're interested.
Is this very familiar?
Not at all?
The entrance was around the back.
He hasn't been back here since
the club changed premises in 1989.
I could immediately see that this
was going to be huge.
So here we are.
Yes, here we are.
It didn't look like this back then.
How did it look?
It certainly didn't feel
as big as this as well,
because there were some changing
rooms in here, an office,
and then a gym area at the back.
This area here was
the main dance area.
Yeah, all this area here.
It it looks a little bit
trampled down, doesn't it?
Where did you have your DJ console?
It was on this side of the room,
so I'd be here with a torch
in my mouth, because it was quite
dark down here at times,
so I could see the vinyl.
Waving records around and jumping
around and shouting!
Britain had gone through
the Falklands War.
It had gone through the rising
interest rates, and it had gone
through such high unemployment
as well at the same time.
So opportunities, particularly in
working-class culture, were limited.
They were pretty limited.
And this came along as a reaction
to that period as well.
Remind us who passed through here?
Gosh, there's so many.
Boy George was a regular here.
Martin Fry and Mark White of ABC.
Dexy's Midnight Runners,
Kevin Rowland, Genesis P-Orridge,
Leigh Bowery came down at one time.
There was one time, he walked
in down these stairs with his famous
look with the light bulbs on,
and the security guy, Eric,
said "Light bulb chops is here."
My brother said, "It's £5.
There is no guest list in here."
He said, "Darling, I don't pay
to get in anywhere!"
You might never know it to look
at it, but to many this is one
of the most story doors
in music history.
Within a few weeks of Shoom
opening 30 years ago,
people were queueing right down this
street in the wee small hours
to join in the scene and the fun.
# Acid, man
# Acid, man...
Of course, the smiley face was a 60s
symbol that they put
on the third Shoom flyer, I think
it was, and caught the moment.
They had happy, happy, happy banners
up in the Shoom, in the corridor.
And it was very much
like a family vibe that they had,
and that's part of the reason
that it caught the
imagination of people.
Time Out magazine's former nightlife
editor has been in more clubs
than you can shake a glow stick at.
He captured the impact
of Shoom from the get-go.
Obviously, there was already a great
one nighter club scene in London,
Manchester and elsewhere,
but this shifted the balance.
It was a quantum leap
into the mainstream.
# Everybody's free...
The 90s brought a boom and easy
credit, and the alumni at clubs
like Shoom began developing
a multi million pound leisure
industry around super clubs
and high-profile DJs.
Dance music has infiltrated the pop
tracks for a good few years now.
You know, your DJs are not these
nameless, faceless guys
in the corner of clubs.
They are people who have Vegas
residencies, whose heads take up
eight floors of a hotel building
in terms of ad space.
The DJs are huge, and the culture
around it is huge.
Vegas wouldn't put these people
on if they didn't make them millions
upon millions of dollars.
But what's this?
Woodwind and strings
on club anthems?
It's the work of ageless
turntablist Pete Tong
and the Heritage Orchestra.
It's very popular, but is this dance
coming of age, or just ageing?
The kind of rave generation
of the 90s clubbing phenomena that
happened, that generation,
this is the first time that
they've got old, old-er.
But that doesn't necessarily mean
that they want to slow down in terms
of their musical passion.
So I think it's definitely pulled
a big chunk of those
people back out again.
I think the other thing is that
it finishes early, which is good!
Back in south London,
Danny Rampling's getting ready
to mark 30 years of Shoom,
but not in the former
gym where it all began.
Presumably, the people who would use
this space will not necessarily
know about Shoom?
Not unless there's
a blue plaque outside!
That may happen at some point.
Yeah, I walk past here,
and yeah, I suppose I do get
nostalgic when I pass here.
Well, I think we should perhaps
leave before we fill up.
What do you say, Danny?
# Come into my life
# I got so much love to show you
I love coming back here.
# Boy, I adore you
# Come into my life
# I got so much love
to show you
# Come into my life
# Boy, I adore you...#
And with that, they left. And we
must too. That's all we've got time
Evan is with you tomorrow.
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