With Evan Davis. A new Brexit border deal draft is proposed, how to deal with returning jihadis, Cornwall's Brexit dilemma, plus is adult anorexia provision failing?
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It seems the pieces may be
falling into place tonight.
Could a deal soon be done and then
Britain move to phase two
of the Brexit talks?
The big names in Brussels
are getting ready
for something to emerge
at first light tomorrow.
Is the PM really poised to crack
the Irish border conundrum?
Meet Gavin Williamson,
the new Defence Secretary.
He says we should kill British
jihadis who are overseas.
Was he grandstanding or advocating
that we break the law?
We'll hear what exactly the law is,
and how best to deal
with former IS fighters.
Just a good fun girl to have in the
party and as parents, we are
incredibly proud of her. -- to have
in the family, and as parents, we
are incredibly proud of her.
his daughter's life.
Are adult sufferers of this
serious mental illness
being failed by the system?
We'll start tonight
with the latest on Brexit,
and although there is no deal
to report - no crossing
of a threshold into phase
two of the talks yet -
there has been a sudden flurry
of optimistic comments,
and the organising of a possible
dash to Brussels by
the Prime Minister, maybe
early, early tomorrow.
That would be a choreographed
To be honest, the problem of sorting
out the Irish border
issue had looked huge -
and with the deadline of Sunday,
it seems remarkable that we may get
a deal in the morning,
with time to spare.
But then again, we may not!
Well, Nick Watt, our political
editor is here with me.
Nick, I don't think we'd expected
this, had we? Suddenly Reuters
started talking about...
month ago, I was told by people that
this Friday was the unofficial
deadline because after this Friday
it is very difficult to make
substantive changes to European
Council draft conclusions. Progress
has been made today. I am told it
has been a decent day in comparison
to yesterday which was described as
a holding pattern. So the Prime
Minister has talking to the
Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, and
discussions have taken place through
the normal channels and I am told it
is not impossible that the Prime
Minister could make an early morning
visit to Brussels tomorrow morning
to stand alongside the president of
the European Council, Donald Tusk,
because of course he is in the
decision-making and it is up to the
European Council to decide if we
move onto the next stage. The
message is that we are making
progress but we're not quite there.
Talks are continuing through the
night and for the Prime Minister,
the most crucial talk she's got to
have tonight is with Arlene Foster,
What is conspicuous,
this has all come out, I haven't
heard anything about how they have
resolved this. Any indication of
what they have done?
I think what we
are looking at is Leo Varadkar was
very clear that the wording that was
there on Monday has to but you can
have additional wording and what
that has got to do for the DUP is
make absolutely clear that Northern
Ireland is fully and completely
integrated with the rest of the
United Kingdom. Now, their strategy
this week, because we have MPs
talking about how it is a toxic
document, they want to make a Prime
Minister sweat. I have been speaking
to DUP sources. They say we're not
there yet, talking about how they
are moving slowly, surely, carefully
but crucially confidently and
interestingly talk of Donald Tusk
speaking tomorrow morning has put a
shot in the arm because they say
they like positive momentum.
say it will be on our programme
tomorrow evening but stay there
because you are helping with the
next item well.
Gavin Williamson is not the best
known cabinet minster -
he only moved into his job
as Defence Secretary five weeks ago.
Here he is - a Remainer,
the most striking thing
about his appointment was just how
unpopular it appeared to be
among many of his colleagues,
who felt he was promoted too
far too young.
So he has a lot to prove.
And it's thus, perhaps,
no surprise he's been
trying to prove himself.
This week, he vowed
to save two heroic army dogs
from being put down.
And today, he was in the Daily Mail,
pledging to be tough
on British Jihadists returning
from fighting with
so-called Islamic State.
He implied that Britain would search
out and kill the fighters.
But what did he mean?
Often there's less to these
kinds of pronouncements
than meets the eye.
Did he mean that we should break
the law and shoot to kill?
Or was he was just trying to sound
tough while making no
change in policy at all?
Certainly, there was a hint of
backtracking in later TV interviews;
with a stress on continuity.
Whether it's with Daesh, al-Qaeda,
operating in foreign fields, we need
to deal with that,
we are dealing with that.
We have been over the last few years
the terrorist threat.
We'll continue to do
that going forward.
So has Mr Williamson said
and is there more we should be doing
to stop or even kill
British fighters abroad?
We did ask him onto the programme
but he was not available.
But with the politics of this,
Nick Watt, our political
editor is still with me.
What did you make of that Daily Mail
Well, I spoke to one
senior MoD source who said there was
shot in the MoD when they saw these
comments this morning. One said to
me that this sounded like shoot to
kill which is taking yourself
outside of the law. They said to me
that when you are an international
rules -based country you don't get
down to the same level as the
terrorists. There was real anger and
concern at what was being said and
some criticism of Karen Williamson
-- of Gavin Williamson, a new
Defence Secretary, clearly has
leadership ambitions, and he is
clearly burnishing them.
Interestingly in Downing Street they
don't seem too concerned. I think
Gavin Williamson was talking about
targeting terrorists in the theatre
of war where the UK is involved in
air strikes and they are saying when
it is the theatre of war the rules
are less stringent than when David
Cameron had to give very stringent
rules to air strikes, particularly
Let's dwell on that the
Lytton -- dwell on that a little.
that back in the 2000s,
when UKL forces were active
in Helmand Province in Afghanistan,
and it would have been helpful
to make drone strikes in Pakistan
at the time, but the advice was that
that was not lawful.
So let's get a legal take now
from the human rights
lawyer, Fahad Ansari.
Good evening. What is the difference
between a dream strike aiming to
kill somebody that is legal and one
that is illegal? -- a drone strike?
We live in a democracy with a rule
of law and we do not have the death
penalty in this country. Everybody,
no matter what the allegation
against them, is entitled to a fair
trial. Now that context, for any
action to take place, whether it is
by Ed drone, an air strike, what
ever it is, it is unlawful because
you was a merrily executing someone.
Yes, but we know not every drone
strike out in Syria is unlawful.
all depends on whether the UK is
involved in armed conflict in Syria.
Let's assume that de facto we are.
We are allowed to drone strike
people in Syria because it is a
theatre of war?
Not exactly. The
threat has to be imminent. Even if
you are engaged in war, if Syria and
the UK are at war, who are you at
war with? On whose authority are you
flying your aeroplanes into Syria?
don't want to get into the legality
of the Syria action at the moment.
You mentioned Syria.
Because that is
where our strikes have been. If you
are in the theatre of war, you can
drone strike in the theatre of war?
When you drop this drone, how can
you guarantee it won't kill someone
else in the vicinity? I'll give you
an example, a British citizen was
killed in an American drone strike a
few months ago. Sally Jones. Do you
know who was killed with her? Her
What was his crime?
But you are not going to argue that
all drone strikes are illegal?
Unfortunately, the way the Defence
Secretary has pitched this, he
didn't specify the theatre of war,
he didn't specify who he was
targeting. He just said a dead
terrorist couldn't argue. He does he
define as a terrorist? Assumedly he
is talking about IS at the moment.
The reality is that the British and
has already executed two of its
citizens within Syria.
We will hear
more about that now. Fahad, thank
So, how big is the problem
with so-called IS fighters trying
to return to the UK -
and how are they being dealt with?
Here's Mike Thomson.
The first British to Hadi in Syria
to be hunted down -- British jihadi
in Syria to be hunted down, in this
case by an RAF drone was Reyaad
Khan. The next to die was June eight
Hussein. The next to die was the man
known as jihadi John, hit by another
drone strike. And in July this year,
Sally Ann Jones was reportedly
killed by yet another drone strike,
reportedly with her 12-year-old son.
Those targeted were in a war zone
and considered a threat to the UK
but according to Russia, all foreign
fighters have now fled.
territory of Syria has been
completely liberated from fighters
of this terrorist organisation.
could 40,000 would-be jihadists from
more than 100 countries really have
vanished so quickly? Whatever the
case, some have little sympathy for
those targeted up until now.
courts have tended latterly to take
the bee that anybody who goes
overseas and receives military
training from a group like Al-Qaeda
or Islamic State is, by definition,
guilty of terrorism. Well, those who
are engaged in combat operations
are, I think, legitimately
vulnerable to military attacks and
we have seen cases where that has
happened. In some cases, targeted
attacks where the individual
concerned is deemed to present a
clear and present danger to the
This makes difficult
listening for the parents of... He
is now a captive of Kurdish fighters
after leaving work earlier this
In my personal case, obviously
my own son, is he on this list? Is
Gavin Williams hunting down, is he
going to order SAS squads to hunt
down and kill my only son? I would
like him to have a trial. I would
like him to stand up and account for
what he has done and to be grilled
and any evidence there is against
him should be brought up and if he
has done anything wrong, he should
pay the price, but not to be killed
by an assassin, which sounds like
what he is advocating.
Secretary Gavin Williamson has not
said people would be targeted
outside of Syria and Iraq but the
assertion that a dead terrorist
can't cause any harm makes some fear
that this could be possible. Jack
bowls-mac Barber is one.
going to be hunting down the jihadi
's who have returned to the UK? Well
they hunt down people in Leicester,
Manchester and Birmingham, because
they say their 400 returned. Are
they going to liquidate them as
Given that many Britons lost
or destroyed their passports when
they were there, proving they were
even there, never mind if they were
jihadi is, will not be easy.
Richard Walton was the head
of the Met Police's counter
terrorism command from 2011 to 2015
and he's here with me now.
Do you think Gavin Williamson
changed policy this morning, or was
he kind of just sounding like he
It certainly sounds
it. He certainly sounded more
balanced today and with hindsight,
looking back. Alan stuffed words and
more balanced than he was yesterday.
Cashmore balanced afterwards. You
must never give the impression or
implied that killing terrorists is a
first result, that is not the
strategy of the British Government.
We fight terrorism through the rule
of law, whether that's true
international law in the context of
war, or outside that zone.
their agreement on that? Does the
law just get in the way, is it human
rights nonsense, it is or has
everybody signed up to the idea and
has to stick to it?
It has been for
many decades and it is something the
British system has learnt over
decades, painfully sometimes the
Phillies in the past. If you look in
the last four years, there have been
22 disrupted plots against
terrorists in the UK, disrupted the
route evidence collated and
convictions achieved. The way to
defeat terrorism, as declared by the
Government's strategy, is through
the rule of law.
When he said, we
should do everything we can to
destroy and eliminate that threat,
it sounds quite tough. But that is
not advocating anything illegal as
It is not, it is just the
Everything we can means
everything in the law?
It is the
impression with words like
eliminate. That is the problem. That
is perhaps with hindsight where he
is likely moderating his position.
Your position is that he was sort of
showing off and playing to the crowd
rather than advocating this?
his words yesterday was slightly
imbalanced, speaking as the
Secretary of State for Defence and
not the Home Secretary or Foreign
Secretary might have a different
What is the right policy? We
cannot kill everybody out there,
they'll not a bit of war, it is not
legal, we cannot do it, what is
We have a strategy that is
envied around the world. We are
renowned for convicting terrorists
and have convicted hundreds in the
UK. And many returning from war
zones. The best case in recent times
was a man fighting in Raqqa and he
came back into the country and was
identified and convicted with
evidence from his phone and the
postings on Facebook. So it can be
done through the rule of law. That
is our objective. The objective of
the strategy is to convicted
terrorists and that is the way to
improve confidence in the public. We
do not lower ourselves to the level
of the terrorist.
Max Hill, the
Government official, a QC and
independent review of terrorist
legislation, he has taken a softer
sounding line and say sometimes you
have the make allowances for the
young and naive. I think he feels
there is resumption for some of
those who went out there and were
brainwashed and misguided --
I think you said, we
need to provide space to divert
those returning away from the
criminal justice system. On that
point, I don't agree. I believe that
we should pursue, we have evidence
against those for terrorist offences
and it should be pursued through the
court. It is for a judge to decide
about leniency or sentencing and not
the police and intelligence
agencies, it is their job to gather
intelligence and evidence and
convicted terrorist through the rule
He would put them all
through the courts first and then if
a judge feels there is hope of
This is not possession
of cannabis, it is terrorist
offences. I do not distinguish
between the morgue serious offences
and the lesser offences within the
terrorism portfolio -- the more
serious. I don't believe there is
discretion to say we should divert,
if there is evidence, I fancy should
be prosecuted and convicted. There
is plenty of time to be
rehabilitated in young offenders
institutes and in prisons and have
energy into that and I believe in
rebuild attention of offenders, but
we should not exercise discretion if
there is evidence of offences, we
should prosecute. That is the
position of the British Government
and the strategy of the British
Government in terms of fighting
terrorism and we pursued it for many
years. It is sensible and we should
continue pursuing it.
much indeed. Brexit now.
For people working in TV,
the phrase "regional opt-out" is how
you refer to the bit where the local
news comes on, after
the national bulletin.
But maybe it has a Brexit
For example, the fishing industry
has asked for the Humber ports
to have a special free-trade status.
We've seen Nicola Sturgeon suggest
Scotland should have a national
opt-out from any hard UK Brexit.
The Mayor of London wants something
similar, and has already toyed
with the suggestion of a special
London immigration policy.
Can this work?
Can we have a "pick-and-choose"
Brexit, treating different parts
of the UK differently?
Well, as the big diplomacy
continues, our business editor -
Helen Thomas - has been in Newquay
in Cornwall, which has particular
worries about how its farms may be
affected by restrictions
on migration, and which
wants a special deal.
As the UK prepares to put clear
water between us and the EU,
what should come next?
The end of free movement means
the end of easy access
to European workers.
Could that leave some parts
of the country feeling rather empty?
It may look quiet but, actually,
Cornwall's economy relies on migrant
workers year-round -
in big sectors like food
and tourism and in care.
Then there's the seasonal workforce.
The vast majority of workers
on fruit and flower farms
round here come from the EU.
It's why the county's asking
for special regional concession.
We think that Cornwall
knows Cornwall best.
But certainly, in this area,
Cornwall's traditional industries
could be devastated at the stroke
of a pen if we don't get the right
sort of deal coming out of Brexit.
And that's my real fear.
The Headland Hotel opened
for business in 1900.
It's played host to royalty,
the RAF in World War II,
and now to some of the four million
visitors to Cornwall each year.
About 40% of its staff come
from the EU, but finding them
and holding onto them
is getting harder.
Often, our teams have friends
and have family that
would like to come over
and improve their lives really.
They almost recruit each other.
But we have, in the last sort
of three or four months,
seen very much a downturn in that.
Or we've seen what would be EU staff
go home, instead of it just
being for Christmas or just
being for a family
occasion, a wedding.
They've just decided
not to come back.
Serving up local produce
is a source of Cornish pride.
Food, agriculture and fisheries
account for about a third
of the county's employment.
Other countries, like Canada,
use regional visas to help attract
workers to less populated places.
A similar system here is something
that could prove more flexible
and tailored than the alternatives.
We're saying a place-based scheme -
recognising either Cornwall
or the South-West as a whole -
would be a far better way than doing
it, than trying to do
it sector by sector.
I think it gets very difficult
if you try and pigeonhole different
industries into areas
and into perhaps months
of the year, and it just simply
doesn't work like that.
Get one crop out of them,
then throw the whole lot away...
Jeremy Best owns this
In summer, workers from
the Czech Republic pick fruit here,
some returning year after year.
The UK doesn't have a visa scheme
for unskilled workers,
and it's a description
he objects to.
You try and do the hand-eye
coordination to pick several kilos
per minute, you know.
Literally going very,
very hard at it.
You try and do that
for nine hours a day.
That's called motivation
and that's a skill.
The other side of it is, these
people get on an aeroplane to come
here, so they want to come here.
In other words, I really don't want
a group of people working for me
who don't want to work here.
Over the nation, there
are about 85,000 people coming
from other EU countries
to work here.
Are we are going to find those
85,000 people from the local
population, from other parts
of Britain, when we've only
got 4% unemployment?
I don't think so.
Of course, Cornwall isn't alone
in wanting a home-grown deal.
London and Scotland both
want to take control
of their own visa system.
And places like the North East
are also considering if thresholds
and definitions set in Westminster
will really fit their local economy.
To get a skilled worker
visa currently requires
a salary of about £30,000.
The average salary
in Cornwall is 17,500.
Cornish strawberries, Cornish cream.
Smaller businesses are less likely
to employ overseas workers,
and some like to be local.
I think we've always had
plenty of people to work.
Erm, foreign people coming in.
We've had two girls
at one time with us.
They were marvellous.
But we've got marvellous
staff in the kitchen now
and they're all local.
So I don't see a problem at all.
No, they're very
And they really enjoy it.
Others do think Cornwall's economy
has particular needs,
but would prefer a different
solution - one drawn up 230 miles
away, in Westminster.
I would prefer to see some sector
deals done that are national,
but very specific to the different
sectors of our economy.
I think we can make
Cornwall's case within that.
And the minute we start breaking
the country up and every different
region wanting its own bespoke
scheme on immigration,
I think it will become far too
complex and then potentially more
open to abuse.
Cornwall voted to leave the EU but,
Leave or Remain, everyone
still wants a system that works.
I think we have an urban-based
government, we're a very rural
county, and I don't think the two
match up very well.
So maybe we will be put
on the backwater a little bit
and the MPs will only see us two
weeks a year when they go to Rock
on their summer holiday.
The trouble is, every sector, every
region thinks it has a special case.
Talks in Brussels aren't the only
complex negotiations ahead.
Tomorrow, the Parliamentary
and Health Service Ombudsman
will publish a report
into the treatment at the hands
of the NHS of a 19-year-old
woman back in 2012.
Averil Hart was suffering from
anorexia and was very underweight.
She had spent almost
a year as an in-patient
in an Eating Disorders Unit,
but had been discharged,
as she was about to go to college.
And then, five years ago today,
she collapsed in her room
at university, just as she was due
to undergo a medical review.
She died eight days later.
Her father, Nic, tonight told
us about his daughter.
Well, Averil was
an amazing daughter.
Wonderful person to be around.
She was really outgoing.
Erm, loved sports,
but loved literature.
And, erm, just a good,
fun girl to have in the family.
And, as parents, we were incredibly
proud of her and loved her to bits.
Nic Ward there.
He levelled a complaint against four
different NHS organisations,
for the way they had cared
or treated for Averil right
to the very end of her life,
and tomorrow's report is the result.
It's expected to find that
all those organisations did
fail her in some way
and that her death was avoidable.
And that adult eating disorders
should be treated as thoroughly
as adolescent problems are.
I'm joined by the author and mental
health campaigner Hope Virgo,
graduate Lucy Pearce,
and Joanna Silver -
Lead Therapist for Eating Disorders
at Nightingale Hospital.
Good evening. Joanne, just explain
what anorexia is.
Anorexia is a
mental health illness and patients
with anorexia will restrict their
eating and maintain a lower than
So it has a physical
manifestation, but it should
entirely be seen as a mental health
Absolutely, while on the
surface anorexia looks about food,
it is a way of expressing or
avoiding feelings. It is a very
serious illness that can have very
How common is it
in a different age groups, what is
the difference between adult
incidences and teenage or younger?
It is primarily found within
teenagers and younger adults. But it
is much more common in adults and
even older adults than perhaps one
You have both been dealing
with or have dealt with this. Tell
us a little about your experience.
Lucy, you'll started before you were
I started suffering from
anorexia when I was about 11. It was
not diagnosed or dealt with until
13. And then I received some
treatment until about 15, 16. But
treatment is trailed off and was
never really followed up and was not
as helpful as I found it could have
been and I recovered when I was
It was really your entire
teenage years absorbed with that.
How about you?
I developed it when I
was around 13 and I live with it
until 17. I hid it from friends,
family, everyone. You hit it for
that time? I don't think people
really understood anorexia when I
You must have been
losing DUP three, did people say you
are looking too thin?
my body weight but I got good at
hiding it and I would cause scenes
at family eating times to avoid
eating. When I was 17, I was
admitted to a mental health hospital
because my heart nearly stopped and
I spent a year getting intensive.
You have had an experience of it as
an adult, because you are in your
Yes, about a year and a
half ago I relapsed again. My
grandma passed away and I found it
difficult to deal with the grief and
the emotion that came with it and my
way of coping with it, for some
reason I went back to that anorexia
but the most frustrating thing was
that I knew what was happening and I
knew that I could get really sick
again and it would be easy to but I
didn't want to. So I referred myself
to the mental health hospital where
I live in Wandsworth but I wasn't
under way so I got sent away and had
to kind of deal with it on my own.
And the adult experience, apart from
the treatment which we will come to,
the feeling of anorexia as a young
adult, the same as a teenager or
does it manifest in a different way
I think it's similar. I
think what I found frustrating for
me is when people look at anorexics,
they assume they will be really,
really skinny, bony, but you can
have an eating disorder and not be
really underweight. You have that
anorexic mindset and that is just as
dangerous for you as being really
Lucy, can you do anything to
explain to people, because most
people are not anorexic, so it's
very difficult to explain what the
mindset is. Is it possible to
I guess it would be the
same kind of thing, almost trying to
control your emotions through the
way you eat. For me, it was very
much controlling my life through
controlling my food, when I couldn't
control anything else around me. You
get into a strict mindset where you
think about yourself and it's
completely different to how
everybody else views you and what
everybody else sees but you don't
really be that. It's also about
lying to people about it, keeping it
hidden from other people and you
almost keep it hidden from yourself
as well without realising, I think,
because you don't admit it to
Joanna, why do we think,
clearly a lot of teenagers recover
from it in adulthood. What is
difference between those who have it
in teenager had and those who
outgrow it, for want of a better
I think something important
to emphasise his early intervention.
Someone with an eating disorder for
a long time and become harder to
treat as the disease becomes more
entrenched. I think early
intervention is really important and
also openness. People who have had
support, people asking them how they
are doing. Not just... Obviously
weight is vital to focus on and we
must think about the risk, but it
can't just be about their weight, it
must be about what is going on for
this person at this moment in time.
So support can be the difference
between recovering earlier and it
Hope, your experience
of adult treatment wasn't
It was appalling.
But was it worse, is it appalling
for teenagers as well or would you
say it deteriorates?
I think it
deteriorates as you are an adult. I
think there's potentially less money
going into it and people don't
understand it as much. I think often
with eating disorders people think
it's a phase you go through and that
you should just eat and it's not as
easy as that. As an adult, I think
people don't have as much time for
you if you have an eating disorder.
They know teenagers go through
things and they expect you to sort
it out as an adult? What is the
therapy that works, particularly for
In terms of therapy, the
therapy we tend to use is cognitive
behaviour therapy for eating
disorders. That would be looking at
a person's relationship with food
and also what might be underlying
the eating disorder. Also, looking
at the family can be very important
and there is more and more, at the
moment, about involving carers in
treatment and thinking about how
carers can be supportive and helpful
in helping the sufferer recover.
of you, we have this report coming
out tomorrow which appears to show
the adult treatment is not good
enough and not on a par with
adolescent treatment. What does the
NHS need to do to change? Is it just
a case of more people? Doctors who
have more experience? What would you
I really think it's
the way people approach it and think
about it. I would have a different
way of people understanding it. I
found with my experience, they
didn't really seem to know what you
are going through or how to help you
or how to approach you. I think it
would be really helpful to have
specific clinics almost that are
more experienced in these things.
Yes, I think GPs may be need to be
looking for it a bit more. Eating
disorders can be very secretive.
There is a lot of shame about having
an eating disorder. Someone might
come to a GP with physical symptoms,
complaining of stomach pains and it
may actually be that an eating
disorder is going on. I think GPs
need to be on it, early
intervention, referring when
I was going to say, also,
when people leave treatment at 18,
there is a bit of a dip. I didn't
get support when I left hospital and
I had been promised it as an
outpatient in adult services and
there needs to be something going
A seamless transition. Thank you
all for sharing your stories.
For details of organisations
which offer advice and support
with eating disorders,
go online to bbc.co.uk/actionline.
The EU may have told Britain
that it is no longer eligible
to have a European Capital
of Culture after Brexit,
but we can still have our own
UK City of Culture -
and, tonight, the 2021
city was announced.
Hull enjoys the title at the moment,
but on the One Show this evening,
we heard who shall be taking over.
And the winner is...
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
Four other cities
were in the running,
so commiserations to Swansea,
Sunderland and Paisley -
which I think is, strictly
speaking, a town.
But let's not focus
on the runners-up.
Pauline Black, author and lead
singer of the band the selector
backed her city's bid. Do you think
this is a big night for Coventry?
is a superb night for Coventry. I
was there in 2015, talking to people
really early on and David Burbage
was one of the people at the
forefront of getting this whole
thing together and tonight to be at
the Belgrade Theatre here in
Coventry and just, you know, that
wonderful role when it came up that
we had won the bid was tremendous.
Is everybody in Coventry on board or
is it a small clique of those who
have applied? How big a deal is this
for the normal person?
Well, it is
very cold at the moment here in
Coventry. I am down by the cathedral
and it's pretty deserted at the
moment. But definitely people have
been out celebrating in pubs and
places, out on the street, and just
generally everyone turns up and
congratulate each other and things
like this. So I think it's something
which will grow. There's always an
element of people who are quite
suspicious about these things, they
think, what's it going to default
me? But I think this is something
everybody can get on board with.
I've been to hold quite recently and
seen what happened there and I think
something very, very similar can
happen in Coventry. There are so
many good things that happen in
Coventry anyway, quite apart from
Give us an example.
We have one of the largest free
family festivals with huge bounce
coming here every year, the Godiva
Festival, for one thing. Across the
city, always, there is so much
diversity here. People getting
involved in other peoples cultures,
things like this. That's what it's
all about. It's not just the UK City
of Culture these days, I consider it
the UK city of multiculturalism and
Coventry is the bearer of that sign.
I suppose in cultural terms, what is
this about? Taking a city that has
great culture and rewarding mat or
trying to promote culture in a city
that needs more? Does Coventry need
more culture? Is that what is about?
No, I think it's about promoting
what we do have two the rest of the
country and the rest of the world.
It's something which is intrinsic to
Coventry but people don't know about
it. This old adage of being sent to
Coventry. Now you can get sent to
Coventry and really feel you are
going to be involved in something
and people will see things.
talus what success feels like. If
this goes well, how will we know?
What will it look like?
I think we
will know it has gone well when we
have inward investment, that is
certainly part of it, of businesses.
Money coming into the city to fund
other projects, young people's
projects in particular. That is what
I'm the greatest fan of. And also
the whole kind of history that
Coventry has of reinvention, of
reconciliation, of peace, all of
those kinds of things. I mean, I am
standing in front of one of the
greatest symbols Coventry, I guess,
the Coventry Cathedral, which was
bombed during the Second World War
and there's the old and they knew
and if anything embodies Coventry
and the Coventry spirit, I consider
it to be that.
You have sold it
well. Pauline, good luck and
Thanks very much.
Thank you very much.
That's about it from us,
but before we go, we've just been
talking about Coventry's artistic
and cultural legacy,
now let's actually hear it.
Here's Coventry's The Specials,
with Ghost Town -
which Coventry obviously now isn't!
# This town, is coming
like a ghost town
# All the clubs have been
# This place, is coming
like a ghost town
# Bands won't play no more
# Too much fighting
on the dance floor
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