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It seems the pieces may be
falling into place tonight. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Could a deal soon be done and then
Britain move to phase two | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
of the Brexit talks? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
The big names in Brussels
are getting ready | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
for something to emerge
at first light tomorrow. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Is the PM really poised to crack
the Irish border conundrum? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:30 | |
Meet Gavin Williamson,
the new Defence Secretary. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
He says we should kill British
jihadis who are overseas. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Was he grandstanding or advocating
that we break the law? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
We'll hear what exactly the law is,
and how best to deal | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
with former IS fighters. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:50 | |
Also tonight... | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
Just a good fun girl to have in the
party and as parents, we are | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
incredibly proud of her. -- to have
in the family, and as parents, we | 0:01:00 | 0:01:08 | |
are incredibly proud of her. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:17 | |
Anorexia took
his daughter's life. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:18 | |
Are adult sufferers of this
serious mental illness | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
being failed by the system? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
Hello. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
We'll start tonight
with the latest on Brexit, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
and although there is no deal
to report - no crossing | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
of a threshold into phase
two of the talks yet - | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
there has been a sudden flurry
of optimistic comments, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
and the organising of a possible
dash to Brussels by | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
the Prime Minister, maybe
early, early tomorrow. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
That would be a choreographed
announcement. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
To be honest, the problem of sorting
out the Irish border | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
issue had looked huge -
and with the deadline of Sunday, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
it seems remarkable that we may get
a deal in the morning, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
with time to spare. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
But then again, we may not! | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Well, Nick Watt, our political
editor is here with me. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
Nick, I don't think we'd expected
this, had we? Suddenly Reuters | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
started talking about... Well, a
month ago, I was told by people that | 0:01:58 | 0:02:06 | |
this Friday was the unofficial
deadline because after this Friday | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
it is very difficult to make
substantive changes to European | 0:02:09 | 0:02:15 | |
Council draft conclusions. Progress
has been made today. I am told it | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
has been a decent day in comparison
to yesterday which was described as | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
a holding pattern. So the Prime
Minister has talking to the | 0:02:24 | 0:02:30 | |
Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, and
discussions have taken place through | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
the normal channels and I am told it
is not impossible that the Prime | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
Minister could make an early morning
visit to Brussels tomorrow morning | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
to stand alongside the president of
the European Council, Donald Tusk, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
because of course he is in the
decision-making and it is up to the | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
European Council to decide if we
move onto the next stage. The | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
message is that we are making
progress but we're not quite there. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Talks are continuing through the
night and for the Prime Minister, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
the most crucial talk she's got to
have tonight is with Arlene Foster, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
DUP leader. What is conspicuous,
this has all come out, I haven't | 0:03:07 | 0:03:15 | |
heard anything about how they have
resolved this. Any indication of | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
what they have done? I think what we
are looking at is Leo Varadkar was | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
very clear that the wording that was
there on Monday has to but you can | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
have additional wording and what
that has got to do for the DUP is | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
make absolutely clear that Northern
Ireland is fully and completely | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
integrated with the rest of the
United Kingdom. Now, their strategy | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
this week, because we have MPs
talking about how it is a toxic | 0:03:42 | 0:03:52 | |
document, they want to make a Prime
Minister sweat. I have been speaking | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
to DUP sources. They say we're not
there yet, talking about how they | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
are moving slowly, surely, carefully
but crucially confidently and | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
interestingly talk of Donald Tusk
speaking tomorrow morning has put a | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
shot in the arm because they say
they like positive momentum. I dare | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
say it will be on our programme
tomorrow evening but stay there | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
because you are helping with the
next item well. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Gavin Williamson is not the best
known cabinet minster - | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
he only moved into his job
as Defence Secretary five weeks ago. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Here he is - a Remainer,
the most striking thing | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
about his appointment was just how
unpopular it appeared to be | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
among many of his colleagues,
who felt he was promoted too | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
far too young. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
So he has a lot to prove. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
And it's thus, perhaps,
no surprise he's been | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
trying to prove himself. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
This week, he vowed
to save two heroic army dogs | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
from being put down. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
And today, he was in the Daily Mail,
pledging to be tough | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
on British Jihadists returning
from fighting with | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
so-called Islamic State. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
He implied that Britain would search
out and kill the fighters. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Populist stuff. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
But what did he mean? | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
Often there's less to these
kinds of pronouncements | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
than meets the eye. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Did he mean that we should break
the law and shoot to kill? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Or was he was just trying to sound
tough while making no | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
change in policy at all? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Certainly, there was a hint of
backtracking in later TV interviews; | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
with a stress on continuity. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
Whether it's with Daesh, al-Qaeda,
operating in foreign fields, we need | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
to deal with that,
we are dealing with that. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
We have been over the last few years
continually tackling | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
the terrorist threat. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
We'll continue to do
that going forward. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
So has Mr Williamson said
something significant, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
and is there more we should be doing
to stop or even kill | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
British fighters abroad? | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
We did ask him onto the programme
but he was not available. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
But with the politics of this,
Nick Watt, our political | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
editor is still with me. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
What did you make of that Daily Mail
interview? Well, I spoke to one | 0:05:48 | 0:05:54 | |
senior MoD source who said there was
shot in the MoD when they saw these | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
comments this morning. One said to
me that this sounded like shoot to | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
kill which is taking yourself
outside of the law. They said to me | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
that when you are an international
rules -based country you don't get | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
down to the same level as the
terrorists. There was real anger and | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
concern at what was being said and
some criticism of Karen Williamson | 0:06:14 | 0:06:21 | |
-- of Gavin Williamson, a new
Defence Secretary, clearly has | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
leadership ambitions, and he is
clearly burnishing them. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:31 | |
Interestingly in Downing Street they
don't seem too concerned. I think | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Gavin Williamson was talking about
targeting terrorists in the theatre | 0:06:33 | 0:06:40 | |
of war where the UK is involved in
air strikes and they are saying when | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
it is the theatre of war the rules
are less stringent than when David | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
Cameron had to give very stringent
rules to air strikes, particularly | 0:06:50 | 0:06:57 | |
in 2015. Let's dwell on that the
Lytton -- dwell on that a little. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:12 | |
Newsnight understands
that back in the 2000s, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
when UKL forces were active
in Helmand Province in Afghanistan, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
and it would have been helpful
to make drone strikes in Pakistan | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
at the time, but the advice was that
that was not lawful. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
So let's get a legal take now
from the human rights | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
lawyer, Fahad Ansari. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
Good evening. What is the difference
between a dream strike aiming to | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
kill somebody that is legal and one
that is illegal? -- a drone strike? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
We live in a democracy with a rule
of law and we do not have the death | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
penalty in this country. Everybody,
no matter what the allegation | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
against them, is entitled to a fair
trial. Now that context, for any | 0:07:41 | 0:07:48 | |
action to take place, whether it is
by Ed drone, an air strike, what | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
ever it is, it is unlawful because
you was a merrily executing someone. | 0:07:53 | 0:08:07 | |
Yes, but we know not every drone
strike out in Syria is unlawful. It | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
all depends on whether the UK is
involved in armed conflict in Syria. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:19 | |
Let's assume that de facto we are.
We are allowed to drone strike | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
people in Syria because it is a
theatre of war? Not exactly. The | 0:08:24 | 0:08:30 | |
threat has to be imminent. Even if
you are engaged in war, if Syria and | 0:08:30 | 0:08:37 | |
the UK are at war, who are you at
war with? On whose authority are you | 0:08:37 | 0:08:43 | |
flying your aeroplanes into Syria? I
don't want to get into the legality | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
of the Syria action at the moment.
You mentioned Syria. Because that is | 0:08:48 | 0:08:55 | |
where our strikes have been. If you
are in the theatre of war, you can | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
drone strike in the theatre of war?
When you drop this drone, how can | 0:09:00 | 0:09:11 | |
you guarantee it won't kill someone
else in the vicinity? I'll give you | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
an example, a British citizen was
killed in an American drone strike a | 0:09:15 | 0:09:21 | |
few months ago. Sally Jones. Do you
know who was killed with her? Her | 0:09:21 | 0:09:27 | |
12-year-old son. What was his crime?
But you are not going to argue that | 0:09:27 | 0:09:36 | |
all drone strikes are illegal?
Unfortunately, the way the Defence | 0:09:36 | 0:09:43 | |
Secretary has pitched this, he
didn't specify the theatre of war, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
he didn't specify who he was
targeting. He just said a dead | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
terrorist couldn't argue. He does he
define as a terrorist? Assumedly he | 0:09:51 | 0:09:57 | |
is talking about IS at the moment.
The reality is that the British and | 0:09:57 | 0:10:07 | |
has already executed two of its
citizens within Syria. We will hear | 0:10:07 | 0:10:15 | |
more about that now. Fahad, thank
you. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
So, how big is the problem
with so-called IS fighters trying | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
to return to the UK -
and how are they being dealt with? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Here's Mike Thomson. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
The first British to Hadi in Syria
to be hunted down -- British jihadi | 0:10:26 | 0:10:32 | |
in Syria to be hunted down, in this
case by an RAF drone was Reyaad | 0:10:32 | 0:10:48 | |
Khan. The next to die was June eight
Hussein. The next to die was the man | 0:10:48 | 0:10:58 | |
known as jihadi John, hit by another
drone strike. And in July this year, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:05 | |
Sally Ann Jones was reportedly
killed by yet another drone strike, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:11 | |
reportedly with her 12-year-old son.
Those targeted were in a war zone | 0:11:11 | 0:11:24 | |
and considered a threat to the UK
but according to Russia, all foreign | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
fighters have now fled. The
territory of Syria has been | 0:11:30 | 0:11:37 | |
completely liberated from fighters
of this terrorist organisation. But | 0:11:37 | 0:11:44 | |
could 40,000 would-be jihadists from
more than 100 countries really have | 0:11:44 | 0:11:51 | |
vanished so quickly? Whatever the
case, some have little sympathy for | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
those targeted up until now. British
courts have tended latterly to take | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
the bee that anybody who goes
overseas and receives military | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
training from a group like Al-Qaeda
or Islamic State is, by definition, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
guilty of terrorism. Well, those who
are engaged in combat operations | 0:12:09 | 0:12:16 | |
are, I think, legitimately
vulnerable to military attacks and | 0:12:16 | 0:12:24 | |
we have seen cases where that has
happened. In some cases, targeted | 0:12:24 | 0:12:31 | |
attacks where the individual
concerned is deemed to present a | 0:12:31 | 0:12:38 | |
clear and present danger to the
United Kingdom. This makes difficult | 0:12:38 | 0:12:48 | |
listening for the parents of... He
is now a captive of Kurdish fighters | 0:12:48 | 0:13:00 | |
after leaving work earlier this
year. In my personal case, obviously | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
my own son, is he on this list? Is
Gavin Williams hunting down, is he | 0:13:05 | 0:13:11 | |
going to order SAS squads to hunt
down and kill my only son? I would | 0:13:11 | 0:13:17 | |
like him to have a trial. I would
like him to stand up and account for | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
what he has done and to be grilled
and any evidence there is against | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
him should be brought up and if he
has done anything wrong, he should | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
pay the price, but not to be killed
by an assassin, which sounds like | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
what he is advocating. Defence
Secretary Gavin Williamson has not | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
said people would be targeted
outside of Syria and Iraq but the | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
assertion that a dead terrorist
can't cause any harm makes some fear | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
that this could be possible. Jack
bowls-mac Barber is one. Are they | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
going to be hunting down the jihadi
's who have returned to the UK? Well | 0:13:53 | 0:14:00 | |
they hunt down people in Leicester,
Manchester and Birmingham, because | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
they say their 400 returned. Are
they going to liquidate them as | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
well? Given that many Britons lost
or destroyed their passports when | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
they were there, proving they were
even there, never mind if they were | 0:14:13 | 0:14:20 | |
jihadi is, will not be easy. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Richard Walton was the head
of the Met Police's counter | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
terrorism command from 2011 to 2015
and he's here with me now. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
Do you think Gavin Williamson
changed policy this morning, or was | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
he kind of just sounding like he
changed policy? It certainly sounds | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
it. He certainly sounded more
balanced today and with hindsight, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
looking back. Alan stuffed words and
more balanced than he was yesterday. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:51 | |
Cashmore balanced afterwards. You
must never give the impression or | 0:14:51 | 0:14:57 | |
implied that killing terrorists is a
first result, that is not the | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
strategy of the British Government.
We fight terrorism through the rule | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
of law, whether that's true
international law in the context of | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
war, or outside that zone. And as
their agreement on that? Does the | 0:15:09 | 0:15:16 | |
law just get in the way, is it human
rights nonsense, it is or has | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
everybody signed up to the idea and
has to stick to it? It has been for | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
many decades and it is something the
British system has learnt over | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
decades, painfully sometimes the
Phillies in the past. If you look in | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
the last four years, there have been
22 disrupted plots against | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
terrorists in the UK, disrupted the
route evidence collated and | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
convictions achieved. The way to
defeat terrorism, as declared by the | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
Government's strategy, is through
the rule of law. When he said, we | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
should do everything we can to
destroy and eliminate that threat, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
it sounds quite tough. But that is
not advocating anything illegal as | 0:15:55 | 0:16:02 | |
such? It is not, it is just the
language. Everything we can means | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
everything in the law? It is the
impression with words like | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
eliminate. That is the problem. That
is perhaps with hindsight where he | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
is likely moderating his position.
Your position is that he was sort of | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
showing off and playing to the crowd
rather than advocating this? I think | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
his words yesterday was slightly
imbalanced, speaking as the | 0:16:24 | 0:16:29 | |
Secretary of State for Defence and
not the Home Secretary or Foreign | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Secretary might have a different
view. What is the right policy? We | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
cannot kill everybody out there,
they'll not a bit of war, it is not | 0:16:37 | 0:16:43 | |
legal, we cannot do it, what is
correct? We have a strategy that is | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
envied around the world. We are
renowned for convicting terrorists | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
and have convicted hundreds in the
UK. And many returning from war | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
zones. The best case in recent times
was a man fighting in Raqqa and he | 0:16:55 | 0:17:03 | |
came back into the country and was
identified and convicted with | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
evidence from his phone and the
postings on Facebook. So it can be | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
done through the rule of law. That
is our objective. The objective of | 0:17:11 | 0:17:17 | |
the strategy is to convicted
terrorists and that is the way to | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
improve confidence in the public. We
do not lower ourselves to the level | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
of the terrorist. Max Hill, the
Government official, a QC and | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
independent review of terrorist
legislation, he has taken a softer | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
sounding line and say sometimes you
have the make allowances for the | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
young and naive. I think he feels
there is resumption for some of | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
those who went out there and were
brainwashed and misguided -- | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
redemption. I think you said, we
need to provide space to divert | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
those returning away from the
criminal justice system. On that | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
point, I don't agree. I believe that
we should pursue, we have evidence | 0:17:55 | 0:18:03 | |
against those for terrorist offences
and it should be pursued through the | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
court. It is for a judge to decide
about leniency or sentencing and not | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
the police and intelligence
agencies, it is their job to gather | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
intelligence and evidence and
convicted terrorist through the rule | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
of law. He would put them all
through the courts first and then if | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
a judge feels there is hope of
redemption... This is not possession | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
of cannabis, it is terrorist
offences. I do not distinguish | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
between the morgue serious offences
and the lesser offences within the | 0:18:28 | 0:18:38 | |
terrorism portfolio -- the more
serious. I don't believe there is | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
discretion to say we should divert,
if there is evidence, I fancy should | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
be prosecuted and convicted. There
is plenty of time to be | 0:18:48 | 0:18:54 | |
rehabilitated in young offenders
institutes and in prisons and have | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
energy into that and I believe in
rebuild attention of offenders, but | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
we should not exercise discretion if
there is evidence of offences, we | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
should prosecute. That is the
position of the British Government | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
and the strategy of the British
Government in terms of fighting | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
terrorism and we pursued it for many
years. It is sensible and we should | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
continue pursuing it. Thanks very
much indeed. Brexit now. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:24 | |
For people working in TV,
the phrase "regional opt-out" is how | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
you refer to the bit where the local
news comes on, after | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
the national bulletin. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
But maybe it has a Brexit
connotation too. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
For example, the fishing industry
has asked for the Humber ports | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
to have a special free-trade status. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
We've seen Nicola Sturgeon suggest
Scotland should have a national | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
opt-out from any hard UK Brexit. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
The Mayor of London wants something
similar, and has already toyed | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
with the suggestion of a special
London immigration policy. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
Can this work? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
Can we have a "pick-and-choose"
Brexit, treating different parts | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
of the UK differently? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Well, as the big diplomacy
continues, our business editor - | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
Helen Thomas - has been in Newquay
in Cornwall, which has particular | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
worries about how its farms may be
affected by restrictions | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
on migration, and which
wants a special deal. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
As the UK prepares to put clear
water between us and the EU, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
what should come next? | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
The end of free movement means
the end of easy access | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
to European workers. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Could that leave some parts
of the country feeling rather empty? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
It may look quiet but, actually,
Cornwall's economy relies on migrant | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
workers year-round -
in big sectors like food | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
and tourism and in care. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
Then there's the seasonal workforce. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
The vast majority of workers
on fruit and flower farms | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
round here come from the EU. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
It's why the county's asking
for special regional concession. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
We think that Cornwall
knows Cornwall best. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
But certainly, in this area,
Cornwall's traditional industries | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
could be devastated at the stroke
of a pen if we don't get the right | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
sort of deal coming out of Brexit. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
And that's my real fear. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
The Headland Hotel opened
for business in 1900. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
It's played host to royalty,
the RAF in World War II, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
and now to some of the four million
visitors to Cornwall each year. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:19 | |
About 40% of its staff come
from the EU, but finding them | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
and holding onto them
is getting harder. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:32 | |
Often, our teams have friends
and have family that | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
would like to come over
and improve their lives really. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
They almost recruit each other. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
But we have, in the last sort
of three or four months, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
seen very much a downturn in that. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
Or we've seen what would be EU staff
go home, instead of it just | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
being for Christmas or just
being for a family | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
occasion, a wedding. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
They've just decided
not to come back. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
Serving up local produce
is a source of Cornish pride. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
Food, agriculture and fisheries
account for about a third | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
of the county's employment. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:09 | |
Other countries, like Canada,
use regional visas to help attract | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
workers to less populated places. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:20 | |
A similar system here is something
that could prove more flexible | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
and tailored than the alternatives. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
We're saying a place-based scheme -
recognising either Cornwall | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
or the South-West as a whole -
would be a far better way than doing | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
it, than trying to do
it sector by sector. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
I think it gets very difficult
if you try and pigeonhole different | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
industries into areas
and into perhaps months | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
of the year, and it just simply
doesn't work like that. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
Get one crop out of them,
then throw the whole lot away... | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
Jeremy Best owns this
strawberry farm. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
In summer, workers from
the Czech Republic pick fruit here, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
some returning year after year. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
The UK doesn't have a visa scheme
for unskilled workers, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
and it's a description
he objects to. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
You try and do the hand-eye
coordination to pick several kilos | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
per minute, you know. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
Literally going very,
very hard at it. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
You try and do that
for nine hours a day. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
That's called motivation
and that's a skill. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
The other side of it is, these
people get on an aeroplane to come | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
here, so they want to come here. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
In other words, I really don't want
a group of people working for me | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
who don't want to work here. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Over the nation, there
are about 85,000 people coming | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
from other EU countries
to work here. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:29 | |
Are we are going to find those
85,000 people from the local | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
population, from other parts
of Britain, when we've only | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
got 4% unemployment? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
I don't think so. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
Of course, Cornwall isn't alone
in wanting a home-grown deal. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
London and Scotland both
want to take control | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
of their own visa system. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
And places like the North East
are also considering if thresholds | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
and definitions set in Westminster
will really fit their local economy. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
To get a skilled worker
visa currently requires | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
a salary of about £30,000. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
The average salary
in Cornwall is 17,500. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:03 | |
Cornish hospitality,
Cornish strawberries, Cornish cream. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:15 | |
Smaller businesses are less likely
to employ overseas workers, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
and some like to be local. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
I think we've always had
plenty of people to work. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
Erm, foreign people coming in. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
We've had two girls
at one time with us. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
They were marvellous. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
But we've got marvellous
staff in the kitchen now | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
and they're all local. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
So I don't see a problem at all. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
No, they're very
hard-working, conscientious. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
Yes. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
And they really enjoy it. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
Others do think Cornwall's economy
has particular needs, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
but would prefer a different
solution - one drawn up 230 miles | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
away, in Westminster. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
I would prefer to see some sector
deals done that are national, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
but very specific to the different
sectors of our economy. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
I think we can make
Cornwall's case within that. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
And the minute we start breaking
the country up and every different | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
region wanting its own bespoke
scheme on immigration, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
I think it will become far too
complex and then potentially more | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
open to abuse. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Cornwall voted to leave the EU but,
Leave or Remain, everyone | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
still wants a system that works. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
I think we have an urban-based
government, we're a very rural | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
county, and I don't think the two
match up very well. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:35 | |
So maybe we will be put
on the backwater a little bit | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
and the MPs will only see us two
weeks a year when they go to Rock | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
on their summer holiday. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
The trouble is, every sector, every
region thinks it has a special case. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:50 | |
Talks in Brussels aren't the only
complex negotiations ahead. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:58 | |
Helen Thomas. | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
Helen Thomas. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:00 | |
Tomorrow, the Parliamentary
and Health Service Ombudsman | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
will publish a report
into the treatment at the hands | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
of the NHS of a 19-year-old
woman back in 2012. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Averil Hart was suffering from
anorexia and was very underweight. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
She had spent almost
a year as an in-patient | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
in an Eating Disorders Unit,
but had been discharged, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
as she was about to go to college. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
And then, five years ago today,
she collapsed in her room | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
at university, just as she was due
to undergo a medical review. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
She died eight days later. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:33 | |
Her father, Nic, tonight told
us about his daughter. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
Well, Averil was
an amazing daughter. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
Wonderful person to be around. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:41 | |
She was really outgoing. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
Erm, loved sports,
but loved literature. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:52 | |
And, erm, just a good,
fun girl to have in the family. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:58 | |
And, as parents, we were incredibly
proud of her and loved her to bits. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Nic Ward there. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
He levelled a complaint against four
different NHS organisations, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
for the way they had cared
or treated for Averil right | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
to the very end of her life,
and tomorrow's report is the result. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
It's expected to find that
all those organisations did | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
fail her in some way
and that her death was avoidable. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
And that adult eating disorders
should be treated as thoroughly | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
as adolescent problems are. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:28 | |
I'm joined by the author and mental
health campaigner Hope Virgo, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
graduate Lucy Pearce,
and Joanna Silver - | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
Lead Therapist for Eating Disorders
at Nightingale Hospital. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
Good evening. Joanne, just explain
what anorexia is. Anorexia is a | 0:27:40 | 0:27:48 | |
mental health illness and patients
with anorexia will restrict their | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
eating and maintain a lower than
normal weight. So it has a physical | 0:27:53 | 0:28:00 | |
manifestation, but it should
entirely be seen as a mental health | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
problem? Absolutely, while on the
surface anorexia looks about food, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
it is a way of expressing or
avoiding feelings. It is a very | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
serious illness that can have very
serious fracture. How common is it | 0:28:13 | 0:28:19 | |
in a different age groups, what is
the difference between adult | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
incidences and teenage or younger?
It is primarily found within | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
teenagers and younger adults. But it
is much more common in adults and | 0:28:27 | 0:28:34 | |
even older adults than perhaps one
realises. You have both been dealing | 0:28:34 | 0:28:40 | |
with or have dealt with this. Tell
us a little about your experience. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
Lucy, you'll started before you were
a teenager. I started suffering from | 0:28:46 | 0:28:52 | |
anorexia when I was about 11. It was
not diagnosed or dealt with until | 0:28:52 | 0:28:58 | |
13. And then I received some
treatment until about 15, 16. But | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
treatment is trailed off and was
never really followed up and was not | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
as helpful as I found it could have
been and I recovered when I was | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
about 19. It was really your entire
teenage years absorbed with that. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
How about you? I developed it when I
was around 13 and I live with it | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
until 17. I hid it from friends,
family, everyone. You hit it for | 0:29:19 | 0:29:26 | |
that time? I don't think people
really understood anorexia when I | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
was younger. You must have been
losing DUP three, did people say you | 0:29:29 | 0:29:35 | |
are looking too thin? People notice
my body weight but I got good at | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
hiding it and I would cause scenes
at family eating times to avoid | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
eating. When I was 17, I was
admitted to a mental health hospital | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
because my heart nearly stopped and
I spent a year getting intensive. In | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
patient. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
You have had an experience of it as
an adult, because you are in your | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
20s now? Yes, about a year and a
half ago I relapsed again. My | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
grandma passed away and I found it
difficult to deal with the grief and | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
the emotion that came with it and my
way of coping with it, for some | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
reason I went back to that anorexia
but the most frustrating thing was | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
that I knew what was happening and I
knew that I could get really sick | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
again and it would be easy to but I
didn't want to. So I referred myself | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
to the mental health hospital where
I live in Wandsworth but I wasn't | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
under way so I got sent away and had
to kind of deal with it on my own. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:37 | |
And the adult experience, apart from
the treatment which we will come to, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
the feeling of anorexia as a young
adult, the same as a teenager or | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
does it manifest in a different way
at all? I think it's similar. I | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
think what I found frustrating for
me is when people look at anorexics, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
they assume they will be really,
really skinny, bony, but you can | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
have an eating disorder and not be
really underweight. You have that | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
anorexic mindset and that is just as
dangerous for you as being really | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
skinny. Lucy, can you do anything to
explain to people, because most | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
people are not anorexic, so it's
very difficult to explain what the | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
mindset is. Is it possible to
describe? I guess it would be the | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
same kind of thing, almost trying to
control your emotions through the | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
way you eat. For me, it was very
much controlling my life through | 0:31:25 | 0:31:32 | |
controlling my food, when I couldn't
control anything else around me. You | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
get into a strict mindset where you
think about yourself and it's | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
completely different to how
everybody else views you and what | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
everybody else sees but you don't
really be that. It's also about | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
lying to people about it, keeping it
hidden from other people and you | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
almost keep it hidden from yourself
as well without realising, I think, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
because you don't admit it to
yourself. Joanna, why do we think, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
clearly a lot of teenagers recover
from it in adulthood. What is | 0:31:59 | 0:32:08 | |
difference between those who have it
in teenager had and those who | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
outgrow it, for want of a better
phrase? I think something important | 0:32:12 | 0:32:18 | |
to emphasise his early intervention.
Someone with an eating disorder for | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
a long time and become harder to
treat as the disease becomes more | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
entrenched. I think early
intervention is really important and | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
also openness. People who have had
support, people asking them how they | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
are doing. Not just... Obviously
weight is vital to focus on and we | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
must think about the risk, but it
can't just be about their weight, it | 0:32:39 | 0:32:45 | |
must be about what is going on for
this person at this moment in time. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
So support can be the difference
between recovering earlier and it | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
carrying on. Hope, your experience
of adult treatment wasn't | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
particularly... It was appalling.
But was it worse, is it appalling | 0:32:57 | 0:33:06 | |
for teenagers as well or would you
say it deteriorates? I think it | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
deteriorates as you are an adult. I
think there's potentially less money | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
going into it and people don't
understand it as much. I think often | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
with eating disorders people think
it's a phase you go through and that | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
you should just eat and it's not as
easy as that. As an adult, I think | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
people don't have as much time for
you if you have an eating disorder. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
They know teenagers go through
things and they expect you to sort | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
it out as an adult? What is the
therapy that works, particularly for | 0:33:34 | 0:33:42 | |
adults? In terms of therapy, the
therapy we tend to use is cognitive | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
behaviour therapy for eating
disorders. That would be looking at | 0:33:47 | 0:33:53 | |
a person's relationship with food
and also what might be underlying | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
the eating disorder. Also, looking
at the family can be very important | 0:33:56 | 0:34:03 | |
and there is more and more, at the
moment, about involving carers in | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
treatment and thinking about how
carers can be supportive and helpful | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
in helping the sufferer recover. All
of you, we have this report coming | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
out tomorrow which appears to show
the adult treatment is not good | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
enough and not on a par with
adolescent treatment. What does the | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
NHS need to do to change? Is it just
a case of more people? Doctors who | 0:34:25 | 0:34:31 | |
have more experience? What would you
change, Lucy? I really think it's | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
the way people approach it and think
about it. I would have a different | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
way of people understanding it. I
found with my experience, they | 0:34:40 | 0:34:46 | |
didn't really seem to know what you
are going through or how to help you | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
or how to approach you. I think it
would be really helpful to have | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
specific clinics almost that are
more experienced in these things. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
Yes, I think GPs may be need to be
looking for it a bit more. Eating | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
disorders can be very secretive.
There is a lot of shame about having | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
an eating disorder. Someone might
come to a GP with physical symptoms, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
complaining of stomach pains and it
may actually be that an eating | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
disorder is going on. I think GPs
need to be on it, early | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
intervention, referring when
necessary. I was going to say, also, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:27 | |
when people leave treatment at 18,
there is a bit of a dip. I didn't | 0:35:27 | 0:35:34 | |
get support when I left hospital and
I had been promised it as an | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
outpatient in adult services and
there needs to be something going | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
on. A seamless transition. Thank you
all for sharing your stories. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:47 | |
For details of organisations
which offer advice and support | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
with eating disorders,
go online to bbc.co.uk/actionline. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
The EU may have told Britain
that it is no longer eligible | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
to have a European Capital
of Culture after Brexit, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
but we can still have our own
UK City of Culture - | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
and, tonight, the 2021
city was announced. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Hull enjoys the title at the moment,
but on the One Show this evening, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
we heard who shall be taking over. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
And the winner is... | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Coventry! | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:36:22 | 0:36:32 | |
Four other cities
were in the running, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
so commiserations to Swansea,
Stoke-upon-Trent, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
Sunderland and Paisley -
which I think is, strictly | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
speaking, a town. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
But let's not focus
on the runners-up. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:49 | |
Pauline Black, author and lead
singer of the band the selector | 0:36:49 | 0:36:56 | |
backed her city's bid. Do you think
this is a big night for Coventry? It | 0:36:56 | 0:37:04 | |
is a superb night for Coventry. I
was there in 2015, talking to people | 0:37:04 | 0:37:12 | |
really early on and David Burbage
was one of the people at the | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
forefront of getting this whole
thing together and tonight to be at | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
the Belgrade Theatre here in
Coventry and just, you know, that | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
wonderful role when it came up that
we had won the bid was tremendous. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
Is everybody in Coventry on board or
is it a small clique of those who | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
have applied? How big a deal is this
for the normal person? Well, it is | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
very cold at the moment here in
Coventry. I am down by the cathedral | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
and it's pretty deserted at the
moment. But definitely people have | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
been out celebrating in pubs and
places, out on the street, and just | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
generally everyone turns up and
congratulate each other and things | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
like this. So I think it's something
which will grow. There's always an | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
element of people who are quite
suspicious about these things, they | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
think, what's it going to default
me? But I think this is something | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
everybody can get on board with.
I've been to hold quite recently and | 0:38:10 | 0:38:16 | |
seen what happened there and I think
something very, very similar can | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
happen in Coventry. There are so
many good things that happen in | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
Coventry anyway, quite apart from
anything else. Give us an example. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
We have one of the largest free
family festivals with huge bounce | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
coming here every year, the Godiva
Festival, for one thing. Across the | 0:38:32 | 0:38:40 | |
city, always, there is so much
diversity here. People getting | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
involved in other peoples cultures,
things like this. That's what it's | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
all about. It's not just the UK City
of Culture these days, I consider it | 0:38:48 | 0:38:55 | |
the UK city of multiculturalism and
Coventry is the bearer of that sign. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
I suppose in cultural terms, what is
this about? Taking a city that has | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
great culture and rewarding mat or
trying to promote culture in a city | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
that needs more? Does Coventry need
more culture? Is that what is about? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:18 | |
No, I think it's about promoting
what we do have two the rest of the | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
country and the rest of the world.
It's something which is intrinsic to | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
Coventry but people don't know about
it. This old adage of being sent to | 0:39:27 | 0:39:33 | |
Coventry. Now you can get sent to
Coventry and really feel you are | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
going to be involved in something
and people will see things. Pauline, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
talus what success feels like. If
this goes well, how will we know? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:47 | |
What will it look like? I think we
will know it has gone well when we | 0:39:47 | 0:39:55 | |
have inward investment, that is
certainly part of it, of businesses. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
Money coming into the city to fund
other projects, young people's | 0:40:00 | 0:40:06 | |
projects in particular. That is what
I'm the greatest fan of. And also | 0:40:06 | 0:40:12 | |
the whole kind of history that
Coventry has of reinvention, of | 0:40:12 | 0:40:18 | |
reconciliation, of peace, all of
those kinds of things. I mean, I am | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
standing in front of one of the
greatest symbols Coventry, I guess, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:28 | |
the Coventry Cathedral, which was
bombed during the Second World War | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
and there's the old and they knew
and if anything embodies Coventry | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
and the Coventry spirit, I consider
it to be that. You have sold it | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
well. Pauline, good luck and
congratulations. Thanks very much. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
That's about it from us,
but before we go, we've just been | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
talking about Coventry's artistic
and cultural legacy, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
now let's actually hear it. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
Here's Coventry's The Specials,
with Ghost Town - | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
which Coventry obviously now isn't! | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
Goodnight. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
# This town, is coming
like a ghost town | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
# All the clubs have been
closed down | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
# This place, is coming
like a ghost town | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
# Bands won't play no more | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
# Too much fighting
on the dance floor | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 |